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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/11/2019 3:02:16 AM   
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I take all of these cuts personally. I don't know why. I'm glad that Dillon is still a Viking. Personally I would rather keep him than Rudolph. That's me. Rudolph had a holding penalty last Sunday. He's a lousy blocker so he has to cheat. I'm thrilled about the blocking of Irv Smith, though. Maybe that made Dillon less necessary.


I heard Conklin got dinged up




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I'm told that Brandon Dillon, waived by the #Vikings, could have other options. More will known if he clears waivers.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/11/2019 6:12:54 AM   
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I take all of these cuts personally. I don't know why. I'm glad that Dillon is still a Viking. Personally I would rather keep him than Rudolph. That's me. Rudolph had a holding penalty last Sunday. He's a lousy blocker so he has to cheat. I'm thrilled about the blocking of Irv Smith, though. Maybe that made Dillon less necessary.


I heard Conklin got dinged up




Chris Tomasson@christomasson
I'm told that Brandon Dillon, waived by the #Vikings, could have other options. More will known if he clears waivers.

Beyond the salary cap implications, this could be one of the opportunity costs to paying Rudolph to stay. With Rudolph getting older and Morgan injured so often, Dillon might not be that far off from making a meaningful contribution.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/11/2019 6:57:09 AM   
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You have to love on successive plays Cousins throws a pass to Dalvin in the flat who gets tackled for no gain.Falcons LBer Deon Jones

stands over Cook celebrating as the broadcast team lauds about how Jones is the best LBer in the league nobody knows about.

Next play Dalvin absolutely trucks over that same Jones about 25 yards down the field. Dalvin changes the scoreboard two plays later from 19 yards out.

Special player w/ better blocking bodes well.

Favorite play of the game, Dalvin trucking a guy who had him lined up
Dudes a real football player
Still think he hits the hole faster than any back we've had
I'm sure that will get shot down, but it just appears that way to me.
Love how he bursts thru small openings.
That can make a shitty O line look ok. An ok O line look good, and an above-average O Line look fantastic.
Hope we keep growing what we saw, and I hope we realize the scouting that will be done on us from this point on.
Creativity in play-calling is going to start to get more important every week. Starting now.


Cook is so fun to watch.

Very smooth and explosive.
(seems like a contradictory statement, but he is smooth and fast! )


I told my buddy here to draft Cook in FF; that he'd be monster this year. First time in 17 years I don't have a FF team, kinda nice to turn off the games after the Vikes played.

Cook reminds me a bit of Robert Smith. He could hit the hole and be through it with the best of them (pls Cook & AP among the top Vikes I've seen speed through the hole). Smith was also deceptively fast, so smooth, you didn't realize the chunks of yards he was eating up. Loved the debate on who would be faster Smith or Moss.

Cook is fast, but not Moss/Smith fast. However, Cook runs with more power and is harder to tackle. Robert Smith so fast and seldom gets recognition for it. As I said before I have seen Randy Moss get caught from behind. Have never seen Robert Smith get caught from behind. Not saying I'm just saying.

I think you're mistaken about Smith not getting recognition for being fast. My recollection was that it was often mentioned that he ran the 100M in college, and I would imagine that OSU is reasonably competitive nationally.

No question he was recognized as fast. Just not recognized as fast as he actually is. One of the fastest ever in the NFL. I'm not saying he was faster than Moss, but I'm not saying Moss was faster than him either.

Michael Bennett was the fastest.

he was a contestant, but no. I've seen him play and Moss and Smith. Moss and Smith were both faster.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/11/2019 7:25:08 AM   
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Moss and Smith didn't wear much for pads...so in pads they were faster.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/11/2019 7:45:38 AM   
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Moss had the best official combine 40 time, although Bennett was also sub 4.3. Both of them are mentioned in this article. Robert Smith did not do as well in the combine 40, but we all know he had those long strides and higher gear.

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2564409-the-fastest-nfl-players-of-the-last-20-years.amp.html

Commenting on one of Moss's long run-after-the-catch TDs, Dennis Green said, "That's what 4.1 speed looks like."
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/11/2019 7:59:01 AM   
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This was interesting to watch.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1171549874443059200

What is it?


