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RE: Preseason: Wiz vs Griz - 11/4/2009 3:38:15 PM   
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Doh! My bad.

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RE: Preseason: Wiz vs Griz - 11/5/2009 1:46:19 PM   
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This is just flat out ridiculous, much as I would love it if this crazy, crazy, crazy scenario happened:

http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/smith_091102.html

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RE: Preseason: Wiz vs Griz - 11/5/2009 2:05:36 PM   
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This is just flat out ridiculous, much as I would love it if this crazy, crazy, crazy scenario happened:

http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/smith_091102.html


That has to be one of the stupider pieces I recall perusing. Why would LeBron want to go to LA? Even if they win the title there would always be the question about him riding Kobe's coattails. And the same for Kobe; he is such a nut job that he couldn't figure a way to coexist with Shaq. No way Kobe wants to be on the same team with someone who would steal his thunder. Kobe is all about Kobe. And there is no way Cleveland takes out the trash for the Lakers.
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RE: Preseason: Wiz vs Griz - 11/5/2009 2:08:15 PM   
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Well, Shaq WAS the problem there, as the author correctly points out.

But otherwise, yes, that article is ridiculous. That was my point.

I mean, yes, Bynum is about as good a player as you're going to get in a package (young/talented/relatively cheap/center), but there's still just no way.

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RE: Preseason: Wiz vs Griz - 11/5/2009 2:20:33 PM   
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I'm really shocked by that article.

Shocked that Sam Smith didn't write about how LeBron and Kobe were both going to end up in Chicago.
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RE: Preseason: Wiz vs Griz - 11/5/2009 2:27:13 PM   
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I would really like to see Bosh or Wade in Chicago with Rose. That'd be a lot of fun for the league IMO.

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RE: Preseason: Wiz vs Griz - 11/5/2009 2:59:59 PM   
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I would really like to see Bosh or Wade in Chicago with Rose. That'd be a lot of fun for the league IMO.


Chicago is a nice market and all, but it's just a slightly-warmer Minneapolis. Look for Wade to be running the triangle for Rambis in 2010!
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RE: Preseason: Wiz vs Griz - 11/5/2009 3:51:27 PM   
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I would really like to see Bosh or Wade in Chicago with Rose. That'd be a lot of fun for the league IMO.


Chicago is a nice market and all, but it's just a slightly-warmer Minneapolis. Look for Wade to be running the triangle for Rambis in 2010!


Wade's FROM Chicago!

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RE: Preseason: Wiz vs Griz - 11/5/2009 3:58:19 PM   
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I would really like to see Bosh or Wade in Chicago with Rose. That'd be a lot of fun for the league IMO.


I think Bosh would make more sense from a basketball standpoint. I'm not sure Rose and Wade would work that well together - both are score first guys that really need the ball in their hands.
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RE: Preseason: Wiz vs Griz - 11/5/2009 4:04:59 PM   
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Ya, I kind of agree with that about Rose/Wade. Though I think they'd create ridiculous matchup problems on offense and be a ridiculously talented duo on defense.

Bosh would be a perfect fit for them though, absolutely. He's basically what they've been missing for years, a younger version of Jermaine in a lot of ways.

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RE: Preseason: Wiz vs Griz - 11/5/2009 4:10:18 PM   
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There isn't enough basketballs for Wade and Rose to co-exist in the same back court.

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RE: Preseason: Wiz vs Griz - 11/5/2009 4:21:14 PM   
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I think the biggest problem would be their skillsets are so similar. I've seen Rose for sometime as a PG version of Wade. Both are tremendous players. But it still COULD work based on defense and mismatches.

Still, I do agree that Bosh is a better fit.

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RE: Preseason: Wiz vs Griz - 11/5/2009 4:24:24 PM   
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Obviously a small sample size, but an interesting read:

Insider

HOUSTON -- "Welcome to my world, Phil."

That's what 14 other Western Conference coaches are thinking after watching how the Lakers have had to scratch and claw their way to an uneven 4-1 start in the absence of Pau Gasol, who has been out with a hamstring injury.

While mentioning L.A.'s one-sided trade for Gasol two years ago remains the most expedient way to enrage a member of any other Western Conference coaching staff, L.A.'s ability to keep its head above water is reminiscent of a less-discussed aspect of that deal: The Lakers already were chasing the West's best record at the time of the trade.

