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RE: For comparison's sake - 11/3/2009 11:57:27 AM

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I like the board when it gets a little fiesty with the debates about how awful our safeties are or how stupid Wilf would be to extend Childress now or why do we run a zone blocking scheme or why doesnt DJ have a USC jersey (oops not that one ).

I thought we were getting just too agreeable there for a minute it and it was starting to feel a little queer.

We need some disagreements going on in here because it could be the key to the season.

So far it had been pretty pissy in here all year, nothing that bad, just posters being posters.

I say we keep it up and I'll start it off!

I am sorry to say that Wilf will extend Childress before the playoffs and he will not hire one of the damn good coaches out there because the difference in price will be at least 2 mil.

Favre is the main reason our offense is clicking because he can recognize the blitz. I am sure most of you boneheads read the statements from the GB defenders about how Favre was pointing out their blitzes. Also, if you recall we were last against the blitz last year so that was the strategy employed by defenses all last year.

We should have had DJack on our team instead of Tyrell thatis for sure although that may have meant we would not have taken Harvin this year.

Luckily the season does not end today, so who gives a rats ass where we are ranked or what some jackass says on TV about us.

Lastly, we need to draft jermain gresham in the first round next year if he is sitting there. We can pick up a walrus to play DT iin round 2, 3, or 4.

The only QB we should take is Tebow period!

There.

Now lets get to it and not ruin the mojo of this season by being all agreeable!

It is quite sickening!

I'll start

I'm sure the rest of our division hopes we get Tebow as well. They will look forward to the 4 year learning curve of Tebow playing in an offense where you actually have to take the ball from under center and turn your back on the defense.

They will enjoy Tebow being enough of an athlete to make some decent runs while not being a good enough QB to win against solid defenses and consequently mire the Vikings in 9-7 to 10-6 records and early playoff exits (if we make the playoffs at all) while wasting the talents of Harvin and Rice...

Just when I think this board is getting rational...

BTW- if Wilf keeps BC it will not be b/c of saving $. It will be b/c of advice from Pitt. owners who believe you only change coaches as a last resort. The continuity of keeping a coach offsets the setbacks of changing. (or maybe its the pictures BC has...)

Picture of who?

So far its cost Wilf millions so that you never find out who...

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RE: For comparison's sake - 11/3/2009 12:02:23 PM

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7-1, just swept the pukers going into our bye week, to put a stranglehold on the division

AD needs to learn how to run

safeties suck

MLB sux

CBs cant cover

owner sux because of rumors of a contract extension

something doesnt add up

what the hell would this place sound like at 8-0?

i guess some people just stare at warts all day

as for me, i am enjoying the season, it only comes down to Jan/Feb anyway

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RE: Kluwe - 11/3/2009 12:03:24 PM

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One other thought from last night's game;

apparently Will Smith has the strength of giants and can part the seas.

i didn't realize that.

Dude, did you SEE Independence Day?

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RE: For comparison's sake - 11/3/2009 12:04:19 PM

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7-1, just swept the pukers going into our bye week, to put a stranglehold on the division

AD needs to learn how to run

safeties suck

MLB sux

CBs cant cover

owner sux because of rumors of a contract extension

something doesnt add up

what the hell would this place sound like at 8-0?

i guess some people just stare at warts all day

as for me, i am enjoying the season, it only comes down to Jan/Feb anyway

7-1 to be sure..but could be just as easily 5-3. This is not a perfect team. There are holes and flaws that if they don't get them shored up or dealt with in some way before the playoffs...we wont be playing long in Jan/Feb.

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RE: For comparison's sake - 11/3/2009 12:14:01 PM

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JC -

I appreciate your comments on the d-line/pressure/sacks and the lack of coverage. I am not discounting that much.

What I will say, based on watching the games, is that when the game has been tight, our pass defense seems to be playing well. When the game gets out of hand (we have big leads) and teams go into almost a 2-minute drill, our pass defense drops off considerably. In those instances, I see a d-line that does not get much pressure and a backfiled that makes mistakes and is also playing in a passive manner.

I agree our CB/S need to play better. But I also see teams putting up a lot of their passing stats on us when they are well behind in the game.

My questions is: why? Are guys tired? Changing schemes? Mental lapses?

I mean GB didn't do shit the first half of that game, kinda like BAL. Then when well behind, they generated some big plays passing the ball. What changed?

The PIT game was tight the whole way and the passing defense played very well.

