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Pager -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/16/2019 1:50:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young quote: ORIGINAL: Pager quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Ian Rapoport ‏Verified account @RapSheet 1h1 hour ago The #Jaguars are expected to hire former #Vikings OC John DeFilippo as their new offensive coordinator, sources say. Doug Marrone took his time with such a key hire, but when the deal gets done, he’ll have his guy. And the Jags offense will sputter a plenty under Flips Expert tutelage That offense will progress only if they get a QB that is competent. I was high on the Flip hire. My opinion of him hasn't changed. How is that possible. ? This team was a horror show getting blown out in buffalo under defilipo .. He sucked. Period. A) Oline B) Oline C) Oline D) Zimmer The offense performed worse at home under Stef against the Bears than on the road under Flip. Cook missed significant time during the mid season. If our talent on the oline doesn't improve, Kubiak and Stef are not going to make a difference. It does not surprise me at all that he was out of coaching for only a minute. It could very well have been the wrong guy for this job to pair with Zimmer, but that doesn't change my opinion that he is a good coach and I expect him to do well as an OC. You can call me on it in 3 years if he's flamed out.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/16/2019 1:53:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Pager quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Ian Rapoport ‏Verified account @RapSheet 1h1 hour ago The #Jaguars are expected to hire former #Vikings OC John DeFilippo as their new offensive coordinator, sources say. Doug Marrone took his time with such a key hire, but when the deal gets done, he’ll have his guy. And the Jags offense will sputter a plenty under Flips Expert tutelage That offense will progress only if they get a QB that is competent. I was high on the Flip hire. My opinion of him hasn't changed. Eagles did well because Doug Pederson is a good coach and Frank Reich was the OC. Foles sucked shit at first and then got better. Pederson got more out of Foles this year and Foles is probably going to cash in as a result. Eagles made the playoffs and won a game Reich went on to be Head coach of the Colts and they went from recent doormat to wild card team also winning a game in the playoffs. Flip came to Minnesota and turned a NFCCG offense into a sputtering mess. Given a decent QB, RB, WRs and albeit a shitty Oline he did nothing to improve that unit and ignored the HC and did his own thing despite its weekly failures and his inability to adapt. I'm sorry, Flip was NOT the reason for Foles success in Philadelphia last year. That was Pederson and Reich. Flip road their coattails.

Pager -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/16/2019 1:55:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Pager quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Ian Rapoport ‏Verified account @RapSheet 1h1 hour ago The #Jaguars are expected to hire former #Vikings OC John DeFilippo as their new offensive coordinator, sources say. Doug Marrone took his time with such a key hire, but when the deal gets done, he’ll have his guy. And the Jags offense will sputter a plenty under Flips Expert tutelage That offense will progress only if they get a QB that is competent. I was high on the Flip hire. My opinion of him hasn't changed. Eagles did well because Doug Pederson is a good coach and Frank Reich was the OC. Foles sucked shit at first and then got better. Pederson got more out of Foles this year and Foles is probably going to cash in as a result. Eagles made the playoffs and won a game Reich went on to be Head coach of the Colts and they went from recent doormat to wild card team also winning a game in the playoffs. Flip came to Minnesota and turned a NFCCG offense into a sputtering mess. Given a decent QB, RB, WRs and albeit a shitty Oline he did nothing to improve that unit and ignored the HC and did his own thing despite its weekly failures and his inability to adapt. I'm sorry, Flip was NOT the reason for Foles success in Philadelphia last year. That was Pederson and Reich. Flip road their coattails. See my post above. I never gave him credit for any of those things. But you do forget to mention that Wentz took a HUGE step back this year. Flip was in charge of the Eagles redzone offense, and they were excellent. Time will tell. The ball don't lie.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/16/2019 2:01:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Pager quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Pager quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Ian Rapoport ‏Verified account @RapSheet 1h1 hour ago The #Jaguars are expected to hire former #Vikings OC John DeFilippo as their new offensive coordinator, sources say. Doug Marrone took his time with such a key hire, but when the deal gets done, he’ll have his guy. And the Jags offense will sputter a plenty under Flips Expert tutelage That offense will progress only if they get a QB that is competent. I was high on the Flip hire. My opinion of him hasn't changed. Eagles did well because Doug Pederson is a good coach and Frank Reich was the OC. Foles sucked shit at first and then got better. Pederson got more out of Foles this year and Foles is probably going to cash in as a result. Eagles made the playoffs and won a game Reich went on to be Head coach of the Colts and they went from recent doormat to wild card team also winning a game in the playoffs. Flip came to Minnesota and turned a NFCCG offense into a sputtering mess. Given a decent QB, RB, WRs and albeit a shitty Oline he did nothing to improve that unit and ignored the HC and did his own thing despite its weekly failures and his inability to adapt. I'm sorry, Flip was NOT the reason for Foles success in Philadelphia last year. That was Pederson and Reich. Flip road their coattails. See my post above. I never gave him credit for any of those things. But you do forget to mention that Wentz took a HUGE step back this year. Flip was in charge of the Eagles redzone offense, and they were excellent. Time will tell. The ball don't lie. Frank Reich was the OC and moved to The Colts who took a big step forward this year. Coincidence? I think not.

