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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2018 2:26:22 PM   
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Here is my problem with Cousins:

Is he a guy with great stats, but that's it? Stafford puts up tons of stats, but hasn't won jack squat. I wouldn't take Stafford.

But I think Cousins > Case. But I also would not lock us into some 5-year deal on Cousins. But I don't think we will be going after him anyhow.

I also think healthy Bradford > Case/Cousins/Teddy. But can he stay healthy....?

And Teddy is a huge question mark. There is NO WAY I pay him lots of money. He gets a friendly deal or I let him walk. And I still have one of the others in there to compete for the starter job.

On Case, if you watch his play the last few games, his pocket awareness was not what it was earlier in the year. Seemed to get pressured /sacked more and didn't make as many plays with his legs. That was his x-factor IMHO. He was able to pull a Houdini a few times and get some first downs when the play broke down. There was none of that later on. Turnovers and punts.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2018 2:29:46 PM   
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Is he a guy with great stats, but that's it? Stafford puts up tons of stats, but hasn't won jack squat. I wouldn't take Stafford.



I would love to have Stafford. He is batting a tradition of franchise futility that practically stretches back to the dawn of the NFL. Some levels of inertia just can't be overcome.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2018 2:31:14 PM   
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Have Case and Teddy battle it out next year sounds like a better plan.


I respectfully disagree. Case has been figured out. He had his run and now there is more film on him than ever. It still remains to be seen what the long term affect of Teddy's injury will be. You committing a franchise price tag to a QB with the idea he would have to fight it out for the job.

Was going to bring that up too
Cases season is remindful of that baseball player who comes up for a look ... Gets red hot to start ... Then suddenly starts going 0-fer
He's been figured out.
Can he rebound and adjust? Sure. But Cousins has already passed that hurdle.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2018 2:31:39 PM   
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Is he a guy with great stats, but that's it? Stafford puts up tons of stats, but hasn't won jack squat. I wouldn't take Stafford.



I would love to have Stafford. He is batting a tradition of franchise futility that practically stretches back to the dawn of the NFL. Some levels of inertia just can't be overcome.

Agree.

Definitely would want Stafford as QB. Guy is tough, accurate, clutch and has a strong arm.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2018 2:31:53 PM   
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I let Case walk, unless he will take a low-priced deal. He won't.

I need to know the health of Bradford and Teddy. I think they are both question marks, but I don't know. If Bradford is good to go, I franchise him/short-term deal and offer Teddy a friendly deal.

If not, I make a run at Cousins.

But there is no way, knowing what little I do, that I roll with Teddy and Sloter next year.

And I won't roll with Case unless it's a friendly deal AND I have Teddy or Sam on the roster, too.

Ugh LOL

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2018 2:32:43 PM   
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Is he a guy with great stats, but that's it? Stafford puts up tons of stats, but hasn't won jack squat. I wouldn't take Stafford.



I would love to have Stafford. He is batting a tradition of franchise futility that practically stretches back to the dawn of the NFL. Some levels of inertia just can't be overcome.

Agree again
Think Stafford behind center here. Oh my.
We're looking for one huge piece. Don't settle please.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2018 2:33:55 PM   
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Is he a guy with great stats, but that's it? Stafford puts up tons of stats, but hasn't won jack squat. I wouldn't take Stafford.



I would love to have Stafford. He is batting a tradition of franchise futility that practically stretches back to the dawn of the NFL. Some levels of inertia just can't be overcome.

Agree.

Definitely would want Stafford as QB. Guy is tough, accurate, clutch and has a strong arm.


Intertia to overcome?? I don't think so. I don't think he is that clutch or has a super-high football IQ. I live in MI and see lots of Lions football. Meh....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2018 2:34:19 PM   
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Have Case and Teddy battle it out next year sounds like a better plan.


I respectfully disagree. Case has been figured out. He had his run and now there is more film on him than ever. It still remains to be seen what the long term affect of Teddy's injury will be. You committing a franchise price tag to a QB with the idea he would have to fight it out for the job.