IMHO, there is something going on in the pass defense we are playing when we are ahead by 7-10+.

That MUST be fixed. But I do not see it as an indicator that our pass defense overall sucks. I think it has the capability to ge good/very good (not excellent). I would love to do some film study with some coaches film and see what is different in those situations.

PS - when do all of our sacks come? When the game is close, or when the opponent is well behind and passing a ton more? I say it is the former.

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RE: For comparison's sake - 11/3/2009 12:20:26 PM

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Here is my point

Defensive lines don't get any better than ours at applying pressure. Right now, it is the best in the NFL by a wide margin.

Therefore, if you are looking to improve the pass defense you should look at the coverage ability of the back 7 and the schemes of the DC.

No line is going to be able to get pressure every drive. This isn't the 85 Bears.

The other 7 have to start earning their keep

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Where's the Chilly love? - 11/3/2009 1:16:51 PM

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I have an honest question:

Why the hate for Chilly?

He said that his offense would be KA and with a very good QB, it is. He's gotten good talent in FA and through the draft. So why are many against a contract extension for him? I haven't seen that his play calling is all that poor (granted, I've only really watched 2 Viking games this year) and the team is disciplined.

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RE: Where's the Chilly love? - 11/3/2009 1:21:02 PM

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I have an honest question:

Why the hate for Chilly?

He said that his offense would be KA and with a very good QB, it is. He's gotten good talent in FA and through the draft. So why are many against a contract extension for him? I haven't seen that his play calling is all that poor (granted, I've only really watched 2 Viking games this year) and the team is disciplined.

I think he's fine. His teams have gotten better each year, he understands you have to have playmakers to win in this league, his teams are tough and can win on the road.

He's not perfect, and probably has some things to work on.

My only real gripe was his stubborness to stick with an unproven QB, who had shown little in this league to warrant a starters job.

I think playcalling is a work in progress, getting better, they seem to be learning from their mistakes, which I like.

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RE: For comparison's sake - 11/3/2009 1:24:03 PM

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My 2 cents (a day late and probably a dollar short):

1. Great win! We never seem to make it easy but I'll take the "W" anytime. 7-1...going into a bye week....playing Detroit in MN when we come back....guys like Winfield, Berrian, Harvin, Favre and AD getting some much needed rest. The future's so bright....well, you know the rest

2. Couldn't believe the non-fumble call on GB early in the game. How was that play any different than when AD got stripped in the Metrodome vs. the Puckers and they ran it back for a TD? If anything, the AD play was much closer to forward progress being stopped.

3. Chester with a nice 3rd down catch and run early on. I wish he would have admitted to screwing up against Pitt but I still like the guy.

4. I liked the 4th and goal play and I liked the 4th and 1 play deep in GB territory. Impose your will!! It wont' always work but I liked the decisions.

5. Once again this week.....Carter-esque hands by Rice. We have 3 legitimate weapons at WR right now.

6. Great field position most of the day. Our special teams have been the difference this season IMO.

7. Our pass protection has been stellar over the last few weeks. Loadholt looks like a real find at RT and our line, which was a big concern of mine coming into the season, looks set for years to come.

8. Robison....ARE YOU F-ING KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This play let the Puckers back in the game and gave them momentum. Then...after the game...he doesn't just say "I screwed up" which really pisses me off. Even my wife was yelling "just fall down you big idiot!!"

9. The screen to AD was a thing of beauty. We NEED to start using that more in our gameplans. I think the cohesiveness that the o-line is developing will allow us to do some things we weren't able to do early on in the season.

10. Many said these 3 games would tell us a lot about our team. 2 out of 3 isn't bad. Pitt and Bal both could have gone the other way but we were close to being 3-0. We outplayed those teams for big stretches at a time..actually dominated them. We still haven't done it for 60 minutes yet but there's still time. I have a good feeling (he says with fingers crossed).

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RE: Where's the Chilly love? - 11/3/2009 1:29:19 PM

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Here is some detail on our sacks (after going through all the game replays):

When losing: 5
Ahead by 0-4: 8
Ahead by 5-10: 6
Ahead by 11-14: 7
Ahead by 15: 4

Losing to ahead by 10: 19
Leading by 11+: 11

By Qtr:
1st:7
2nd: 7
3rd: 6
4th: 10

By half:
1st: 14
2nd: 16

14 of the 30 against GB. 7 of those were second half sacks. 6 of those were sacks when we were up by 10+. GB games "distort" sack totals somewhat, including the amount we get when ahead and later in the game. Other than the GB games - where we have a huge mismatch in our favor, we get more sacks early on and when the game is closer.

