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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Hard to dispute these points.

https://thevikingage.com/2019/06/12/minnesota-vikings-extending-rudolph-right/

No it isn't hard at all. Here's Rudolph's game logs from last season:

San Fran, 1 catch for 11 yards and a TD
@Green Bay, 7 catches for 72 yards (game went through entire overtime period)
Buffalo, 5 catches for 48 yards and a TD
@Rams, 5 catches for 57 yards
@Philly, 5 catches for 41 yards
Arizona, 4 catches for 37 yards
@Jets, 1 catch for 16 yards
Saints, 4 catches for 39 yards
Detroit, 2 catches for 28 yards
@Chi, 2 catches for 13 yards
Green Bay, 7 catches for 63 yards
@Pats, 3 catches for 38 yards
@Sea, 2 catches for 7 yards
Mia, 3 catches for 23 yards
@Det, 9 catches for 122 yards and 2 TDs
Chi, 4 catches for 19 yards

Where did he go from week 4 through week 14 when he averaged 3 catches for 33 yards and scored ZERO TDs? The team went 5-5 during that stretch. I don't see the value. He had one huge outlier game and the rest was pedestrian at best. He was already overpaid for what we get from him and so we decided to extend him and pay him even more. This is one more reason why this franchise has never won a Super Bowl and won't challenge for one this year either.

To be a championship caliber team you have to make the tough but correct decisions.

Taking the season as a whole Rudy was good. He has been good for years. Based on other contracts Rudy was worth his 7.625 million for this year.
I agree with you that it seems the Vikings are unwilling to make the tough choices in letting their players move on. The Vikings decided it was worth giving Rudy a slight raise in pay to keep him around for two years and free up cap space for this year. That is an iffy choice. Keeping Barr I think was a flat out bad choice.
If we manage to win a Super Bowl in the next two years I won't care.

DF you can start a new thread. Kyle Rudolph must GO!

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2019/05/20/12-coaches-on-the-hot-seat-heading-into-the-2019-season/

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: marty

I am looking forward to next offseason when the Vikings either give Cousins an extension to get some cap relief for next season, or Cousins shows he is a team player and takes a Brady-like cut for the team.

He would have no reason to do any of that. I would love it if he did...but he doesn't seem like the kind of guy that will even talk about restructure. The Vikings have NO leverage on that one. They can't cut him, the hit to the cap would be massive. They would only be able to trade him and where would that leave us?

I have a feeling they draft a guy next year to replace him and let him walk after the 2020 season freeing up a big chunk of cap space.

But we will see.

The chances of drafting a QB that will be good after one year on the bench are remote. We really need to have Cousins for another 3 or 4 years even if we draft a QB in the first round next year. Then odds are that QB fails and we have to try for another.

We should've drafted him this year. but In any case, I believe we should be drafting a QB nearly every year.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Hard to dispute these points.

https://thevikingage.com/2019/06/12/minnesota-vikings-extending-rudolph-right/

No it isn't hard at all. Here's Rudolph's game logs from last season:

San Fran, 1 catch for 11 yards and a TD
@Green Bay, 7 catches for 72 yards (game went through entire overtime period)
Buffalo, 5 catches for 48 yards and a TD
@Rams, 5 catches for 57 yards
@Philly, 5 catches for 41 yards
Arizona, 4 catches for 37 yards
@Jets, 1 catch for 16 yards
Saints, 4 catches for 39 yards
Detroit, 2 catches for 28 yards
@Chi, 2 catches for 13 yards
Green Bay, 7 catches for 63 yards
@Pats, 3 catches for 38 yards
@Sea, 2 catches for 7 yards
Mia, 3 catches for 23 yards
@Det, 9 catches for 122 yards and 2 TDs
Chi, 4 catches for 19 yards

Where did he go from week 4 through week 14 when he averaged 3 catches for 33 yards and scored ZERO TDs? The team went 5-5 during that stretch. I don't see the value. He had one huge outlier game and the rest was pedestrian at best. He was already overpaid for what we get from him and so we decided to extend him and pay him even more. This is one more reason why this franchise has never won a Super Bowl and won't challenge for one this year either.