You mean put constant pressure on him and he will make a mistake or 2. That covers almost all QBs except the HOFs.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2018 2:35:27 PM   
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Here is my problem with Cousins:

Is he a guy with great stats, but that's it? Stafford puts up tons of stats, but hasn't won jack squat. I wouldn't take Stafford.

But I think Cousins > Case. But I also would not lock us into some 5-year deal on Cousins. But I don't think we will be going after him anyhow.

I also think healthy Bradford > Case/Cousins/Teddy. But can he stay healthy....?

And Teddy is a huge question mark. There is NO WAY I pay him lots of money. He gets a friendly deal or I let him walk. And I still have one of the others in there to compete for the starter job.

On Case, if you watch his play the last few games, his pocket awareness was not what it was earlier in the year. Seemed to get pressured /sacked more and didn't make as many plays with his legs. That was his x-factor IMHO. He was able to pull a Houdini a few times and get some first downs when the play broke down. There was none of that later on. Turnovers and punts.


Soooooooo... no QB then?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2018 2:35:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Have Case and Teddy battle it out next year sounds like a better plan.


I respectfully disagree. Case has been figured out. He had his run and now there is more film on him than ever. It still remains to be seen what the long term affect of Teddy's injury will be. You committing a franchise price tag to a QB with the idea he would have to fight it out for the job.

You mean put constant pressure on him and he will make a mistake or 2. That covers almost all QBs except the HOFs.


Put pressure on him and he makes incredibly bad decisions.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2018 2:35:44 PM   
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Is he a guy with great stats, but that's it? Stafford puts up tons of stats, but hasn't won jack squat. I wouldn't take Stafford.



I would love to have Stafford. He is batting a tradition of franchise futility that practically stretches back to the dawn of the NFL. Some levels of inertia just can't be overcome.

Agree again
Think Stafford behind center here. Oh my.
We're looking for one huge piece. Don't settle please.


Sorry - I see him as the guy who teases you with lots of great throws, but can't quite get to that next level.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2018 2:36:26 PM   
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Here is my problem with Cousins:

Is he a guy with great stats, but that's it? Stafford puts up tons of stats, but hasn't won jack squat. I wouldn't take Stafford.

But I think Cousins > Case. But I also would not lock us into some 5-year deal on Cousins. But I don't think we will be going after him anyhow.

I also think healthy Bradford > Case/Cousins/Teddy. But can he stay healthy....?

And Teddy is a huge question mark. There is NO WAY I pay him lots of money. He gets a friendly deal or I let him walk. And I still have one of the others in there to compete for the starter job.

On Case, if you watch his play the last few games, his pocket awareness was not what it was earlier in the year. Seemed to get pressured /sacked more and didn't make as many plays with his legs. That was his x-factor IMHO. He was able to pull a Houdini a few times and get some first downs when the play broke down. There was none of that later on. Turnovers and punts.


Soooooooo... no QB then?


LMAO. Yup. All wildcat. All day.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2018 2:36:49 PM   
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Is he a guy with great stats, but that's it? Stafford puts up tons of stats, but hasn't won jack squat. I wouldn't take Stafford.



I would love to have Stafford. He is batting a tradition of franchise futility that practically stretches back to the dawn of the NFL. Some levels of inertia just can't be overcome.

Agree.

Definitely would want Stafford as QB. Guy is tough, accurate, clutch and has a strong arm.


Intertia to overcome?? I don't think so. I don't think he is that clutch or has a super-high football IQ. I live in MI and see lots of Lions football. Meh....

He has had some stretches of impressive 4th quarter comebacks. Maybe it's all Jim Bob Cooter but the guy has improved a lot from the early years.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2018 2:38:41 PM   
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Here is my problem with Cousins:

Is he a guy with great stats, but that's it? Stafford puts up tons of stats, but hasn't won jack squat. I wouldn't take Stafford.

But I think Cousins > Case. But I also would not lock us into some 5-year deal on Cousins. But I don't think we will be going after him anyhow.

