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RE: Rubio -- good news - 11/3/2009 1:37:46 AM

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It was a weird game watching Brewer. He was really looking for his shot. A lot. And right now he's an absolutely tremendous help defender, but not a very good individual defender. His lack of strength and overall "hyperness" get him in trouble trying to check his man, but his length quickness, and even that same "hyperness" let him get a ton steals, block some shots and cause a lot of disruption.

And Al was the opposite of last night. He started out looking like he had never held a basketball before, but by the 4th quarter, he was starting to hit some of his regular shots.

I've been impressed with Hollins. He has a lot to learn, but he's a tremendous athlete and he plays HARD.

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RE: Rubio -- good news - 11/3/2009 6:35:54 AM

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Ouch. They let that one slip away. I don't care if Brewer shot decent 3 percent in a few preseason games. I don't want him taking a final shot and I sure don't want him shooting 21 shots in a game. He can get transition shots, rebound shots and penetration shots, but he should be rationed to 1 jumper a quarter until he can prove he can make at least 25 percent of them.

I used to complaim mightily about Mike Miller's game. The reluctant shooter who refused to shoot. Now I wish Corey Brewer would play more like Miller because Brewer should be a reluctant shooter.

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RE: Rubio -- good news - 11/3/2009 8:32:15 AM

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Ya, he needs to get that in check.

Still, I really think he COULD develop into a Trevor Ariza type. He's got those kind of skills, IMO. Just a bit less athletic.

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RE: Rubio -- good news - 11/3/2009 9:31:40 AM

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Jefferson's rust is even more apparent on defense. Just not quick or mobile enough to be much of a factor.
Flynn must have got in the dog house a little bit. Some poor shots and careless turnovers but boy do I see his potential.

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RE: Rubio -- good news - 11/3/2009 10:18:19 AM

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How on earth does Brewer squeeze off 21 shots in a game? That's absurd. I don't mind him being aggressive, but not that aggressive. Ugh.

They were actually going to him out of a TO last night

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RE: Rubio -- good news - 11/3/2009 11:06:25 AM

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Ouch. They let that one slip away. I don't care if Brewer shot decent 3 percent in a few preseason games. I don't want him taking a final shot and I sure don't want him shooting 21 shots in a game. He can get transition shots, rebound shots and penetration shots, but he should be rationed to 1 jumper a quarter until he can prove he can make at least 25 percent of them.

I used to complaim mightily about Mike Miller's game. The reluctant shooter who refused to shoot. Now I wish Corey Brewer would play more like Miller because Brewer should be a reluctant shooter.

We're going to see more and more of that. Teams are going to do what the Clippers did last night and give Corey every possible open shot.

At this point I don't think his energy and help defense make up for his horrific offense and poor individual defense.

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RE: Rubio -- good news - 11/3/2009 11:08:42 AM

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Ya, he needs to get that in check.

Still, I really think he COULD develop into a Trevor Ariza type.He's got those kind of skills, IMO. Just a bit less athletic.

I don't see Ariza in him at all. I'd say he's actually quicker than Ariza and he's freakishly long, but he has the strength of a 9 year old girl. His ceiling is much more along the lines of Tayshaun Prince.

Interesting....

Kahn: NBA Is 'A Trader's League Right Now'

Timberwolves president David Kahn believes he'll be able to move players if the situation arises this season.

Minnesota picked up the options on the contracts of Kevin Love and Corey Brewer on Monday.

"I don't want this to be some sort of signal that we will trade Corey, because I don't believe that, but I do believe this is a trader's league right now," Kahn told the Pioneer Press. "And I believe as we demonstrated this summer, you can move players if need be. So I don't look at this decision today on Nov. 3 as saying, 'This is the cap number we'll have next summer.'

"I believe there are all kinds of possibilities that can occur with this team, particularly when you frame it from the standpoint that Kurt and I are still ... have a lot of evaluation and learning to do about this team."

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RE: Rubio -- good news - 11/3/2009 11:08:49 AM

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I've been impressed with Hollins. He has a lot to learn, but he's a tremendous athlete and he plays HARD.

I agree fully. And he runs like a gazelle.

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RE: Rubio -- good news - 11/3/2009 2:59:33 PM

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Stop-n-Pop at Canis with a great "take" on Corey Brewer:

Learning to Love the Brewer

As I understand it "camp" refers to something that is so bad and distasteful that it becomes appealing by way of irony. Watching last night's game versus the lowly Clippers, it dawned on me that the Wolves are in possession of the very first camp professional player in the history of the NBA: Corey Brewer.

