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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

As much as I would like to see Zimm and Speilman gone I think they probably get one more year to make it work.

The offense is getting worse each week.

Next year they turn it around or I think they are looking at a total rebuild.

At that point the defense will be over paid and the offense still crappy.

Next season Zimm and Speilman have their jobs on the line.

Minnesota pro sports is a tough one for fans.

Agree 100%. The Vikings are one year removed from playing in the NFCCC. No way Zim and RS get canned after this year, regardless of the teams collapse. If they don't show marked improvement and make a deep playoff run next year, they need to be shown the door. Spielman in particular needs to be held accountable. Heck, if he doesn't sign 2 FA guards and draft 2 more offensive lineman with high draft picks next year, I'd fire him before the season started.

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

As much as I would like to see Zimm and Speilman gone I think they probably get one more year to make it work.

The offense is getting worse each week.

Next year they turn it around or I think they are looking at a total rebuild.

At that point the defense will be over paid and the offense still crappy.

Next season Zimm and Speilman have their jobs on the line.

Minnesota pro sports is a tough one for fans.

Agree 100%. The Vikings are one year removed from playing in the NFCCC. No way Zim and RS get canned after this year, regardless of the teams collapse. If they don't show marked improvement and make a deep playoff run next year, they need to be shown the door. Spielman in particular needs to be held accountable. Heck, if he doesn't sign 2 FA guards and draft 2 more offensive lineman with high draft picks next year, I'd fire him before the season started.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

As much as I would like to see Zimm and Speilman gone I think they probably get one more year to make it work.

The offense is getting worse each week.

Next year they turn it around or I think they are looking at a total rebuild.

At that point the defense will be over paid and the offense still crappy.

Next season Zimm and Speilman have their jobs on the line.

Minnesota pro sports is a tough one for fans.

Agree 100%. The Vikings are one year removed from playing in the NFCCC. No way Zim and RS get canned after this year, regardless of the teams collapse. If they don't show marked improvement and make a deep playoff run next year, they need to be shown the door. Spielman in particular needs to be held accountable. Heck, if he doesn't sign 2 FA guards and draft 2 more offensive lineman with high draft picks next year, I'd fire him before the season started.

We could literally (and some did!) say that a year ago.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

I agree, I want blood and you could probably fire a Speilman and not disrupt the team but I doubt there is much of a point besides satisfying me being pissed off.

I hope Wilfs have a come to Jesus meeting with Zimm and Speilman and make it clear that next year better be a heck of a lot different or it’s over for both of them.

You have to do whatever is necessary to improve the OL, even if that means over paying, over drafting, and trading away some of Zimmer’s gold nuggets on defense. Pretty obvious how far an execellent defense takes you in this league and it isn’t very far.

Personally I think Zimmer is Buddy Ryan or Jeff Fisher. He gets one year to hopefully prove me wrong.

Would love to see a Super Bowl win before I am gone. It would be very special for my son and I to experience it together.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

They should back into playoffs. Unless they have a monumental collapse.

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JUstin Gaard @jgkfan

If you guys can't understand how a Head Coach consistently trashing and second guessing the OC is counter-productive I can't help you.

An example of Zim trashing Flip would be...?

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ORIGINAL: David F.

For next season (yes - I'm there already) we need three O-linemen, two linebackers, and a TE (two TEs if we don't keep Rudolph). That's six spots. It can't be done in one offseason. We can probably fill four of of those spots. Drafting G in round 1 and picking up Ebron in FA last offseason would have made it possible to reload for next season and be a contender again. We have five starting caliber CBs and an all-world S though and that helps our defensive guru head coach maintain his reputation for having great defense. So we've got that. Which is something.

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: David F.

For next season (yes - I'm there already) we need three O-linemen, two linebackers, and a TE (two TEs if we don't keep Rudolph). That's six spots. It can't be done in one offseason. We can probably fill four of of those spots. Drafting G in round 1 and picking up Ebron in FA last offseason would have made it possible to reload for next season and be a contender again. We have five starting caliber CBs and an all-world S though and that helps our defensive guru head coach maintain his reputation for having great defense. So we've got that. Which is something.

If we have to choose 4 of 6 spots, they all need to be offense. 3 lineman and a TE minimum. There are a number of TE's slated to be FA's next year including Jared Cook, Delanie Walker and Jesse James. I think we can find an upgrade to Rudolph.

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

I agree, I want blood and you could probably fire a Speilman and not disrupt the team but I doubt there is much of a point besides satisfying me being pissed off.

I hope Wilfs have a come to Jesus meeting with Zimm and Speilman and make it clear that next year better be a heck of a lot different or it’s over for both of them.

You have to do whatever is necessary to improve the OL, even if that means over paying, over drafting, and trading away some of Zimmer’s gold nuggets on defense. Pretty obvious how far an execellent defense takes you in this league and it isn’t very far.

