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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/11/2019 6:22:33 PM

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Eagles at Vikings

The Eagles will play without CB Ronald Darby (hamstring), WR DeSean Jackson (abdomen), DT Timmy Jernigan (foot), CB Avonte Maddox (concussion, neck), and RB Darren Sproles (quadricep) on Sunday.

Vikings LB Ben Gedeon (concussion) and G Josh Kline (foot) have been ruled out. LB Kentrell Brothers (hamstring, wrist) is listed as questionable.

It's a gift that Jackson, and the CBs are out.

Hurts Kline is out. Wilson is better than Gedeon.

+1 on Wilson. He is better than Gedeon, especially in the passing game. We might miss Kline, but I think that we should be able to move the ball against a depleted eagles defense.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/11/2019 6:33:36 PM

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Eagles at Vikings

The Eagles will play without CB Ronald Darby (hamstring), WR DeSean Jackson (abdomen), DT Timmy Jernigan (foot), CB Avonte Maddox (concussion, neck), and RB Darren Sproles (quadricep) on Sunday.

Vikings LB Ben Gedeon (concussion) and G Josh Kline (foot) have been ruled out. LB Kentrell Brothers (hamstring, wrist) is listed as questionable.

It's a gift that Jackson, and the CBs are out.

Hurts Kline is out. Wilson is better than Gedeon.

+1 on Wilson. He is better than Gedeon, especially in the passing game. We might miss Kline, but I think that we should be able to move the ball against a depleted eagles defense.

We thought that about da Bears too......
I sure hope you are right.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/11/2019 8:18:20 PM

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Per Profootball Talk:

Eagles at Vikings

The Eagles will play without CB Ronald Darby (hamstring), WR DeSean Jackson (abdomen), DT Timmy Jernigan (foot), CB Avonte Maddox (concussion, neck), and RB Darren Sproles (quadricep) on Sunday.

Vikings LB Ben Gedeon (concussion) and G Josh Kline (foot) have been ruled out. LB Kentrell Brothers (hamstring, wrist) is listed as questionable.

It's a gift that Jackson, and the CBs are out.

Hurts Kline is out. Wilson is better than Gedeon.

Even Wilson's MOM was wavering on that point.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/11/2019 8:21:13 PM

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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/10/11/zach-brown-trashes-kirk-cousins-ahead-of-sundays-game/

“Cousins, I think every defense is going to want that guy to throw the ball,” Brown said. “For me, that’s probably the weakest part of their offense is him. Everything else is good. They’ve got a good running game, probably one of the best in the league. They have real good receivers.

“You just want them to pass the ball. You want Kirk Cousins to get it in his hands.”

Brown and Cousins played together in Washington in 2017, before Cousins signed his $84 million guaranteed deal with the Vikings.

“I realized when I was in Washington, he was kind of careless with the ball. But at the same time, hey, you make the bed you sleep in, . . .” Brown said. “Make him frustrated back there. “First we have to stop the run, and then make him frustrated back there. Our main concern is stopping the run because if they can run the ball, they’re going to win.”

For all the money they spent on a quarterback, Brown has a point about the Vikings. They’re currently third in the league in rushing, and 29th in the league in passing. The Eagles are the near-perfect complement, first in the league in run defense but 27th against the pass.

Isn't Zach brown a country singer? What does ne know about football? I think Kirk will carve up the philthy defense.

Pretty sure the country singing version could put up the #s the football playing version has put up.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/11/2019 10:43:14 PM

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Eagles at Vikings

The Eagles will play without CB Ronald Darby (hamstring), WR DeSean Jackson (abdomen), DT Timmy Jernigan (foot), CB Avonte Maddox (concussion, neck), and RB Darren Sproles (quadricep) on Sunday.

Vikings LB Ben Gedeon (concussion) and G Josh Kline (foot) have been ruled out. LB Kentrell Brothers (hamstring, wrist) is listed as questionable.

It's a gift that Jackson, and the CBs are out.

Hurts Kline is out. Wilson is better than Gedeon.

Even Wilson's MOM was wavering on that point.

As well she should. I like both of them for different reasons, but both have strengths and weaknesses. Wilson is much better in the passing game, but Gedeon is much more instinctive, better tackler and better against the run. He's not flashy, I'll give you that, but the guy is solid doing what he is asked to do for this defense and doesn't get the credit he deserves in this thread for sure..