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/16/2019 2:17:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Pager quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Pager quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Ian Rapoport ‏Verified account @RapSheet 1h1 hour ago The #Jaguars are expected to hire former #Vikings OC John DeFilippo as their new offensive coordinator, sources say. Doug Marrone took his time with such a key hire, but when the deal gets done, he’ll have his guy. And the Jags offense will sputter a plenty under Flips Expert tutelage That offense will progress only if they get a QB that is competent. I was high on the Flip hire. My opinion of him hasn't changed. Eagles did well because Doug Pederson is a good coach and Frank Reich was the OC. Foles sucked shit at first and then got better. Pederson got more out of Foles this year and Foles is probably going to cash in as a result. Eagles made the playoffs and won a game Reich went on to be Head coach of the Colts and they went from recent doormat to wild card team also winning a game in the playoffs. Flip came to Minnesota and turned a NFCCG offense into a sputtering mess. Given a decent QB, RB, WRs and albeit a shitty Oline he did nothing to improve that unit and ignored the HC and did his own thing despite its weekly failures and his inability to adapt. I'm sorry, Flip was NOT the reason for Foles success in Philadelphia last year. That was Pederson and Reich. Flip road their coattails. See my post above. I never gave him credit for any of those things. But you do forget to mention that Wentz took a HUGE step back this year. Flip was in charge of the Eagles redzone offense, and they were excellent. Time will tell. The ball don't lie. Frank Reich was the OC and moved to The Colts who took a big step forward this year. Coincidence? I think not. Mostly due to the O-Line coach - that they just got rid of because he wasn't Reich's guy...

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/16/2019 2:50:54 PM)
So according to Pager and DL Flip is a better coach that Frank Reich. Sure. Ok. Got it. Makes perfect sense to me.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/16/2019 2:53:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro The QB coach is Klint Kubiak, who has all of six games NFL experience in that role. Kubiak for a guy that isn’t going to be a coordinator, it sure as hell sounds like he’s getting his guys to coordinate and install an offense. I wonder what Stefanski is thinking... I thought I heard that young Kubiak worked here for the Vikings before and that he and Stefanski are tight.

