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RE: WEEK 8: vs Saints 10-28-18 7:20PM CT - 10/28/2018 10:42:58 PM   
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Can Rudolf be any slower or any less shifty on his breaks..

I wish we had Kittle



Ebron would have been a huge upgrade and he was available for $6.75 mil.

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RE: WEEK 8: vs Saints 10-28-18 7:20PM CT - 10/28/2018 10:43:17 PM   
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Richard Solomon.

Geoff, that is EXACTLY what I was saying over a month ago.

Denny was better off without Solomon, but still couldn't win it all. Zimmer might be similar, which is why I would consider Defilippo at HC, don't want to let him get away.


I remember when we let a YOUNG Mike Tomlin get away

He went on to win the Super Bowl

We kept Kick Ass Childress

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RE: WEEK 8: vs Saints 10-28-18 7:20PM CT - 10/28/2018 10:43:58 PM   
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Growth great...but it's time for all of us to enjoy a SB win together
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RE: WEEK 8: vs Saints 10-28-18 7:20PM CT - 10/28/2018 10:44:07 PM   
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Can Rudolf be any slower or any less shifty on his breaks..

I wish we had Kittle



Ebron would have been a huge upgrade and he was available for $6.75 mil.


Yep

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RE: WEEK 8: vs Saints 10-28-18 7:20PM CT - 10/28/2018 10:44:13 PM   
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Tomlin and Billick.

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RE: WEEK 8: vs Saints 10-28-18 7:20PM CT - 10/28/2018 10:45:48 PM   
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Wasn't Tomlin DC in Chilly's First or second year.....tough to fire Chilly that early.

Billick lucked into the Baltimore job. He is a very bad example.

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RE: WEEK 8: vs Saints 10-28-18 7:20PM CT - 10/28/2018 10:45:56 PM   
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This second half feels so inert to me. Maybe it is because I can hardly stay awake, but it's almost like the decision to take a knee at the end of the first half after the Theilen fumble was like the team punting the game.

Like I wonder if that decision deflates a team. Sorry guys, you can't be trusted to do anything with thirty seconds and two time-outs. The other team is too dangerous to risk playing a full game against. Let's just try to get out of here alive, collect our pay checks and get to the safety of the offseason.


How can a coach expect his players to go all out for him when he doesn't even trust them at the end of the half?

Still playing catch up to how the game is played today. Why is it taking Zimmer so long to catch up?

The end of the first half was ridiculous beyond belief, but also a reminder of who Zimmer is.



Yea, this isn't knew for Zimmer and it is obviously who he is. I think he is a solid defensive minded coach, but it appears he is not wired for offensive applications. History is full of coaches that make better coordinators than HC's. Perhaps Zim is one of those, not a knock on him, just an observation.

Way too many mistakes to beat a quality team, that is also becoming a trait for this staff (lack of discipline), and that isn't a good thing either!

I'm not a guy to run around calling for a coach to be fired or anything like that, but you have to look at the body of work and see if a guy is growing or not. Zimmer has a large body of work for the decision makers to assess, take a good hard look. Can he be the guy? So far, his teams have had a lot of games they simply weren't prepared to play, think Wade Phillips, great coordinator, not so much of a head coach.

13-10 about to go up 16 or 20-10 and the maybe League MVP fumbles and this is somehow not having our guys ready to play. We were outplaying them up until the fumble.

4th and 1 decision is what the naysayers have been clamoring for and it backfired. Still held them to FG. Then Diggs stops on crossing pattern and we want to blame that on Zimmer too.

