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ruffenach -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/29/2019 10:26:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Goessling does say in this morning’s Strib that Kubiak Senior was Stefanski’s choice to bring aboard ... which I had not seen in print before. That would dispel (if true) the ‘Stefanski as Kubiak puppet’ and ‘Zimmer replacement’ conspiracists in here. If you are going to be fired, I don't think it matters much if your replacement is here or somewhere else. Zimmer like assistance with a lot of experience and he has two that can coach up the offense. If their is a change next off season Spielman will be gone too and the new GM will hire the head coach. There was enough blame on the offensive line to go around. Poor personal, bringing back a player too early from injury, poor coaching, poor play selection, just to name a few. We are correcting the coaching staff and someone needs to do a better job of evaluating the entire offense. Cousins is here with his weaknesses, so you better figure out how to minimize them.

thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/29/2019 10:33:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ruffenach quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Goessling does say in this morning’s Strib that Kubiak Senior was Stefanski’s choice to bring aboard ... which I had not seen in print before. That would dispel (if true) the ‘Stefanski as Kubiak puppet’ and ‘Zimmer replacement’ conspiracists in here. If you are going to be fired, I don't think it matters much if your replacement is here or somewhere else. Zimmer like assistance with a lot of experience and he has two that can coach up the offense. If their is a change next off season Spielman will be gone too and the new GM will hire the head coach. There was enough blame on the offensive line to go around. Poor personal, bringing back a player too early from injury, poor coaching, poor play selection, just to name a few. We are correcting the coaching staff and someone needs to do a better job of evaluating the entire offense. Cousins is here with his weaknesses, so you better figure out how to minimize them. Dead coach.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/29/2019 10:38:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Goessling does say in this morning’s Strib that Kubiak Senior was Stefanski’s choice to bring aboard ... which I had not seen in print before. That would dispel (if true) the ‘Stefanski as Kubiak puppet’ and ‘Zimmer replacement’ conspiracists in here. Kubiak's health should dispel that way before anything else is brought up. A coach with a history of mini-strokes when putting in excessive hours should pretty much state what Kubiak's role is.

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/29/2019 10:56:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Goessling does say in this morning’s Strib that Kubiak Senior was Stefanski’s choice to bring aboard ... which I had not seen in print before. That would dispel (if true) the ‘Stefanski as Kubiak puppet’ and ‘Zimmer replacement’ conspiracists in here. Kubiak's health should dispel that way before anything else is brought up. No kidding.. The desperation of some to clutch at any straw that invokes “ blow it all up and start over” is laughable. The minute I saw some poster float the idea that Kubiak

jbusse -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/29/2019 12:25:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Goessling does say in this morning’s Strib that Kubiak Senior was Stefanski’s choice to bring aboard ... which I had not seen in print before. That would dispel (if true) the ‘Stefanski as Kubiak puppet’ and ‘Zimmer replacement’ conspiracists in here. Kubiak's health should dispel that way before anything else is brought up. No kidding.. The desperation of some to clutch at any straw that invokes “ blow it all up and start over” is laughable. The minute I saw some poster float the idea that Kubiak The thing with Zimmer is he's a very good head coach (as evident by his W-L record) in a situation where, from the perspective of a large part of the long suffering fan base, anything short of a Super Bowl victory is not good enough. It's a tough business, but that's why he gets paid the big bucks. I'm sure the Wilfs would agree.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/29/2019 1:31:52 PM)
The key to the team and also its biggest issue is the coaching. When Zimmer was the most successful he had former HC running the offense (Shurmur & Sporano in 2017). So shoring up the offense side with Kubiak and crew, bringing in a new ST coach, and hopefully upgrading the Oline talent and bringing in a 3rd WR/TE will be what we need. Many comment on Case in 2017 but forget how important Shurmur was to the success of that team.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/29/2019 1:39:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Goessling does say in this morning’s Strib that Kubiak Senior was Stefanski’s choice to bring aboard ... which I had not seen in print before. That would dispel (if true) the ‘Stefanski as Kubiak puppet’ and ‘Zimmer replacement’ conspiracists in here. Kubiak's health should dispel that way before anything else is brought up. A coach with a history of mini-strokes when putting in excessive hours should pretty much state what Kubiak's role is. Not to be all touchy-feely like Big O's "Dead coach" observation, but Don't be putting Fossil Kubiak on a deathwatch please.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/29/2019 1:43:35 PM)
One OG off the FA market ... Ian Rapoport ‏Verified account @RapSheet 4h4 hours ago The #Colts signed guard Mark Glowinski to a contract extension, they announced. Source said it’s a three-year deal worth $18M with a signing bonus of $4.2M. They lock him up before free agency.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/29/2019 1:44:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Goessling does say in this morning’s Strib that Kubiak Senior was Stefanski’s choice to bring aboard ... which I had not seen in print before. That would dispel (if true) the ‘Stefanski as Kubiak puppet’ and ‘Zimmer replacement’ conspiracists in here. Kubiak's health should dispel that way before anything else is brought up. A coach with a history of mini-strokes when putting in excessive hours should pretty much state what Kubiak's role is. Not to be all touchy-feely like Big O's "Dead coach" observation, but Don't be putting Fossil Kubiak on a deathwatch. I am not---just saying as an advisor he would work normal hours----way less than an OC or HC.

