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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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He is a ghost on the field. One INT for three yards returned vs. the 49ers in game one. His name is almost never called during the course of a game. The Vikings can spend their money elsewhere.

Dumb. So dumb...

That's like the BEST THING that can happen with a CB. It means he's shutting his man down. QBs don't even throw Rhodes way most of the game.

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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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He is a ghost on the field. One INT for three yards returned vs. the 49ers in game one. His name is almost never called during the course of a game. The Vikings can spend their money elsewhere.

Dumb. So dumb...

That's like the BEST THING that can happen with a CB. It means he's shutting his man down. QBs don't even throw Rhodes way most of the game.

Rhodes does not contain his side against the run. The Vikings defense has been vulnerable to a good running attack and Rhodes is never involved in containment.

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Question

I stepped away from the TV for 5 minutes after Sea scored to make it 14-0

I come back and it's 21-0

How did they score so quickly?

It was the classic cousins fumble scoop and score we have come to love

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I feel we can bounce off of this and get these last 3 W's.

I think Thielen's outburst was the nail in Flip's coffin and I thank him for it.

Now we just need to rally as a team and play smart and clean with purpose.

I think we can too.
The performance by our defense was top notch. I can't believe Wilson ever had a worse day?

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I feel we can bounce off of this and get these last 3 W's.

I think Thielen's outburst was the nail in Flip's coffin and I thank him for it.

Now we just need to rally as a team and play smart and clean with purpose.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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He is a ghost on the field. One INT for three yards returned vs. the 49ers in game one. His name is almost never called during the course of a game. The Vikings can spend their money elsewhere.

Dumb. So dumb...

That's like the BEST THING that can happen with a CB. It means he's shutting his man down. QBs don't even throw Rhodes way most of the game.

Rhodes does not contain his side against the run. The Vikings defense has been vulnerable to a good running attack and Rhodes is never involved in containment.

Keep digging that hole. Moving the goalposts isn't helping you at all here....

This is about what I'd expect from you. You have no interest in the Vikings unless they're losing. And your "football takes" make Paul Allen look like a genius...

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ORIGINAL: marty

Ricky, is there not an extra 'not' in that sentence about what Cris Carter thinks, in regards to Keenum and Cousins?

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I feel we can bounce off of this and get these last 3 W's.

I think Thielen's outburst was the nail in Flip's coffin and I thank him for it.

Now we just need to rally as a team and play smart and clean with purpose.

I think we can too.
The performance by our defense was top notch. I can't believe Wilson ever had a worse day?

Any time you allow over 200 yards rushing, your defense is NOT top notch.

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Well outside of a trade Cousins isn't going anywhere but dang he's playing poor.

Should have been gone two years ago: Mike Priefer, Kyle Rudolph, and Laquon Treadwell.

Should be gone by next season: Compton, Elflein, Remmers

Pick one and toss the other: Zimmer, Flip

AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP DRAFTING CBs in rounds one and two when our Oline can't block the Golden Girls.

Agreed.

I would toss Zimmer right now and give Flip a shot at the last 3 games.

But Flip's lack of creativity in short yardage (motions, picks, exploiting edges while faking up the middle) have me extremely concerned about him as well.

I'm putting lack of creativity on Zim. He said a couple of weeks ago he wanted simple.

If he were calling the plays I would agree.

But he's not.

He wants a solid running attack as it controls the ball and keeps the other team's offense off the field, plus it makes play action work a lot better.

Creativity isn't the problem, it's that we have a sieve for an Oline.

You can scheme to reduce the impact of a weak line. Long developing run plays and passing schemes based on creating angles don't work well with the level of inside penetration our GCG trio allows play after play. If you go to a quick hitting run game, the guards and the center aren't required to hold their blocks as long. If you scheme it right, you can even use the DL's surge up field against them. Then start rolling out in the passing game. It won't turn us into an offensive juggernaut, but it can help mitigate a lot of weaknesses.

THIS!

I second it

Excellent analysis Sweens

I don't think our oline is beyond help. Much of it is what they are good at as a unit vs what we're making them do.

Elf and Easton for example accell pulling and blocking out in space. We now have O'Neal whom is very athletic. Need to use this.