Beat DET. Regroup and get everyone healthy and go on a run after bye.
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RE: WEEK 8: vs Saints 10-28-18 7:20PM CT - 10/28/2018 10:46:19 PM   
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In grading a coach, the wins and losses are just a part of the equation. I put more emphasis on the attitude and discipline of the team, how they execute, are they technically sound, do they understand game situations, awareness. Many good teams will have an occasional bad game, but the solidly coached teams don't do it often. The Vikings just don't play 60 minutes of sharp, disciplined football. That's on the coaching staff, it just is. They need to get better, but we've been saying that, the question is, can they?
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RE: WEEK 8: vs Saints 10-28-18 7:20PM CT - 10/28/2018 10:47:54 PM   
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Zimmer has given himself an out with his eye
There will be no shame...he has turned the team around..
But it's time for the next chapter...
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RE: WEEK 8: vs Saints 10-28-18 7:20PM CT - 10/28/2018 10:48:31 PM   
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I think it's fair to ask why the playcall on 4th and short. Empty backfield?
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RE: WEEK 8: vs Saints 10-28-18 7:20PM CT - 10/28/2018 10:48:34 PM   
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In grading a coach, the wins and losses are just a part of the equation. I put more emphasis on the attitude and discipline of the team, how they execute, are they technically sound, do they understand game situations, awareness. Many good teams will have an occasional bad game, but the solidly coached teams don't do it often. The Vikings just don't play 60 minutes of sharp, disciplined football. That's on the coaching staff, it just is. They need to get better, but we've been saying that, the question is, can they?

Exactly Dana! People need to open their eyes. This team has talent but seems like it's always out of sync.
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RE: WEEK 8: vs Saints 10-28-18 7:20PM CT - 10/28/2018 10:48:39 PM   
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Guys playing with confidence are unlikely to fumble.


This was a big revenge match for NO, Diggs and Theilen were probably thinking too much about the miracle play and chasing 100 yard records.

It may well be NOs' season, one last hurrah for Brees.

Still think the Vikes could win it all as a wildcard, Cousins has the talent, just need to get hot mid November on.

You've outMartyed yourself on this one.
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RE: WEEK 8: vs Saints 10-28-18 7:20PM CT - 10/28/2018 10:49:46 PM   
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The good news is we have the Lions next. Home of the real most overpaid QB in the league.
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RE: WEEK 8: vs Saints 10-28-18 7:20PM CT - 10/28/2018 10:50:02 PM   
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Would the Zimmer backers agree if no Super Bowl in the Cousins contract it needs to be blown up.

Hate the idea of losing the Young OC to hang onto a defensive minded dinosaur.
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RE: WEEK 8: vs Saints 10-28-18 7:20PM CT - 10/28/2018 10:50:02 PM   
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I think it's fair to ask why the playcall on 4th and short. Empty backfield?

More than fair. DeFlip is the hot HC candidate. They need to ask him.
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RE: WEEK 8: vs Saints 10-28-18 7:20PM CT - 10/28/2018 10:51:37 PM   
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I think it's fair to ask why the playcall on 4th and short. Empty backfield?

More than fair. DeFlip is the hot HC candidate. They need to ask him.


Maybe some of this is on Flip too?

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RE: WEEK 8: vs Saints 10-28-18 7:20PM CT - 10/28/2018 10:52:10 PM   
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In grading a coach, the wins and losses are just a part of the equation. I put more emphasis on the attitude and discipline of the team, how they execute, are they technically sound, do they understand game situations, awareness. Many good teams will have an occasional bad game, but the solidly coached teams don't do it often. The Vikings just don't play 60 minutes of sharp, disciplined football. That's on the coaching staff, it just is. They need to get better, but we've been saying that, the question is, can they?

Biggest difference in the 2 teams tonight was OLine and RBs. Everything else pretty even with Brees a slight edge.
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RE: WEEK 8: vs Saints 10-28-18 7:20PM CT - 10/28/2018 10:52:23 PM   
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This second half feels so inert to me. Maybe it is because I can hardly stay awake, but it's almost like the decision to take a knee at the end of the first half after the Theilen fumble was like the team punting the game.

Like I wonder if that decision deflates a team. Sorry guys, you can't be trusted to do anything with thirty seconds and two time-outs. The other team is too dangerous to risk playing a full game against. Let's just try to get out of here alive, collect our pay checks and get to the safety of the offseason.