Every running play by the Vikings in order of shortest to longest gains. It just keeps getting better and better.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/11/2019 8:05:50 AM   
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Fair points.

https://thevikingage.com/2019/09/11/3-thing-minnesota-vikings-improve-before-week-2/

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/11/2019 8:10:22 AM   
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I'd like us to get 3 wins under our belts before being tested. Chicago being the tester. Not that I'm afraid of them but it's a divisional foe on the road where we don't always do well. So in that game escaping with a win by a point or 3 is fine with me. Then of course I want us to keep rolling. 8-0 before facing Dallas and KC on the road. Split those 2 and we are in the drivers seat.

Let's continue on with another non tester though....Vikes 42 GB 17.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/11/2019 8:31:27 AM   
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I'd like us to get 3 wins under our belts before being tested. Chicago being the tester. Not that I'm afraid of them but it's a divisional foe on the road where we don't always do well. So in that game escaping with a win by a point or 3 is fine with me. Then of course I want us to keep rolling. 8-0 before facing Dallas and KC on the road. Split those 2 and we are in the drivers seat.

Let's continue on with another non tester though....Vikes 42 GB 17.

It would bother the hell out of me if we gave up 17 to the Puke. I can live with 10. 42-10.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/11/2019 8:47:59 AM   
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This games me nervous. I'm a nervous fan, though.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/11/2019 8:49:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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You have to love on successive plays Cousins throws a pass to Dalvin in the flat who gets tackled for no gain.Falcons LBer Deon Jones

stands over Cook celebrating as the broadcast team lauds about how Jones is the best LBer in the league nobody knows about.

Next play Dalvin absolutely trucks over that same Jones about 25 yards down the field. Dalvin changes the scoreboard two plays later from 19 yards out.

Special player w/ better blocking bodes well.

Favorite play of the game, Dalvin trucking a guy who had him lined up
Dudes a real football player
Still think he hits the hole faster than any back we've had
I'm sure that will get shot down, but it just appears that way to me.
Love how he bursts thru small openings.
That can make a shitty O line look ok. An ok O line look good, and an above-average O Line look fantastic.
Hope we keep growing what we saw, and I hope we realize the scouting that will be done on us from this point on.
Creativity in play-calling is going to start to get more important every week. Starting now.


Cook is so fun to watch.

Very smooth and explosive.
(seems like a contradictory statement, but he is smooth and fast! )


I told my buddy here to draft Cook in FF; that he'd be monster this year. First time in 17 years I don't have a FF team, kinda nice to turn off the games after the Vikes played.

Cook reminds me a bit of Robert Smith. He could hit the hole and be through it with the best of them (pls Cook & AP among the top Vikes I've seen speed through the hole). Smith was also deceptively fast, so smooth, you didn't realize the chunks of yards he was eating up. Loved the debate on who would be faster Smith or Moss.

Cook is fast, but not Moss/Smith fast. However, Cook runs with more power and is harder to tackle. Robert Smith so fast and seldom gets recognition for it. As I said before I have seen Randy Moss get caught from behind. Have never seen Robert Smith get caught from behind. Not saying I'm just saying.

I think you're mistaken about Smith not getting recognition for being fast. My recollection was that it was often mentioned that he ran the 100M in college, and I would imagine that OSU is reasonably competitive nationally.

No question he was recognized as fast. Just not recognized as fast as he actually is. One of the fastest ever in the NFL. I'm not saying he was faster than Moss, but I'm not saying Moss was faster than him either.

Michael Bennett was the fastest.

he was a contestant, but no. I've seen him play and Moss and Smith. Moss and Smith were both faster.


Well if YOU'VE seen them all play then it must be true
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/11/2019 10:24:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

You have to love on successive plays Cousins throws a pass to Dalvin in the flat who gets tackled for no gain.Falcons LBer Deon Jones

stands over Cook celebrating as the broadcast team lauds about how Jones is the best LBer in the league nobody knows about.

Next play Dalvin absolutely trucks over that same Jones about 25 yards down the field. Dalvin changes the scoreboard two plays later from 19 yards out.

Special player w/ better blocking bodes well.

Favorite play of the game, Dalvin trucking a guy who had him lined up
Dudes a real football player
Still think he hits the hole faster than any back we've had
I'm sure that will get shot down, but it just appears that way to me.
Love how he bursts thru small openings.
That can make a shitty O line look ok. An ok O line look good, and an above-average O Line look fantastic.
Hope we keep growing what we saw, and I hope we realize the scouting that will be done on us from this point on.
Creativity in play-calling is going to start to get more important every week. Starting now.


