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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 8:57:16 AM   
Karl Juhnke


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Yep, Butler is effectively running the Wolves right now. Because he's just showing up to practice and doing what he wants with impunity.

The only player worth that status is Lebron.

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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 8:59:14 AM   
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Game
Set
Match


On this latest debacle
Good stuff Sweens


Well, to be fair, I'm not going to get much debate by calling Taylor a f***ing idiot.

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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 9:04:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Game
Set
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On this latest debacle
Good stuff Sweens


Well, to be fair, I'm not going to get much debate by calling Taylor a f***ing idiot.

Just sayin, this latest peek into the dysfunction really should end all doubt.
Its simple.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 9:33:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Game
Set
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On this latest debacle
Good stuff Sweens


Well, to be fair, I'm not going to get much debate by calling Taylor a f***ing idiot.

Just sayin, this latest peek into the dysfunction really should end all doubt.
Its simple.

I think the argument is that the team as is now constructed is going no where. With or without Jimmy, the team is no better then a 7 or 8th round team and will never win it all. If you keep the Thibs and Jimmy side show, you have Jimmy's contract spot another lottery pick and a new front office after the season. It is Taylors team and he is entitle to do what he wants with it. If Thibs can't end the side show, he is finished as a POBO and coach. He is not going to win with has been Bulls.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 10:19:59 AM   
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I remember going to games and watching games on TV where Garnett said Mother*&*F#$ a crazy amount of times in a game....loud enough to hear from the cheap seats. I am sure KG said as much as Butler in every practice and more.


I don't think swearing is the issue here.


Yeah, I really don't see how anyone can use that as a comparison. Butler's outbursts were directed at his teammates, coaches and GM. He is just trying to make himself such a toxic dick that they have no choice but to trade him.

Thibs sees this as acceptable behavior and as long as Jimmy plays, the rest is gravy to him. Until Uncle Glen fires Thibs nothing changes. Thibs is not going to trade his man Butler, who can do little wrong. This needs to be a wake up call for uncle Glen or the nuts will continue t run the farm. I have never heard KG blast management, by the way.


I listened to Glen Mason on Dan Barreiro's show yesterday. Different sport of course, but his take is that after a fiasco like yesterday's, he has no idea how Thibs could have even a shred of credibility left with his players.


Mason is excellent, would love to have a few beers with him.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 11:00:20 AM   
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Krawczynski reports, Timberwolves will not practice today. No media availability.

This is just...

< Message edited by Karl Juhnke -- 10/11/2018 11:04:22 AM >


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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 11:07:59 AM   
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Its just preseason, but last night a few of the Miami targets had nice games:

Richardson: 25 points (9/16, 4/7, 3/3), 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal.
Adebayo: 26 points, 12 rebounds, 3 assists, 5 steals, 3 blocks.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 11:17:59 AM   
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Nice breakdown of Richardson:

https://www.canishoopus.com/2018/10/11/17958434/josh-richardson-maimi-heat-minnesota-timberwolves-want-badly-nba-trade
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 11:19:41 AM   
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Taylor should call Thibs, Butler and Kat into his office in that order and say,
You are fired.
You will be traded.
We will build this team around you.

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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 11:28:40 AM   
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Nice breakdown of Richardson:

https://www.canishoopus.com/2018/10/11/17958434/josh-richardson-maimi-heat-minnesota-timberwolves-want-badly-nba-trade


Honestly, at this point, if they can still get Richardson and a protected first round pick, they need to jump on it before things get any more insane.

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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 11:29:17 AM   
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Yes, Towns has some work to do defensively and is still trying to master the nuances of being a leader as he prepares to enter Year 4, the final one before a five-year, $190-million contract kicks in.

But they show up to work every day. One missed game between them in seven combined seasons in this league. They always work to say the right things publicly.

To roll in like you own the place when you’re asking out? To hurl expletives at the head coach and GM, whether in jest or not, and then walk out of practice? Arrange a national television interview so you can take your beef to the streets?

It was no secret that Towns wasn’t particularly happy with Thibodeau or the organization this summer. There’s a reason he let that max contract offer sit unsigned until just before training camp. But he never said a word about it publicly, demurring the whole way.

Despite his brother’s little social media outburst, Wiggins has been nothing but complimentary of Butler and even said last week that he would welcome him back.

Thibodeau loves to say that words don’t mean anything, that a player’s actions are what matters most. And yet there was his beloved Butler, speaking in an interview about having the backs of his teammates, saying that if they fall to the court, "23 is gonna be there to pick you up," all while actively trying to get as far away from this team as fast as possible.