I also think healthy Bradford > Case/Cousins/Teddy. But can he stay healthy....?

And Teddy is a huge question mark. There is NO WAY I pay him lots of money. He gets a friendly deal or I let him walk. And I still have one of the others in there to compete for the starter job.

On Case, if you watch his play the last few games, his pocket awareness was not what it was earlier in the year. Seemed to get pressured /sacked more and didn't make as many plays with his legs. That was his x-factor IMHO. He was able to pull a Houdini a few times and get some first downs when the play broke down. There was none of that later on. Turnovers and punts.


Soooooooo... no QB then?


Healthy Bradford>Cousins>Case>Teddy

If the health of Bradford and Teddy are ?, then I go after Cousins. Otherwise, pick some combo of two of the remaining three, with no big contract for any one of them. None of them are deserving IMHO.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2018 2:38:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Have Case and Teddy battle it out next year sounds like a better plan.


I respectfully disagree. Case has been figured out. He had his run and now there is more film on him than ever. It still remains to be seen what the long term affect of Teddy's injury will be. You committing a franchise price tag to a QB with the idea he would have to fight it out for the job.

You mean put constant pressure on him and he will make a mistake or 2. That covers almost all QBs except the HOFs.



He doesn’t have the arm strength to complete a medium to deep out. This allows defenses to commit more attention to the middle of the field and send pressure off the edge. That’s the book on him. He will then try and throw to the sideline and it’s an easy pick. We saw that happen plenty in 2017.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2018 2:39:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Have Case and Teddy battle it out next year sounds like a better plan.


I respectfully disagree. Case has been figured out. He had his run and now there is more film on him than ever. It still remains to be seen what the long term affect of Teddy's injury will be. You committing a franchise price tag to a QB with the idea he would have to fight it out for the job.

You mean put constant pressure on him and he will make a mistake or 2. That covers almost all QBs except the HOFs.


Put pressure on him and he makes incredibly bad decisions.

I can't disagree but Cousins does the same thing.

One thing I think we can agree on is continuing to make the OLine a dominant force.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2018 2:40:51 PM   
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Is he a guy with great stats, but that's it? Stafford puts up tons of stats, but hasn't won jack squat. I wouldn't take Stafford.



I would love to have Stafford. He is batting a tradition of franchise futility that practically stretches back to the dawn of the NFL. Some levels of inertia just can't be overcome.

Agree.

Definitely would want Stafford as QB. Guy is tough, accurate, clutch and has a strong arm.


Intertia to overcome?? I don't think so. I don't think he is that clutch or has a super-high football IQ. I live in MI and see lots of Lions football. Meh....

He has had some stretches of impressive 4th quarter comebacks. Maybe it's all Jim Bob Cooter but the guy has improved a lot from the early years.


Yes, he has really improved with JBCooter. What did they do down the stretch this year? How did he look against us? It's irrelevant since he is in DET, but I would not want him as my starter - especially at that cap hit.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2018 2:43:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Have Case and Teddy battle it out next year sounds like a better plan.


I respectfully disagree. Case has been figured out. He had his run and now there is more film on him than ever. It still remains to be seen what the long term affect of Teddy's injury will be. You committing a franchise price tag to a QB with the idea he would have to fight it out for the job.

You mean put constant pressure on him and he will make a mistake or 2. That covers almost all QBs except the HOFs.



He doesn’t have the arm strength to complete a medium to deep out. This allows defenses to commit more attention to the middle of the field and send pressure off the edge. That’s the book on him. He will then try and throw to the sideline and it’s an easy pick. We saw that happen plenty in 2017.


Yup...or scramble or a lollipop to AT/SD. Take a few of those away and we look very different.