JT2 -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/16/2019 3:02:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Pager quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Pager quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Ian Rapoport ‏Verified account @RapSheet 1h1 hour ago The #Jaguars are expected to hire former #Vikings OC John DeFilippo as their new offensive coordinator, sources say. Doug Marrone took his time with such a key hire, but when the deal gets done, he’ll have his guy. And the Jags offense will sputter a plenty under Flips Expert tutelage That offense will progress only if they get a QB that is competent. I was high on the Flip hire. My opinion of him hasn't changed. Eagles did well because Doug Pederson is a good coach and Frank Reich was the OC. Foles sucked shit at first and then got better. Pederson got more out of Foles this year and Foles is probably going to cash in as a result. Eagles made the playoffs and won a game Reich went on to be Head coach of the Colts and they went from recent doormat to wild card team also winning a game in the playoffs. Flip came to Minnesota and turned a NFCCG offense into a sputtering mess. Given a decent QB, RB, WRs and albeit a shitty Oline he did nothing to improve that unit and ignored the HC and did his own thing despite its weekly failures and his inability to adapt. I'm sorry, Flip was NOT the reason for Foles success in Philadelphia last year. That was Pederson and Reich. Flip road their coattails. See my post above. I never gave him credit for any of those things. But you do forget to mention that Wentz took a HUGE step back this year. Flip was in charge of the Eagles redzone offense, and they were excellent. Time will tell. The ball don't lie. Frank Reich was the OC and moved to The Colts who took a big step forward this year. Coincidence? I think not. Imagine that, Luck is better than Brissett.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/16/2019 3:15:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JT2 quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Pager quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Pager quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Ian Rapoport ‏Verified account @RapSheet 1h1 hour ago The #Jaguars are expected to hire former #Vikings OC John DeFilippo as their new offensive coordinator, sources say. Doug Marrone took his time with such a key hire, but when the deal gets done, he’ll have his guy. And the Jags offense will sputter a plenty under Flips Expert tutelage That offense will progress only if they get a QB that is competent. I was high on the Flip hire. My opinion of him hasn't changed. Eagles did well because Doug Pederson is a good coach and Frank Reich was the OC. Foles sucked shit at first and then got better. Pederson got more out of Foles this year and Foles is probably going to cash in as a result. Eagles made the playoffs and won a game Reich went on to be Head coach of the Colts and they went from recent doormat to wild card team also winning a game in the playoffs. Flip came to Minnesota and turned a NFCCG offense into a sputtering mess. Given a decent QB, RB, WRs and albeit a shitty Oline he did nothing to improve that unit and ignored the HC and did his own thing despite its weekly failures and his inability to adapt. I'm sorry, Flip was NOT the reason for Foles success in Philadelphia last year. That was Pederson and Reich. Flip road their coattails. See my post above. I never gave him credit for any of those things. But you do forget to mention that Wentz took a HUGE step back this year. Flip was in charge of the Eagles redzone offense, and they were excellent. Time will tell. The ball don't lie. Frank Reich was the OC and moved to The Colts who took a big step forward this year. Coincidence? I think not. Imagine that, Luck is better than Brissett. Imagine that, Reich is better than Flip

Pager -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/16/2019 3:18:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott So according to Pager and DL Flip is a better coach that Frank Reich. Sure. Ok. Got it. Makes perfect sense to me. That's what I said [&o] If you think Flip is the reason our offense tanked, or is a bad coach, I'm not going to tell you that you're wrong. You could be right. My opinion at this point is different. No big deal.

Pager -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/16/2019 3:21:28 PM)
I've posted my praises of Reich. Loved him going for the 2 to win (I woulda played for the tie, but I loved the aggression and how he stood by it). I think Reich is a fantastic coach. That is not mutually exclusive to Flip being a good coach. The investment in the oline and Luck being healthy, and a huge step forward by their D, including their DROY LB kinda helped with their improvement too. I liked Reich when they were 1-5. Same coach, different results at the point. But whatever.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/16/2019 3:22:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Pager quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott So according to Pager and DL Flip is a better coach that Frank Reich. Sure. Ok. Got it. Makes perfect sense to me. That's what I said [&o] If you think Flip is the reason our offense tanked, or is a bad coach, I'm not going to tell you that you're wrong. You could be right. My opinion at this point is different. No big deal. Flip is not the sole reason this offense tanked. but he was a significant reason for it. Stubborn, slow to adapt and predictable offense made worse by the Oline problems (death of Sparano, Injuries, lack of talent and shitty scheme). I am not sold on Stefanski but the one thing I can give him credit for is actually beating teams that we should beat handily (Detroit and Miami). Now he has to up his game. become more unpredictable and beat the better teams as well. Score 20 and this defense can win you most games. His goal should be 30.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/16/2019 3:26:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Pager I've posted my praises of Reich. Loved him going for the 2 to win (I woulda played for the tie, but I loved the aggression and how he stood by it). I think Reich is a fantastic coach. That is not mutually exclusive to Flip being a good coach. The investment in the oline and Luck being healthy, and a huge step forward by their D, including their DROY LB kinda helped with their improvement too. I liked Reich when they were 1-5. Same coach, different results at the point. But whatever. He got his team to rebound from 1-5 to the playoffs and win there as well. I did not see Flip respond that well to adversity. You are right that it is not mutually exclusive. I think people looked at Defilipo as the next Mcvay and we got the next Steckle imho. He may prove me wrong, but in the end he was not a good fit here. He wasn't ready to be OC or couldn't handle the adversity once Sparano died. Perhaps it was too much, I don't know. but in the end Flip failed here. and until he proves me wrong (which is entirely possible) I will believe that he was not the reason for Foles success in the playoffs last year. I will believe it was more Reich and Pederson.

