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Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/11/2018 12:49:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Will Brinson

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ESPN mic just picked up Adam Thielen yelling "it's been there all f---ing day" after a big catch and run. Awkward


ITS KIRK COUSINS... he isnt seeing the field fully....

He is very prone to making presnap reads and he locks on to receivers... May be a bit more of a product of our shit OL but it has magnified Kirks style of play.

How often have you seen Kirk look off his primary target or go through his progressions fully while moving up in pocket or sliding away from pressure? Its not his strong point and he will admit as much! He is very prone to locking on to his desired first read and staring it down, then wen D reads that and covers he doesnt look over the whole field well. This especially equates to plays or receivers opening up to his left down field... replay often shows open targets in this area down field while Kirk is laboring to turn around and throw those crazy laterals and short improvised dump offs to outlets that are covered behind the LOS and quite short of the sticks....

Opposing D coordinators know these tendencies from watching the tape on Kirk and players have come out and said as much... Last night the D said they knew what Kirk would do when they pressured in specific ways... This is BAD and the OC has to break tendencies as well as use them to advantage to scheme out of and create big plays with D thinking they have upper hand... NONE of that was happening with Flip lately and Zimmer just wants to keep dumbing it all down more...

Its very frustrating to us, imagine what its doing to Diggs and Theilen !




TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/11/2018 12:53:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Well outside of a trade Cousins isn't going anywhere but dang he's playing poor.

Should have been gone two years ago: Mike Priefer, Kyle Rudolph, and Laquon Treadwell.

Should be gone by next season: Compton, Elflein, Remmers

Pick one and toss the other: Zimmer, Flip

AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP DRAFTING CBs in rounds one and two when our Oline can't block the Golden Girls.


Agreed.

I would toss Zimmer right now and give Flip a shot at the last 3 games.

But Flip's lack of creativity in short yardage (motions, picks, exploiting edges while faking up the middle) have me extremely concerned about him as well.

I'm putting lack of creativity on Zim. He said a couple of weeks ago he wanted simple.



If he were calling the plays I would agree.

But he's not.

He wants a solid running attack as it controls the ball and keeps the other team's offense off the field, plus it makes play action work a lot better.

Creativity isn't the problem, it's that we have a sieve for an Oline.


You can scheme to reduce the impact of a weak line. Long developing run plays and passing schemes based on creating angles don't work well with the level of inside penetration our GCG trio allows play after play. If you go to a quick hitting run game, the guards and the center aren't required to hold their blocks as long. If you scheme it right, you can even use the DL's surge up field against them. Then start rolling out in the passing game. It won't turn us into an offensive juggernaut, but it can help mitigate a lot of weaknesses.




Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/11/2018 1:00:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Well outside of a trade Cousins isn't going anywhere but dang he's playing poor.

Should have been gone two years ago: Mike Priefer, Kyle Rudolph, and Laquon Treadwell.

Should be gone by next season: Compton, Elflein, Remmers

Pick one and toss the other: Zimmer, Flip

AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP DRAFTING CBs in rounds one and two when our Oline can't block the Golden Girls.


Agreed.

I would toss Zimmer right now and give Flip a shot at the last 3 games.

But Flip's lack of creativity in short yardage (motions, picks, exploiting edges while faking up the middle) have me extremely concerned about him as well.

I'm putting lack of creativity on Zim. He said a couple of weeks ago he wanted simple.



If he were calling the plays I would agree.

But he's not.

He wants a solid running attack as it controls the ball and keeps the other team's offense off the field, plus it makes play action work a lot better.

Creativity isn't the problem, it's that we have a sieve for an Oline.


You can scheme to reduce the impact of a weak line. Long developing run plays and passing schemes based on creating angles don't work well with the level of inside penetration our GCG trio allows play after play. If you go to a quick hitting run game, the guards and the center aren't required to hold their blocks as long. If you scheme it right, you can even use the DL's surge up field against them. Then start rolling out in the passing game. It won't turn us into an offensive juggernaut, but it can help mitigate a lot of weaknesses.

BUT you have to have a captain on the field who can make rolling out and having field awareness with ability to scan entire field for open outlets when primary breaks down imparetive...

Kirk openly admits thats not his game... and it shows badly...

It was extremely amplified in Flipps schemes and system as from what were strong points in what Flipp ran previously were dependant on a QB that had those skills...

