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RE: 2019 NFL Draft - 4/20/2019 12:04:14 AM   
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There was a run on interior offensive linemen in the back half of Round 1 a year ago

Not sure if 2 G's picked at 20 and 21 constitutes a run. But if everyone keeps repeating it I guess it becomes gospel.


Add to that an OT and a C and there were 4 offensive linemen taken between the 15th and 23rd picks. (two before that) The player that was still on the board that I wanted was Mike Daniels, who was later picked by the Bears. I think he did well to help the Bears play better on offense.


1st rd OL 2018
6 G Nelson
9 OT McGlinchey
15 OT Miller
20 G/C Ragnow
21 G/C Price
23 OT Wynn

How did those guys turn out. I'm pretty sure Nelson was considered great. How about the guy Hernandez who many of us clamored for at pick 30 myself included. I think if Dillard or Williams are available at pick 18 we have to take whoever it is. I don't care if Hockenson or Oliver are available.
If the best option is Ford or Bradbury we can consider another position. Hockenson might improve our line and receiving with one pick. That's the way I see it.


Nelson I believe made 1st team all pro

The only negative reports I heard was in (repick of this draft) and both Ragnow and Price fell out of the 1st rd in favor of Hernandez and Daniels.

Yes we should have picked one them 2.

But the point of the post was why all the talking heads keep saying there was a run on interior lineman mid to late round last year. Evidence doesn't support it.

From what I gather, I think they didn't consider Hernandez a scheme fit. I agree I would have preferred Hernandez to Hughes. Said so at the time as did many others. The only consolation is that perhaps Spielman would not have picked O'Neil in the 2nd if he had picked OL in the first. So we ended up with one good O lineman and that's about all we likely were to get last year considering Spielman's modus operandi.

Now I remember I wanted Daniels. I think Hughes was a good pick just bad luck with the injury . If we had picked Daniels who would we have picked round 2?


I was happy with O'Neil at the time. Good question.

< Message edited by Bruce Johnson -- 4/20/2019 12:05:49 AM >


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RE: 2019 NFL Draft - 4/20/2019 1:00:19 AM   
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There was a run on interior offensive linemen in the back half of Round 1 a year ago

Not sure if 2 G's picked at 20 and 21 constitutes a run. But if everyone keeps repeating it I guess it becomes gospel.


Add to that an OT and a C and there were 4 offensive linemen taken between the 15th and 23rd picks. (two before that) The player that was still on the board that I wanted was Mike Daniels, who was later picked by the Bears. I think he did well to help the Bears play better on offense.


1st rd OL 2018
6 G Nelson
9 OT McGlinchey
15 OT Miller
20 G/C Ragnow
21 G/C Price
23 OT Wynn

How did those guys turn out. I'm pretty sure Nelson was considered great. How about the guy Hernandez who many of us clamored for at pick 30 myself included. I think if Dillard or Williams are available at pick 18 we have to take whoever it is. I don't care if Hockenson or Oliver are available.
If the best option is Ford or Bradbury we can consider another position. Hockenson might improve our line and receiving with one pick. That's the way I see it.


Nelson I believe made 1st team all pro

The only negative reports I heard was in (repick of this draft) and both Ragnow and Price fell out of the 1st rd in favor of Hernandez and Daniels.

Yes we should have picked one them 2.

But the point of the post was why all the talking heads keep saying there was a run on interior lineman mid to late round last year. Evidence doesn't support it.

From what I gather, I think they didn't consider Hernandez a scheme fit. I agree I would have preferred Hernandez to Hughes. Said so at the time as did many others. The only consolation is that perhaps Spielman would not have picked O'Neil in the 2nd if he had picked OL in the first. So we ended up with one good O lineman and that's about all we likely were to get last year considering Spielman's modus operandi.

Now I remember I wanted Daniels. I think Hughes was a good pick just bad luck with the injury . If we had picked Daniels who would we have picked round 2?


I was happy with O'Neil at the time. Good question.

Most believed that O'Neil was a pick with potential that would take two or three years before he would be of any use. He turned out better than most expected, but not a star by any means. In Hindsight I wish we had picked Daniels and O'Neil.

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RE: 2019 NFL Draft - 4/20/2019 7:20:08 AM   
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I screamed in despair when we passed on Daniels. Hughes was not on my radar. The last time I did that was for Ponder. Hughes may have been a great choice, though.