Former coach Stan Van Gundy went on SportsCenter and said that he talked to members of the organization who called it the best practice of the season for the energy that Butler brought to the table, a clear message of approval from Thibodeau and Layden.

"I know Thibs. He’s in there by himself, he locked his door and he’s smiling," Butler said. "He’s laughing. He’s like, ‘Yeah.’"

Butler smiled and chuckled while the whole world watched. This is what he wanted. He returned not to light a fire under his teammates or get them ready to take the court next week against San Antonio, but to find another way to get a message delivered to Thibodeau, Layden and Taylor.

Trade me now, or there’s more of the same on the way.

--Jon K and Shams
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 11:59:58 AM   
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Andrew Johnson@CountingBaskets
To me Woj is one of the people that comes off the worst out of yesterday, obviously being a stenographer for Butler's agent just to get a five minute jump on a couple of tweets isn't a great look when you expect to be regarded as a serious journalist.

4:54 AM - Oct 11, 2018
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 12:02:13 PM   
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Yes, Towns has some work to do defensively and is still trying to master the nuances of being a leader as he prepares to enter Year 4, the final one before a five-year, $190-million contract kicks in.

But they show up to work every day. One missed game between them in seven combined seasons in this league. They always work to say the right things publicly.

To roll in like you own the place when you’re asking out? To hurl expletives at the head coach and GM, whether in jest or not, and then walk out of practice? Arrange a national television interview so you can take your beef to the streets?

It was no secret that Towns wasn’t particularly happy with Thibodeau or the organization this summer. There’s a reason he let that max contract offer sit unsigned until just before training camp. But he never said a word about it publicly, demurring the whole way.

Despite his brother’s little social media outburst, Wiggins has been nothing but complimentary of Butler and even said last week that he would welcome him back.

Thibodeau loves to say that words don’t mean anything, that a player’s actions are what matters most. And yet there was his beloved Butler, speaking in an interview about having the backs of his teammates, saying that if they fall to the court, "23 is gonna be there to pick you up," all while actively trying to get as far away from this team as fast as possible.

Former coach Stan Van Gundy went on SportsCenter and said that he talked to members of the organization who called it the best practice of the season for the energy that Butler brought to the table, a clear message of approval from Thibodeau and Layden.

"I know Thibs. He’s in there by himself, he locked his door and he’s smiling," Butler said. "He’s laughing. He’s like, ‘Yeah.’"

Butler smiled and chuckled while the whole world watched. This is what he wanted. He returned not to light a fire under his teammates or get them ready to take the court next week against San Antonio, but to find another way to get a message delivered to Thibodeau, Layden and Taylor.

Trade me now, or there’s more of the same on the way.

--Jon K and Shams

Well said David!
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 12:05:41 PM   
David Levine


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ORIGINAL: ruffenach

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Yes, Towns has some work to do defensively and is still trying to master the nuances of being a leader as he prepares to enter Year 4, the final one before a five-year, $190-million contract kicks in.

But they show up to work every day. One missed game between them in seven combined seasons in this league. They always work to say the right things publicly.

To roll in like you own the place when you’re asking out? To hurl expletives at the head coach and GM, whether in jest or not, and then walk out of practice? Arrange a national television interview so you can take your beef to the streets?

It was no secret that Towns wasn’t particularly happy with Thibodeau or the organization this summer. There’s a reason he let that max contract offer sit unsigned until just before training camp. But he never said a word about it publicly, demurring the whole way.

Despite his brother’s little social media outburst, Wiggins has been nothing but complimentary of Butler and even said last week that he would welcome him back.

Thibodeau loves to say that words don’t mean anything, that a player’s actions are what matters most. And yet there was his beloved Butler, speaking in an interview about having the backs of his teammates, saying that if they fall to the court, "23 is gonna be there to pick you up," all while actively trying to get as far away from this team as fast as possible.

Former coach Stan Van Gundy went on SportsCenter and said that he talked to members of the organization who called it the best practice of the season for the energy that Butler brought to the table, a clear message of approval from Thibodeau and Layden.

"I know Thibs. He’s in there by himself, he locked his door and he’s smiling," Butler said. "He’s laughing. He’s like, ‘Yeah.’"

Butler smiled and chuckled while the whole world watched. This is what he wanted. He returned not to light a fire under his teammates or get them ready to take the court next week against San Antonio, but to find another way to get a message delivered to Thibodeau, Layden and Taylor.

