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Defilipo is horribleness incarnate.

End of discussion.

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Defilipo is horribleness incarnate.

End of discussion.

I think its entirely possible he is a good coach and was also a very bad hire.

You can't have a HC and a Coordinator with diametrically opposed philosophies. It just doesn't work as one of the two is going to have to do things that go against their instincts, training and experiences. And you can't have success when you're trying to be someone else.

You can't hire someone based on what they've done and then expect them to change everything to fit your vision. You need to hire someone that compliments what you want to do. Or you hire someone with totally different ideas, but give them the things they need to succeed and then get out of their way.

Zimmer even admitted he didn't "ask the right questions" in the interviewing process.

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So according to Pager and DL

Flip is a better coach that Frank Reich.

Sure. Ok. Got it.

Makes perfect sense to me.

That might be the worst reading comprehension ever...

If I got that from what you wrote it isn't reading comprehension that is the problem.

I comprehend just fine.

the problem was how poorly you communicated your thoughts.

KGdaBom, what did you do with Scott?

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Defilipo is horribleness incarnate.

End of discussion.

I think its entirely possible he is a good coach and was also a very bad hire.

You can't have a HC and a Coordinator with diametrically opposed philosophies. It just doesn't work as one of the two is going to have to do things that go against their instincts, training and experiences. And you can't have success when you're trying to be someone else.

You can't hire someone based on what they've done and then expect them to change everything to fit your vision. You need to hire someone that compliments what you want to do. Or you hire someone with totally different ideas, but give them the things they need to succeed and then get out of their way.

Zimmer even admitted he didn't "ask the right questions" in the interviewing process.

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Defilipo is horribleness incarnate.

End of discussion.

I think its entirely possible he is a good coach and was also a very bad hire.

You can't have a HC and a Coordinator with diametrically opposed philosophies. It just doesn't work as one of the two is going to have to do things that go against their instincts, training and experiences. And you can't have success when you're trying to be someone else.

You can't hire someone based on what they've done and then expect them to change everything to fit your vision. You need to hire someone that compliments what you want to do. Or you hire someone with totally different ideas, but give them the things they need to succeed and then get out of their way.

Zimmer even admitted he didn't "ask the right questions" in the interviewing process.

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To early to tell on Flip. He might succeed elsewhere in a better situation for him. Zim was not the right fit for a boss and our OL did him no favors. I put those 2 factors more on Zim and Spielman. Flip might be a genius, he might be an idiot, or most likely somewhere in between.

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So according to Pager and DL

Flip is a better coach that Frank Reich.

Sure. Ok. Got it.

Makes perfect sense to me.

That might be the worst reading comprehension ever...

If I got that from what you wrote it isn't reading comprehension that is the problem.

I comprehend just fine.

the problem was how poorly you communicated your thoughts.

Considering I'm not the only one that you jumped to an inaccurate conclusion with, maybe its not *our* problem?

Neither of us said Flip was a better coach than Reich, we both just disagreed with your assessment that Flip is horrible.

Its possible that both Flip and Reich could be good coaches, isn't it? It doesn't have to be the either/or you want to make it.

In the context of the conversation we were having my conclusion made perfect sense.

Its possible Flip is a good coach.

It is also possible that he is not. The current evidence suggests he isn't. It's possible Frank Reich is a good coach, It is also possible he is not. current evidence suggests he is. At this time Reich is better than Flip. That could change but until I see evidence otherwise, I have no reason to believe otherwise.

Fact is they both worked for the Eagles and coaxed a championship run out of Nick Foles. They both moved on, One had success and one failed miserably. It isn't a stretch by any means to say that perhaps it was Reich that got the most out of Foles and not Defillipo...

It is foolish to suggest that Reich isn't better than Flip at this point.

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Defilipo is horribleness incarnate.

End of discussion.

I think its entirely possible he is a good coach and was also a very bad hire.

