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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/5/2018 5:54:02 PM   
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I noticed Barr simply floating around covering nobody. WTH is he doing spying on Brady in case this speed demon takes off!

Not having Kearse in the game made little to no sense when the game started. Let alone later after Wanyes got injured.


Barr is a ghost.

Frankly, I'd rather see Kearse covering the slot than Mac, and then Harris on the outside when Waynes/Rhodes go down with Iloka taking over at Safety.

I get PTSD when I see #20 out there, and Sherels should not see the field on the outside alone, ever.

Mac has improved some, but he's still a liability, imo. It seems we're still trying to prove that high (2nd round) pick wasn't a waste with him, ala Treadwell effect.



Did you see that play where Mac was lined up against CPat in the slot? CPat faked in to block, Mac totally bought it, CPat shoots out to the flat, catches the ball and was off running down the sideline.



Yea Bill, opening drive, it was pathetic. In fact, re-watching that drive, there were plenty of guys out of place that whole drive, that was when i knew we were in trouble for the day, we were simply not prepared to go out and play. This waiting until the second half to get interested is bullcrap, not what you want to see from your team and we've been seeing it all year.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/5/2018 6:23:54 PM   
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You know, I don't even give a shit anymore. F all the feel good rankings and records. I just want to win! Just win!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/5/2018 6:27:47 PM   
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These guys must go:

Priefer. Although it looks like Dallas knew Bailey was done what's up with Carlson. And as mentioned, drafting a K for a team with designs on a SB is not smart.

Barr, he being tied for 229th or whatever in tackles.

Sendejo, for cap and different NFL era reasons.

Remmers. Doesn't appear to be good at anything.

At least one of the TEs to make room for AT LEAST a turn of the century guy. Hell, Green signed Byron Chamberlain.

Treadwell of course.

Gedeon.


Yes! We should look for an upgrade to Rudolph as well. He's a solid player but way overpaid for his talent and productivity.

I'd be ok keeping Rudy on a renegotiated cheaper deal.

Rarely do rookie TE's explode onto the scene. Grooming even with a high TE pick will be needed.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/5/2018 6:32:11 PM   
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Basketball changed with the Warriors.

Football has been changing with the rules, and this year KC officially stamped the change as 'Complete'.

How many of the head coaches of contenders were brought up on the offensive side of the ball. McVay, Reid, Payton, others?




Agree Bill. It sucks but it is what it is. We hired Zimmer about 2 years too early. Meaning, the game has changed so quickly he was simply a bad hire. It's not his fault and I loved the hire at the time. He is stuck in the past and doesn't look like he'll change.

Lets be honest here. As bad as the O was yesterday, and they were terrible at times, we tied it up. What happened after was a wash/rinse/repeat. The big money/draft has been spent on D and they let Brady walk down the field like those moving walkways at the airport. There was no resistance what so ever. Anytime we really need this D they get shredded. Did we beat up on the hapless Lions, yes.

We dominate shitty offenses. We get shredded when we need them most. it's a common problem with this team since Zimmer took over.

To be fair to the D, on that drive we had 3 #1 pick CB's on the sidelines and Marcus Sherels in the game. I agree with your overall point though, they don't come through often enough against top teams. Zimmer did not create enough pressure on Brady. Brady did through the INT one of the few times the Blitz pressured him.

Part of our problem seems to be we can only function with extremely high pick CBs. Other teams develop CBs; we spend a high pick, break them down, make them relearn the position, and then either sign them to huge contracts or let them go because they don't get it.


We all have to admit, there are zero teams out there that have five starting DB's on the roster. No, what you saw there was a poor job of adjusting the defense to the situation. The tough guy mentality of "everyone gets paid, go out and do your job" has stupid in this situation. If we weren't going to blitz or pressure Brady, we needed to make sure there were enough DB types on the field. You could have replaced Barr in the first quarter and nobody would have known he wasn't in the game. We need to come up with a better scheme to defend the Patriots during the week, like the Titans did.