Trade me now, or there’s more of the same on the way.

--Jon K and Shams

Well said David!


I just copied and pasted.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 12:06:03 PM   
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Even Cris Carter is the voice of reason on this one...

https://www.foxsports.com/watch/first-things-first/video/1341750851770
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 12:12:59 PM   
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I remember going to games and watching games on TV where Garnett said Mother*&*F#$ a crazy amount of times in a game....loud enough to hear from the cheap seats. I am sure KG said as much as Butler in every practice and more.


I'm disappointed. You're usually capable of much better spin than that. I doubt even you believe thats comparable in any way.

From The Athletic:

Heck, this franchise was once home to Kevin Garnett, who never met a four-letter word he didn’t like and lorded over practice with an intensity and a fury that was unmatched. What was different this time around was the context. Butler has been asking out of Minnesota for months. He made it clear in July and August that he wasn’t going to sign an extension here and that the Wolves should consider moving him. When that didn’t happen, he summoned Thibodeau across the country a week before training camp to tell him as bluntly as he could: trade me.

So while he told ESPN that he was there to say that he had the backs of his teammates, his actions say something different. He turned his back on this franchise months ago, and now it was time to let everyone know what life is going to be like if he sticks around.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 12:38:38 PM   
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From my friend Matt Madson (awesome Minneapolis artist), aka E-6 to you Canis guys:

Butler Meets Banksy

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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 1:04:42 PM   
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Nate on yesterday:

A clearer picture about the "practice" is emerging. I’m not sure you could describe it as a scrimmage or a game and nobody was inspired by it. Most people had no idea what in the hell was happening.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 1:10:32 PM   
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Nate on yesterday:

A clearer picture about the "practice" is emerging. I’m not sure you could describe it as a scrimmage or a game and nobody was inspired by it. Most people had no idea what in the hell was happening.


Makes you think Thibs was either in on it or was content to allow it, right? An infamous control freak like he is, and he just lets Butler come in and take over practice for an hour? I don't think so.

That makes the events of yesterday even more appalling.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 1:23:14 PM   
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Nate on yesterday:

A clearer picture about the "practice" is emerging. I’m not sure you could describe it as a scrimmage or a game and nobody was inspired by it. Most people had no idea what in the hell was happening.


Makes you think Thibs was either in on it or was content to allow it, right? An infamous control freak like he is, and he just lets Butler come in and take over practice for an hour? I don't think so.

That makes the events of yesterday even more appalling.


Either way, I think Thibs was happy to see it. In his mind, Jimmy was showing leadership.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 1:46:37 PM   
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Ugh:

Shams Charania✔@ShamsCharania
Timberwolves All-Star Jimmy Butler called a players-only meeting today, airing his feelings toward situation and management, per league sources. Butler expressed to players he would compete with them, as signs pointing to him staying with the franchise into the regular season.

Shams Charania@ShamsCharania
Sources on @TheAthleticNBA @WatchStadium: Several players spoke up in players-only meeting, but Butler led it, made known his issues with management. His message was similar to one he displayed Wednesday: I run this. He's far too competitive to sit real games.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 1:50:55 PM   
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Thibs needs to be fired immediately for how he's handled this.

Jimmy admitted to Nichols that he told Thibs he wanted out 4 DAYS AFTER THE SEASON, and Thibs just sat on that info until a week before TC...

https://twitter.com/Rachel__Nichols/status/1050244069186662400
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 2:13:54 PM   
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Could it be that Butler stays and leads a rebellion against Thibs? Then I might be all for it.

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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 2:17:18 PM   
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Ugh:

Shams Charania✔@ShamsCharania
Timberwolves All-Star Jimmy Butler called a players-only meeting today, airing his feelings toward situation and management, per league sources. Butler expressed to players he would compete with them, as signs pointing to him staying with the franchise into the regular season.

Shams Charania@ShamsCharania
Sources on @TheAthleticNBA @WatchStadium: Several players spoke up in players-only meeting, but Butler led it, made known his issues with management. His message was similar to one he displayed Wednesday: I run this. He's far too competitive to sit real games.


I'm sure KAT is feeling just GREAT about this whole charade.
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RE: Wolves 2018 offseason - 10/11/2018 2:27:03 PM   
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Only thing comparable is the Oakland A's of the early 70's. I think they hated each others guts, but kept winning.

This is just like that, except for the winning part.
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