You can't have a HC and a Coordinator with diametrically opposed philosophies. It just doesn't work as one of the two is going to have to do things that go against their instincts, training and experiences. And you can't have success when you're trying to be someone else.

You can't hire someone based on what they've done and then expect them to change everything to fit your vision. You need to hire someone that compliments what you want to do. Or you hire someone with totally different ideas, but give them the things they need to succeed and then get out of their way.

Zimmer even admitted he didn't "ask the right questions" in the interviewing process.

[sm=ditto.gif]

To early to tell on Flip. He might succeed elsewhere in a better situation for him. Zim was not the right fit for a boss and our OL did him no favors. I put those 2 factors more on Zim and Spielman. Flip might be a genius, he might be an idiot, or most likely somewhere in between.

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1h1 hour ago

The #Jaguars are expected to hire former #Vikings OC John DeFilippo as their new offensive coordinator, sources say. Doug Marrone took his time with such a key hire, but when the deal gets done, he’ll have his guy.

And the Jags offense will sputter a plenty under Flips Expert tutelage

That offense will progress only if they get a QB that is competent.

I was high on the Flip hire. My opinion of him hasn't changed.

Eagles did well because Doug Pederson is a good coach and Frank Reich was the OC. Foles sucked shit at first and then got better.

Pederson got more out of Foles this year and Foles is probably going to cash in as a result. Eagles made the playoffs and won a game
Reich went on to be Head coach of the Colts and they went from recent doormat to wild card team also winning a game in the playoffs.
Flip came to Minnesota and turned a NFCCG offense into a sputtering mess. Given a decent QB, RB, WRs and albeit a shitty Oline he did nothing to improve that unit and ignored the HC and did his own thing despite its weekly failures and his inability to adapt.

I'm sorry, Flip was NOT the reason for Foles success in Philadelphia last year. That was Pederson and Reich.


Flip road their coattails.

See my post above.

I never gave him credit for any of those things. But you do forget to mention that Wentz took a HUGE step back this year. Flip was in charge of the Eagles redzone offense, and they were excellent.

Time will tell. The ball don't lie.

Frank Reich was the OC and moved to The Colts who took a big step forward this year.

Coincidence? I think not.

Mostly due to the O-Line coach - that they just got rid of because he wasn't Reich's guy...

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Ian Rapoport
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1h1 hour ago

The #Jaguars are expected to hire former #Vikings OC John DeFilippo as their new offensive coordinator, sources say. Doug Marrone took his time with such a key hire, but when the deal gets done, he’ll have his guy.

And the Jags offense will sputter a plenty under Flips Expert tutelage

That offense will progress only if they get a QB that is competent.

I was high on the Flip hire. My opinion of him hasn't changed.

Eagles did well because Doug Pederson is a good coach and Frank Reich was the OC. Foles sucked shit at first and then got better.

Pederson got more out of Foles this year and Foles is probably going to cash in as a result. Eagles made the playoffs and won a game
Reich went on to be Head coach of the Colts and they went from recent doormat to wild card team also winning a game in the playoffs.
Flip came to Minnesota and turned a NFCCG offense into a sputtering mess. Given a decent QB, RB, WRs and albeit a shitty Oline he did nothing to improve that unit and ignored the HC and did his own thing despite its weekly failures and his inability to adapt.

I'm sorry, Flip was NOT the reason for Foles success in Philadelphia last year. That was Pederson and Reich.


Flip road their coattails.

See my post above.

I never gave him credit for any of those things. But you do forget to mention that Wentz took a HUGE step back this year. Flip was in charge of the Eagles redzone offense, and they were excellent.

Time will tell. The ball don't lie.

Frank Reich was the OC and moved to The Colts who took a big step forward this year.

Coincidence? I think not.

Mostly due to the O-Line coach - that they just got rid of because he wasn't Reich's guy...