ruffenach -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/29/2019 1:54:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes One OG off the FA market ... Ian Rapoport ‏Verified account @RapSheet 4h4 hours ago The #Colts signed guard Mark Glowinski to a contract extension, they announced. Source said it’s a three-year deal worth $18M with a signing bonus of $4.2M. They lock him up before free agency. Top linemen are not going to see free agency. We will get to over pay for the second tier guys as a lot of teams will.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/29/2019 1:57:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ruffenach quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes One OG off the FA market ... Ian Rapoport ‏Verified account @RapSheet 4h4 hours ago The #Colts signed guard Mark Glowinski to a contract extension, they announced. Source said it’s a three-year deal worth $18M with a signing bonus of $4.2M. They lock him up before free agency. Top linemen are not going to see free agency. We will get to over pay for the second tier guys as a lot of teams will. That is cheap for a 27 year old lineman and only 3 years.

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/29/2019 2:04:56 PM)
I know Saffold has said he would like to re-up with the Rams. However, they are one of the few teams with less cap space than us. 1.65 ml per sportrac If he gets a ring this Sunday he could chase the money.

thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/29/2019 4:59:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Goessling does say in this morning’s Strib that Kubiak Senior was Stefanski’s choice to bring aboard ... which I had not seen in print before. That would dispel (if true) the ‘Stefanski as Kubiak puppet’ and ‘Zimmer replacement’ conspiracists in here. Kubiak's health should dispel that way before anything else is brought up. A coach with a history of mini-strokes when putting in excessive hours should pretty much state what Kubiak's role is. You would think he would be a bit leery of signing with the Vikings.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/29/2019 5:17:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes One OG off the FA market ... Ian Rapoport ‏Verified account @RapSheet 4h4 hours ago The #Colts signed guard Mark Glowinski to a contract extension, they announced. Source said it’s a three-year deal worth $18M with a signing bonus of $4.2M. They lock him up before free agency. Before free agency? Gasp. Wonder what the 'waiting until the draft is folly' crowd is going to do? More the goalposts I guess.