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/16/2019 3:46:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott So according to Pager and DL Flip is a better coach that Frank Reich. Sure. Ok. Got it. Makes perfect sense to me. That might be the worst reading comprehension ever...

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/16/2019 3:52:09 PM)
Also odd to compare a head coach (who has control of everything) with an offensive coordinator (with a very stubborn head coach above him).

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/16/2019 4:23:41 PM)
Flip was an offensive coordinator in Cleveland, but he only lasted for one year there, too. In his defense, the head coach got fired and they cleaned house. Listening to him speak on the radio, it sounds like he is very knowledgeable and intelligent. The fact that he landed on his feet so quickly with a new coordinator position indicates to me that he interviews well. I hope that he does well. I suspect he might have been a bit of a scapegoat (our offensive line had a lot of issues) but the fact that he got fired during the season indicates to me that he didn't get along well with Zimmer. I do believe that he was a bit stubborn about pushing a passing attack at the expense of the running attack. The Jaguars need to go a different direction with their quarterback. I don't know if they will or not, though. I believe Frank Reich deserves a lot of credit for turning the team around. I remember watching the Colts lose in overtime to the Texans in Indianapolis. He could have played it safe near the end of the game, but he opted to go for it on fourth and short near midfield and they failed to convert the first down. The Texans had just enough time to score and win. I thought he had a lot of guts. The team was not doing well and he was being very aggressive and his style obviously worked as the season progressed.

bohumm -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/16/2019 4:33:57 PM)
Flip can't be judged fully because of the OL and possibly the QB, who himself can't be judged fully because of the OL and possibly Flip. Flip's tenure here raised an eyebrow on both him and Zimmer, but there are too many variables to say definitively that Flip sucks. YMMV, but IDGAF.

ruffenach -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/16/2019 4:39:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro The QB coach is Klint Kubiak, who has all of six games NFL experience in that role. Kubiak for a guy that isn’t going to be a coordinator, it sure as hell sounds like he’s getting his guys to coordinate and install an offense. I wonder what Stefanski is thinking... That is what I have read too and that Stefanski may have been heading to Denver too. Gary Kubiak wanted a role in Denver offensive selecting the offensive players, but was denied that by Elway and that's his reason for leaving. I never knew that cutting back on work is related in any way to a stroke. I can see that if you have had a bunch of mini strokes, it might effect your decision making. I think he will do well here. He might not want to do the grind of coaching, but will be involved in selecting the players, developing technique, plan games and strategies and coaching the coaches. I thought I heard that young Kubiak worked here for the Vikings before and that he and Stefanski are tight.

Pager -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/16/2019 4:54:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm Flip can't be judged fully because of the OL and possibly the QB, who himself can't be judged fully because of the OL and possibly Flip. Flip's tenure here raised an eyebrow on both him and Zimmer, but there are too many variables to say definitively that Flip sucks. YMMV, but IDGAF. Bingo. Anyone that "knows" should be running an NFL team. Our NFL team. Cuz our FO got it wrong too.