BAD FIT all together with our porous OL




SoMnFan -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/11/2018 1:01:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Will Brinson

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ESPN mic just picked up Adam Thielen yelling "it's been there all f---ing day" after a big catch and run. Awkward

This old dude picked that up during the game in real time.
Its pretty damn easy to see the complete mess we had become by the end last night.
One scapegoat is gone. Others soon to follow.
As Sweens is trying to point out, EVERYY team has weaknesses. You scheme to overcome those. It takes creativity and vision and sometimes a change in philosophy.
I don't care if you throw the ball every damn down. If you win, it's working.
NFL play-calling is COMPLETELY different than it was 2-3 years ago. You're blind if you don't see it.
Can't protect your QB?
MOVE HIM
Can't run-block?
STOP RUNNING YOUR BACKS LATERALLY
In many ways we are WAY over-thinking this stuff.




Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/11/2018 1:03:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Will Brinson

@WillBrinson

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ESPN mic just picked up Adam Thielen yelling "it's been there all f---ing day" after a big catch and run. Awkward

I heard it live! I assumed it was a coach or something though.




TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/11/2018 1:04:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Well outside of a trade Cousins isn't going anywhere but dang he's playing poor.

Should have been gone two years ago: Mike Priefer, Kyle Rudolph, and Laquon Treadwell.

Should be gone by next season: Compton, Elflein, Remmers

Pick one and toss the other: Zimmer, Flip

AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP DRAFTING CBs in rounds one and two when our Oline can't block the Golden Girls.


Agreed.

I would toss Zimmer right now and give Flip a shot at the last 3 games.

But Flip's lack of creativity in short yardage (motions, picks, exploiting edges while faking up the middle) have me extremely concerned about him as well.

I'm putting lack of creativity on Zim. He said a couple of weeks ago he wanted simple.



If he were calling the plays I would agree.

But he's not.

He wants a solid running attack as it controls the ball and keeps the other team's offense off the field, plus it makes play action work a lot better.

Creativity isn't the problem, it's that we have a sieve for an Oline.


You can scheme to reduce the impact of a weak line. Long developing run plays and passing schemes based on creating angles don't work well with the level of inside penetration our GCG trio allows play after play. If you go to a quick hitting run game, the guards and the center aren't required to hold their blocks as long. If you scheme it right, you can even use the DL's surge up field against them. Then start rolling out in the passing game. It won't turn us into an offensive juggernaut, but it can help mitigate a lot of weaknesses.

BUT you have to have a captain on the field who can make rolling out and having field awareness with ability to scan entire field for open outlets when primary breaks down imparetive...

Kirk openly admits thats not his game... and it shows badly...

It was extremely amplified in Flipps schemes and system as from what were strong points in what Flipp ran previously were dependant on a QB that had those skills...

BAD FIT all together with our porous OL



I assume you are talking about scrambling to save a busted play. If you are talking planned roll outs, Cousins excels at that game. Shannahan based his offensive schemes in Washington around that aspect of Cousins game.




kevinemmer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/11/2018 1:06:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Well outside of a trade Cousins isn't going anywhere but dang he's playing poor.

Should have been gone two years ago: Mike Priefer, Kyle Rudolph, and Laquon Treadwell.

Should be gone by next season: Compton, Elflein, Remmers

Pick one and toss the other: Zimmer, Flip

AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP DRAFTING CBs in rounds one and two when our Oline can't block the Golden Girls.


Agreed.

I would toss Zimmer right now and give Flip a shot at the last 3 games.

But Flip's lack of creativity in short yardage (motions, picks, exploiting edges while faking up the middle) have me extremely concerned about him as well.

I'm putting lack of creativity on Zim. He said a couple of weeks ago he wanted simple.



If he were calling the plays I would agree.

But he's not.

He wants a solid running attack as it controls the ball and keeps the other team's offense off the field, plus it makes play action work a lot better.

Creativity isn't the problem, it's that we have a sieve for an Oline.


Ah but lack of creativity is a problem when you have a sieve for an O-line and you run an up-right Tay Train behind our Guards into the teeth of stacked lines in short-yardage situations when the D and everyone else can see what is coming.

The O was a total cluster-buck, esp in short-yardage:
No motions, no fake up the middle, no bootlegs, no picks, no
quick-hitting mis-direction hand-offs/pitches, no plan whatsoever to attack the edges in short yardage.
Kirk holding the ball way beyond reason.