Two games with 1 sack, one game with 2 sacks, one game with 3 sacks.

< Message edited by Lars -- 11/3/2009 1:33:57 PM >

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RE: For comparison's sake - 11/3/2009 1:30:17 PM

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7-1, just swept the pukers going into our bye week, to put a stranglehold on the division

AD needs to learn how to run

safeties suck

MLB sux

CBs cant cover

owner sux because of rumors of a contract extension

something doesnt add up

what the hell would this place sound like at 8-0?

i guess some people just stare at warts all day

as for me, i am enjoying the season, it only comes down to Jan/Feb anyway

7-1 to be sure..but could be just as easily 5-3. This is not a perfect team. There are holes and flaws that if they don't get them shored up or dealt with in some way before the playoffs...we wont be playing long in Jan/Feb.

i would be worried if there was a perfect team, but there isnt

we have the team to compete against everyone

the rest of the season is just practice for the real games in jan/feb

pass defense is below average, but all we have to do is get hot for 3 games

a refreshed AW will be back in a few weeks, and then we will roll the dice with what we have

and nobody will convince me that we dont have a shot

especially after watching NO last night

i have heard way too many times.....we cant stop warner and his receivers, we cant stop brees and his receivers, ben rothlisrapist will tear us up

that is crap, IMO.....we have a team that can play anyone, anywhere, anytime

does that guarantee wins...nope

but BRING IT ON

unlike some others i am not afraid of NO, Feables, or anybody

SKOL!!!!!!!!!!

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vote for percy harvin, rookie of the week, again

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RE: For comparison's sake - 11/3/2009 1:31:20 PM

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if anybody is interested the vikes/pack game is available on itunes for $2.99

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RE: For comparison's sake - 11/3/2009 1:47:01 PM

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New Orleans would obviously be a tough game....especially in their house. That being said, they are far from unbeatable. I think we would have a lot of success running and throwing the ball against them. Our defense would have to improve greatly, but I think we have the talent and time for that to happen.

Bring 'em on!!!

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RE: For comparison's sake - 11/3/2009 1:47:37 PM

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Sorry Doc

The moment you stop working to get better you get worse

Lars

No matter how you slice it, we get good pressure. The problem is the back 7

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RE: For comparison's sake - 11/3/2009 1:55:06 PM

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Anyone get a reason why there wasn't a penalty called on the BB TD? That one was a head scratcher.

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RE: For comparison's sake - 11/3/2009 1:55:15 PM

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You can't beat yourself against New Orleans.

Atlanta missed 2 FGs, Ryan threw a horrible "pick 6", and threw a second INT in the red zone on a late drive that would've tied the game up.

It was remarkably like our game against Pittsburgh.

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RE: For comparison's sake - 11/3/2009 1:56:59 PM

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JC - I know the back 7 needs to get better. I have no doubt about that and have not said differently.

But keep in mind that nearly 50% of our sacks came in 25% of our games (the 2 GB games where Allen has his opponent totally outmatched both on the DL and at QB).

87% of our sacks have come when we are up by 2 TD or less. When we have been up by more than that - which is when teams have been piling on the passing yards - is when we have had very few sacks.

So - when we are ahead by a lot, teams rack up passing yards, and that is also when we are getting our fewest number of sacks. Tells me that when we are way ahead, we aren't getting the pressure. This is consistent with what I have seen in the games. Play after play, we rush our DL, they are run around the pocket, don't get there or get held - while the QB finds a big hole in the zone. As the play continues, the rush is less and less effective so we bring blitzes, further exposing the CB/S, with LB and DB that don't get to the QB either - and we give up even more yards.

IMHO, it is an issue related to pressure, stamina, scheme, laying off, poor play by the CB/S, confusion, etc...

I don't put it all on the back 7. They are part of the problem, but giving up the big passing yards when we are way ahead is a failure of the entire defense from the coahes on down. The data shows this, as do my eyes from watching the games.

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RE: For comparison's sake - 11/3/2009 1:57:26 PM

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Anyone get a reason why there wasn't a penalty called on the BB TD? That one was a head scratcher.

I was watching the replay again and that penalty might've given us the TD. Harris grabbed him by the helmet opening, and pretty much threw him by his head into the end zone.

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RE: For comparison's sake - 11/3/2009 1:58:28 PM

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You can't beat yourself against New Orleans.