DL downplaying Reich's ability as a coach. inferring that the Colt's improvment was because of the Oline coach...I'm sure Reich had nothing to do with it. [&o] But I took a leap and missed the target. And Pager praising Flip for redzone offence and Wentz taking a step back (inferring it was because of Flip's departure and not Reich's).

Yeah, DL. I took a bit of a leap, but I didn't miss the target at all.

and this could have easily been over without the insulting comment about my reading comprehension.

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Ian Rapoport
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1h1 hour ago

The #Jaguars are expected to hire former #Vikings OC John DeFilippo as their new offensive coordinator, sources say. Doug Marrone took his time with such a key hire, but when the deal gets done, he’ll have his guy.

And the Jags offense will sputter a plenty under Flips Expert tutelage

That offense will progress only if they get a QB that is competent.

I was high on the Flip hire. My opinion of him hasn't changed.

Eagles did well because Doug Pederson is a good coach and Frank Reich was the OC. Foles sucked shit at first and then got better.

Pederson got more out of Foles this year and Foles is probably going to cash in as a result. Eagles made the playoffs and won a game
Reich went on to be Head coach of the Colts and they went from recent doormat to wild card team also winning a game in the playoffs.
Flip came to Minnesota and turned a NFCCG offense into a sputtering mess. Given a decent QB, RB, WRs and albeit a shitty Oline he did nothing to improve that unit and ignored the HC and did his own thing despite its weekly failures and his inability to adapt.

I'm sorry, Flip was NOT the reason for Foles success in Philadelphia last year. That was Pederson and Reich.


Flip road their coattails.

See my post above.

I never gave him credit for any of those things. But you do forget to mention that Wentz took a HUGE step back this year. Flip was in charge of the Eagles redzone offense, and they were excellent.

Time will tell. The ball don't lie.

Frank Reich was the OC and moved to The Colts who took a big step forward this year.

Coincidence? I think not.

Mostly due to the O-Line coach - that they just got rid of because he wasn't Reich's guy...

DL downplaying Reich's ability as a coach. inferring that the Colt's improvment was because of the Oline coach...I'm sure Reich had nothing to do with it. [&o] But I took a leap and missed the target. And Pager praising Flip for redzone offence and Wentz taking a step back (inferring it was because of Flip's departure and not Reich's).

Yeah, DL. I took a bit of a leap, but I didn't miss the target at all.

and this could have easily been over without the insulting comment about my reading comprehension.

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Ian Rapoport
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1h1 hour ago

The #Jaguars are expected to hire former #Vikings OC John DeFilippo as their new offensive coordinator, sources say. Doug Marrone took his time with such a key hire, but when the deal gets done, he’ll have his guy.

And the Jags offense will sputter a plenty under Flips Expert tutelage

That offense will progress only if they get a QB that is competent.

I was high on the Flip hire. My opinion of him hasn't changed.

Eagles did well because Doug Pederson is a good coach and Frank Reich was the OC. Foles sucked shit at first and then got better.

Pederson got more out of Foles this year and Foles is probably going to cash in as a result. Eagles made the playoffs and won a game
Reich went on to be Head coach of the Colts and they went from recent doormat to wild card team also winning a game in the playoffs.
Flip came to Minnesota and turned a NFCCG offense into a sputtering mess. Given a decent QB, RB, WRs and albeit a shitty Oline he did nothing to improve that unit and ignored the HC and did his own thing despite its weekly failures and his inability to adapt.

I'm sorry, Flip was NOT the reason for Foles success in Philadelphia last year. That was Pederson and Reich.


Flip road their coattails.

See my post above.

I never gave him credit for any of those things. But you do forget to mention that Wentz took a HUGE step back this year. Flip was in charge of the Eagles redzone offense, and they were excellent.

Time will tell. The ball don't lie.

Frank Reich was the OC and moved to The Colts who took a big step forward this year.

Coincidence? I think not.

Mostly due to the O-Line coach - that they just got rid of because he wasn't Reich's guy...