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/16/2019 5:18:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott Flip came to Minnesota and turned a NFCCG offense into a sputtering mess. Given a decent QB, RB, WRs and albeit a shitty Oline [nice of you to throw that in there as you speed on by] he did nothing to improve that unit and ignored the HC and did his own thing despite its weekly failures and his inability to adapt. If this team doesn't turn it around this next year the bold is what most people will remember about Zimmer, but under a slightly different context, when he doesn't work here any more. Tough guy image gone bad. Not one thing he said in public about needing to run the ball had a positive effect. That needs to be considered when we think about his ability to lead.

Karl Juhnke -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/16/2019 5:35:07 PM)
Too many posts to read back on since the Kubiak thing so forgive me if I’m not covering new ground here. But here’s hw I see it working. Kubiak’s hiring is basically Zimmer checking out of the offense process completely. Zimmer as head coach obviously retains sort of ‘Football CEO’ status. But on a daily operational level, he doesn’t want anything to do with offense any more. That’s where Kubiak comes in. Kubiak will be sort of head coach of offense. In other words, what would normally be the relationship between head coach and OC will instead be OC and Kubiak, with Zimmer saying “Leave me the hell out of it”. So while a normal org chart would have head coach on top with two lines forked down to the coordinators, it will now be Zimmer, with a line down to DC, and sort of a dotted horizontal line to Kubiak, and Kubiak will have a line down to OC. Is that about it?

Pager -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/16/2019 5:41:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke Too many posts to read back on since the Kubiak thing so forgive me if I’m not covering new ground here. But here’s hw I see it working. Kubiak’s hiring is basically Zimmer checking out of the offense process completely. Zimmer as head coach obviously retains sort of ‘Football CEO’ status. But on a daily operational level, he doesn’t want anything to do with offense any more. That’s where Kubiak comes in. Kubiak will be sort of head coach of offense. In other words, what would normally be the relationship between head coach and OC will instead be OC and Kubiak, with Zimmer saying “Leave me the hell out of it”. So while a normal org chart would have head coach on top with two lines forked down to the coordinators, it will now be Zimmer, with a line down to DC, and sort of a dotted horizontal line to Kubiak, and Kubiak will have a line down to OC. Is that about it? It's as good of a take as anything I've read. And I'm excited about it.

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/16/2019 5:45:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke Too many posts to read back on since the Kubiak thing so forgive me if I’m not covering new ground here. But here’s hw I see it working. Kubiak’s hiring is basically Zimmer checking out of the offense process completely. Zimmer as head coach obviously retains sort of ‘Football CEO’ status. But on a daily operational level, he doesn’t want anything to do with offense any more. That’s where Kubiak comes in. Kubiak will be sort of head coach of offense. In other words, what would normally be the relationship between head coach and OC will instead be OC and Kubiak, with Zimmer saying “Leave me the hell out of it”. So while a normal org chart would have head coach on top with two lines forked down to the coordinators, it will now be Zimmer, with a line down to DC, and sort of a dotted horizontal line to Kubiak, and Kubiak will have a line down to OC. Is that about it? I hope that's exactly it.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/16/2019 5:51:24 PM)
It's good if Zimmer knows his limitations. He has always brought in former head coaches to help him with the offense, starting with Norv. I like that about him. He delegates authority. That's what successful managers do who are not bound by their egos. It's the same with special teams. I don't believe he was too proactive with the special teams. Releasing our rookie kicker might have been Zimmer, though.

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/16/2019 5:58:18 PM)
I just got back from going to the store. Ch 82 & 88 are on commercial and I want to listen to sports not music. I know there's something close by and I land on "Straight Outta Vegas" by Fox Sports Radio. They're talking prop bets on the Super Bowl, etc, etc. I don't know the context but this guy goes, "We've got the four best coaches left right now." I"m not sure if it was his partner or what but then a guy goes "I actually got Zimmer in the top four" OK. Wouldn't that be nice I love Karl's take.

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