Im not worried about him not playing because I think we will need to focus more on their passing game, Wilsons strength.

Kline is a bummer because after watching the tape, he played well last week and has been steady when available. Our interior Oline is in for a day of it, that's for sure. We have to be able to run off tackle this Sunday and hope to get the short to intermediate passing game going, this will be a solid test for Cousins, one I am not so sure he will pass. I'd love for him to start making me have some confidence in his ability to play against the better teams.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/12/2019 8:06:55 AM

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I don't recall Kline getting hurt last week. That is a blow to our interior blocking. Dozier needs to step up.

Key to this game will be to get Cousins going early getting rid of the ball quickly.

I'm afraid Zim will try to establish the run and get us in some 3rd and long early. If Cousins gets knocked around early he may well be useless the rest of the game.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/12/2019 9:08:09 AM

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Kirk Cousins has one of the largest disparities between his standard QB rating (which is 100, somewhat surprisingly to me) and his QBR, the ESPN advanced metric (Kirk's is 36.3, with 50 representing average). Does this suggest he has done well in garbage time, e.g., 4th quarter against Chicago? Or is it a reflection of his fumbles (not accounted for in the standard rating)? The other QB that stands out similarly is Marcus Mariota, with a 103 standard rating and 36.7 QBR. Mariota has been sacked 22 times, which is hard to imagine (Kirk has been sacked 11 times).

Lamar Jackson (selected two spots after Mike Hughes in last year's draft) is having a good year, both passing and rushing (e.g., 18 first downs rushing). At 10 runs per game, I wonder how well he'll hold up physically.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/12/2019 9:24:24 AM

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Gedeon is replacement level. Instinctive? He had zero TFL last year even though he played 30% of the snaps. Had to have been the only player on defense with significant snaps that did register a TFL.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/12/2019 9:40:09 AM

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Gedeon is replacement level. Instinctive? He had zero TFL last year even though he played 30% of the snaps. Had to have been the only player on defense with significant snaps that did register a TFL.

Wilson clearly is more athletic and more upside. He was all over the field making 11 tackles when Barr couldn't go a couple weeks ago.

Might be draft status as to why gedeon is ahead of him on the depth chart. But even if Gedeon were healthy I think Wilson would get the nod to replace either Barr or kendricks.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/12/2019 9:44:01 AM

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Gedeon is replacement level. Instinctive? He had zero TFL last year even though he played 30% of the snaps. Had to have been the only player on defense with significant snaps that did register a TFL.

Wilson clearly is more athletic and more upside. He was all over the field making 11 tackles when Barr couldn't go a couple weeks ago.

Might be draft status as to why gedeon is ahead of him on the depth chart. But even if Gedeon were healthy I think Wilson would get the nod to replace either Barr or kendricks.

We do have a history of making this mistake...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/12/2019 11:28:37 AM

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Can't help but think back when Tomlin was DC (we had #1 defense against the rush) and the Patriots came to town boasting the #1 rushing offense.

Similar to the current Eagle defense our back end was terrible against the pass. The Pats didn't even try to run the ball and just threw, threw, and threw their way to a blow out victory.

We need to have a similar game plan against the Eagles. To me this is an acid test for Zimmer. Are you going to game plan to your opponents weakness or run smack dab into their strength.

Actually our pass defense was one of the best in the league that year, but point taken, it was not nearly as good as our run defense, which was borderline historic.

I could be wrong but wasn't that in 2006 when we were 31st in the league against the pass and allowed less than 1000 yards rushing on the season? Could be getting my years mixed up.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/12/2019 11:55:43 AM

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Can't help but think back when Tomlin was DC (we had #1 defense against the rush) and the Patriots came to town boasting the #1 rushing offense.

Similar to the current Eagle defense our back end was terrible against the pass. The Pats didn't even try to run the ball and just threw, threw, and threw their way to a blow out victory.

We need to have a similar game plan against the Eagles. To me this is an acid test for Zimmer. Are you going to game plan to your opponents weakness or run smack dab into their strength.

Actually our pass defense was one of the best in the league that year, but point taken, it was not nearly as good as our run defense, which was borderline historic.

I could be wrong but wasn't that in 2006 when we were 31st in the league against the pass and allowed less than 1000 yards rushing on the season? Could be getting my years mixed up.