That said, the Lakers' rockier-than-the-record-shows start (they've won two OT games and scored only five points more than the opposition thus far) also reflects another reality that's a huge departure from two seasons ago. Back then, the Lakers bench was monstrously productive, providing a 10-deep framework around Kobe Bryant that didn't demand he put up monstrous numbers -- or minutes -- for L.A. to win.

This season? Not so much. Shannon Brown, a key spark for the second unit in last year's postseason, has struggled to a 10.67 PER in the first five games … and most of the other Lakers reserves look upon his numbers with jealousy. Sasharapova Vujacic can't get out of his own way, with only four points on the season, and is in danger of falling out of the rotation entirely. Ditto for Luke Walton, who is still looking for his first free throw attempt and seemed tentative in his limited run last night. Jordan Farmar? Not even close. Despite his talents, he's shooting 29.4 percent from the floor with as many turnovers as assists.

The result is something that's come as a shock to veteran Lakers watchers: Jackson has been going to the whip hard and heavy in the season's first nine days. L.A. has three starters averaging more than 40 minutes a game -- something no player in the league did a year ago. While that's been exacerbated by the two overtime games, Kobe Bryant would be at 39.6 just with his regulation minutes.

The other trend that's less visible on the stat sheet but palpable to anyone in the gym is the absence of Gasol's length. With a healthy Gasol alongside Andrew Bynum and Lamar Odom, L.A. towers over most opponents in the paint.

Wednesday night, once again, the Lakers were killed on the defensive boards -- at times it seemed the Rockets' best play was having Trevor Ariza pass the ball off the rim to Carl Landry. In fact, allow me to present the year's most shocking stat thus far: L.A. is dead last in Defensive Rebound Rate at a paltry 67.3 percent.

Presumably, that will change once Gasol returns in the next few days. While it's unlikely he'll be available for the Scratchy Bearded Spanish Center world championships on Friday against brother Marc in Memphis, the Lakers seem optimistic that he could return early next week after an MRI confirmed his hamstring injury was only a strain.

But even with that good, there's some bad. Gasol's return would remove from the rotation the only L.A. reserve who has played anything resembling decent basketball. Josh Powell is off to a splendid start and earned praise from Jackson last night for a strong stint in the second quarter. Worse yet, Gasol may be coming just as his bookend 7-footer is going. Center Andrew Bynum hurt his elbow toward the end of last night's win in Houston and will be evaluated Thursday.

If both players can come back and Lamar Odom can return to his sixth man role, perhaps the worries over L.A.'s bench are all much ado about nothing. That's particularly true if L.A. can still swing a trade for some more backcourt help, with Adam Morrison's expiring $5.3 million deal providing the most obvious trading chip.

But the worry is that Jackson's riding of the starters so heavily so early will have damaging consequences as we get into the spring. Bryant is in exquisite shape, but he's 31 with more miles on his legs than any other 31-year-old in league history; perhaps it's hubris to take his indestructibility for granted. Veterans like Odom and Ron Artest are no spring chickens either, while Bynum's injury history makes him a risk with this much use.

Coming off an overtime game the previous night, Jackson said before the Houston game that he would need his bench and was reluctant to criticize it afterward. He's always saved his biggest daggers for pregame and shootarounds, so perhaps we'll hear something before they meet the Grizzlies on Friday.

But really, he doesn't have to say anything. What spoke volumes was his calling timeout to get Bryant back into the game after a mere 1:46 rest at the start of the fourth quarter because the Rockets were quickly pulling away. That can work as a one-off strategy in selected spots, and perhaps Jackson saw last night as such a case with Gasol's return imminent and 14 of the next 16 games at home.

If it's a nightly event, however, it will have huge implications down the road. Bryant can keep the Lakers afloat with his superman routine on any given night, but for L.A. to remain a top contender in June, the second unit is going to have to start pulling its weight.
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RE: Preseason: Wiz vs Griz - 11/5/2009 4:25:38 PM   
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I think the biggest problem would be their skillsets are so similar. I've seen Rose for sometime as a PG version of Wade. Both are tremendous players. But it still COULD work based on defense and mismatches.

Still, I do agree that Bosh is a better fit.