DL downplaying Reich's ability as a coach. inferring that the Colt's improvment was because of the Oline coach...I'm sure Reich had nothing to do with it. [&o] But I took a leap and missed the target. And Pager praising Flip for redzone offence and Wentz taking a step back (inferring it was because of Flip's departure and not Reich's).

Yeah, DL. I took a bit of a leap, but I didn't miss the target at all.

and this could have easily been over without the insulting comment about my reading comprehension.

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So according to Pager and DL

Flip is a better coach that Frank Reich.

Sure. Ok. Got it.

Makes perfect sense to me.

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Ian Rapoport
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1h1 hour ago

The #Jaguars are expected to hire former #Vikings OC John DeFilippo as their new offensive coordinator, sources say. Doug Marrone took his time with such a key hire, but when the deal gets done, he’ll have his guy.

And the Jags offense will sputter a plenty under Flips Expert tutelage

That offense will progress only if they get a QB that is competent.

I was high on the Flip hire. My opinion of him hasn't changed.

Eagles did well because Doug Pederson is a good coach and Frank Reich was the OC. Foles sucked shit at first and then got better.

Pederson got more out of Foles this year and Foles is probably going to cash in as a result. Eagles made the playoffs and won a game
Reich went on to be Head coach of the Colts and they went from recent doormat to wild card team also winning a game in the playoffs.
Flip came to Minnesota and turned a NFCCG offense into a sputtering mess. Given a decent QB, RB, WRs and albeit a shitty Oline he did nothing to improve that unit and ignored the HC and did his own thing despite its weekly failures and his inability to adapt.

I'm sorry, Flip was NOT the reason for Foles success in Philadelphia last year. That was Pederson and Reich.


Flip road their coattails.

See my post above.

I never gave him credit for any of those things. But you do forget to mention that Wentz took a HUGE step back this year. Flip was in charge of the Eagles redzone offense, and they were excellent.

Time will tell. The ball don't lie.

Frank Reich was the OC and moved to The Colts who took a big step forward this year.

Coincidence? I think not.

Mostly due to the O-Line coach - that they just got rid of because he wasn't Reich's guy...

DL downplaying Reich's ability as a coach. inferring that the Colt's improvment was because of the Oline coach...I'm sure Reich had nothing to do with it. [&o] But I took a leap and missed the target. And Pager praising Flip for redzone offence and Wentz taking a step back (inferring it was because of Flip's departure and not Reich's).

Yeah, DL. I took a bit of a leap, but I didn't miss the target at all.

and this could have easily been over without the insulting comment about my reading comprehension.

Not your best effort.

You used Foles as evidence and to minimize Flips contribution to Eagles Superbowl. I used Wentz and RZ offense to refute your point.

You inferred the rest.

And you missed the target badly.

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Ian Rapoport
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1h1 hour ago

The #Jaguars are expected to hire former #Vikings OC John DeFilippo as their new offensive coordinator, sources say. Doug Marrone took his time with such a key hire, but when the deal gets done, he’ll have his guy.

And the Jags offense will sputter a plenty under Flips Expert tutelage

That offense will progress only if they get a QB that is competent.

I was high on the Flip hire. My opinion of him hasn't changed.

Eagles did well because Doug Pederson is a good coach and Frank Reich was the OC. Foles sucked shit at first and then got better.

Pederson got more out of Foles this year and Foles is probably going to cash in as a result. Eagles made the playoffs and won a game
Reich went on to be Head coach of the Colts and they went from recent doormat to wild card team also winning a game in the playoffs.
Flip came to Minnesota and turned a NFCCG offense into a sputtering mess. Given a decent QB, RB, WRs and albeit a shitty Oline he did nothing to improve that unit and ignored the HC and did his own thing despite its weekly failures and his inability to adapt.

I'm sorry, Flip was NOT the reason for Foles success in Philadelphia last year. That was Pederson and Reich.


Flip road their coattails.

See my post above.