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I'm torn on this one. De Felippo didn't seem like the problem to me. They were cruising earlier on offense w/ medium to deep passes regularly. Then it just stopped. I don't understand why Zimmer would insist on a forced ground game w/ unknown results vs. what had been working. IMO, he tied Flip's hands by giving an ultimatum that we need to run the ball or else... then gets mad when it doesn't work. I think he wants it both ways; yet I also don't want to lose this defense if he leaves because then we would have to fix both sides of the ball. Make no mistake, this is the defense that Zim built. So in that way, I guess he is a lot like Buddy Ryan (just not as MUCH of an asshole. We have a great defensive coordinator coaching who would never accept a demotion w/ the team he is with. Much like Wade Phillips. Old school, but a great defensive mind as a single skillset.

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Following up on Bobby Wagner field-goal block flap from Monday: yes, the competition committee says that was leverage and should’ve been a foul. However, no appetite to let New York command center weigh in on flag being picked up. Too many ramifications with changing those calls 


- this could mean the difference between a five or a six seed 
-- this could be the difference between playing in Texas or Chicago for the playoffs 
--- or it could mean Jack schitt

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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He is a ghost on the field. One INT for three yards returned vs. the 49ers in game one. His name is almost never called during the course of a game. The Vikings can spend their money elsewhere.

Dumb. So dumb...

That's like the BEST THING that can happen with a CB. It means he's shutting his man down. QBs don't even throw Rhodes way most of the game.

Rhodes does not contain his side against the run. The Vikings defense has been vulnerable to a good running attack and Rhodes is never involved in containment.

Keep digging that hole. Moving the goalposts isn't helping you at all here....

This is about what I'd expect from you. You have no interest in the Vikings unless they're losing. And your "football takes" make Paul Allen look like a genius...

How so? When was the last time Rhodes made a play behind the LOS? When was the last time he made an open field unassisted tackle? I will wait for to find such an occurrence. Anthony Harris has been worlds better at safety against both the run and the pass.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I feel we can bounce off of this and get these last 3 W's.

I think Thielen's outburst was the nail in Flip's coffin and I thank him for it.

Now we just need to rally as a team and play smart and clean with purpose.

I think we can too.
The performance by our defense was top notch. I can't believe Wilson ever had a worse day?

Any time you allow over 200 yards rushing, your defense is NOT top notch.

Seem to be giving up a lot of 5-6 yard runs that should be 3 yard runs. Linval getting pushed back a bit more than usual in runs up the gut.

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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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He is a ghost on the field. One INT for three yards returned vs. the 49ers in game one. His name is almost never called during the course of a game. The Vikings can spend their money elsewhere.

Dumb. So dumb...

That's like the BEST THING that can happen with a CB. It means he's shutting his man down. QBs don't even throw Rhodes way most of the game.

Rhodes does not contain his side against the run. The Vikings defense has been vulnerable to a good running attack and Rhodes is never involved in containment.

Keep digging that hole. Moving the goalposts isn't helping you at all here....

This is about what I'd expect from you. You have no interest in the Vikings unless they're losing. And your "football takes" make Paul Allen look like a genius...

How so? When was the last time Rhodes made a play behind the LOS? When was the last time he made an open field unassisted tackle? I will wait for to find such an occurrence. Anthony Harris has been worlds better at safety against both the run and the pass.

Do you know the difference in responsibilities between a #1 CB and a safety?

You don't want the guy defending the other team's best WR to leave him alone so he can run blitz instead...

You're worse than Zimmer if you think its more important in today's game for CBs to be involved in run support instead of coverage.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Have noticed Ian hasn't been around, hope he is ok.

Board is running very smoothly as far as lack of arguments. Not saying the two observations are connected, but that's what I noticed.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I feel we can bounce off of this and get these last 3 W's.

I think Thielen's outburst was the nail in Flip's coffin and I thank him for it.

Now we just need to rally as a team and play smart and clean with purpose.

I'm wondering if Zim's primary reason for firing Flip was to give the team (well, the offense) a bump, a morale boost, a shot. That implies Zim was not all that enamored with Flip anyway.