Cook is so fun to watch.

Very smooth and explosive.
(seems like a contradictory statement, but he is smooth and fast! )


I told my buddy here to draft Cook in FF; that he'd be monster this year. First time in 17 years I don't have a FF team, kinda nice to turn off the games after the Vikes played.

Cook reminds me a bit of Robert Smith. He could hit the hole and be through it with the best of them (pls Cook & AP among the top Vikes I've seen speed through the hole). Smith was also deceptively fast, so smooth, you didn't realize the chunks of yards he was eating up. Loved the debate on who would be faster Smith or Moss.

Cook is fast, but not Moss/Smith fast. However, Cook runs with more power and is harder to tackle. Robert Smith so fast and seldom gets recognition for it. As I said before I have seen Randy Moss get caught from behind. Have never seen Robert Smith get caught from behind. Not saying I'm just saying.

I think you're mistaken about Smith not getting recognition for being fast. My recollection was that it was often mentioned that he ran the 100M in college, and I would imagine that OSU is reasonably competitive nationally.

No question he was recognized as fast. Just not recognized as fast as he actually is. One of the fastest ever in the NFL. I'm not saying he was faster than Moss, but I'm not saying Moss was faster than him either.

Michael Bennett was the fastest.

he was a contestant, but no. I've seen him play and Moss and Smith. Moss and Smith were both faster.


Well if YOU'VE seen them all play then it must be true

I wonder where Dillon ranks in there. (pretty dang high if you study the tape)
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/11/2019 10:30:21 AM   
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Mike Zimmer said Mackensie Alexander’s MRI went “pretty good” and “we’ll see” if the team will be without him on Sunday.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/11/2019 10:33:30 AM   
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#Vikings coach Mike Zimmer said Mackensie Alexander's elbow MRI turned out pretty good and he could play this week. "Who said I'm going to be without him?''

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/11/2019 10:34:53 AM   
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A meaty article.

https://vikingsterritory.com/2019/analysis/how-kevin-stefanski-and-gary-kubiak-are-turning-the-vikings-running-attack-around/amp?__twitter_impression=true

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/11/2019 10:36:28 AM   
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#Vikings Anthony Harris named NFC Defensive Play Of The Week.
No surprise here after a 3 takeaway performance to open the '19 season.

#BeenKnown😤 #SKOL. (Vikings Nation on Twitter)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/11/2019 10:38:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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You have to love on successive plays Cousins throws a pass to Dalvin in the flat who gets tackled for no gain.Falcons LBer Deon Jones

stands over Cook celebrating as the broadcast team lauds about how Jones is the best LBer in the league nobody knows about.

Next play Dalvin absolutely trucks over that same Jones about 25 yards down the field. Dalvin changes the scoreboard two plays later from 19 yards out.

Special player w/ better blocking bodes well.

Favorite play of the game, Dalvin trucking a guy who had him lined up
Dudes a real football player
Still think he hits the hole faster than any back we've had
I'm sure that will get shot down, but it just appears that way to me.
Love how he bursts thru small openings.
That can make a shitty O line look ok. An ok O line look good, and an above-average O Line look fantastic.
Hope we keep growing what we saw, and I hope we realize the scouting that will be done on us from this point on.
Creativity in play-calling is going to start to get more important every week. Starting now.


Cook is so fun to watch.

Very smooth and explosive.
(seems like a contradictory statement, but he is smooth and fast! )


I told my buddy here to draft Cook in FF; that he'd be monster this year. First time in 17 years I don't have a FF team, kinda nice to turn off the games after the Vikes played.

Cook reminds me a bit of Robert Smith. He could hit the hole and be through it with the best of them (pls Cook & AP among the top Vikes I've seen speed through the hole). Smith was also deceptively fast, so smooth, you didn't realize the chunks of yards he was eating up. Loved the debate on who would be faster Smith or Moss.

Cook is fast, but not Moss/Smith fast. However, Cook runs with more power and is harder to tackle. Robert Smith so fast and seldom gets recognition for it. As I said before I have seen Randy Moss get caught from behind. Have never seen Robert Smith get caught from behind. Not saying I'm just saying.