Sorry, but this is getting a little ridiculous and I don't mean the posting. I'm talking about the way our team is coached. Look at the roster, tell me why we continue to show up to games acting like we had the week off, like we will figure it out as we go along. I know that doesn't happen, I know the coaches coach during the week, this is exactly what I am talking about, what the hell are they coaching, why are we being out-coached nearly every week. I don't see the Seattle game as a hope for something great, I see it as another opportunity for a better coaching staff to out-coach us, it's frustrating.

I apologize for ranting, those of you that have known me over the past twenty odd years I've been posting on these threads, know that I am usually a lot more reserved in my comments. But ever since we hired Zimmer I have seen the same thing happening to this team, a team with a ton of talent on the roster just under-achieves. Put it this way, the Patriots have been on top of the NFL pile for a long time, they have never had a team with as much talent as the Vikings do, only difference would be a HOF QB, but the rest of the teams personnel, not even close. The Vikings put together a championship roster and look like a team waiting for something to happen. It's the coaching philosophy, Billicek (SP) coaches his guys differently, the lunch pale guys he gets all come in and just do their job. Our guys look lethargic out there. Sure a couple guys always shine, but the rest just talk good in interviews, hell, I don't even think they believe the crap they are shoveling.

What a waist of a good roster. I heard a guy ranting about the Vikings the other day, the said they were frauds,.....strong word, but not far off. 54 years following only one team in the NFL, you'd thing I'd be used to the pain by now {:~).


Not defending Zim, but having the GOAT at QB is no small thing. For years the Pats have beaten teams with much more talented rosters because of Brady. Belichick is a great coach, but without Brady the Pats are a middle of the pack team at best with some of the rosters they've had.

The frustrating part of Zim's coaching against the Pats is the Titans showed him exactly how to stop Brady. We have a much more talented roster than they do and could easily have replicated their efforts. I suspect Zim's ego and confidence in his "system' prevented him from following another coaches lead. Perhaps if he relinquished the DC duties entirely, he'd be able to see things more clearly.

I question whether Zim has/or puts in the hours needed to be an NFL HC.

We've seen this team unprepared probably more often than vice versa.

Your example of the blue print laid out by the Titans is on tape but the HC has to watch it and install the same game plan. Instead our defense is chasing all night.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/5/2018 6:52:53 PM   
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It's simple with me. I like players that play a certain way, with a love for the game, unselfish, aware, determined, focused, etc.. I like coaches who demand Quality play, who teach what they preach, who understand the game no matter what era we are playing in and who walk the same walk they ask of their players. I love the Purple and Gold because it's been in my blood my whole life, never rooted for another team, never cared who won the SB if the Vikings weren't in it, I am only a Viking guy. I don't get attached to players or coaches if they aren't totally focused on the above mentioned principles, if they aren't in this for the Purple and Gold, get the hell out, I've suffered enough to not have full attention being displayed. I tip my cap if we are beat fare and square, but if it's because of a players actions or a coaching staff not getting it done, I'm all for moving on. Give me what I give you, I will never let you down, don't let me down or you will find the door.

I believe this is what Bill B. does with his team. I believe this (and obviously Brady) is one of the key principles that helps him have such long success. He gets the most out of his players whatever their talent level is, your a coach, this is what you are paid to do and if you have a passion for it, it is what you do best.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/5/2018 7:35:08 PM   
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These guys must go:

Priefer. Although it looks like Dallas knew Bailey was done what's up with Carlson. And as mentioned, drafting a K for a team with designs on a SB is not smart.

Barr, he being tied for 229th or whatever in tackles.

Sendejo, for cap and different NFL era reasons.

Remmers. Doesn't appear to be good at anything.

At least one of the TEs to make room for AT LEAST a turn of the century guy. Hell, Green signed Byron Chamberlain.

Treadwell of course.

Gedeon.


Yes! We should look for an upgrade to Rudolph as well. He's a solid player but way overpaid for his talent and productivity.

I'd be ok keeping Rudy on a renegotiated cheaper deal.

Rarely do rookie TE's explode onto the scene. Grooming even with a high TE pick will be needed.



The problem is that Rudolph is on a really old contract. Back when it was signed it was big money. Now, $7M per year is basically what a good TE gets.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/5/2018 8:12:09 PM   
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They lost their edge or urgency they had last year IMO.