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RE: 2019 NFL Draft - 4/20/2019 8:42:35 AM   
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Is there going to be a draft challenge this year?
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RE: 2019 NFL Draft - 4/20/2019 10:01:03 AM   
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There was a run on interior offensive linemen in the back half of Round 1 a year ago

Not sure if 2 G's picked at 20 and 21 constitutes a run. But if everyone keeps repeating it I guess it becomes gospel.


Add to that an OT and a C and there were 4 offensive linemen taken between the 15th and 23rd picks. (two before that) The player that was still on the board that I wanted was Mike Daniels, who was later picked by the Bears. I think he did well to help the Bears play better on offense.


1st rd OL 2018
6 G Nelson
9 OT McGlinchey
15 OT Miller
20 G/C Ragnow
21 G/C Price
23 OT Wynn

How did those guys turn out. I'm pretty sure Nelson was considered great. How about the guy Hernandez who many of us clamored for at pick 30 myself included. I think if Dillard or Williams are available at pick 18 we have to take whoever it is. I don't care if Hockenson or Oliver are available.
If the best option is Ford or Bradbury we can consider another position. Hockenson might improve our line and receiving with one pick. That's the way I see it.


Nelson I believe made 1st team all pro

The only negative reports I heard was in (repick of this draft) and both Ragnow and Price fell out of the 1st rd in favor of Hernandez and Daniels.

Yes we should have picked one them 2.

But the point of the post was why all the talking heads keep saying there was a run on interior lineman mid to late round last year. Evidence doesn't support it.

From what I gather, I think they didn't consider Hernandez a scheme fit. I agree I would have preferred Hernandez to Hughes. Said so at the time as did many others. The only consolation is that perhaps Spielman would not have picked O'Neil in the 2nd if he had picked OL in the first. So we ended up with one good O lineman and that's about all we likely were to get last year considering Spielman's modus operandi.

Shurmer (Giants) picked Hernandez and run the same scheme.

We should have picked Hernandez/Daniels and still picked O'Neal. Nothing wrong with double dipping to shore up the weak link on the team.

But I get your point regarding Spielman's thinking.



Early returns on O'Neill are promising. As of now, continuing the line of thinking RS would have drafted just one OL I'm good with Hughes and O'Neill in comparison to Hernandez and X.
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RE: 2019 NFL Draft - 4/20/2019 10:06:25 AM   
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There was a run on interior offensive linemen in the back half of Round 1 a year ago

Not sure if 2 G's picked at 20 and 21 constitutes a run. But if everyone keeps repeating it I guess it becomes gospel.


Add to that an OT and a C and there were 4 offensive linemen taken between the 15th and 23rd picks. (two before that) The player that was still on the board that I wanted was Mike Daniels, who was later picked by the Bears. I think he did well to help the Bears play better on offense.


1st rd OL 2018
6 G Nelson
9 OT McGlinchey
15 OT Miller
20 G/C Ragnow
21 G/C Price
23 OT Wynn

How did those guys turn out. I'm pretty sure Nelson was considered great. How about the guy Hernandez who many of us clamored for at pick 30 myself included. I think if Dillard or Williams are available at pick 18 we have to take whoever it is. I don't care if Hockenson or Oliver are available.
If the best option is Ford or Bradbury we can consider another position. Hockenson might improve our line and receiving with one pick. That's the way I see it.


Nelson I believe made 1st team all pro

The only negative reports I heard was in (repick of this draft) and both Ragnow and Price fell out of the 1st rd in favor of Hernandez and Daniels.

Yes we should have picked one them 2.

But the point of the post was why all the talking heads keep saying there was a run on interior lineman mid to late round last year. Evidence doesn't support it.

From what I gather, I think they didn't consider Hernandez a scheme fit. I agree I would have preferred Hernandez to Hughes. Said so at the time as did many others. The only consolation is that perhaps Spielman would not have picked O'Neil in the 2nd if he had picked OL in the first. So we ended up with one good O lineman and that's about all we likely were to get last year considering Spielman's modus operandi.

Now I remember I wanted Daniels. I think Hughes was a good pick just bad luck with the injury . If we had picked Daniels who would we have picked round 2?


I was happy with O'Neil at the time. Good question.

Most believed that O'Neil was a pick with potential that would take two or three years before he would be of any use. He turned out better than most expected, but not a star by any means. In Hindsight I wish we had picked Daniels and O'Neil.


A solid starter early in his rookie season = real potential to be a star. If you got that out of a 1st round pick your happy.