Personally I think Zimmer is Buddy Ryan or Jeff Fisher. He gets one year to hopefully prove me wrong.

Would love to see a Super Bowl win before I am gone. It would be very special for my son and I to experience it together.

At the beginning of the year a lot of us voiced our displeasure with the fact that Spielman did not sufficiently address the oline, our one known area of weakness. Some folks argued that drafting a guy in the 2nd round and the 6th round was enough, and that we didn't want to "reach" for an olineman. After Randy Moss's rookie season the Packers drafted 3 cornerbacks. They didn't care if they reached for a player or they were ranked high enough by the pundits, they knew that they needed to address the problem and the more guys they had on their team the better the odds of finding studs who could play. Spielman needs to take this approach with the oline next year. We need 4 new guys minimum. 2 FA guards, 1 guard in the draft and one tackle within the first 3 rounds. If we need to weaken our D to achieve this, so be it.

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

I agree, I want blood and you could probably fire a Speilman and not disrupt the team but I doubt there is much of a point besides satisfying me being pissed off.

I hope Wilfs have a come to Jesus meeting with Zimm and Speilman and make it clear that next year better be a heck of a lot different or it’s over for both of them.

You have to do whatever is necessary to improve the OL, even if that means over paying, over drafting, and trading away some of Zimmer’s gold nuggets on defense. Pretty obvious how far an execellent defense takes you in this league and it isn’t very far.

Personally I think Zimmer is Buddy Ryan or Jeff Fisher. He gets one year to hopefully prove me wrong.

Would love to see a Super Bowl win before I am gone. It would be very special for my son and I to experience it together.

At the beginning of the year a lot of us voiced our displeasure with the fact that Spielman did not sufficiently address the oline, our one known area of weakness. Some folks argued that drafting a guy in the 2nd round and the 6th round was enough, and that we didn't want to "reach" for an olineman. After Randy Moss's rookie season the Packers drafted 3 cornerbacks. They didn't care if they reached for a player or they were ranked high enough by the pundits, they knew that they needed to address the problem and the more guys they had on their team the better the odds of finding studs who could play. Spielman needs to take this approach with the oline next year. We need 4 new guys minimum. 2 FA guards, 1 guard in the draft and one tackle within the first 3 rounds. If we need to weaken our D to achieve this, so be it.

Do you know who those guys were? Antuan Edwards a S, Fred Vinson a CB and Mike Mackenzie, only Mackenzie turned out to be a decent pro. Moss not only tortured the Packers on the field he forced them into a bad draft as well.

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

I agree, I want blood and you could probably fire a Speilman and not disrupt the team but I doubt there is much of a point besides satisfying me being pissed off.

I hope Wilfs have a come to Jesus meeting with Zimm and Speilman and make it clear that next year better be a heck of a lot different or it’s over for both of them.

You have to do whatever is necessary to improve the OL, even if that means over paying, over drafting, and trading away some of Zimmer’s gold nuggets on defense. Pretty obvious how far an execellent defense takes you in this league and it isn’t very far.

Personally I think Zimmer is Buddy Ryan or Jeff Fisher. He gets one year to hopefully prove me wrong.

Would love to see a Super Bowl win before I am gone. It would be very special for my son and I to experience it together.

At the beginning of the year a lot of us voiced our displeasure with the fact that Spielman did not sufficiently address the oline, our one known area of weakness. Some folks argued that drafting a guy in the 2nd round and the 6th round was enough, and that we didn't want to "reach" for an olineman. After Randy Moss's rookie season the Packers drafted 3 cornerbacks. They didn't care if they reached for a player or they were ranked high enough by the pundits, they knew that they needed to address the problem and the more guys they had on their team the better the odds of finding studs who could play. Spielman needs to take this approach with the oline next year. We need 4 new guys minimum. 2 FA guards, 1 guard in the draft and one tackle within the first 3 rounds. If we need to weaken our D to achieve this, so be it.

Do you know who those guys were? Antuan Edwards a S, Fred Vinson a CB and Mike Mackenzie, only Mackenzie turned out to be a decent pro. Moss not only tortured the Packers on the field he forced them into a bad draft as well.

The fact that they were lousy talent evaluators is irrelevant. The point is, the Packers recognized a deficiency and did everything they could to address it. We need to do the same, but instead of relying solely on the draft, we need to get known commodities in FA and supplement them with draft picks. 2019 is actually the perfect year to do it as we can free up a lot of salary on guys that are easily replaceable i.e. Remmers, Sendejo, Treadwell, Rudolph, plus Floyd's $4 mil cap space.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Well outside of a trade Cousins isn't going anywhere but dang he's playing poor.

Should have been gone two years ago: Mike Priefer, Kyle Rudolph, and Laquon Treadwell.