To be a championship caliber team you have to make the tough but correct decisions.

Taking the season as a whole Rudy was good. He has been good for years. Based on other contracts Rudy was worth his 7.625 million for this year.
I agree with you that it seems the Vikings are unwilling to make the tough choices in letting their players move on. The Vikings decided it was worth giving Rudy a slight raise in pay to keep him around for two years and free up cap space for this year. That is an iffy choice. Keeping Barr I think was a flat out bad choice.
If we manage to win a Super Bowl in the next two years I won't care.

DF you can start a new thread. Kyle Rudolph must GO!

If we win a Super Bowl in the next two years... I'll have Kyle Rudolph's baby.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2019/05/20/12-coaches-on-the-hot-seat-heading-into-the-2019-season/

Another mediocre season and Zimmer should worry. Spielman as well. Results matter.

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2019/05/20/12-coaches-on-the-hot-seat-heading-into-the-2019-season/

Another mediocre season and Zimmer should worry. Spielman as well. Results matter.

Putting Chucky on the list is a bit premature. Doesn't he have a 10 year contract?

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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I am looking forward to next offseason when the Vikings either give Cousins an extension to get some cap relief for next season, or Cousins shows he is a team player and takes a Brady-like cut for the team.

He would have no reason to do any of that. I would love it if he did...but he doesn't seem like the kind of guy that will even talk about restructure. The Vikings have NO leverage on that one. They can't cut him, the hit to the cap would be massive. They would only be able to trade him and where would that leave us?

I have a feeling they draft a guy next year to replace him and let him walk after the 2020 season freeing up a big chunk of cap space.

But we will see.

The chances of drafting a QB that will be good after one year on the bench are remote. We really need to have Cousins for another 3 or 4 years even if we draft a QB in the first round next year. Then odds are that QB fails and we have to try for another.

We should've drafted him this year. but In any case, I believe we should be drafting a QB nearly every year.

Do you have a QB in mind that we should have drafted? We could have taken Lock, but then the OL would have remained horrible. if we used our second rounder on a QB that costs us Irv Smith 3rd Round Mattison 4th Samia. After that was their any QB that had any chance to be a player. I like the guy the Patriots drafted Jarett Stidham from Auburn. We could have had him by giving up our fifth round pick and maybe one of our 6th round picks to move up.
I think he has a chance to be a starting QB in the NFL.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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I am looking forward to next offseason when the Vikings either give Cousins an extension to get some cap relief for next season, or Cousins shows he is a team player and takes a Brady-like cut for the team.

He would have no reason to do any of that. I would love it if he did...but he doesn't seem like the kind of guy that will even talk about restructure. The Vikings have NO leverage on that one. They can't cut him, the hit to the cap would be massive. They would only be able to trade him and where would that leave us?

I have a feeling they draft a guy next year to replace him and let him walk after the 2020 season freeing up a big chunk of cap space.

But we will see.

The chances of drafting a QB that will be good after one year on the bench are remote. We really need to have Cousins for another 3 or 4 years even if we draft a QB in the first round next year. Then odds are that QB fails and we have to try for another.

We should've drafted him this year. but In any case, I believe we should be drafting a QB nearly every year.

Do you have a QB in mind that we should have drafted? We could have taken Lock, but then the OL would have remained horrible. if we used our second rounder on a QB that costs us Irv Smith 3rd Round Mattison 4th Samia. After that was their any QB that had any chance to be a player. I like the guy the Patriots drafted Jarett Stidham from Auburn. We could have had him by giving up our fifth round pick and maybe one of our 6th round picks to move up.
I think he has a chance to be a starting QB in the NFL.

No. It's just a general feeling of mine, that the most important position on the field should get some attention every year and not just UNFA practice squad fodder. Cousins is signed through next year. Either he works out and we extend him for some ridiculous sum, or we move on and need another QB. It wouldn't have been a bad idea to have that QB on the roster. I'm not sure Sloter is the answer. I hope he grabs the backup job with both hands in an iron grip this year but if he doesn't then I believe he really has no future and unless the UDFA or Manion surprises the **** out of me, we are going to need a better QB to replace Cousins possibly as soon as 2021 and it would be better if that replacement were already on the roster.