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RE: 2019 NFL Draft - 4/20/2019 10:12:03 AM   
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This guy got 83 out of the his top 100 right:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2018/story/_/id/26545857/2019-nfl-draft-jeff-legwold-ranking-top-100-prospects-picks

If the draft goes like his list, chances are the guy we take in the 3rd is basically an unknown (from about pick 65 on).

Spielman will be relentlessly scouring his draft magazines, so fear not.

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RE: 2019 NFL Draft - 4/20/2019 10:37:08 AM   
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I think the smartest thing we can do is take what comes to us. If QB's and DL fly off the board take the best offensive prospect be it OL or TE. Grab the '2nd tier' (remember Hunter wasn't thought of as 1st tier) of this promising D draft in the middle rounds and coach them up.

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RE: 2019 NFL Draft - 4/20/2019 11:24:58 AM   
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I think the smartest thing we can do is take what comes to us. If QB's and DL fly off the board take the best offensive prospect be it OL or TE. Grab the '2nd tier' (remember Hunter wasn't thought of as 1st tier) of this promising D draft in the middle rounds and coach them up.

That approach makes perfect sense. The current set of coaches and/or scouts have done very well with lower-round defensive picks/rookie FAs, but not so well with mid to low-round OL picks. Compare the Willie Beavers and TJ Clemmings to the Holton Hills (fingers crossed), Stephen Weatherlys, and Jayron Kearses.
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RE: 2019 NFL Draft - 4/20/2019 2:57:35 PM   
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If we get an offensive lineman in the first round, then that opens it up so that we can be more flexible in the second and get the best player available at a number of positions. If we get Hockenson or Ed Oliver, about the only players I would consider at #18, then the whole world knows that we need an offensive lineman at #50. We could be easily sniped, and we would almost be forced to trade up from there ourselves. I don't think that Hockenson or Oliver will be there, though.

I'm leaning more and more towards taking the center Bradbury in the first or even McCoy with perhaps a short trade down. I am not sold on moving Reif inside. That didn't work out for Remmers and I'm nervous about that for Reif.

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RE: 2019 NFL Draft - 4/20/2019 4:31:47 PM   
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There was a run on interior offensive linemen in the back half of Round 1 a year ago

Not sure if 2 G's picked at 20 and 21 constitutes a run. But if everyone keeps repeating it I guess it becomes gospel.


Add to that an OT and a C and there were 4 offensive linemen taken between the 15th and 23rd picks. (two before that) The player that was still on the board that I wanted was Mike Daniels, who was later picked by the Bears. I think he did well to help the Bears play better on offense.


1st rd OL 2018
6 G Nelson
9 OT McGlinchey
15 OT Miller
20 G/C Ragnow
21 G/C Price
23 OT Wynn

How did those guys turn out. I'm pretty sure Nelson was considered great. How about the guy Hernandez who many of us clamored for at pick 30 myself included. I think if Dillard or Williams are available at pick 18 we have to take whoever it is. I don't care if Hockenson or Oliver are available.
If the best option is Ford or Bradbury we can consider another position. Hockenson might improve our line and receiving with one pick. That's the way I see it.


Nelson I believe made 1st team all pro

The only negative reports I heard was in (repick of this draft) and both Ragnow and Price fell out of the 1st rd in favor of Hernandez and Daniels.

Yes we should have picked one them 2.

But the point of the post was why all the talking heads keep saying there was a run on interior lineman mid to late round last year. Evidence doesn't support it.

From what I gather, I think they didn't consider Hernandez a scheme fit. I agree I would have preferred Hernandez to Hughes. Said so at the time as did many others. The only consolation is that perhaps Spielman would not have picked O'Neil in the 2nd if he had picked OL in the first. So we ended up with one good O lineman and that's about all we likely were to get last year considering Spielman's modus operandi.

Now I remember I wanted Daniels. I think Hughes was a good pick just bad luck with the injury . If we had picked Daniels who would we have picked round 2?


I was happy with O'Neil at the time. Good question.



I was mixed bag on ONeil. After we picked him, looked up his RAS and it was comparable to very high level LTs over the past 20 years. Several had followed the same path (TE to Tackle). However I didn't expect him to contribute which made me unhappy after a 13-3 season and having high expectations.

In hindsight knowing Mac would take a huge step forward, Hill would fill in adequately and that our oline would cost us 2-3 wins, Daniel and ONeail would have been amazing. No way to know that tho. I did want an IOL or a trade down at 30 (I was at draft party and kept saying that over and over).