Should be gone by next season: Compton, Elflein, Remmers

Pick one and toss the other: Zimmer, Flip

AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP DRAFTING CBs in rounds one and two when our Oline can't block the Golden Girls.

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

I agree, I want blood and you could probably fire a Speilman and not disrupt the team but I doubt there is much of a point besides satisfying me being pissed off.

I hope Wilfs have a come to Jesus meeting with Zimm and Speilman and make it clear that next year better be a heck of a lot different or it’s over for both of them.

You have to do whatever is necessary to improve the OL, even if that means over paying, over drafting, and trading away some of Zimmer’s gold nuggets on defense. Pretty obvious how far an execellent defense takes you in this league and it isn’t very far.

Personally I think Zimmer is Buddy Ryan or Jeff Fisher. He gets one year to hopefully prove me wrong.

Would love to see a Super Bowl win before I am gone. It would be very special for my son and I to experience it together.

At the beginning of the year a lot of us voiced our displeasure with the fact that Spielman did not sufficiently address the oline, our one known area of weakness. Some folks argued that drafting a guy in the 2nd round and the 6th round was enough, and that we didn't want to "reach" for an olineman. After Randy Moss's rookie season the Packers drafted 3 cornerbacks. They didn't care if they reached for a player or they were ranked high enough by the pundits, they knew that they needed to address the problem and the more guys they had on their team the better the odds of finding studs who could play. Spielman needs to take this approach with the oline next year. We need 4 new guys minimum. 2 FA guards, 1 guard in the draft and one tackle within the first 3 rounds. If we need to weaken our D to achieve this, so be it.

Do you know who those guys were? Antuan Edwards a S, Fred Vinson a CB and Mike Mackenzie, only Mackenzie turned out to be a decent pro. Moss not only tortured the Packers on the field he forced them into a bad draft as well.

The fact that they were lousy talent evaluators is irrelevant. The point is, the Packers recognized a deficiency and did everything they could to address it. We need to do the same, but instead of relying solely on the draft, we need to get known commodities in FA and supplement them with draft picks. 2019 is actually the perfect year to do it as we can free up a lot of salary on guys that are easily replaceable i.e. Remmers, Sendejo, Treadwell, Rudolph, plus Floyd's $4 mil cap space.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

I agree, I want blood and you could probably fire a Speilman and not disrupt the team but I doubt there is much of a point besides satisfying me being pissed off.

I hope Wilfs have a come to Jesus meeting with Zimm and Speilman and make it clear that next year better be a heck of a lot different or it’s over for both of them.

You have to do whatever is necessary to improve the OL, even if that means over paying, over drafting, and trading away some of Zimmer’s gold nuggets on defense. Pretty obvious how far an execellent defense takes you in this league and it isn’t very far.

Personally I think Zimmer is Buddy Ryan or Jeff Fisher. He gets one year to hopefully prove me wrong.

Would love to see a Super Bowl win before I am gone. It would be very special for my son and I to experience it together.

At the beginning of the year a lot of us voiced our displeasure with the fact that Spielman did not sufficiently address the oline, our one known area of weakness. Some folks argued that drafting a guy in the 2nd round and the 6th round was enough, and that we didn't want to "reach" for an olineman. After Randy Moss's rookie season the Packers drafted 3 cornerbacks. They didn't care if they reached for a player or they were ranked high enough by the pundits, they knew that they needed to address the problem and the more guys they had on their team the better the odds of finding studs who could play. Spielman needs to take this approach with the oline next year. We need 4 new guys minimum. 2 FA guards, 1 guard in the draft and one tackle within the first 3 rounds. If we need to weaken our D to achieve this, so be it.

Do you know who those guys were? Antuan Edwards a S, Fred Vinson a CB and Mike Mackenzie, only Mackenzie turned out to be a decent pro. Moss not only tortured the Packers on the field he forced them into a bad draft as well.

The fact that they were lousy talent evaluators is irrelevant. The point is, the Packers recognized a deficiency and did everything they could to address it. We need to do the same, but instead of relying solely on the draft, we need to get known commodities in FA and supplement them with draft picks. 2019 is actually the perfect year to do it as we can free up a lot of salary on guys that are easily replaceable i.e. Remmers, Sendejo, Treadwell, Rudolph, plus Floyd's $4 mil cap space.

Also they didn't stop in 1999. The next year they picked up Allen Rossum in FA, the year after that they drafted Jue, in 2002 they used a third-round-pick on a FS that didn't work out, in 2003 they picked up Al Harris and in 2004 they drafted CB with their first two picks getting Ahmad Carrol and another that didn't work out. By this point they had won the NFC North two years in a row.

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ORIGINAL: marty

The Bears might lose the last game to the Vikings, so the Bears get the Vikings in the playoffs, instead of the hot Packers.