Perhaps this year is a hangover.

What I know is they haven’t beat a team yet with a winning record. Philly is going to make a run at that last playoff spot if the Vikings don’t start getting their act together.



And 3 wins vs. SF, Jets, Arizona who are all bottom feeders.


Yeah I'm not worried about the Eagles. Play Dallas next then the Chiefs. They let Washington hand around for 3 quarters (at home) with butt fumble as their QB.

Washington is done.
Carolina has lost 100 straight and are firing coaches.
That takes us to the 10th seed and Tampa bay at 5-7.

I'm calling 8-7-1 makes the playoffs in the NFC. I think we'll have at least 9 wins. But I've been wrong before.

Hmmm... Well maybe with Zimms mindset he has them all right where he wants them...
We back into the playoffs showing no more than vanilla preseason, especially against teams with winning records... give them nothing on tape for when we play them when it counts in playoffs, THEN we unleash the real shit!

Must be why we played the Pats the way we did... If we see them in Super Bowl we have out mastered Billy B and Zimm will call out the dogs when it counts !!!



I'm not excusing our record at 6-5-1 at all. As a fan, I'm pretty unhappy about it. But I reset my expectations after the Buffalo game. I can't be as invested as I was last year. I wasn't ok after the NFCCG for two weeks.

I really thought we were playing vanilla down the stretch last year in game against the Pack and Bears. Turned out it was our strategy for the playoffs.

Hope springs eternal though. I do think our talent can carry us to 4-0 down the stretch. All winnable games. Anything less than 3-1 adds to my angst.

Then anything can happen in the playoffs. But again, my expectations have resent. Expect the worst, hope for the best.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/5/2018 8:27:01 PM   
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I think there is a good chance we take both these games and settle more into the look of a top 5 team capable of winning it all.




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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/5/2018 8:29:53 PM   
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It's simple with me. I like players that play a certain way, with a love for the game, unselfish, aware, determined, focused, etc.. I like coaches who demand Quality play, who teach what they preach, who understand the game no matter what era we are playing in and who walk the same walk they ask of their players. I love the Purple and Gold because it's been in my blood my whole life, never rooted for another team, never cared who won the SB if the Vikings weren't in it, I am only a Viking guy. I don't get attached to players or coaches if they aren't totally focused on the above mentioned principles, if they aren't in this for the Purple and Gold, get the hell out, I've suffered enough to not have full attention being displayed. I tip my cap if we are beat fare and square, but if it's because of a players actions or a coaching staff not getting it done, I'm all for moving on. Give me what I give you, I will never let you down, don't let me down or you will find the door.

I believe this is what Bill B. does with his team. I believe this (and obviously Brady) is one of the key principles that helps him have such long success. He gets the most out of his players whatever their talent level is, your a coach, this is what you are paid to do and if you have a passion for it, it is what you do best.



The red flag went up for me in the Buffalo game. to get blown out at home against a shit team with a rookie QB should not happen.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/5/2018 9:33:42 PM   
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It's simple with me. I like players that play a certain way, with a love for the game, unselfish, aware, determined, focused, etc.. I like coaches who demand Quality play, who teach what they preach, who understand the game no matter what era we are playing in and who walk the same walk they ask of their players. I love the Purple and Gold because it's been in my blood my whole life, never rooted for another team, never cared who won the SB if the Vikings weren't in it, I am only a Viking guy. I don't get attached to players or coaches if they aren't totally focused on the above mentioned principles, if they aren't in this for the Purple and Gold, get the hell out, I've suffered enough to not have full attention being displayed. I tip my cap if we are beat fare and square, but if it's because of a players actions or a coaching staff not getting it done, I'm all for moving on. Give me what I give you, I will never let you down, don't let me down or you will find the door.

I believe this is what Bill B. does with his team. I believe this (and obviously Brady) is one of the key principles that helps him have such long success. He gets the most out of his players whatever their talent level is, your a coach, this is what you are paid to do and if you have a passion for it, it is what you do best.



The red flag went up for me in the Buffalo game. to get blown out at home against a shit team with a rookie QB should not happen.