bohumm -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/29/2019 5:21:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes One OG off the FA market ... Ian Rapoport ‏Verified account @RapSheet 4h4 hours ago ' The #Colts signed guard Mark Glowinski to a contract extension, they announced. Source said it’s a three-year deal worth $18M with a signing bonus of $4.2M. They lock him up before free agency. Before free agency? Gasp. Wonder what the 'waiting until the draft is folly' crowd is going to do? More the goalposts I guess. Keep saying we have to acquire at least two interior linemen who can credibly start. Sign 'em or trade for 'em, we can't end up coming up short in the draft------again. We have two or three holes that have to be filled.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/29/2019 5:53:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes One OG off the FA market ... Ian Rapoport ‏Verified account @RapSheet 4h4 hours ago ' The #Colts signed guard Mark Glowinski to a contract extension, they announced. Source said it’s a three-year deal worth $18M with a signing bonus of $4.2M. They lock him up before free agency. Before free agency? Gasp. Wonder what the 'waiting until the draft is folly' crowd is going to do? More the goalposts I guess. Keep saying we have to acquire at least two interior linemen who can credibly start. Sign 'em or trade for 'em, we can't end up coming up short in the draft------again. We have two or three holes that have to be filled. Wow, right on cue! Still wondering what "credibly start" means. Sounds to me like a CYA term.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/29/2019 7:20:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes One OG off the FA market ... Ian Rapoport ‏Verified account @RapSheet 4h4 hours ago ' The #Colts signed guard Mark Glowinski to a contract extension, they announced. Source said it’s a three-year deal worth $18M with a signing bonus of $4.2M. They lock him up before free agency. Before free agency? Gasp. Wonder what the 'waiting until the draft is folly' crowd is going to do? More the goalposts I guess. Keep saying we have to acquire at least two interior linemen who can credibly start. Sign 'em or trade for 'em, we can't end up coming up short in the draft------again. We have two or three holes that have to be filled. Wow, right on cue! Still wondering what "credibly start" means. Sounds to me like a CYA term. You're right, it's awfully early. We should be pounding Kierkegaard and Nietzsche right now. Then after the Super Bowl, start full-bore on the prospect hand size and knee dimple measurements.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/29/2019 7:26:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Goessling does say in this morning’s Strib that Kubiak Senior was Stefanski’s choice to bring aboard ... which I had not seen in print before. That would dispel (if true) the ‘Stefanski as Kubiak puppet’ and ‘Zimmer replacement’ conspiracists in here. Kubiak's health should dispel that way before anything else is brought up. A coach with a history of mini-strokes when putting in excessive hours should pretty much state what Kubiak's role is. You would think he would be a bit leery of signing with the Vikings. Mayo Clinic.

ruffenach -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/29/2019 8:59:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: ruffenach quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes One OG off the FA market ... Ian Rapoport ‏Verified account @RapSheet 4h4 hours ago The #Colts signed guard Mark Glowinski to a contract extension, they announced. Source said it’s a three-year deal worth $18M with a signing bonus of $4.2M. They lock him up before free agency. Top linemen are not going to see free agency. We will get to over pay for the second tier guys as a lot of teams will. That is cheap for a 27 year old lineman and only 3 years. May well be, but giving a discount t his old team and is not someone available for free agency. Free agency is all about supply and demand, not some nebulous value.