There were a lot highish quality CBs available close to our pick. Oliver was there until only a few spots ahead of us. Davis picked right behind us. Loved Oliver and was shocked he made it as far as he did. Have no idea how they collectively did last year.

I would have preferred Hernandez/Daniel and Davis/ONeil vs Hughes/Oneil.

All speculation of course, no way to know if there trade offers at 30 or Vikes board or anything else.

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RE: 2019 NFL Draft - 4/20/2019 4:32:35 PM   
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https://thevikingage.com/2019/04/20/draft-gems-vikings-marcus-green-wr-kr/

I found this highlight video. All I can say is OMG.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuzu1YPuruA

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RE: 2019 NFL Draft - 4/20/2019 5:57:41 PM   
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https://thevikingage.com/2019/04/20/draft-gems-vikings-marcus-green-wr-kr/

I found this highlight video. All I can say is OMG.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuzu1YPuruA

NFL.com has Green projected as a "priority free agent".
Yet, he has 4.39 speed and "plays to his speed".
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RE: 2019 NFL Draft - 4/20/2019 6:55:26 PM   
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He's small and I really don't see him much as a receiver. He pretty much would have to be a specialist. Maybe I'm wrong, but there is a reason he is not rated more highly.

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RE: 2019 NFL Draft - 4/21/2019 1:25:26 PM   
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Rick Spielman gets aggressive to fix a unit long overdue for improvement, sending a package to Miami in order to land Williams, who could instantly see time at either OG or OT blocking for Kirk Cousins. Shipped to the Dolphins as part of the move up: No. 18, No. 81 and CB Mackensie Alexander.

Anyone like Jonah Williams enough to be ok with this mock trade up [CBS sports has it right now] to 13 for him ?

I like it if Williams offers great pass protection, but of course I prefer trading "I'm usually late to get there" Waynes over Alexander.

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RE: 2019 NFL Draft - 4/21/2019 2:35:12 PM   
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Jonah Williams may be the best offensive lineman in the draft for us, but I don't know if he is that much better than some of the other options we can have if we stand pat. Our team doesn't seem to have a boatload of picks and Spielman likes his picks, so I would be very surprised if this trade went down. It's more likely we trade down just a few spots, in my opinion.

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RE: 2019 NFL Draft - 4/21/2019 2:52:05 PM   
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Just looking at this profile I think it is a likely pick for us at @50. What do you think? I think our team likes players with the potential that has not been tapped yet. (ie. like Danielle Hunter)

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/kahale-warring?id=32195741-5275-2700-ebaf-ccabda046f86

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RE: 2019 NFL Draft - 4/21/2019 3:28:13 PM   
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Rick Spielman gets aggressive to fix a unit long overdue for improvement, sending a package to Miami in order to land Williams, who could instantly see time at either OG or OT blocking for Kirk Cousins. Shipped to the Dolphins as part of the move up: No. 18, No. 81 and CB Mackensie Alexander.

Anyone like Jonah Williams enough to be ok with this mock trade up [CBS sports has it right now] to 13 for him ?

I like it if Williams offers great pass protection, but of course I prefer trading "I'm usually late to get there" Waynes over Alexander.

I don't like it. That is giving up a LOT. We might get Williams or Dillard standing pat and some still think Ford is better than both of them.

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RE: 2019 NFL Draft - 4/21/2019 3:29:05 PM   
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Jonah Williams may be the best offensive lineman in the draft for us, but I don't know if he is that much better than some of the other options we can have if we stand pat. Our team doesn't seem to have a boatload of picks and Spielman likes his picks, so I would be very surprised if this trade went down. It's more likely we trade down just a few spots, in my opinion.

Williams himself might be an option if we stand pat.

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RE: 2019 NFL Draft - 4/21/2019 3:31:51 PM   
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Just looking at this profile I think it is a likely pick for us at @50. What do you think? I think our team likes players with the potential that has not been tapped yet. (ie. like Danielle Hunter)

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/kahale-warring?id=32195741-5275-2700-ebaf-ccabda046f86

3rd round maybe. 4th round yes. Too inexperienced and injury prone for my taste to use a premium pick like 2nd round.