Mr. Brewer is impossible not to watch. He is a wicked combination of moments of stunning brilliance immediately followed by moments of unreal incompetence. In each and every single game you can be certain to see a professional basketball player miss a shot, flub a pass, or mangle a dribble in ways which you cannot possibly imagine before turning on your television. You can also be certain to see a 6'8" toothpick move much faster than you first thought was humanly possible while blocking shots, stealing balls, grabbing impossible rebounds, and causing havoc within the reach of his awesomely long arms. I am not sure if John Waters has a favorite NBA player, but if he does, the former Gator is surely it.

In 37 minutes of action against the Clips, Brewer scored 14 points on 6-21 shooting. His shots included the final airball of the game, kamikaze drives to the hoop that had no chance of falling, and the occasional silky-smooth pull-up jumper off of a screen that no opposing player has the combination of speed and length to keep up with. The amazing thing about Brewer's shot selection is that he doesn't really take a lot of bad shots. This seems impossible but it is not. I have no idea how to explain it other than to point to the fact that he is such an interesting athlete and intelligent player that he has no shortage of situations where he is in exactly the right spot to get good looks. From being the fastest 6'8" player in transition to being the most versitle athlete in the 1/2 court, Brewer, for the most part, takes shots that absolutely have to be taken. He just happens to be such a terrible shooter that every attempt is an adventure.

Adding to the so-bad-it's-good brilliance of his overall game is his typical 2009/10 off-ball stat line. Last night Brewer grabbed 3 offensive rebounds, dished out 6 assists, stole 5 balls, blocked 2 shots, and ended up with a +1 during 37 minutes in a losing effort. If anything, he was more disruptive than this line suggests. He crashed passing lanes he had no business crashing; he flashed off his man to double unsuspecting Clippers; in every imaginable way, Corey Brewer made interesting things happen on the court.

I know that the Wolves can't really market one of their own players on the basis of his weird combination of brilliance and incompetence, but if you are a fan of basketball there are few players more entertaining in the NBA right now, and none of them are a good watch for the reasons that make Corey Brewer a can't-miss attraction. If you watch the Wolves you are almost guaranteed to see something that you have never seen before on an NBA court; whether that is an impossibly missed layup or a steal that you did not see coming...well, that's part of the fun and #22 will quickly become one of your favorite players to watch.

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RE: Rubio -- good news - 11/3/2009 5:18:57 PM

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It's easy to root for Brewer because he works hard and seems to have a good attitude. But he needs to just stop shooting for a while. It would be one thing if Brewer were a proven shooter who is just in a slump. In that case yeah just keep firing, and shoot your way out of it. This is not the case with Brewer. He has proven nothing. He needs to just stop. You say how will he ever get good then? By being a workman game in and game out for a few months and just stop thinking about it. Let it come naturally.

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RE: Rubio -- good news - 11/3/2009 5:29:39 PM

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It's easy to root for Brewer because he works hard and seems to have a good attitude. But he needs to just stop shooting for a while. It would be one thing if Brewer were a proven shooter who is just in a slump. In that case yeah just keep firing, and shoot your way out of it. This is not the case with Brewer. He has proven nothing. He needs to just stop. You say how will he ever get good then? By being a workman game in and game out for a few months and just stop thinking about it. Let it come naturally.

I'm not sure if the problem is Brewer or the offense with all his shooting. If we're running a lot of triangle, its his job to take those shots - and the combo of the offense and his own ability is getting him very good shots.

But he can't hit them, so if he HAS to shoot them because of the offense, we're running the wrong offense for what we have. Badly. Although I wouldn't want to change an offense BECAUSE of Brewer. We just need to find a way to get an NBA caliber wing.

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RE: Rubio -- good news - 11/4/2009 5:42:41 PM

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I agree that Brewers game is all over the map. There are times that he looks absolutely brilliant and other time he can't shoot for anything. One hopes that he has the ability to elevate his game to the great levels, but I can recognize the time when he has looked bad and is bad. The Wolves have had a lot of real bad players that they pretended were good. If we had Jefferson and Love in prime form, Brewer's shortcomings would not be as significant. I am not against acquirng a star wing player, but until then, I am not going to get that down on Brewer. One of the easiest areas to improve on is a great wing player. This can be acquired in free agency or future drafts. I prefer to see the glass as half full.