Yes. But some on here refuse to accept that this is not a good football team.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/5/2018 11:07:45 PM   
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It's simple with me. I like players that play a certain way, with a love for the game, unselfish, aware, determined, focused, etc.. I like coaches who demand Quality play, who teach what they preach, who understand the game no matter what era we are playing in and who walk the same walk they ask of their players. I love the Purple and Gold because it's been in my blood my whole life, never rooted for another team, never cared who won the SB if the Vikings weren't in it, I am only a Viking guy. I don't get attached to players or coaches if they aren't totally focused on the above mentioned principles, if they aren't in this for the Purple and Gold, get the hell out, I've suffered enough to not have full attention being displayed. I tip my cap if we are beat fare and square, but if it's because of a players actions or a coaching staff not getting it done, I'm all for moving on. Give me what I give you, I will never let you down, don't let me down or you will find the door.

I believe this is what Bill B. does with his team. I believe this (and obviously Brady) is one of the key principles that helps him have such long success. He gets the most out of his players whatever their talent level is, your a coach, this is what you are paid to do and if you have a passion for it, it is what you do best.



The red flag went up for me in the Buffalo game. to get blown out at home against a shit team with a rookie QB should not happen.


Yes. But some on here refuse to accept that this is not a good football team.


In my opinion, it looks like most of the Vikings fans I talk with feel the pieces are in place to have an excellent team, they just aren't all on the same page. I don't know what the problem is, I'd have to be in the room with the team to try to understand it, but when I see this many talented players not be effective in so many different ways, I look only in one direction. Hey, Jeff Fisher is an excellent coach, just not the guy you want running the show, the NFL history is full of guys that should have remained an excellent coordinator. It's not a slam on Zim, he just doesn't do a good job as a head coach.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/5/2018 11:30:48 PM   
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These guys must go:

Priefer. Although it looks like Dallas knew Bailey was done what's up with Carlson. And as mentioned, drafting a K for a team with designs on a SB is not smart.

Barr, he being tied for 229th or whatever in tackles.

Sendejo, for cap and different NFL era reasons.

Remmers. Doesn't appear to be good at anything.

At least one of the TEs to make room for AT LEAST a turn of the century guy. Hell, Green signed Byron Chamberlain.

Treadwell of course.

Gedeon.


Yes! We should look for an upgrade to Rudolph as well. He's a solid player but way overpaid for his talent and productivity.

I'd be ok keeping Rudy on a renegotiated cheaper deal.

Rarely do rookie TE's explode onto the scene. Grooming even with a high TE pick will be needed.


That's an old way of thinking. And it's not entirely true.

Engram, Howard, Hernandez, Gronkowski, Reed, Graham, Kelce, Ertz, Njoku, etc...

Our problem is we haven't prioritized the position to keep up with the game. We settle for good enough. But, it's not even that.

Look at what we put on a pass defense. Yes, two excellent WR's, then what? Who else is a threat beyond 10 yards?

Our #3 WR and our pass catching TE can be covered by linebackers.

People really continue to fail to see this as a problem?

Opposing defenses don't. They love it. Two players that can tax a secondary, the rest is making it way too easy.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/6/2018 6:09:16 AM   
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These guys must go:

Priefer. Although it looks like Dallas knew Bailey was done what's up with Carlson. And as mentioned, drafting a K for a team with designs on a SB is not smart.

Barr, he being tied for 229th or whatever in tackles.

Sendejo, for cap and different NFL era reasons.

Remmers. Doesn't appear to be good at anything.

At least one of the TEs to make room for AT LEAST a turn of the century guy. Hell, Green signed Byron Chamberlain.

Treadwell of course.

Gedeon.


Yes! We should look for an upgrade to Rudolph as well. He's a solid player but way overpaid for his talent and productivity.

I'd be ok keeping Rudy on a renegotiated cheaper deal.

Rarely do rookie TE's explode onto the scene. Grooming even with a high TE pick will be needed.



