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Jason Dorn -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/15/2019 4:30:22 AM)
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From the article - this one was tough to read.
Mike Zimmer’s best season as a coach - 2017 - ended ingloriously in a 38-7 blowout in the NFC championship. The Vikings had the best defense in the league, and the Eagles the second-best. But after the Vikings went up 7-0 to open the game, the Eagles adjusted on defense. Meanwhile, on offense, head coach Doug Pederson came up with a game plan that exposed Zimmer’s tendency to crowd the line to gain with defensive backs on 3rd down, among other things. That led to Xavier Rhodes to call out, “We’re getting schemed,” during the game - something apparent to most observers.
After the game- and season- was over, Zimmer admitted:
“I could have made some better calls. Sometimes when you’re sticking with things and it’s been successful for you, you continue to do it and maybe I did it a little bit too long.”
So by sticking with his tendencies, he became predictable and Doug Pederson came up with a game plan to beat them. And when a game plan works, it energizes the team, while the team being ‘schemed,’ as Xavier Rhodes put it, gets demoralized.
Zimmer lost that chess match, and with it perhaps some of the confidence he had earned as a defensive mastermind among his players.
I know it is the time for all things positive, but I think Zimmer is a poor HC. I put him just a touch above Frazier.
Publicly throw your OC under the bus. Complain about not running enough. Duh, you're the head motherfukcer in charge, change it and stop whining. How about continuing to put Treadwell on the field?
I have a difficult time being all in on a HC that repeatedly stated that our identity is run the ball and stop the run. Less than brilliant. Perhaps a bit better than playing for a blocked FG, but they live in the same historic world.
Our HC seems to have issues with his OC's, all of them. Maybe our HC shouldn't be in charge of the entire team. Perhaps he tops out as a very good DC.
47-32-1 vs 21-32-1 not seeing that as close as you do.
That's your sole criteria for evaluating a HC? If so, you must absolutely love Mike McCarthy.
I participated in the Mike Zimmer Golf Classic for his foundation- Shurmur was at the pre golf Par-TEE at TCO, unsure about the golf tournament. Was recognized by Zimmer warmly- FYI.
I have no idea why you think Zimmer's personal relationships are relevant.
As for Flip his offense was shut out for 3.5 quarters, until a meaningless TD was scored, ... by Leslie Frazier's defense. Considering Zimmer let Flip go - where does that put Flip on your hierarchy of coaches?
I personally think it is quite likely that DeFilippo is/will be a very good offensive coordinator.
Zimmer has had 4 OC's in 5 seasons as a head coach. Two of the OC's were terminated mid-season. Has that ever happened before?
You really think DeFilippo was the only problem in that game?
Then there is Belichick who speaks highly of Zimmer as a head coach.
The same Belichick who publicly spoke highly of Ryan Tannehill? Come on, that's really something you're going to use?
Week 15, 2016 at home against the Colts, fighting for a playoff spot, revealed a lot about Zimmer as a HC. Down 27 in the 3rd quarter.....we kicked a 32 yard field goal. Down 31 in the 4th quarter, we kicked another field goal.
We ran the ball 9 times in that game.
You made the statement about L Frazier. W/L are how coaches are evaluated and you know that. If Zimmer had a 500 record he would be gone. If Zimmer lost the team like Childress he would be gone. Still the record is a tangible comparison disputing your claim and attempt to discredit Coach Zimmer.
McCarthy won a SB and dominated the division for years, it went stale but that was quite a run. Just wow on that example - give Zimmer A Rodgers and what is his record- oh wait that is not important. McCarthy and the Packers never got the defense right - he is an offensive guy. I digress he won a SB but in your opinion it was probably despite him. Too bad Flip chose Minnesota had he stayed in Philly he might be in GB.
What are you an authority- I'm taking Belichick's opinion over yours 100% of the time.
Turner resigned be accurate. Shurmur was hired as a head coach. Only Flip was canned. Stefanski took over. Funny the one guy who produced for him landed a head coaching job. Turner just was OC of a flopped season in Carolina. Go Stefanski- actually hopeful he is the next in line to take over for Coach Zimmer when he retires after winning multiple SBs. I know in your opinion that is never going to happen because he is not a head coach and at best a DC.
Buffalo- scoring zero points is a problem. I was retorting your claim regarding Frazier and Zimmer. The fact is L Fraziers defense shut out Flip's offense- there is no dispute it is a fact unless you count meaningless TDs at the end- but Zimmer learned he did not kick a FG. Happened in Seattle as well- zero points when it counted. In Chicago the offense was setup twice by the defense with turnovers in the second half inside the 30 - result two FGs. 10 points against NE. 3 second half points against NO with another pick 6. Maybe Flip turns out to be a very good OC or head coach - maybe not time will tell. Thus far his track record indicates not so much. Zimmer produced as DC and earned his opportunity- Flip will need to do the same simple as that.
The defense went backwards last year to tenth overall in scoring from first. Two years that Zimmer has finished 500 the run game finished 30th/31st. Maybe you don't like it but that's the way its going to be. It is not about being a running team its about being a balanced team. Defense struggled stopping the run too but not to the degree the offense did. Both years injury and lack of depth on OL played a big part.
Nobody has 100% knowledge of why Flip was let go. Zimmer I guess stopped whining about running the ball and as the "man in charge" (sparing the vulgarity- have some control) made the decision to let Flip go. Maybe it was a poor working relationship that lacked respect for one another- guess who is going to win that power struggle.
I get it you don't respect Mike Zimmer. So be it. Sure Flip does not either. So be it. The Viking organization does and so do the players, plenty of fans as well. Sorry you will have to endure at least another year along with your buddies. That has to suck to hate the head coach so much - so in essence a failed season would purge the Vikings of the calamity that is Mike Zimmer based on what I have read from you and proclamation he is a terrible head coach.
What are you going to do if the Vikings win this season and Zimmer is retained? If they don't Zimmer is going to be let go. I expect that if that happens and will continue as a Viking fan supporting the next Head Coach. It is about winning - oh yeah that does not matter.
I am a Zimmer guy, you are not. Flip is in Jacksonville you can always root for them until the Vikings have a new head coach.
2015 the Vikings marched into GB in late December and won the division speaks volumes about Mike Zimmer as a head coach.
Finally who has Zimmer had as a QB? Cassel, rookie Bridgewater, and Ponder started in 2014 7-9.
Bridgewater 2015 11-5. 2016 Bridgewater is injured and had to give up 1st for Sam Bradford. Cse in 2017 and Cousins in 2018.
Not exactly Brady, Manning, Wilson, Brees, Rodgers, or Roethlisberger.
A good or fair comparison might be Tony Dungy. Built an amazing defense but the offense kept Tampa from being elite. Also Leslie Frazier had the respect of people including myself but just did not win games. Class act. Dungy won a SB with Manning.
I hope the story ends differently for Mike Zimmer in the sense he is not let go and leads the Vikings to the promised land, believe he can - we disagree so be it.
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