You are correct

Defensive coordinator[edit]
Tomlin was selected by Vikings' head coach Brad Childress to be his defensive coordinator in 2006.[4][5]

Two of the players on the Vikings roster were older than Tomlin, and Tomlin had been a teammate of Vikings' safety Darren Sharper while at William and Mary. The 2006 Vikings finished with the NFL's eighth-best overall defense, but had the unusual distinction of finishing as the top-ranked defense against the run[6] and the worst-ranked defense against the pass.[7]

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/12/2019 3:54:27 PM

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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/10/12/vikings-promote-cameron-smith-waive-davion-davis/

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/12/2019 5:06:47 PM

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Can't help but think back when Tomlin was DC (we had #1 defense against the rush) and the Patriots came to town boasting the #1 rushing offense.

Similar to the current Eagle defense our back end was terrible against the pass. The Pats didn't even try to run the ball and just threw, threw, and threw their way to a blow out victory.

We need to have a similar game plan against the Eagles. To me this is an acid test for Zimmer. Are you going to game plan to your opponents weakness or run smack dab into their strength.

Actually our pass defense was one of the best in the league that year, but point taken, it was not nearly as good as our run defense, which was borderline historic.

I could be wrong but wasn't that in 2006 when we were 31st in the league against the pass and allowed less than 1000 yards rushing on the season? Could be getting my years mixed up.

That's because nobody ran against us. We were 5th in the league in opponents passer rating (lower than the team that was the best pass defense in the NFL according to you, based on the mostly meaningless total yards), gave up only 15 TDs (4th in the NFL), had 21 INTs (5th in the NFL), and 12th in the league in average yards per attempt against.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/12/2019 5:09:06 PM

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Can't help but think back when Tomlin was DC (we had #1 defense against the rush) and the Patriots came to town boasting the #1 rushing offense.

Similar to the current Eagle defense our back end was terrible against the pass. The Pats didn't even try to run the ball and just threw, threw, and threw their way to a blow out victory.

We need to have a similar game plan against the Eagles. To me this is an acid test for Zimmer. Are you going to game plan to your opponents weakness or run smack dab into their strength.

Actually our pass defense was one of the best in the league that year, but point taken, it was not nearly as good as our run defense, which was borderline historic.

I could be wrong but wasn't that in 2006 when we were 31st in the league against the pass and allowed less than 1000 yards rushing on the season? Could be getting my years mixed up.

You are correct

Defensive coordinator[edit]
Tomlin was selected by Vikings' head coach Brad Childress to be his defensive coordinator in 2006.[4][5]

Two of the players on the Vikings roster were older than Tomlin, and Tomlin had been a teammate of Vikings' safety Darren Sharper while at William and Mary. The 2006 Vikings finished with the NFL's eighth-best overall defense, but had the unusual distinction of finishing as the top-ranked defense against the run[6] and the worst-ranked defense against the pass.[7]

per wiki

If it says it on the interweb/Wiki, it has to be true, eh?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/12/2019 8:36:06 PM

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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/10/12/its-been-30-years-since-the-infamous-herschel-walker-trade/

Happy 30th anniversary to the Herschel Walker Trade!

Percieved as ONE player/ piece away from Super Bowl doninance...

Sort of like another recent signing at a key skill position that will end up being judged for what it was when all is said and done...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/13/2019 7:16:49 AM

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I was driving southbound on 35-W yesterday afternoon. With police escort thee were about 5 Lorenz newer buses heading northbound. I assumed that it was the Eagles being transported to their hotel from the airport. I could be wrong, but I wondered who else it could be. That's a lot of buses, though. They have equipment and equipment managers and staff on that bus. There are a lot coaches and assistant coaches. I imagine that there are about 63 players. Perhaps one bus was for the media following the team. Still, that's a lot of buses.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/13/2019 9:40:12 AM

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Can't help but think back when Tomlin was DC (we had #1 defense against the rush) and the Patriots came to town boasting the #1 rushing offense.

Similar to the current Eagle defense our back end was terrible against the pass. The Pats didn't even try to run the ball and just threw, threw, and threw their way to a blow out victory.

We need to have a similar game plan against the Eagles. To me this is an acid test for Zimmer. Are you going to game plan to your opponents weakness or run smack dab into their strength.