The problem is that Rudolph is on a really old contract. Back when it was signed it was big money. Now, $7M per year is basically what a good TE gets.



spielman just wasn't thinking ahead during last year's draft...he should have been anticipating barr's and rudolph's replacements after drafting a guard....

there is no way barr returns next season and i think that we'll probably keep rudolph in '19 even if we select a te in the first couple of rounds - won't trust a rookie to step in and have success his first year in this offense....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/6/2018 6:54:57 AM   
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Even I'm disappointed with Barr and see no reason to go forward with him. He seems like a guy that doesn't love the game that much or carry much pride playing for us. I can't remember the last impact play he had.

It is what it is...I thought he would be a super star...but that never materialized.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/6/2018 8:37:23 AM   
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Even I'm disappointed with Barr and see no reason to go forward with him. He seems like a guy that doesn't love the game that much or carry much pride playing for us. I can't remember the last impact play he had.

It is what it is...I thought he would be a super star...but that never materialized.

Perfectly said for me, too ... looks like a powerful race car, but there's a Prius engine under the hood.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/6/2018 9:11:29 AM   
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The Vikings roster seems analogous to a medieval castle that was intensely fortified on the front side, including a moat with a long draw bridge and high flanked walls on two sides with guard towers surrounding the three sides. But the engineers ran out of bricks and had to construct a 4 foot wall on the back side just high enough for the archers to shoot over the top at the attacking enemy. Essentially, the Vikings O-line is that back side wall. Take out the archers and the entire castle is open to attack and exposed. An army or fortress is only as strong as its weakest link. The Vikings cannot overcome their horrible O-line and that is on the GM and head coach.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/6/2018 9:12:24 AM   
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Even I'm disappointed with Barr and see no reason to go forward with him. He seems like a guy that doesn't love the game that much or carry much pride playing for us. I can't remember the last impact play he had.

It is what it is...I thought he would be a super star...but that never materialized.

Perfectly said for me, too ... looks like a powerful race car, but there's a Prius engine under the hood.


And a raisin sized brain in between the ears.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/6/2018 10:49:13 AM   
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It's simple with me. I like players that play a certain way, with a love for the game, unselfish, aware, determined, focused, etc.. I like coaches who demand Quality play, who teach what they preach, who understand the game no matter what era we are playing in and who walk the same walk they ask of their players. I love the Purple and Gold because it's been in my blood my whole life, never rooted for another team, never cared who won the SB if the Vikings weren't in it, I am only a Viking guy. I don't get attached to players or coaches if they aren't totally focused on the above mentioned principles, if they aren't in this for the Purple and Gold, get the hell out, I've suffered enough to not have full attention being displayed. I tip my cap if we are beat fare and square, but if it's because of a players actions or a coaching staff not getting it done, I'm all for moving on. Give me what I give you, I will never let you down, don't let me down or you will find the door.

I believe this is what Bill B. does with his team. I believe this (and obviously Brady) is one of the key principles that helps him have such long success. He gets the most out of his players whatever their talent level is, your a coach, this is what you are paid to do and if you have a passion for it, it is what you do best.



Good stuff but speculating about Bill B..... I don't think he uses the team name as a motivator. IOW, I doubt he says ~ the Patriots have a long, rich history, the Patriots motto is success, or whatever.

And more spit-balling here, I wouldn't be surprised if he even invokes the terms winning, win, etc. He seems the type of guy who simply says this is the way things are, you either buy-in or you will be ousted. Then he dictates to the coordinators what he wants, and gets involved in how to make that a reality.

I think the fans and old school owners are the ones who bleed for the team so to speak. Not the players nor the new type of owners who rather fret about the bottom dollar. And coaches, who are more concerned with their record.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/6/2018 10:55:01 AM   
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These guys must go:

Priefer. Although it looks like Dallas knew Bailey was done what's up with Carlson. And as mentioned, drafting a K for a team with designs on a SB is not smart.

Barr, he being tied for 229th or whatever in tackles.

Sendejo, for cap and different NFL era reasons.

Remmers. Doesn't appear to be good at anything.

At least one of the TEs to make room for AT LEAST a turn of the century guy. Hell, Green signed Byron Chamberlain.

Treadwell of course.

Gedeon.


Yes! We should look for an upgrade to Rudolph as well. He's a solid player but way overpaid for his talent and productivity.