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RE: 2019 NFL Draft - 4/21/2019 4:08:42 PM   
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Just looking at this profile I think it is a likely pick for us at @50. What do you think? I think our team likes players with the potential that has not been tapped yet. (ie. like Danielle Hunter)

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/kahale-warring?id=32195741-5275-2700-ebaf-ccabda046f86

3rd round maybe. 4th round yes. Too inexperienced and injury prone for my taste to use a premium pick like 2nd round.


On NFL com he is the fourth rated TE and just a slight notch below Irv Smith who will likely be gone. If tight end is the pick he is a likely candidate. Of course it's really hard to predict a second round draft pick. We have no idea who will be still there on the board.

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RE: 2019 NFL Draft - 4/21/2019 5:06:30 PM   
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Just looking at this profile I think it is a likely pick for us at @50. What do you think? I think our team likes players with the potential that has not been tapped yet. (ie. like Danielle Hunter)

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/kahale-warring?id=32195741-5275-2700-ebaf-ccabda046f86

3rd round maybe. 4th round yes. Too inexperienced and injury prone for my taste to use a premium pick like 2nd round.


On NFL com he is the fourth rated TE and just a slight notch below Irv Smith who will likely be gone. If tight end is the pick he is a likely candidate. Of course it's really hard to predict a second round draft pick. We have no idea who will be still there on the board.

I read the scouting report and he simply didn't sound second round worthy to me.

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RE: 2019 NFL Draft - 4/21/2019 5:20:10 PM   
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Just looking at this profile I think it is a likely pick for us at @50. What do you think? I think our team likes players with the potential that has not been tapped yet. (ie. like Danielle Hunter)

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/kahale-warring?id=32195741-5275-2700-ebaf-ccabda046f86

3rd round maybe. 4th round yes. Too inexperienced and injury prone for my taste to use a premium pick like 2nd round.


On NFL com he is the fourth rated TE and just a slight notch below Irv Smith who will likely be gone. If tight end is the pick he is a likely candidate. Of course it's really hard to predict a second round draft pick. We have no idea who will be still there on the board.

I read the scouting report and he simply didn't sound second round worthy to me.


It's kind of a Ben Gedoon or Danielle Hunter kind of pick where they see a guy who is talented and untapped. It worked for Hunter, but it didn't really for Gedeon. I think they would like this guy because he's not a one trick pony like Noah Fant. One trick ponies are bad because they provide "tells" for what a play will be. Warring could be sneaky good

Here are some comments from Walter Football after the combine:

Kahale Warring looked good in the drills after posting some nice numbers. He ran a 4.67 at 6-5, 252, which was pretty impressive. He also had some nice jumping numbers, posting a 36.5 in the vertical and a 10-2 in the broad.

He ran faster and jumped better than Jace Sternberger even though he is slightly bigger. His size and numbers were pretty close to Hockenson. His time was faster, but his others measurables were just under Hockenson while being an inch taller. He's only played the position for a year, i believe. Maybe I'm wrong about that, but he is developing and he wasn't playing at tight end U. (Iowa)

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RE: 2019 NFL Draft - 4/21/2019 5:35:22 PM   
Bruce Johnson

 

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Here's more on Warring:

Route-Running - Shocking polish as a route runner despite limited usage and experience. Snaps his hips back to the ball out of breaks and shows terrific footwork to open quickly to the quarterback without delayed gear-downs. Route tree is decently limited due to the offense, but you still see flashes of more complex patterns like post-corners and vertical routes.


https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/kahale-warring

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Competitive Toughness - One of the first things you look for from a convert to a relatively new sport (Warring played just one year of football before college) who has spent limited time on the field is how physical they are. Warring isn't nasty in his play demeanor, but he competes at a high level, takes blocking seriously and won't be punked by aggressive defenders. Work ethic and character are heralded at SDSU.

Warring has the quickness and speed of a big wide receiver, but the length of a tight end and the biceps of a greek god. His routes and releases are already surprisingly polished, and while he can improve a bit as a blocker and continue to sharpen his ball skills, the work ethic and football character attributed to him at San Diego State bodes well for him reaching his high ceiling. Time this man gets the love he deserves as a top 100 prospect.


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RE: 2019 NFL Draft - 4/21/2019 5:52:34 PM   
Bruce Johnson

 

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This analyst rates him as the third best prospect at tight end in draft, although admitting he needs some development time. If Rudolph is the main guy for one year the plan could be for him to be the guy in a year.

https://www.nbcsports.com/video/2019-nfl-draft-profile-kahale-warring-san-diego-state

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