Going the FA route will be expensive and Cap challenging to say the least. So I would prefer we go about finding the next Mahomes. But I don't know who that might be.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: marty

I am looking forward to next offseason when the Vikings either give Cousins an extension to get some cap relief for next season, or Cousins shows he is a team player and takes a Brady-like cut for the team.

He would have no reason to do any of that. I would love it if he did...but he doesn't seem like the kind of guy that will even talk about restructure. The Vikings have NO leverage on that one. They can't cut him, the hit to the cap would be massive. They would only be able to trade him and where would that leave us?

I have a feeling they draft a guy next year to replace him and let him walk after the 2020 season freeing up a big chunk of cap space.

But we will see.

The chances of drafting a QB that will be good after one year on the bench are remote. We really need to have Cousins for another 3 or 4 years even if we draft a QB in the first round next year. Then odds are that QB fails and we have to try for another.

We should've drafted him this year. but In any case, I believe we should be drafting a QB nearly every year.

Do you have a QB in mind that we should have drafted? We could have taken Lock, but then the OL would have remained horrible. if we used our second rounder on a QB that costs us Irv Smith 3rd Round Mattison 4th Samia. After that was their any QB that had any chance to be a player. I like the guy the Patriots drafted Jarett Stidham from Auburn. We could have had him by giving up our fifth round pick and maybe one of our 6th round picks to move up.
I think he has a chance to be a starting QB in the NFL.

No. It's just a general feeling of mine, that the most important position on the field should get some attention every year and not just UNFA practice squad fodder. Cousins is signed through next year. Either he works out and we extend him for some ridiculous sum, or we move on and need another QB. It wouldn't have been a bad idea to have that QB on the roster. I'm not sure Sloter is the answer. I hope he grabs the backup job with both hands in an iron grip this year but if he doesn't then I believe he really has no future and unless the UDFA or Manion surprises the **** out of me, we are going to need a better QB to replace Cousins possibly as soon as 2021 and it would be better if that replacement were already on the roster.

Going the FA route will be expensive and Cap challenging to say the least. So I would prefer we go about finding the next Mahomes. But I don't know who that might be.

I think that would be a prudent move. However, both coach and gm are on hot seat and are not looking long term at all. Looks like it's SB or bust the next 2 seasons. If they show something (Coach/gm) both get a long term ext and will be more future conscious. If we fall on our face the rebuild begins 2021 with new leadership at the helm.

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Saw the headline as I was walking into an all day conference. My first thought, what are the contract details? Sounds like Kyle did not give any kind of discount. Good on him, I don't fault him. Also sounds like a two year extension? With flexibility after next year? Good on the team.

Vikings going all in on to give Cousins weapons. Im optimistic about the line (last year not so much), think it can be average with the potential to be above average. If that comes to pass, a third weapon steps up (I'm also optimistic almost anyone will be an upgrade over Treadwell), and Cook stays healthy (now the knee is stronger - expect less soft tissue/hammy issues) this offense could surprise people.

5.1M over the cap by my estimation. Need to stay healthy so we can roll some over to next year. Really hoping some of the young guys surprise, like Collins to take the swing tackle spot so Hill can be traded or cut (save 2M). Need health (as always) and youth to impress.

Next year 21M over the cap, add 9 for Rudolph and we are 30 over the cap. Add in extension for Weatherly, Harris (10M) another 3M for draft picks. 10M cap increase means we gotta shave 35M or so. Griff and Reif likely gone. 25M roughly right there. Rhodes/Joseph/Harrison probably looking at restructures/and/or hard choices.

Better win this year.

not sure about your 2020 cap projection. over-the-cap has us at -3.3m next year (for the top 51) ... albeit without the rudy extension and projecting the salary cap up at 200m (nobody knows that number at this point).