How can a coach expect his players to go all out for him when he doesn't even trust them at the end of the half?

Still playing catch up to how the game is played today. Why is it taking Zimmer so long to catch up?

The end of the first half was ridiculous beyond belief, but also a reminder of who Zimmer is.



Yea, this isn't knew for Zimmer and it is obviously who he is. I think he is a solid defensive minded coach, but it appears he is not wired for offensive applications. History is full of coaches that make better coordinators than HC's. Perhaps Zim is one of those, not a knock on him, just an observation.

Way too many mistakes to beat a quality team, that is also becoming a trait for this staff (lack of discipline), and that isn't a good thing either!

I'm not a guy to run around calling for a coach to be fired or anything like that, but you have to look at the body of work and see if a guy is growing or not. Zimmer has a large body of work for the decision makers to assess, take a good hard look. Can he be the guy? So far, his teams have had a lot of games they simply weren't prepared to play, think Wade Phillips, great coordinator, not so much of a head coach.

13-10 about to go up 16 or 20-10 and the maybe League MVP fumbles and this is somehow not having our guys ready to play. We were outplaying them up until the fumble.

4th and 1 decision is what the naysayers have been clamoring for and it backfired. Still held them to FG. Then Diggs stops on crossing pattern and we want to blame that on Zimmer too.

Beat DET. Regroup and get everyone healthy and go on a run after bye.


It didn't backfire. It was the correct decision. Empty backfield and then going to Treadwell were mistakes. The FG could just as easily happened had we punted.

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RE: WEEK 8: vs Saints 10-28-18 7:20PM CT - 10/28/2018 10:52:23 PM   
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Would the Zimmer backers agree if no Super Bowl in the Cousins contract it needs to be blown up.

Hate the idea of losing the Young OC to hang onto a defensive minded dinosaur.

Even I wouldnt fire him for not reaching the Super Bowl. Shoot theres a good chance we dont make the playoffs.
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RE: WEEK 8: vs Saints 10-28-18 7:20PM CT - 10/28/2018 10:53:19 PM   
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I think it's fair to ask why the playcall on 4th and short. Empty backfield?

More than fair. DeFlip is the hot HC candidate. They need to ask him.


Maybe some of this is on Flip too?

That's fair. I thought he called a really good first half. Not sure what that was.
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RE: WEEK 8: vs Saints 10-28-18 7:20PM CT - 10/28/2018 10:53:32 PM   
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I think it's fair to ask why the playcall on 4th and short. Empty backfield?

More than fair. DeFlip is the hot HC candidate. They need to ask him.


Absolutely. And Zimmer needs to be asked about taking a knee to end the first half. Zimmer and Flip both need to be asked about their hurry-up, long huddle, QB sneak offense.

Obviously the turnovers hurt, but we lost the TO battle by 1, that's hardly insurmountable.
Zimmer showed no confidence in our offense by taking that knee. I guarantee the players hated it.
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RE: WEEK 8: vs Saints 10-28-18 7:20PM CT - 10/28/2018 10:54:43 PM   
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In grading a coach, the wins and losses are just a part of the equation. I put more emphasis on the attitude and discipline of the team, how they execute, are they technically sound, do they understand game situations, awareness. Many good teams will have an occasional bad game, but the solidly coached teams don't do it often. The Vikings just don't play 60 minutes of sharp, disciplined football. That's on the coaching staff, it just is. They need to get better, but we've been saying that, the question is, can they?

Biggest difference in the 2 teams tonight was OLine and RBs. Everything else pretty even with Brees a slight edge.

So you're ok with our defense being just even with the Saints? We have put a ton into it. I would like to see a bunch more from that side.
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RE: WEEK 8: vs Saints 10-28-18 7:20PM CT - 10/28/2018 10:55:11 PM   
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This second half feels so inert to me. Maybe it is because I can hardly stay awake, but it's almost like the decision to take a knee at the end of the first half after the Theilen fumble was like the team punting the game.

