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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2018 7:08:17 PM   
Dana Turner


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Sad day for the Vikings family. RIP Tony
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2018 7:28:04 PM   
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I don't believe it's quite the same. A player at the prime of his life losing his life because he didn't want to show weakness. That was a bitter pill to swallow.

Hopefully the response this time will be renewed dedication. How we respond to adversity is a test of character. I believe this team has a great deal of character.

A family member died.
That's kind of where it begins and ends at the present time..
How, who, why ... none of that matters right now.
It's going to be a rough start. For the line especially. Just like 2001.
I think they will get past it. I sure hope they do.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2018 10:21:08 PM   
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https://www.twincities.com/2018/07/22/vikings-offensive-line-coach-tony-sparano-dies-at-56/

The Vikings’ assistant offensive line coach is Andrew Janocko. It remains be seen if he will take over for Sparano.

“Andrew has done an amazing job,” Collins said. “He knows what he’s doing. He’s very capable of (taking over), but we’re not worried about that at all now. We’re in the grieving process now.”


BTW, per Wikipedia, Tice retired in February 2018 saying that players didn't want to be coached. Maybe the Vikings will bring him back but I doubt it, probably just promote Janocko. I think technically they'll be fine, but whether their heads will be in the game is a different thing. We'll get an idea early as playing against the Broncos and Jags D, even in the preseason, is no easy task. Something like this can either galvanize a team or cause them to go lower, we'll see which one it is. RIP Coach. I think the team overall has enough character to rise above it, it's just a question of the O-line as that was the weakest part of the team and that will determine how far we go.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2018 10:51:37 PM   
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Very sad. He seemed to be turning our line around. Giving him some real pieces like Reiff, Remmings, and Elflien can't be overstated. That is just so young! I hope it was painless, whatever happened.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2018 10:57:51 PM   
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Korey Stringer comes to mind.
NFC championship game in 2000.
5-11 in 2001.

I shed actual tears over the loss of Korey. A friend of mine was a family friend of his.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/22/2018 11:39:35 PM   
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I remember listening to people joke about Stringer's difficulty with the heat the previous day on the radio. I believe his teammates even gave him a hard time. Then he was so determined to overcome. A lot of people felt responsibility. That made it so complicated in the aftermath.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/23/2018 12:14:07 AM   
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I don't know what the history is, but I am guessing that most NFL teams that have a death this time of year, it probably leaves a black cloud over the season, and the team under performs, sorta like the black cloud after losing a Super Bowl.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/23/2018 6:35:26 AM   
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Rest in peace Coach Sparano. What an incredible life albeit well to short. A vital part of the team's success over the past couple of seasons with his passion for the game and teaching.

His leadership will be missed and his experience irreplaceable. Deepest sympathies and condolences to the Sporano family.

Art- thank you for the avatar.



The Vikings can win the Super Bowl. Sure is good to still have time to do it.

Had the pleasure of meeting folks from the site. Hope to meet more someday. Good people.

Skol.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/23/2018 6:58:20 AM   
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I don't know what the history is, but I am guessing that most NFL teams that have a death this time of year, it probably leaves a black cloud over the season, and the team under performs, sorta like the black cloud after losing a Super Bowl.


Or we could be like the Houston Astros last year after Hurricane Harvey, something where a lot of people died and devastation happened. I am sure every single player and coach was affected by that and they still won the World Series.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/23/2018 8:47:37 AM   
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If you would like to watch a classic Vikings game.

http://www.twincities.com/2018/07/22/watch-vikings-first-monday-night-football-game-from-1970/

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/23/2018 9:12:25 AM   
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Good point Mark, I like Kyle Sloter's twitter on it:

Rest In Peace Coach Sparano. I really can’t believe the news. A great coach and even better person. My condolences go out to the Sparano family. I think I speak for everyone when I say this season is for you !
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/23/2018 10:20:07 AM   
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They are professionals. Sparano's death won't cause a poor performance.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/23/2018 10:58:51 AM   
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In ‘01 after the untimely death of Korey Stringer you cannot overlook the fact that we had guys like Wasswa Serwanga, and Brad Badger getting playing time.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/23/2018 11:26:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Tony Sporano is dead at age 56. Just heard the news on KFAN.

Already the offensive line was arguably the biggest question going into the season.

OMG three years younger than me. My condolences to his family and friends and the Vikings family as well. Horrific news.


Wait.. you just had a baby at 59?! Tip of the cap to you.

Thanks.

I think you're nuts.

I had two kids now in my 40s and I am so totally exhausted. Good Luck with that.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/23/2018 11:32:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Tony Sporano is dead at age 56. Just heard the news on KFAN.

Already the offensive line was arguably the biggest question going into the season.

OMG three years younger than me. My condolences to his family and friends and the Vikings family as well. Horrific news.


Wait.. you just had a baby at 59?! Tip of the cap to you.

Thanks.

I think you're nuts.

I had two kids now in my 40s and I am so totally exhausted. Good Luck with that.

She will be a lot of work, but so far I'm enjoying it.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/23/2018 11:51:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Tony Sporano is dead at age 56. Just heard the news on KFAN.

Already the offensive line was arguably the biggest question going into the season.

OMG three years younger than me. My condolences to his family and friends and the Vikings family as well. Horrific news.


Wait.. you just had a baby at 59?! Tip of the cap to you.

Thanks.

I think you're nuts.

I had two kids now in my 40s and I am so totally exhausted. Good Luck with that.