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Pretty bad day for Sean Mannion, who threw a pair of picks (Epps and Boyd) and nearly threw another. A lot of PDs, too. Browning had his fair share of incompletions. By virtue of taking about two team reps, Sloter looked the best of the backups.

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Pretty bad day for Sean Mannion, who threw a pair of picks (Epps and Boyd) and nearly threw another. A lot of PDs, too. Browning had his fair share of incompletions. By virtue of taking about two team reps, Sloter looked the best of the backups.

This makes me happy.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

Saw the headline as I was walking into an all day conference. My first thought, what are the contract details? Sounds like Kyle did not give any kind of discount. Good on him, I don't fault him. Also sounds like a two year extension? With flexibility after next year? Good on the team.

Vikings going all in on to give Cousins weapons. Im optimistic about the line (last year not so much), think it can be average with the potential to be above average. If that comes to pass, a third weapon steps up (I'm also optimistic almost anyone will be an upgrade over Treadwell), and Cook stays healthy (now the knee is stronger - expect less soft tissue/hammy issues) this offense could surprise people.

5.1M over the cap by my estimation. Need to stay healthy so we can roll some over to next year. Really hoping some of the young guys surprise, like Collins to take the swing tackle spot so Hill can be traded or cut (save 2M). Need health (as always) and youth to impress.

Next year 21M over the cap, add 9 for Rudolph and we are 30 over the cap. Add in extension for Weatherly, Harris (10M) another 3M for draft picks. 10M cap increase means we gotta shave 35M or so. Griff and Reif likely gone. 25M roughly right there. Rhodes/Joseph/Harrison probably looking at restructures/and/or hard choices.

Better win this year.

not sure about your 2020 cap projection. over-the-cap has us at -3.3m next year (for the top 51) ... albeit without the rudy extension and projecting the salary cap up at 200m (nobody knows that number at this point).

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2020/

Has us 21M over.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/cap/2020/

Nothing jumps out to make me believe it's not accurate? If I have the energy, I might have to compare sites/contracts.

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ORIGINAL: David F.


If we win a Super Bowl in the next two years... I'll have Kyle Rudolph's baby.

Ain't no way that baby is looking pretty

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Pager

Saw the headline as I was walking into an all day conference. My first thought, what are the contract details? Sounds like Kyle did not give any kind of discount. Good on him, I don't fault him. Also sounds like a two year extension? With flexibility after next year? Good on the team.

Vikings going all in on to give Cousins weapons. Im optimistic about the line (last year not so much), think it can be average with the potential to be above average. If that comes to pass, a third weapon steps up (I'm also optimistic almost anyone will be an upgrade over Treadwell), and Cook stays healthy (now the knee is stronger - expect less soft tissue/hammy issues) this offense could surprise people.

5.1M over the cap by my estimation. Need to stay healthy so we can roll some over to next year. Really hoping some of the young guys surprise, like Collins to take the swing tackle spot so Hill can be traded or cut (save 2M). Need health (as always) and youth to impress.

Next year 21M over the cap, add 9 for Rudolph and we are 30 over the cap. Add in extension for Weatherly, Harris (10M) another 3M for draft picks. 10M cap increase means we gotta shave 35M or so. Griff and Reif likely gone. 25M roughly right there. Rhodes/Joseph/Harrison probably looking at restructures/and/or hard choices.

Better win this year.

not sure about your 2020 cap projection. over-the-cap has us at -3.3m next year (for the top 51) ... albeit without the rudy extension and projecting the salary cap up at 200m (nobody knows that number at this point).

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2020/

Has us 21M over.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/cap/2020/

Nothing jumps out to make me believe it's not accurate? If I have the energy, I might have to compare sites/contracts.

Sportrac just gives a total cap liability number. Not the actual cap number which is only the top 51 contracts.

For instance, our total cap liability number this yesr is about 22M over the cap (just like next year) ... but our actual cap number was below 2M pre-rudy extension. I believe now we are 4.5-5 under (post-rudy).

Over-the-cap breaks it down better. I think.

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If we win a Super Bowl in the next two years... I'll have Kyle Rudolph's baby.

Ain't no way that baby is looking pretty