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RE: Rubio -- good news - 11/4/2009 8:12:13 PM

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Heck of a half. Up by 8 on Boston.

Al is playing like Al, and Flynn had a great half.

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RE: Rubio -- good news - 11/4/2009 9:28:30 PM

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Boston looking very beatable tonight. Fewer turnovers and we win easily.

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RE: Rubio -- good news - 11/4/2009 9:47:09 PM

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Al did not contribute anything positive at all in the 4th qtr. Just a couple turnovers and some missed shots.

Need a lot more from our best player.

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RE: Rubio -- good news - 11/4/2009 10:28:36 PM

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Al did not contribute anything positive at all in the 4th qtr. Just a couple turnovers and some missed shots. Need a lot more from our best player.

He played 36 minutes against a physical team, its not a surprise that he was ineffective down the stretch. Its going to take a while for him to build up his stamina.

That said, the first half of the game was the first time all season he's looked like Al.

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RE: Rubio -- good news - 11/4/2009 11:40:14 PM

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Brewer at this point seems to be a bit like a poor man's Kirlenko

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RE: Rubio -- good news - 11/4/2009 11:59:41 PM

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Stewie Griffin had a pretty good night for us, hit a lot of big shots.
I see Doc Rivers threw class out the window during his post-game comments, only talking about how "awful" his team played and still won.
Rambis very pleased with effort and attitude.
That'd be great if we were an expansion team. We seem as far away now as we've ever been.
Hopefully, with a return of Love and a healthy Al, and we can at least start competing in this league again on a nightly basis.
Flynn looks like a player. My hat is off to those who called that on draft night. I hated the pick, and I was wrong. We'd be BRUTAL without him.

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RE: Rubio -- good news - 11/5/2009 12:22:15 AM

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This team looks like a solid up-and-comer in about 2-3 yrs. With another high draft pick next Summer, and whatever free-agent/s we can get, plus Rubio coming over, things are looking up a couple of yrs down the road.

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vs Celtics - 11/5/2009 10:34:44 AM

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Late in the game last evening, the refs put the Celtics on their backs and carried them to victory. Its just one game, but I thought there was a lot to be optimistic about for the Wolves future. For one thing, when Love gets back we won't have so much Pecherov time (j/k). Watching Brewer, he seems to be turning the corner and "getting" NBA basketball. Flynn looked pretty good as well. We'll still see a lot of losses this year, but it feels like there is an actual plan to turn the team around.

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RE: vs Celtics - 11/5/2009 10:44:52 AM

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Gomes started out good and then for some reason didn't see the ball. How can Brewer throw up 16 shots to 7 for Gomes?

The Wolves picked up the wrong option Pecherov had a heck of a game last night

Sasha didn't even get many shots off, whats up with that?

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RE: Rubio -- good news - 11/5/2009 10:53:55 AM

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What about Oleksiy. I didn't know this guy had a game. Thought he was just another out of control guy. Looks like he may have some potential too. Looks like we may have found a good number of potentially good players to add to the mix.

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RE: vs Celtics - 11/5/2009 10:58:03 AM

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Gomes started out good and then for some reason didn't see the ball. How can Brewer throw up 16 shots to 7 for Gomes?

Its a product of the offense. Corey moves without the ball much better than Gomes, so he ends up with a lot more opportunities.

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RE: vs Celtics - 11/5/2009 11:06:36 AM

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Gomes started out good and then for some reason didn't see the ball. How can Brewer throw up 16 shots to 7 for Gomes?

Its a product of the offense. Corey moves without the ball much better than Gomes, so he ends up with a lot more opportunities.

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He needs to continue working on his passing skills, because he'll never become a good shooter, IMO. Just about every time he shoots, there is something different wrong with his mechanics.

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RE: vs Celtics - 11/5/2009 11:55:18 AM

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Gomes started out good and then for some reason didn't see the ball. How can Brewer throw up 16 shots to 7 for Gomes?

Its a product of the offense. Corey moves without the ball much better than Gomes, so he ends up with a lot more opportunities.

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He needs to continue working on his passing skills, because he'll never become a good shooter, IMO. Just about every time he shoots, there is something different wrong with his mechanics.

I agree. What I think is promising is that it shows that once we get a real swing, its going to be a very solid system.

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