Like I wonder if that decision deflates a team. Sorry guys, you can't be trusted to do anything with thirty seconds and two time-outs. The other team is too dangerous to risk playing a full game against. Let's just try to get out of here alive, collect our pay checks and get to the safety of the offseason.


How can a coach expect his players to go all out for him when he doesn't even trust them at the end of the half?

Still playing catch up to how the game is played today. Why is it taking Zimmer so long to catch up?

The end of the first half was ridiculous beyond belief, but also a reminder of who Zimmer is.



Yea, this isn't knew for Zimmer and it is obviously who he is. I think he is a solid defensive minded coach, but it appears he is not wired for offensive applications. History is full of coaches that make better coordinators than HC's. Perhaps Zim is one of those, not a knock on him, just an observation.

Way too many mistakes to beat a quality team, that is also becoming a trait for this staff (lack of discipline), and that isn't a good thing either!

I'm not a guy to run around calling for a coach to be fired or anything like that, but you have to look at the body of work and see if a guy is growing or not. Zimmer has a large body of work for the decision makers to assess, take a good hard look. Can he be the guy? So far, his teams have had a lot of games they simply weren't prepared to play, think Wade Phillips, great coordinator, not so much of a head coach.

13-10 about to go up 16 or 20-10 and the maybe League MVP fumbles and this is somehow not having our guys ready to play. We were outplaying them up until the fumble.

4th and 1 decision is what the naysayers have been clamoring for and it backfired. Still held them to FG. Then Diggs stops on crossing pattern and we want to blame that on Zimmer too.

Beat DET. Regroup and get everyone healthy and go on a run after bye.


No Mark, that isn't the point I am trying to make. I didn't reference AT's fumble, I make reference to the way too many mental mistakes this team is making. That is about being prepared. The Saints committed a turnover, but they played a much more disciplined game, you have to see that. Again, I'm just looking at the body of work, Zimmer is a fine defensive coordinator, just not so sure he inspires the team to play to a higher level.

You are right, the season isn't over and we just got beat by one of the best teams in the league. We can win enough games to make the playoffs, I'm just wondering if we have the balls to step out there an play when it's on the line, haven't seen much of that in the past few years.
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RE: WEEK 8: vs Saints 10-28-18 7:20PM CT - 10/28/2018 10:58:37 PM   
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1. I liked the confidence Zimmer showed in the offense on the 4th down down decisions.
2. I hated not trying to make something happen before the half. You could at least try a shot deep along the sidelines, you might get a PI . Instruct your WRs to OPI rather than give up the int. Cousin's throws such a nice Deep ball, I don't like the message of not trying something.
3. I can't fathom how you can look at Diggs or Thielen today and think they weren't playing with confidence.
4. The final TD drive was nice, but it took too much time.
5. We were going to need an onside kick needing two more scores. It was not a horrible decision to try it when it wasn't expected rather than when NO would know we were attempting it. If it works, and you score, then you can kickoff and try to stop them.
6. Adam Thielen will have the possibility of breaking Calvin Johnson's consecutive 100 yard game record against Detroit next week.

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RE: WEEK 8: vs Saints 10-28-18 7:20PM CT - 10/28/2018 10:58:43 PM   
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I think it's fair to ask why the playcall on 4th and short. Empty backfield?

More than fair. DeFlip is the hot HC candidate. They need to ask him.


Absolutely. And Zimmer needs to be asked about taking a knee to end the first half. Zimmer and Flip both need to be asked about their hurry-up, long huddle, QB sneak offense.

Obviously the turnovers hurt, but we lost the TO battle by 1, that's hardly insurmountable.
Zimmer showed no confidence in our offense by taking that knee. I guarantee the players hated it.

C'Mon. Our TOs were 13, possibly 21 point swings. Saying it just a normal -1 is very disingenuous.
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