I think you're mistaken about Smith not getting recognition for being fast. My recollection was that it was often mentioned that he ran the 100M in college, and I would imagine that OSU is reasonably competitive nationally.

No question he was recognized as fast. Just not recognized as fast as he actually is. One of the fastest ever in the NFL. I'm not saying he was faster than Moss, but I'm not saying Moss was faster than him either.

Michael Bennett was the fastest.

he was a contestant, but no. I've seen him play and Moss and Smith. Moss and Smith were both faster.


Well if YOU'VE seen them all play then it must be true

I wonder where Dillon ranks in there. (pretty dang high if you study the tape)


So, at a minimum, you've seen the tape on Dillon?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/11/2019 10:40:25 AM   
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#Vikings coach Mike Zimmer said Mackensie Alexander's elbow MRI turned out pretty good and he could play this week. "Who said I'm going to be without him?''


Ha! And y'all probably thought I was being ridiculous when I said he'd just need to ice it!My kind of player!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/11/2019 10:43:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

You have to love on successive plays Cousins throws a pass to Dalvin in the flat who gets tackled for no gain.Falcons LBer Deon Jones

stands over Cook celebrating as the broadcast team lauds about how Jones is the best LBer in the league nobody knows about.

Next play Dalvin absolutely trucks over that same Jones about 25 yards down the field. Dalvin changes the scoreboard two plays later from 19 yards out.

Special player w/ better blocking bodes well.

Favorite play of the game, Dalvin trucking a guy who had him lined up
Dudes a real football player
Still think he hits the hole faster than any back we've had
I'm sure that will get shot down, but it just appears that way to me.
Love how he bursts thru small openings.
That can make a shitty O line look ok. An ok O line look good, and an above-average O Line look fantastic.
Hope we keep growing what we saw, and I hope we realize the scouting that will be done on us from this point on.
Creativity in play-calling is going to start to get more important every week. Starting now.


Cook is so fun to watch.

Very smooth and explosive.
(seems like a contradictory statement, but he is smooth and fast! )


I told my buddy here to draft Cook in FF; that he'd be monster this year. First time in 17 years I don't have a FF team, kinda nice to turn off the games after the Vikes played.

Cook reminds me a bit of Robert Smith. He could hit the hole and be through it with the best of them (pls Cook & AP among the top Vikes I've seen speed through the hole). Smith was also deceptively fast, so smooth, you didn't realize the chunks of yards he was eating up. Loved the debate on who would be faster Smith or Moss.

Cook is fast, but not Moss/Smith fast. However, Cook runs with more power and is harder to tackle. Robert Smith so fast and seldom gets recognition for it. As I said before I have seen Randy Moss get caught from behind. Have never seen Robert Smith get caught from behind. Not saying I'm just saying.

I think you're mistaken about Smith not getting recognition for being fast. My recollection was that it was often mentioned that he ran the 100M in college, and I would imagine that OSU is reasonably competitive nationally.

No question he was recognized as fast. Just not recognized as fast as he actually is. One of the fastest ever in the NFL. I'm not saying he was faster than Moss, but I'm not saying Moss was faster than him either.

Michael Bennett was the fastest.

he was a contestant, but no. I've seen him play and Moss and Smith. Moss and Smith were both faster.


Well if YOU'VE seen them all play then it must be true

I wonder where Dillon ranks in there. (pretty dang high if you study the tape)


So, at a minimum, you've seen the tape on Dillon?

never. nor does it stop me from making outrageous statements with complete certainty.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/11/2019 10:47:02 AM   
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Top Graded #Vikings on offense yesterday via @PFF

- Adam Thielen 85.0
- CJ Ham 78.4
- Chad Beebe 73.2

Lowest Graded #Vikings on offense yesterday
- Garrett Bradbury 35.1
- Ameer Abdullah 48.5
- Pat Elflein 58.1

(Matt Anderson on Twitter)

I saw some film breakdown on Bradbury and he was instrumental in several of our best plays. Do people actually care about what PFF has to say?

I heard, don't know how true it is, That Chris Collinsworth is part owner or a high level executive for PFF.

That's was all I needed to know.