It could work. But I think it would come at the expense of both players. They'd both still be good, but I think the whole would be less than the sum of the parts.
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RE: Preseason: Wiz vs Griz - 11/5/2009 4:34:28 PM   
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Ya, could be.

I think that article is exactly what he says it might be; much ado about nothing. Gasol changes everything. And it's such an incredibly small sample size. You can't read much into 5 games at the beginning of the season at all.

Plus, I'd fully expect the Lakers to make a trade for another bench guy midseason. Probably of the PG variety.

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RE: Preseason: Wiz vs Griz - 11/6/2009 6:29:47 PM   
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You can't read much into 5 games at the beginning of the season at all.





Boy I hope your right D.

My Blazers look about as out of sync as anyone in the league right now.

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RE: Preseason: Wiz vs Griz - 11/7/2009 1:29:40 AM   
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My Blazers look about as out of sync as anyone in the league right now.


Well they beat the Spurs, who seem to be struggling
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RE: Preseason: Wiz vs Griz - 11/7/2009 7:15:03 AM   
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You can't read much into 5 games at the beginning of the season at all.





Boy I hope your right D.

My Blazers look about as out of sync as anyone in the league right now.

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Man, at least on paper, that team is loaded with talent.

What do you think of their 3 guard lineup that they used last night? That was the first Blazers game I watched this season, have they been using that lineup a lot?
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RE: Preseason: Wiz vs Griz - 11/7/2009 8:05:37 AM   
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You can't read much into 5 games at the beginning of the season at all.





Boy I hope your right D.

My Blazers look about as out of sync as anyone in the league right now.

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Man, at least on paper, that team is loaded with talent.

What do you think of their 3 guard lineup that they used last night? That was the first Blazers game I watched this season, have they been using that lineup a lot?



Hey Pete, no actually I've never seen that lineup, even in preseason. I'm not sure what to think about that lineup other then the fact that they won with it the first time they tried it. Miller should the starting point but he doesn't mesh as well with BRoy to this point. They both play better with the ball in their hands.

Lamarcus Aldridge, and many of the other Blazers are just wildly inconsistent thus far this year. Probably the most consistent is Oden, however they don't have anyone who consistently will feed him in the post, so he's wasted most of the time.

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RE: Preseason: Wiz vs Griz - 11/7/2009 9:17:35 AM   
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Surprised to see the Suns spoil the fun in Boston last night.
The latest talent distribution has made the league pretty interesting this year, imo.
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RE: Preseason: Wiz vs Griz - 11/7/2009 10:00:24 AM   
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Is Oden going to end up like Olawakndi?

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RE: Preseason: Wiz vs Griz - 11/7/2009 10:27:43 AM   
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I wouldn't worry yet, Kurt. They'll hit their stride at some point IMO. They're still the scariest challenger for the Lakers in the West IMO.

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RE: Preseason: Wiz vs Griz - 11/7/2009 11:58:32 AM   
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Is Oden going to end up like Olawakndi?



Sure hope not Jim.

I see times when Oden is awkward, and could very well end up like Olowokandi.

Then I see times when he is a ferotious rebounder/shotblocker, that also seems to be rapidly improving his skill level on the offensive end.

Olowokandi came into the NBA after 4 years of college at age 23. Oden came in at 19 (One year at Ohio state) and preceded to not play one minute his first year because of microfracture surgery.

IMO we'll know within the next 4 to 6 months which way Oden goes, but I will say after he lost 15 pounds, he certainly is much more active this year. I think he's averaging close to 3 blocks & 10 rebounds thus far.

Let guy's like Hubie Brown tell it, and they openly laugh when people call him a bust after he hasn't turned 22, and after only his rookie year in the league. An age most NBAers of the past were still in college.

We'll see, he obviously is not the next Shaq, or Bill Russell as he was proclaimed in High school. 

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RE: Preseason: Wiz vs Griz - 11/8/2009 1:57:52 PM   
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Chris Wallace is an idiot. He's got to be the worst GM in the league right now. Which is really saying something in a league where half of the people on this board would at least be in the "decent" GM category.

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RE: RE:General NBA talk/rumors - 11/9/2009 7:59:53 AM   
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$5.3M
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What a life!

To think, in 1976 the 76ers signed Dr. J for $6M TOTAL for 6 years and this stiff gets almost that amount for one year of 8 points per game

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