Late to the line of scrimmage, no urgency, no crisp execution ("I'm all for it!"), just a sluggish circus of clowns.

We came very close to 2 consecutive delay of game calls. Wow!

Cousins and Cook were running into each other, Cousins throwing backwards with wide open Thielen, we looked like the 11 stooges out there.

Are we messed up due to Zimmer interfering? Quite possibly.

At least Stefanski has some history with Zimmer, hopefully they work together better than what we've been seeing, it can't get much worse.

PS
Can Dora and Jones really be worse than Compton and Remmers?
Please try something new than this crap we're failing at over and over.
Why is Treadwell still on the field?
Why isn't Zylstra?

Mac over Kearse?
Gedeon over Wilson?

Ugh




Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/11/2018 1:06:56 PM)

I still contend that signing Kirk and adding Flipp behind an OL that was criminally neglected was tantamount to our failures...

Its perfectly comparable to Viking history... Think of Herschel Walker signing... a great player in his own right, but plugged into the wrong system and incorrectly used by and OC that couldnt adapt schemes to correctly get results from the sum of all parts...

Been there, did that, and it didnt end well either...




TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/11/2018 1:09:53 PM)

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Can Dora and Jones really be worse than Compton and Remmers?



This is one, I just don't get. Dora has no shortage of warts, but dear God, the LG play improved noticeably when Compton was out and Dora filled in. I see subbing Jones for either Remmers or Elf for that matter. Elflein has been noticeable weak at the point of attack. He just gets blown back into Cousins' lap. Our tackle play really hasn't been THAT bad.




Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/11/2018 1:12:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Well outside of a trade Cousins isn't going anywhere but dang he's playing poor.

Should have been gone two years ago: Mike Priefer, Kyle Rudolph, and Laquon Treadwell.

Should be gone by next season: Compton, Elflein, Remmers

Pick one and toss the other: Zimmer, Flip

AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP DRAFTING CBs in rounds one and two when our Oline can't block the Golden Girls.


Agreed.

I would toss Zimmer right now and give Flip a shot at the last 3 games.

But Flip's lack of creativity in short yardage (motions, picks, exploiting edges while faking up the middle) have me extremely concerned about him as well.

I'm putting lack of creativity on Zim. He said a couple of weeks ago he wanted simple.



If he were calling the plays I would agree.

But he's not.

He wants a solid running attack as it controls the ball and keeps the other team's offense off the field, plus it makes play action work a lot better.

Creativity isn't the problem, it's that we have a sieve for an Oline.


You can scheme to reduce the impact of a weak line. Long developing run plays and passing schemes based on creating angles don't work well with the level of inside penetration our GCG trio allows play after play. If you go to a quick hitting run game, the guards and the center aren't required to hold their blocks as long. If you scheme it right, you can even use the DL's surge up field against them. Then start rolling out in the passing game. It won't turn us into an offensive juggernaut, but it can help mitigate a lot of weaknesses.

BUT you have to have a captain on the field who can make rolling out and having field awareness with ability to scan entire field for open outlets when primary breaks down imparetive...

Kirk openly admits thats not his game... and it shows badly...

It was extremely amplified in Flipps schemes and system as from what were strong points in what Flipp ran previously were dependant on a QB that had those skills...

BAD FIT all together with our porous OL



I assume you are talking about scrambling to save a busted play. If you are talking planned roll outs, Cousins excels at that game. Shannahan based his offensive schemes in Washington around that aspect of Cousins game.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/12/11/kirk-cousins-if-offense-brought-it-we-would-be-pretty-dangerous/

“What I felt coming off the field is there’s always a balance, a really hard balance to find between sitting in the pocket, going through your read, staying patient and then getting out of the pocket, giving up on the play and playing off schedule,” Cousins said. “And I think that’s something I’m going to go back and watch as to when do I want to quit on a play and get out and scramble and try to make something off schedule. I think I have the athleticism to do that. I think that’s in my game. I don’t think it’s something I do a lot of or enough, maybe, and when you have a pass rush like the Seahawks tonight, getting in there and influencing the plays and coverage, that was pretty sound. Maybe there were some times where I could’ve done that.”

Thats not how I want my QB questioning his skill set in public! I mean DAMN!




Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/11/2018 1:13:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

I still contend that signing Kirk and adding Flipp behind an OL that was criminally neglected was tantamount to our failures...

Its perfectly comparable to Viking history... Think of Herschel Walker signing... a great player in his own right, but plugged into the wrong system and incorrectly used by and OC that couldnt adapt schemes to correctly get results from the sum of all parts...

Been there, did that, and it didnt end well either...

The sooner we get some coaches with creativity and vision the better. I think I can safely say that isn't going to come from within. I would think if we miss the playoffs the owner would be smart enough to just blow up the sinking ship instead of trotting the same uncreative BS next year. Is this the first move in narrowing down the problem? Perhaps.




kevinemmer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/11/2018 1:13:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Well outside of a trade Cousins isn't going anywhere but dang he's playing poor.

Should have been gone two years ago: Mike Priefer, Kyle Rudolph, and Laquon Treadwell.

Should be gone by next season: Compton, Elflein, Remmers

Pick one and toss the other: Zimmer, Flip

AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP DRAFTING CBs in rounds one and two when our Oline can't block the Golden Girls.


Agreed.

I would toss Zimmer right now and give Flip a shot at the last 3 games.

But Flip's lack of creativity in short yardage (motions, picks, exploiting edges while faking up the middle) have me extremely concerned about him as well.

I'm putting lack of creativity on Zim. He said a couple of weeks ago he wanted simple.



If he were calling the plays I would agree.

But he's not.

He wants a solid running attack as it controls the ball and keeps the other team's offense off the field, plus it makes play action work a lot better.

Creativity isn't the problem, it's that we have a sieve for an Oline.


You can scheme to reduce the impact of a weak line. Long developing run plays and passing schemes based on creating angles don't work well with the level of inside penetration our GCG trio allows play after play. If you go to a quick hitting run game, the guards and the center aren't required to hold their blocks as long. If you scheme it right, you can even use the DL's surge up field against them. Then start rolling out in the passing game. It won't turn us into an offensive juggernaut, but it can help mitigate a lot of weaknesses.


THIS!




Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/11/2018 1:21:55 PM)

https://www.nbcsports.com/video/kirk-cousins-prime-time-struggles-are-real?ls=pftvod

KIRK COUSINS = REX GROSSMAN

(though my son's felt maybe Kyle Orton was a better comparison)




The Happy Norseman -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/11/2018 1:31:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Ben Leber

@nacholeber

Obviously not the ideal way to get the opportunity but I couldn’t be happier for Stefanski. He’s an exceptional coach who understands players’ skill sets and everyone respects him. I’m excited to see what he can do. #Vikings #skol


Stefanski does have the advantage of really knowing these players. He obviously understands their skill set but will he be able to devise a scheme that takes full advantage?




David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/11/2018 1:38:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

https://www.nbcsports.com/video/kirk-cousins-prime-time-struggles-are-real?ls=pftvod

KIRK COUSINS = REX GROSSMAN

(though my son's felt maybe Kyle Orton was a better comparison)


So you think Cousins can get us to the Super Bowl?

Cool.




The Happy Norseman -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/11/2018 1:38:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Well outside of a trade Cousins isn't going anywhere but dang he's playing poor.

Should have been gone two years ago: Mike Priefer, Kyle Rudolph, and Laquon Treadwell.

Should be gone by next season: Compton, Elflein, Remmers

Pick one and toss the other: Zimmer, Flip

AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP DRAFTING CBs in rounds one and two when our Oline can't block the Golden Girls.


Agreed.

I would toss Zimmer right now and give Flip a shot at the last 3 games.

But Flip's lack of creativity in short yardage (motions, picks, exploiting edges while faking up the middle) have me extremely concerned about him as well.

I'm putting lack of creativity on Zim. He said a couple of weeks ago he wanted simple.



If he were calling the plays I would agree.

But he's not.

He wants a solid running attack as it controls the ball and keeps the other team's offense off the field, plus it makes play action work a lot better.

Creativity isn't the problem, it's that we have a sieve for an Oline.


You can scheme to reduce the impact of a weak line. Long developing run plays and passing schemes based on creating angles don't work well with the level of inside penetration our GCG trio allows play after play. If you go to a quick hitting run game, the guards and the center aren't required to hold their blocks as long. If you scheme it right, you can even use the DL's surge up field against them. Then start rolling out in the passing game. It won't turn us into an offensive juggernaut, but it can help mitigate a lot of weaknesses.