No useful information there at all.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/11/2019 10:55:33 AM   
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Top Graded #Vikings on offense yesterday via @PFF

- Adam Thielen 85.0
- CJ Ham 78.4
- Chad Beebe 73.2

Lowest Graded #Vikings on offense yesterday
- Garrett Bradbury 35.1
- Ameer Abdullah 48.5
- Pat Elflein 58.1

(Matt Anderson on Twitter)

I saw some film breakdown on Bradbury and he was instrumental in several of our best plays. Do people actually care about what PFF has to say?

I heard, don't know how true it is, That Chris Collinsworth is part owner or a high level executive for PFF.

That's was all I needed to know.

No useful information there at all.



Why does it have to be that PFF is either the bible or 'no useful information at all'? On a scale of 1-100 with 1 being no useful information at all and 100 being rock solid nailed it I'd say PFF sits at about a 65-70. It's better for certain positions and worse for others. The majority of their guesswork comes in trying to determine what the players' assignments were on any particular play. Easy for WR, RB, TE, DE, S, CB, and to some extent - QB. Very hard for T, G, C, DT, and to some extent - LB.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/11/2019 10:59:28 AM   
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The problem with PFF IMO is that the concept of advanced analytics in football is in its infancy and football is a difficult more difficult sport to create good advanced stats. There is so much more context to football stats than most other sports.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/11/2019 11:03:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Top Graded #Vikings on offense yesterday via @PFF

- Adam Thielen 85.0
- CJ Ham 78.4
- Chad Beebe 73.2

Lowest Graded #Vikings on offense yesterday
- Garrett Bradbury 35.1
- Ameer Abdullah 48.5
- Pat Elflein 58.1

(Matt Anderson on Twitter)

I saw some film breakdown on Bradbury and he was instrumental in several of our best plays. Do people actually care about what PFF has to say?

I heard, don't know how true it is, That Chris Collinsworth is part owner or a high level executive for PFF.

That's was all I needed to know.

No useful information there at all.



Why does it have to be that PFF is either the bible or 'no useful information at all'? On a scale of 1-100 with 1 being no useful information at all and 100 being rock solid nailed it I'd say PFF sits at about a 65-70. It's better for certain positions and worse for others. The majority of their guesswork comes in trying to determine what the players' assignments were on any particular play. Easy for WR, RB, TE, DE, S, CB, and to some extent - QB. Very hard for T, G, C, DT, and to some extent - LB.

So you are rating a wildly inconsistent scale with your own arbitrary scale as 65-70% accurate?

< Message edited by Tom Sykes -- 9/11/2019 11:05:28 AM >
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/11/2019 11:09:39 AM   
thebigo


Posts: 25405
Joined: 7/14/2007
Status: online
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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Top Graded #Vikings on offense yesterday via @PFF

- Adam Thielen 85.0
- CJ Ham 78.4
- Chad Beebe 73.2

Lowest Graded #Vikings on offense yesterday
- Garrett Bradbury 35.1
- Ameer Abdullah 48.5
- Pat Elflein 58.1

(Matt Anderson on Twitter)

I saw some film breakdown on Bradbury and he was instrumental in several of our best plays. Do people actually care about what PFF has to say?


I saw some film breakdown on Elflein and he was instrumental in several of our best plays.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/11/2019 11:31:33 AM   
David Levine


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ORIGINAL: David F.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Top Graded #Vikings on offense yesterday via @PFF

- Adam Thielen 85.0
- CJ Ham 78.4
- Chad Beebe 73.2

Lowest Graded #Vikings on offense yesterday
- Garrett Bradbury 35.1
- Ameer Abdullah 48.5
- Pat Elflein 58.1

(Matt Anderson on Twitter)

I saw some film breakdown on Bradbury and he was instrumental in several of our best plays. Do people actually care about what PFF has to say?

I heard, don't know how true it is, That Chris Collinsworth is part owner or a high level executive for PFF.

That's was all I needed to know.

No useful information there at all.



Why does it have to be that PFF is either the bible or 'no useful information at all'? On a scale of 1-100 with 1 being no useful information at all and 100 being rock solid nailed it I'd say PFF sits at about a 65-70. It's better for certain positions and worse for others. The majority of their guesswork comes in trying to determine what the players' assignments were on any particular play. Easy for WR, RB, TE, DE, S, CB, and to some extent - QB. Very hard for T, G, C, DT, and to some extent - LB.


My favorites are the people that quote PFF when the results are positive and crucify them when they're negative.

They're far from the "be-all-end-all", but they're a useful supplemental piece of information.
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