She will be a lot of work, but so far I'm enjoying it.

Despite the exhaustion I love every minute with the little ones.

I have four kids altogether. First two I had at 28 and 30. These two at 42 and 44 WAY different. Getting off the floor is a lot harder now.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/23/2018 12:52:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Tony Sporano is dead at age 56. Just heard the news on KFAN.

Already the offensive line was arguably the biggest question going into the season.

OMG three years younger than me. My condolences to his family and friends and the Vikings family as well. Horrific news.


Wait.. you just had a baby at 59?! Tip of the cap to you.

Thanks.

I think you're nuts.

I had two kids now in my 40s and I am so totally exhausted. Good Luck with that.

She will be a lot of work, but so far I'm enjoying it.

Despite the exhaustion I love every minute with the little ones.

I have four kids altogether. First two I had at 28 and 30. These two at 42 and 44 WAY different. Getting off the floor is a lot harder now.


They will run you ragged! My two girls are 19 and 14 now. Let's just say that binge-watching The Office is way more fun w/ then than the constant fear of them hurting themselves or getting into something when they were little kids. Family is everything, though! Wouldn't know what to do without them.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/23/2018 3:37:27 PM   
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https://www.twincities.com/2018/07/22/vikings-offensive-line-coach-tony-sparano-dies-at-56/

The Vikings’ assistant offensive line coach is Andrew Janocko. It remains be seen if he will take over for Sparano.

“Andrew has done an amazing job,” Collins said. “He knows what he’s doing. He’s very capable of (taking over), but we’re not worried about that at all now. We’re in the grieving process now.”


BTW, per Wikipedia, Tice retired in February 2018 saying that players didn't want to be coached. Maybe the Vikings will bring him back but I doubt it, probably just promote Janocko. I think technically they'll be fine, but whether their heads will be in the game is a different thing. We'll get an idea early as playing against the Broncos and Jags D, even in the preseason, is no easy task. Something like this can either galvanize a team or cause them to go lower, we'll see which one it is. RIP Coach. I think the team overall has enough character to rise above it, it's just a question of the O-line as that was the weakest part of the team and that will determine how far we go.


I doubt Tice would come back here, not after the Wilfs publicly stated in mid December 2005 that "there will be no wholesale changes", and then less than a month later, implemented wholesale changes. Including letting Tice walk. That bad faith, and the Triangle of Authority, are the only real hiccups the Wilfs have had as owners here IMO. Hiring KA I guess also. But we're past that.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/23/2018 3:43:30 PM   
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Paul Allen was speculating about Mike Tice coming in here to be the offensive line coach. He did say it was a long shot, but that he believes Tice would be happy to do it.

I don't believe that Tice was a zone blocking coach. Correct me if I'm wrong. He has coached around the league a bit- Minnesota, Chicago and Oakland, Jacksonville and Atlanta and he's been successful. Two years ago Oakland arguably had the best, or second best offensive line in the NFL. I like Mike Tice a lot, but I don't believe he will be the guy or should be the guy.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/23/2018 3:47:57 PM   
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I'd take Tice in a heart beat.

His Olines have done really well where ever he's been.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/23/2018 3:53:22 PM   
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Paul Allen was speculating about Mike Tice coming in here to be the offensive line coach. He did say it was a long shot, but that he believes Tice would be happy to do it.



Maybe Spiels could convince Tice to come back, he could lay the blame (and rightfully so) on the Wilfs for the 2005 show of bad faith. Tell him they are out of the running the organization piece of it, that he's (Spiels) in charge. I doubt it, but maybe.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/23/2018 3:54:07 PM   
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Paul Allen was speculating about Mike Tice coming in here to be the offensive line coach. He did say it was a long shot, but that he believes Tice would be happy to do it.

I don't believe that Tice was a zone blocking coach. Correct me if I'm wrong. He has coached around the league a bit- Minnesota, Chicago and Oakland, Jacksonville and Atlanta and he's been successful. Two years ago Oakland arguably had the best, or second best offensive line in the NFL. I like Mike Tice a lot, but I don't believe he will be the guy or should be the guy.

I want Tice. He's 59 so not too old. Has ties to this community. Would be a great fit.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/23/2018 3:56:52 PM   
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I'd take Tice in a heart beat.

His Olines have done really well where ever he's been.


What if his blocking schemes don't jibe with what the Vikes have been teaching/playing with over the last couple seasons? Along with players acquired with those schemes in mind? With this an all in season, it's hard to start the OL back at ground zero.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/23/2018 4:08:51 PM   
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I'd take Tice in a heart beat.

His Olines have done really well where ever he's been.


What if his blocking schemes don't jibe with what the Vikes have been teaching/playing with over the last couple seasons? Along with players acquired with those schemes in mind? With this an all in season, it's hard to start the OL back at ground zero.

True so hopefully he understands zone blocking. I don't think Tice was the x and o guy before was he. I thought he was more the motivational speaker and left the actual coaching to the assistants.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 7/23/2018 4:10:58 PM   
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I'd take Tice in a heart beat.

His Olines have done really well where ever he's been.


What if his blocking schemes don't jibe with what the Vikes have been teaching/playing with over the last couple seasons? Along with players acquired with those schemes in mind? With this an all in season, it's hard to start the OL back at ground zero.

Whoever it is has to rely heavily on the assistants now.
And Flip.
If they only need a figurehead for this season, Tice could be OK.
If we're looking for an innovator, which likely we aren't since Sparano was the guy ... then Tice makes no sense.

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