Our brutal oline is going to hold us back regardless of scheme, but if Stefanski makes the sort of logical changes you're suggesting and we enjoy some success, we'll at least have found our OC for next year. Small victories at this point...




David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/11/2018 1:42:44 PM)

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Priefer gets a lot of heat because of his very politically incorrect rant. Frankly I think his impact is way overblown. I doubt he is working with the kickers stroke.

Zimmer is likely more to blame with his treatment of the kickers.



Hateful, insensitive, and sub-human rant.




David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/11/2018 1:43:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Priefer gets a lot of heat because of his very politically incorrect rant. Frankly I think his impact is way overblown. I doubt he is working with the kickers stroke.

Zimmer is likely more to blame with his treatment of the kickers.


Actually, he does work with kickers on their stroke. And after this many years as an ST coach, he damn well should know what he is doing. Both Carlson and Walsh had talked about Priefer making adjustments with their stroke and their timing. The kicker is only one part of ST. Priefer's coverage units have also been prone to giving up the big return.


And blocked punts galore!




Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/11/2018 1:47:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

https://www.nbcsports.com/video/kirk-cousins-prime-time-struggles-are-real?ls=pftvod

KIRK COUSINS = REX GROSSMAN

(though my son's felt maybe Kyle Orton was a better comparison)


So you think Cousins can get us to the Super Bowl?

Cool.

ABSOLUTELY!

thats is why I chose that comparison!

I think Kirk Cousins has skill sets that when coupled with a like minded OC that schemes to his strong points can take a team to a big game...

And just like the Rex Grossman lead Bears the stifling D got them to the big dance... Though it is known that Rexy is the WORST QB ever to play in a Super Bowl...

I think Kirk could get us there in a perfect storm behind a competent or "good" OL and a scheme from an OC that fits him...

CAN HE WIN A BIG GAME ON NATIONAL STAGE THOUGH even if he does?

That monkey will define his career...




Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/11/2018 1:56:59 PM)

I cannot wait to see the Pack hire John D as their coach!

Absolutely hope for the train wreck to follow but suspect that his past schemes and strengths with systems might perfectly fit Arods skill set...

Would be interesting for sure to get a repeat of past Vikings coaches left for another team only to take them to SB win right to our biggest division rival...

VIKING Karma maybe?




ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/11/2018 1:57:39 PM)

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they showed a graphic during the game where zimmer had never won a game while running the ball under 20 times...excluding three runs by cousins, we only ran the ball 18 times last night....




marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/11/2018 2:12:31 PM)

Is Preifer fired yet ?

I agree with the commentator that it's likely the Vikes could have gotten off the kick that was blocked sooner, and they also could have done a better job of blocking the Seahawks on that play.

And Preifer fuchs up kickers mechanics, and he is an @sshole that has players playing nervous.




The Happy Norseman -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/11/2018 2:27:19 PM)

Somegood points made by Coller.

Firing DeFilippo was the only option left for Vikings

John DeFilippo is a bright offensive mind and he might someday become a great offensive coordinator, but something had to change for the Minnesota Vikings.

After being shut down on national TV in Seattle, the Vikings dropped to 6-6-1 in large part because of the 20th ranked scoring offense. They nearly went six quarters without a score — a streak that was only ended by a garbage-time touchdown at the end of Monday night’s loss.

The Vikings offense never seemed to find its groove the way it did in 2017. They put together some strong performances early against Green Bay and Los Angeles, but were also shut down in an embarrassing loss to the Buffalo Bills and still saw long stretches of ineptitude against some of the league’s worst teams in Arizona, New York and Detroit.

In a Sunday night win over Green Bay, it seemed the Vikings solved many of their biggest problems. They ran successfully at times, found talented running back Dalvin Cook on a screen touchdown, threw to Kyle Rudolph effectively and created one-on-one match ups for Stefon Diggs and Adam Thielen.

But everything came apart the last two weeks. DeFilippo was out-schemed badly by New England head coach Bill Belichick, who confused the Vikings offense by not tipping his hand pre-snap and then the Seahawks shut down repeated efforts by the Vikings on normally-convertible third downs. They went 2-for-7 on third downs with less than four yards to go. Seattle also took Thielen and Diggs out of the game on key passing situations by double teaming them, which seemed to leave the Vikings offense baffled.