Atlanta missed 2 FGs, Ryan threw a horrible "pick 6", and threw a second INT in the red zone on a late drive that would've tied the game up.

It was remarkably like our game against Pittsburgh.

Yeah - it was like it in that they had some chances late in the game. The thing about the PIT game is that we outplayed them completely, and then gave it to them at the end with a couple brainfarts. I would not say ATL outplayed NO at all.

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RE: For comparison's sake - 11/3/2009 1:59:11 PM

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Anyone get a reason why there wasn't a penalty called on the BB TD? That one was a head scratcher.

I was watching the replay again and that penalty might've given us the TD. Harris grabbed him by the helmet opening, and pretty much threw him by his head into the end zone.

It was just weird because it was such an obvious one with nothing in the way to block the refs view.

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RE: For comparison's sake - 11/3/2009 2:00:14 PM

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i would be worried if there was a perfect team, but there isnt

we have the team to compete against everyone

I agree. We can compete against anyone. Every team has holes and flaws...and good coaches exploit them. In the playoffs we will not be facing the Browns, Lions and likely not the Packers either. We will be facing the Giants, Eagles, Saints...all beatable...but all with the capability to beat us.

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the rest of the season is just practice for the real games in jan/feb

I've been arguing this with JC in another thread. NO GAME can be taken for granted...they are all important wrt getting to Jan/Feb and being in the best position to win in Jan/Feb (HFA?)

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pass defense is below average, but all we have to do is get hot for 3 games

Conversely, all we have to do is get cold for one and we're done in Jan/Feb.

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a refreshed AW will be back in a few weeks, and then we will roll the dice with what we have

and nobody will convince me that we dont have a shot

Never said we don't have a shot...but there's a lot to be concerned about.

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especially after watching NO last night

yep, and I think we match up well with them.

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i have heard way too many times.....we cant stop warner and his receivers, we cant stop brees and his receivers, ben rothlisrapist will tear us up

that is crap, IMO.....we have a team that can play anyone, anywhere, anytime

does that guarantee wins...nope

but BRING IT ON

unlike some others i am not afraid of NO, Feables, or anybody

SKOL!!!!!!!!!!

We've shown we can beat the best or at least play with them. I worry about every game though. Been disappointed too many times.

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RE: For comparison's sake - 11/3/2009 2:00:57 PM

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You can't beat yourself against New Orleans.

Atlanta missed 2 FGs, Ryan threw a horrible "pick 6", and threw a second INT in the red zone on a late drive that would've tied the game up.

It was remarkably like our game against Pittsburgh.

Yeah - it was like it in that they had some chances late in the game. The thing about the PIT game is that we outplayed them completely, and then gave it to them at the end with a couple brainfarts. I would not say ATL outplayed NO at all.

I'd say outside of the mistakes, they went toe-to-toe with them. And they ran at will up and down the field.

But like us against Pittsburgh, they made too many mistakes against a good team.

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RE: For comparison's sake - 11/3/2009 2:01:02 PM

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Anyone get a reason why there wasn't a penalty called on the BB TD? That one was a head scratcher.

I was watching the replay again and that penalty might've given us the TD. Harris grabbed him by the helmet opening, and pretty much threw him by his head into the end zone.

It was just weird because it was such an obvious one with nothing in the way to block the refs view.

After watching again, I still think it was a major missed call. He clearly tackled him by the opening of the helmet - clear 15-yarder.

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RE: For comparison's sake - 11/3/2009 2:01:12 PM

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Anyone get a reason why there wasn't a penalty called on the BB TD? That one was a head scratcher.

Duh. the Vikings were playing in GB. There's always a rash of blantant calls they miss when we play there.

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RE: For comparison's sake - 11/3/2009 2:02:38 PM

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You can't beat yourself against New Orleans.

Atlanta missed 2 FGs, Ryan threw a horrible "pick 6", and threw a second INT in the red zone on a late drive that would've tied the game up.

It was remarkably like our game against Pittsburgh.

Yeah - it was like it in that they had some chances late in the game. The thing about the PIT game is that we outplayed them completely, and then gave it to them at the end with a couple brainfarts. I would not say ATL outplayed NO at all.

I'd say outside of the mistakes, they went toe-to-toe with them. And they ran at will up and down the field.

But like us against Pittsburgh, they made too many mistakes against a good team.

The Saints had their miscues that kept ATL in the game, too. NO ran the ball quite well, also.

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