I never gave him credit for any of those things. But you do forget to mention that Wentz took a HUGE step back this year. Flip was in charge of the Eagles redzone offense, and they were excellent.

Time will tell. The ball don't lie.

Frank Reich was the OC and moved to The Colts who took a big step forward this year.

Coincidence? I think not.

Mostly due to the O-Line coach - that they just got rid of because he wasn't Reich's guy...

DL downplaying Reich's ability as a coach. inferring that the Colt's improvment was because of the Oline coach...I'm sure Reich had nothing to do with it. [&o] But I took a leap and missed the target. And Pager praising Flip for redzone offence and Wentz taking a step back (inferring it was because of Flip's departure and not Reich's).

Yeah, DL. I took a bit of a leap, but I didn't miss the target at all.

and this could have easily been over without the insulting comment about my reading comprehension.

Not your best effort.

You used Foles as evidence and to minimize Flips contribution to Eagles Superbowl. I used Wentz and RZ offense to refute your point.

You inferred the rest.

And you missed the target badly.

Matter of opinion.

I don't think I missed the target at all.

At least you didn't got the route of insult.

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Ian Rapoport
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1h1 hour ago

The #Jaguars are expected to hire former #Vikings OC John DeFilippo as their new offensive coordinator, sources say. Doug Marrone took his time with such a key hire, but when the deal gets done, he’ll have his guy.

And the Jags offense will sputter a plenty under Flips Expert tutelage

That offense will progress only if they get a QB that is competent.

I was high on the Flip hire. My opinion of him hasn't changed.

Eagles did well because Doug Pederson is a good coach and Frank Reich was the OC. Foles sucked shit at first and then got better.

Pederson got more out of Foles this year and Foles is probably going to cash in as a result. Eagles made the playoffs and won a game
Reich went on to be Head coach of the Colts and they went from recent doormat to wild card team also winning a game in the playoffs.
Flip came to Minnesota and turned a NFCCG offense into a sputtering mess. Given a decent QB, RB, WRs and albeit a shitty Oline he did nothing to improve that unit and ignored the HC and did his own thing despite its weekly failures and his inability to adapt.

I'm sorry, Flip was NOT the reason for Foles success in Philadelphia last year. That was Pederson and Reich.


Flip road their coattails.

See my post above.

I never gave him credit for any of those things. But you do forget to mention that Wentz took a HUGE step back this year. Flip was in charge of the Eagles redzone offense, and they were excellent.

Time will tell. The ball don't lie.

Frank Reich was the OC and moved to The Colts who took a big step forward this year.

Coincidence? I think not.

Mostly due to the O-Line coach - that they just got rid of because he wasn't Reich's guy...

DL downplaying Reich's ability as a coach. inferring that the Colt's improvment was because of the Oline coach...I'm sure Reich had nothing to do with it. [&o] But I took a leap and missed the target. And Pager praising Flip for redzone offence and Wentz taking a step back (inferring it was because of Flip's departure and not Reich's).

Yeah, DL. I took a bit of a leap, but I didn't miss the target at all.

and this could have easily been over without the insulting comment about my reading comprehension.

You started it with the attitude and condensation!

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So according to Pager and DL

Flip is a better coach that Frank Reich.

Sure. Ok. Got it.

Makes perfect sense to me.

If you want to have a civil conversation, I'm cool with that. But if you want to keep spiraling down this rabbit hole, I'm done.

Sure, Insult a guy then act like your being civil and say you're done. How very adult of you.

Condensation? I'm sure you meant Condescension. I responded to your posts. I was being my normal smartass self. You jumped down the insult rabbit hole. I insulted no one. Seriously. Don't question my reading comprehension again.

I'm ok with being done too.

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JUST DROP IT! Trump and Pelosi will reach an accord before you guys do.

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JUST DROP IT! Trump and Pelosi will reach an accord before you guys do.

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JUST DROP IT! Trump and Pelosi will reach an accord before you guys do.

I'm 100% done.