I'd be ok keeping Rudy on a renegotiated cheaper deal.

Rarely do rookie TE's explode onto the scene. Grooming even with a high TE pick will be needed.


That's an old way of thinking. And it's not entirely true.

Engram, Howard, Hernandez, Gronkowski, Reed, Graham, Kelce, Ertz, Njoku, etc...

Our problem is we haven't prioritized the position to keep up with the game. We settle for good enough. But, it's not even that.

Look at what we put on a pass defense. Yes, two excellent WR's, then what? Who else is a threat beyond 10 yards?

Our #3 WR and our pass catching TE can be covered by linebackers.

People really continue to fail to see this as a problem?

Opposing defenses don't. They love it. Two players that can tax a secondary, the rest is making it way too easy.



Flip would trade Rudolph for Ertz in a millisecond. He HAS to be thinking G and TE as the offensive priorities. WR... Beebe could make some waves in the slot, although once film is out on him I don't know if his intangibles and fundamentals outweigh his lack of athleticism. And can he tax a secondary deep or is making a living around the LOS enough for 3rd WR in a modern offense?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/6/2018 11:00:21 AM   
Bill Johanesen


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Even I'm disappointed with Barr and see no reason to go forward with him. He seems like a guy that doesn't love the game that much or carry much pride playing for us. I can't remember the last impact play he had.

It is what it is...I thought he would be a super star...but that never materialized.

Perfectly said for me, too ... looks like a powerful race car, but there's a Prius engine under the hood.



After his early success, he was in some commercials and had some media attention. There was mention of his SoCal roots. I think he has Hollywood and its trappings on his mind. Pure speculation of course.

Anthony "Don't Want to Get Dirty" Barr.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/6/2018 11:21:57 AM   
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I think there is a good chance we take both these games and settle more into the look of a top 5 team capable of winning it all.






I don't know when that was written nor what his definition of "good chance" is, but mine is, say, around 75%. IMO, there is a small chance, say, 20% we can turn it around and look like a top 5 team.

The playoffs offer the opportunity. Fans like me will say "You never know, that's why they play the game, etc". But IMO we are far off from LA and NO. We may match up with them talent wise on paper, but a lot of elements are lacking on the field.

So, I will hope. But it won't be a big letdown if we lose. The reaction will be more like that was to be expected. Nonetheless, playing the part of a long-suffering fan, still hoping we get in.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/6/2018 11:59:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

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Even I'm disappointed with Barr and see no reason to go forward with him. He seems like a guy that doesn't love the game that much or carry much pride playing for us. I can't remember the last impact play he had.

It is what it is...I thought he would be a super star...but that never materialized.

Perfectly said for me, too ... looks like a powerful race car, but there's a Prius engine under the hood.



when he didn't get a long-term deal that he liked he took a couple of days off during training camp while he arranged an insurance policy to protect his future earnings - with that came soft play and lost respect...also, because of his play this season he'll most probably never even get an offer as good as the one the vikings put on the table last summer....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/6/2018 12:44:12 PM   
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Even I'm disappointed with Barr and see no reason to go forward with him. He seems like a guy that doesn't love the game that much or carry much pride playing for us. I can't remember the last impact play he had.

It is what it is...I thought he would be a super star...but that never materialized.

Perfectly said for me, too ... looks like a powerful race car, but there's a Prius engine under the hood.



when he didn't get a long-term deal that he liked he took a couple of days off during training camp while he arranged an insurance policy to protect his future earnings - with that came soft play and lost respect...also, because of his play this season he'll most probably never even get an offer as good as the one the vikings put on the table last summer....



He took a week off, but it was the first week of OTAs, not training camp.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/6/2018 2:05:42 PM   
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You know, I don't even give a shit anymore. F all the feel good rankings and records. I just want to win! Just win!



It's the only stat that really matters in the end.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/6/2018 6:20:44 PM   
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If the Vikings don't make the playoffs, I don't see how you keep Zimmer, what's his message going to be going into the off season? Who's he going to blame? Speilman has to be feeling the heat too. Zimmer gets out coached in big games, BB ran circles around him.
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