From: Las Vegas
ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson
ORIGINAL: David Levine
ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson
Especially if they come from a small school, I could see that. They haven't had much of an opportunity to play against first rate competition. In some cases they were tackles in college who will play guard in the NFL.
I do believe the scouts do weigh heavily on the Senior Bowl week- more so the practices than the game. They get to work with them and see how they respond to coaching.
For our team, Harrison Smith became a player that the Vikings coveted. I believe our coaches got to work for one of the two teams at the Senior Bowl that year. If I'm mistaken, the Vikings traded up to get Smith in the draft.
I think the talking to players part has merit. And its a more casual and less staged situation than an interview.
But I'd be leery of changing my opinions based on practices or anything from the actual game itself. There are guys that are great "practicers", but it doesn't translate to the field, and there are guys that just don't "flash" in practice, but always show up on Sunday (or Saturday for college).
You see so many instances of front offices changing their opinions on players that they have 2, 3 or 4 years of tape on because of combine numbers, bowl/tournament games and other things of such small sample size.
Because of an NCAA tourney game and a few practices against his peers, the Timberwolves decided that Johnny Flynn was a better choice than Steph Curry. Or that Ndudi Ebi was a legit NBA prospect because he kind of held his own against LeBron for 10 minutes in a McDonald's All-American game.
We see similar stories all the time in the NFL. Guys with mediocre college careers suddenly become 1st round picks because they wowed at the combine. And then everyone acts stunned when they bust out.
Your point is well taken and I do believe film still is the most important factor in the grading. Still, when it comes to "tie breakers" or choosing a player out of a pack of choices, the Senior Bowl week is huge, I believe. I believe it is more significant than the combine, but I could be wrong.
I agree with that. I do think it has value for sure.
But it always floors me when teams decide to ignore years of game data because a kid wowed them with something months after they last played a meaningful game.