By the end of Monday night’s game, Thielen and Diggs were showing their frustration and Mike Zimmer was out of answers.

Zimmer had been pushing for weeks for changes but the lack of progress only left one button to push. He can’t change quarterbacks or offensive lines or sign a No. 3 receiver who can get open on third down. He can only try a new offensive coordinator.

Kevin Stefanski probably should have been given the OC job last offseason. After all, he’s spent the last 13 years as a position coach and played an integral role in maximizing the talents of Case Keenum.

For whatever reason, the Vikings values DeFilippo’s role in helping Nick Foles more than Stefanski’s with Keenum.

Now we can expect to see shades of Pat Shurmur, the Vikings’ 2017 OC who guided them to a top 10 scoring offense despite the loss of his quarterback, running back and injuries on the offensive line.

Much has been made of Zimmer’s request to run the ball more often, but the volume of runs isn’t as important as using the team’s most dynamic player with the ball in more effective ways.

Over the last two weeks, Dalvin Cook has gained just 50 yards through the air on 13 catches.

A return to the outside running scheme seems inevitable as well. Throughout the year the Vikings have continually run up the middle behind their two struggling guards without any success to be found.

Most importantly Stefanski has a chance to adopt Shurmur’s mentality of making the offense more of a collaborative effort. Players raved about Shurmur’s interest in their opinions when it came to gameplans. Kirk Cousins and Stefanski have been working closely together this year and should have the ability to communicate and work more toward Cousins’ strengths and preferences. Diggs and Thielen are highly intelligent football minds and should have a voice in decisions. It doesn’t appear that they had the same type of influence this year that they did under Shurmur.

While an OC change at this point in the game may seem like a panicked move, there is precedent. In 2012 the Ravens fired Cam Cameron in favor of Jim Caldwell. They went on to put together one of the best performances by a quarterback in postseason history and win the Super Bowl.

The way the Vikings defense is playing, an offensive turnaround could give them a chance to achieve the goals they set out to accomplish in training camp. They allowed just 72 yards passing to Russell Wilson and only six points late into the fourth quarter. The defense has repeatedly given the Vikings a shot to win big games, including against the Saints and Patriots.

Certainly Stefanski isn’t a cure-all. The offensive line is still going to limit what the Vikings can do on offense, but in order to have a shot the Vikings don’t have to be elite on offense, just effective. They haven’t been anywhere close to effective lately.

Zimmer picked the right week to make a change. The Vikings come back home against a competitive, but not great, Dolphins team. They need to prove a winning team can be defeated in order to avoid a complete season meltdown.

Before Tuesday, nothing pointed to a turnaround. Now at least there is a chance.




Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/11/2018 2:47:21 PM)

I just want to make the point that I hope that the Vikings follow the Gophers with their success in making the in-season change of their OC.

This is the second coach who used to be a head coach that we lost this year. (the first one being Tony Sparano) Of course we lost one last year during the season (Norv Turner) and we lost Pat Shurmer after the season. All of these coaches are offensive coaches and perhaps the confusion of many voices has not helped the team, not to mention how we keep changing quarterbacks every year. The offense is lacking in continuity. We see that on the offensive line, too- so many changes from year to year.

My guess is that it won't work for the Vikings as well as it did for the Gophers. My hope is that the team doesn't blow everything up because there is quite a bit of talent there.




David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (12/11/2018 2:53:32 PM)

Lots of good stuff, there. Also some...specious reasoning a few times:

The Vikings offense never seemed to find its groove the way it did in 2017. They put together some strong performances early against Green Bay and Los Angeles, but were also shut down in an embarrassing loss to the Buffalo Bills and still saw long stretches of ineptitude against some of the league’s worst teams in Arizona, New York and Detroit.

27 against the Jets, 37 against the Cardinals, 24 against the Lions...

And its not like we were the 98 Vikings last year. 7 against the Lions, 16 against a broken Packers, 14 against the Falcons, 9 against the Steelers, 20 and 23 against the Bears. Not to mention 7 against Philly in the Playoffs.

We're scoring more TDs through the air than last year, way fewer on the ground.

It also ignores that our defense is not nearly as good as last year. Last year we were 1st in points and yards. This year we're 11th in points and 5th in yards.




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