Actually our pass defense was one of the best in the league that year, but point taken, it was not nearly as good as our run defense, which was borderline historic.

I could be wrong but wasn't that in 2006 when we were 31st in the league against the pass and allowed less than 1000 yards rushing on the season? Could be getting my years mixed up.

You are correct

Defensive coordinator[edit]
Tomlin was selected by Vikings' head coach Brad Childress to be his defensive coordinator in 2006.[4][5]

Two of the players on the Vikings roster were older than Tomlin, and Tomlin had been a teammate of Vikings' safety Darren Sharper while at William and Mary. The 2006 Vikings finished with the NFL's eighth-best overall defense, but had the unusual distinction of finishing as the top-ranked defense against the run[6] and the worst-ranked defense against the pass.[7]

per wiki

If it says it on the interweb/Wiki, it has to be true, eh?

I don't think WIKI is in the habit of printing lies.

You are right that we were a decent pass defense stat wise going into the NE game. But after Bellicek showed how to beat our defense the league followed suit the balance of the season by not even trying to run on us and just throwing. We finished 6-10

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/13/2019 9:59:20 AM

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I was driving southbound on 35-W yesterday afternoon. With police escort thee were about 5 Lorenz newer buses heading northbound. I assumed that it was the Eagles being transported to their hotel from the airport. I could be wrong, but I wondered who else it could be. That's a lot of buses, though. They have equipment and equipment managers and staff on that bus. There are a lot coaches and assistant coaches. I imagine that there are about 63 players. Perhaps one bus was for the media following the team. Still, that's a lot of buses.

I always wonder why these team convoys need a police escort and who pays for it.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/13/2019 10:00:34 AM

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Pretty quiet in here for game day

Appears the negative nellies have ran most of the posters off

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/13/2019 10:02:19 AM

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I was driving southbound on 35-W yesterday afternoon. With police escort thee were about 5 Lorenz newer buses heading northbound. I assumed that it was the Eagles being transported to their hotel from the airport. I could be wrong, but I wondered who else it could be. That's a lot of buses, though. They have equipment and equipment managers and staff on that bus. There are a lot coaches and assistant coaches. I imagine that there are about 63 players. Perhaps one bus was for the media following the team. Still, that's a lot of buses.

I always wonder why these team convoys need a police escort and who pays for it.

Tax payers ofcourse you can't expect these billion dollar owners to pony up

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/13/2019 10:41:28 AM

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Pretty quiet in here for game day

Appears the negative nellies have ran most of the posters off

I saw NO ONE being negative this week, What runs posters off is a team that one cannot gauge from week to week what its going to do and gives one little comfort that we are dominant in all phases and ready to take on winning teams...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/13/2019 11:14:59 AM

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IF the Ol plays at least average we win. We can't have another Bear game performance.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/13/2019 11:29:32 AM

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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/10/11/zach-brown-trashes-kirk-cousins-ahead-of-sundays-game/

“Cousins, I think every defense is going to want that guy to throw the ball,” Brown said. “For me, that’s probably the weakest part of their offense is him. Everything else is good. They’ve got a good running game, probably one of the best in the league. They have real good receivers.

“You just want them to pass the ball. You want Kirk Cousins to get it in his hands.”

Brown and Cousins played together in Washington in 2017, before Cousins signed his $84 million guaranteed deal with the Vikings.

“I realized when I was in Washington, he was kind of careless with the ball. But at the same time, hey, you make the bed you sleep in, . . .” Brown said. “Make him frustrated back there. “First we have to stop the run, and then make him frustrated back there. Our main concern is stopping the run because if they can run the ball, they’re going to win.”

For all the money they spent on a quarterback, Brown has a point about the Vikings. They’re currently third in the league in rushing, and 29th in the league in passing. The Eagles are the near-perfect complement, first in the league in run defense but 27th against the pass.

Isn't Zach brown a country singer? What does ne know about football? I think Kirk will carve up the philthy defense.

Pretty sure the country singing version could put up the #s the football playing version has put up.

Zach Brown is the best new country singer of this millennium.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/13/2019 11:47:19 AM

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IF the Ol plays at least average we win. We can't have another Bear game performance.

I was thinking the same thing and hope we sit Rudy and add an extra offensive lineman to help our blocking so KFC doesn't get skittish early and also to help the running game. The eagles secondary is weak right now and the key is getting some time to throw.

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