Pager -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/29/2019 9:07:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Pager quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Pager quote: ORIGINAL: Viking Rich quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes If you are hanging on for dear life, you dont fix a problem by simply throwing in worse players. That is begging for an even worse situation. I myself am surprised they didnt try Isidora more but I dont watch him practice. I believe the personnel people failed miserably by targeting veterans Andrews, Jones, Edison, and as depth ... obviously none of them practiced to expectation. Bottomline, there arent plug and play OL on the street during the season to plug gaps. But the answer is not to simply stick someone worse for the sake of change. You try and get your better players healthier, better technique and continuity wise, and you adapt your playcalling to their strengths and avoid their weaknesses. I agree with you 100 percent Tom, but too often Zim has proven to stick with the same players, no matter how ineffective they are. Treadwell, Compton, Remmers, Hill and Sendejo are good examples. Sendejo wasn't a bad player, but I think Harris proved to be much more effective. It took Sendejo to get injured to bring Harris in. Same with O'Neil. Hill gets hurt and O'Neil comes in and plays better. I thought Jones and Isidora could have played just as bad as Compton/Elf/Remmers, but they were never really given an opportunity. And don't get me started on Treadwell. I had a lot of hope for him, but there could have been another player brought in and given a chance to produce. Change is good when it's needed. And I'll even give Remmers a slight pass. I still don't know why these coaches have a fascination to play guys out of their natural positions. Remmers was a much better RT than G. That Wiszcy guy got picked up by Chicago and started for them while Long was out. Jones played decently in NY last year. Both of which destroys the it's the personnel argument. It was both, coaching and front office. Neither get a pass from me. If you believe the posters over at Windy City Gridiron, there was no drop off from Long to Witzmann and several were advocating moving on from Long to save some cap space. Zimmer was praising the oline after the first Chicago game. I hope Kubiak can save Zimmer from himself. The less Zim is involved in the offense, the better. I am excited about Dennison as the new oline coach. Well if you concede that it was both personnel and coaching, it doesn't exactly 'destroy' the personnel argument. Unless by 'Front Office' you mean the executive staff (Spielman, etc.) pluck names out of a hat to populate the roster (without any pro personnel scouting or research). And no, I don't put much stock in the Windy City Gridiron. But just to clarify ... as a whole, I agree that coaching was a big part of the OL performance this past year. Which I attribute to a muddied OC situation and Sporano. We also did not score any help through free agency, even though we brought in 4 veterans with some starting experience. IMO that is not getting it done on a personnel level. That original premise was that there were better options than what we played all season. You argued that those that didn't play were inferior options. The rest is just noise. Got it. I'll keep it simple. IMO it wasn't just coaching ... we didn't bring in the right players to back up. That's personnel. You were a condescending prig after the draft and nothing has changed. Here's a few fan favorites: Maybe for Happy Norseman and Pager who are out there wandering the earth, anguished over their unslaked thirst for a RG or any OL at#30 ... then eviscerated by Spielman's inability to predict the draft. Two hollow draft souls they are. To sum it up ... The majority of posters didn't like the draft as a whole, during and shortly after. Most have moved on into the 'wait and see' position ... A few are now wholly positive and focused on the 'vast' potential of these never-before-heard-of prospects ... Some are still gnawing on their gall bladders over the RG-less #30 selection, and the effect of a combo Fahrenheit 451 / Handmaiden's Tale public censuring by the board afterwards. Stand up and take a bow. I'll make you a deal. When I block you after this post, you block me as well

ruffenach -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/29/2019 9:07:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Goessling does say in this morning’s Strib that Kubiak Senior was Stefanski’s choice to bring aboard ... which I had not seen in print before. That would dispel (if true) the ‘Stefanski as Kubiak puppet’ and ‘Zimmer replacement’ conspiracists in here. Kubiak's health should dispel that way before anything else is brought up. A coach with a history of mini-strokes when putting in excessive hours should pretty much state what Kubiak's role is. You would think he would be a bit leery of signing with the Vikings. Mayo Clinic. I can see how traveling and having to face the constant pressures of being a head coach or an offensive coordinator might aggravate one stroke condition, buy as an offensive advisor, a roll he has had before would hurt his stroke condition. He should be able to help the Vikings a lot.

thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/29/2019 9:32:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Pager quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Pager quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Pager quote: ORIGINAL: Viking Rich quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes If you are hanging on for dear life, you dont fix a problem by simply throwing in worse players. That is begging for an even worse situation. I myself am surprised they didnt try Isidora more but I dont watch him practice. I believe the personnel people failed miserably by targeting veterans Andrews, Jones, Edison, and as depth ... obviously none of them practiced to expectation. Bottomline, there arent plug and play OL on the street during the season to plug gaps. But the answer is not to simply stick someone worse for the sake of change. You try and get your better players healthier, better technique and continuity wise, and you adapt your playcalling to their strengths and avoid their weaknesses. I agree with you 100 percent Tom, but too often Zim has proven to stick with the same players, no matter how ineffective they are. Treadwell, Compton, Remmers, Hill and Sendejo are good examples. Sendejo wasn't a bad player, but I think Harris proved to be much more effective. It took Sendejo to get injured to bring Harris in. Same with O'Neil. Hill gets hurt and O'Neil comes in and plays better. I thought Jones and Isidora could have played just as bad as Compton/Elf/Remmers, but they were never really given an opportunity. And don't get me started on Treadwell. I had a lot of hope for him, but there could have been another player brought in and given a chance to produce. Change is good when it's needed. And I'll even give Remmers a slight pass. I still don't know why these coaches have a fascination to play guys out of their natural positions. Remmers was a much better RT than G. That Wiszcy guy got picked up by Chicago and started for them while Long was out. Jones played decently in NY last year. Both of which destroys the it's the personnel argument. It was both, coaching and front office. Neither get a pass from me. If you believe the posters over at Windy City Gridiron, there was no drop off from Long to Witzmann and several were advocating moving on from Long to save some cap space. Zimmer was praising the oline after the first Chicago game. I hope Kubiak can save Zimmer from himself. The less Zim is involved in the offense, the better. I am excited about Dennison as the new oline coach. Well if you concede that it was both personnel and coaching, it doesn't exactly 'destroy' the personnel argument. Unless by 'Front Office' you mean the executive staff (Spielman, etc.) pluck names out of a hat to populate the roster (without any pro personnel scouting or research). And no, I don't put much stock in the Windy City Gridiron. But just to clarify ... as a whole, I agree that coaching was a big part of the OL performance this past year. Which I attribute to a muddied OC situation and Sporano. We also did not score any help through free agency, even though we brought in 4 veterans with some starting experience. IMO that is not getting it done on a personnel level. That original premise was that there were better options than what we played all season. You argued that those that didn't play were inferior options. The rest is just noise. Got it. I'll keep it simple. IMO it wasn't just coaching ... we didn't bring in the right players to back up. That's personnel. You were a condescending prig after the draft and nothing has changed. Here's a few fan favorites: Maybe for Happy Norseman and Pager who are out there wandering the earth, anguished over their unslaked thirst for a RG or any OL at#30 ... then eviscerated by Spielman's inability to predict the draft. Two hollow draft souls they are. To sum it up ... The majority of posters didn't like the draft as a whole, during and shortly after. Most have moved on into the 'wait and see' position ... A few are now wholly positive and focused on the 'vast' potential of these never-before-heard-of prospects ... Some are still gnawing on their gall bladders over the RG-less #30 selection, and the effect of a combo Fahrenheit 451 / Handmaiden's Tale public censuring by the board afterwards. Stand up and take a bow. I'll make you a deal. When I block you after this post, you block me as well Pager, I'll quote his funny stuff for you.

Pager -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/29/2019 9:38:19 PM)
[&:] That's funnier than any of his shit bigo.

bohumm -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/29/2019 11:21:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes One OG off the FA market ... Ian Rapoport ‏Verified account @RapSheet 4h4 hours ago ' The #Colts signed guard Mark Glowinski to a contract extension, they announced. Source said it’s a three-year deal worth $18M with a signing bonus of $4.2M. They lock him up before free agency. Before free agency? Gasp. Wonder what the 'waiting until the draft is folly' crowd is going to do? More the goalposts I guess. Keep saying we have to acquire at least two interior linemen who can credibly start. Sign 'em or trade for 'em, we can't end up coming up short in the draft------again. We have two or three holes that have to be filled. Wow, right on cue! Still wondering what "credibly start" means. Sounds to me like a CYA term. I don't feel any need to cover my ass. It's my opinion that waiting until the draft---again---to fill the gaping holes in our line is folly, as proven last year. "Credibly start" is easy to understand if you really want to, but my guess is you'd rather continue bleating. Does "viable starter" work for you? And if we don't get two viable Day 1 starters in the draft (and roll the dice that Elflein or Easton will be viable even though they weren't this year) and we go into the season with holes in our interior O-line? That's fine with you?

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/29/2019 11:46:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Pager [&:] That's funnier than any of his shit bigo. True - but don’t be a suckass about it! (Just testing)

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