I am convinced that BB would have torched our offense if we made it to the SB. Our D and ST would have had to win it for us (and we saw how that worked out in PHI)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2018 2:44:00 PM   
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Here is the bottom line for me on Case. There are some here who look at him and want to see another Kurt Warner. The guy who didn't get drafted, flew under the radar, got his big chance and became a top flight starting QB. I look at Case and I see the other 1,000 guys for every Warner. Career backup who gets an opportunity and has one great run before fading into obscurity. Basically I see Matt Cassel or Scott Mitchell. Somebody is going to pay Case this off season and wind up wishing they hadn't.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2018 2:44:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Have Case and Teddy battle it out next year sounds like a better plan.


I respectfully disagree. Case has been figured out. He had his run and now there is more film on him than ever. It still remains to be seen what the long term affect of Teddy's injury will be. You committing a franchise price tag to a QB with the idea he would have to fight it out for the job.

You mean put constant pressure on him and he will make a mistake or 2. That covers almost all QBs except the HOFs.



He doesn’t have the arm strength to complete a medium to deep out. This allows defenses to commit more attention to the middle of the field and send pressure off the edge. That’s the book on him. He will then try and throw to the sideline and it’s an easy pick. We saw that happen plenty in 2017.

The book on him has been out for 6 years and he still had a great year this year.

I guess it can be concluded that it was a fluke. But it could also be concluded that he was stuck with QB killer Jeff Fisher and finally got a chance with some real offensive gurus.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2018 2:46:01 PM   
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Here is the bottom line for me on Case. There are some here who look at him and want to see another Kurt Warner. The guy who didn't get drafted, flew under the radar, got his big chance and became a top flight starting QB. I look at Case and I see the other 1,000 guys for every Warner. Career backup who gets an opportunity and has one great run before fading into obscurity. Basically I see Matt Cassel or Scott Mitchell. Somebody is going to pay Case this off season and wind up wishing they hadn't.


I feel the same. I WISH I didn't, but I do. He is a good story and played his guts our for our team. But with purple-shaded glasses off, that's what I see.

Would love him as a back-up.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2018 2:53:39 PM   
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Here is my problem with Cousins:

Is he a guy with great stats, but that's it? Stafford puts up tons of stats, but hasn't won jack squat. I wouldn't take Stafford.

But I think Cousins > Case. But I also would not lock us into some 5-year deal on Cousins. But I don't think we will be going after him anyhow.

I also think healthy Bradford > Case/Cousins/Teddy. But can he stay healthy....?

And Teddy is a huge question mark. There is NO WAY I pay him lots of money. He gets a friendly deal or I let him walk. And I still have one of the others in there to compete for the starter job.

On Case, if you watch his play the last few games, his pocket awareness was not what it was earlier in the year. Seemed to get pressured /sacked more and didn't make as many plays with his legs. That was his x-factor IMHO. He was able to pull a Houdini a few times and get some first downs when the play broke down. There was none of that later on. Turnovers and punts.


Soooooooo... no QB then?


Healthy Bradford>Cousins>Case>Teddy

If the health of Bradford and Teddy are ?, then I go after Cousins. Otherwise, pick some combo of two of the remaining three, with no big contract for any one of them. None of them are deserving IMHO.


Unfortunately "Healthy Bradford" is a unicorn. It doesn't exist.

He's lost nearly 40% of his 8 year career to injury.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2018 2:54:47 PM   
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I am convinced that BB would have torched our offense if we made it to the SB. Our D and ST would have had to win it for us (and we saw how that worked out in PHI)


I expected it to be just like when the Patriots played against Chad Pennington in the Playoffs.

Just destroyed him by taking away what he does well, and giving him the parts of the field he struggles with.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2018 3:08:47 PM   
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The best takeaway form Keenum's great season in 2017 is that it's a real credit to how well the rest of the team is put together. Keenum was ALMOST good enough to get us to the Super Bowl. Let me put it a different way. A journeyman backup was ALMOST good enough to get us to the Super Bowl. If you believe this is true (as I do) then a quality starter should put us over the top. Let's go get one.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/31/2018 3:13:20 PM   
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Bottom line is that they shouldn't be afraid to get better.

< Message edited by TJSweens -- 1/31/2018 3:17:52 PM >


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