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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Looking forward I can identify one big problem and one medium problem. The big problem is Elflein. He's terrible. I fear they won't demote him as that's typically the team's tendency. We'll see.

The medium sized problem is that Rudy is slow - I'm talking glacier slow. Let's hope Swirvin' Irvin can progress FAST.

They called 10 total pass plays. Let's see a bit more of a sample size before we write off Elflein.

Bingo.

Way too soon to evaluate that dynamic.

10 total pass plays folks....10.


And at one point we were up by 28. Total Domination. As the announcers said during the game, if you would have told me before the game that Cousins would only throw the ball 10 times, Thielen would only have three catchs, Diggs two and Rudolph none, I would have said the Vikings are in trouble. They most assuredly were not.

Defensively next weekend here is what the Packers are going to try to do:

Stop the run. And then we will smoke them with Diggs and Theilen....and maybe Beebe, Johnson Doctson, Smith and Rudolph.

Offensively this is what the Packers will try to do:

Keep us in nickel and attack whomever is taking Mac Alexanders spot...

And if I can see that a week in advance. So can Zimmer and co.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Looking forward I can identify one big problem and one medium problem. The big problem is Elflein. He's terrible. I fear they won't demote him as that's typically the team's tendency. We'll see.

The medium sized problem is that Rudy is slow - I'm talking glacier slow. Let's hope Swirvin' Irvin can progress FAST.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

With regards to our OLine, 3 new pieces all across the interior, 2nd year guy O'neill hardly played in preseason, new blocking scheme, it is likely they will not start hitting on all cylinders (health willing) until mid season. Yesterday was a pretty good start.

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ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Looking forward I can identify one big problem and one medium problem. The big problem is Elflein. He's terrible. I fear they won't demote him as that's typically the team's tendency. We'll see.

The medium sized problem is that Rudy is slow - I'm talking glacier slow. Let's hope Swirvin' Irvin can progress FAST.

I agree.

He was a problem all of last year, this PS was no better, and yesterday was more of the same.

Why we are dicking around with Jones makes zero sense to me with the way Elf has been playing. I don't care if it's Jones or Dozier or Samia, put one of these guys in for Elf before he causes a game changing turnover by Cousins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvMW2szPFII

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Looking forward I can identify one big problem and one medium problem. The big problem is Elflein. He's terrible. I fear they won't demote him as that's typically the team's tendency. We'll see.

The medium sized problem is that Rudy is slow - I'm talking glacier slow. Let's hope Swirvin' Irvin can progress FAST.

I agree.

He was a problem all of last year, this PS was no better, and yesterday was more of the same.

Why we are dicking around with Jones makes zero sense to me with the way Elf has been playing. I don't care if it's Jones or Dozier or Samia, put one of these guys in for Elf before he causes a game changing turnover by Cousins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvMW2szPFII

Atlanta has a dominant dline and they attacked Elflein with their best player....we have to roll with it because no matter who we face they are attacking the LG position. The two you mentioned (Jones is gone I believe) aren't any better currently and the other 4 lineman are playing at higher levels....they need to coach Elflein up.

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I was more disappointed in the offense’s late game third down resignations ... which is not on Zimmer.

I felt it was entire series resignations. Like totally content knowing you are going to sell out to stop the run and we just want to take the time off the clock. Any PA pass or roll out even if just a basic check down likely extends a series or 2. But our metrics said that was not the way to go and to me it felt Stefanski pandering to Zimmer.

You are 100% correct. Stefanski followed Zimmer's orders to the letter. Zimmer fired an OC in the middle of the season for not meeting his demands to run the football. Stefanski got aced out for this job once before. He's not about to lose it for defying Zim like his predecessor did.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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I was more disappointed in the offense’s late game third down resignations ... which is not on Zimmer.

I felt it was entire series resignations. Like totally content knowing you are going to sell out to stop the run and we just want to take the time off the clock. Any PA pass or roll out even if just a basic check down likely extends a series or 2. But our metrics said that was not the way to go and to me it felt Stefanski pandering to Zimmer.

You are 100% correct. Stefanski followed Zimmer's orders to the letter. Zimmer fired an OC in the middle of the season for not meeting his demands to run the football. Stefanski got aced out for this job once before. He's not about to lose it for defying Zim like his predecessor did.

Maybe Stefanski is a groveling worm that only panders to Zimmer, or maybe you have about as narrow an interpretation as you can possibly come away with after a decisive run-first win.

I'm not sure.

Most likely – since neither you or I have any real insight into any in-game coaching conversations – Kubiak, Dennison and Stefanski came in with a run-the-falcons-to-death gameplan (with input from Zimmer sure) that worked perfectly, probably even beyond their expectation, and stuck with it. Even on 3rd down plays that fans like me would have preferred more risk taking.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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I was more disappointed in the offense’s late game third down resignations ... which is not on Zimmer.

I felt it was entire series resignations. Like totally content knowing you are going to sell out to stop the run and we just want to take the time off the clock. Any PA pass or roll out even if just a basic check down likely extends a series or 2. But our metrics said that was not the way to go and to me it felt Stefanski pandering to Zimmer.

You are 100% correct. Stefanski followed Zimmer's orders to the letter. Zimmer fired an OC in the middle of the season for not meeting his demands to run the football. Stefanski got aced out for this job once before. He's not about to lose it for defying Zim like his predecessor did.

Maybe Stefanski is a groveling worm that only panders to Zimmer, or maybe you have about as narrow an interpretation as you can possibly come away with after a decisive run-first win.

I'm not sure.

Most likely – since neither you or I have any real insight into any in-game coaching conversations – Kubiak, Dennison and Stefanski came in with a run-the-falcons-to-death gameplan (with input from Zimmer sure) that worked perfectly, probably even beyond their expectation, and stuck with it. Even on 3rd down plays that fans like me would have preferred more risk taking.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Looking forward I can identify one big problem and one medium problem. The big problem is Elflein. He's terrible. I fear they won't demote him as that's typically the team's tendency. We'll see.

The medium sized problem is that Rudy is slow - I'm talking glacier slow. Let's hope Swirvin' Irvin can progress FAST.

They called 10 total pass plays. Let's see a bit more of a sample size before we write off Elflein.

Bingo.

Way too soon to evaluate that dynamic.

10 total pass plays folks....10.


And at one point we were up by 28. Total Domination. As the announcers said during the game, if you would have told me before the game that Cousins would only throw the ball 10 times, Thielen would only have three catchs, Diggs two and Rudolph none, I would have said the Vikings are in trouble. They most assuredly were not.

Defensively next weekend here is what the Packers are going to try to do:

Stop the run. And then we will smoke them with Diggs and Theilen....and maybe Beebe, Johnson Doctson, Smith and Rudolph.

Offensively this is what the Packers will try to do:

Keep us in nickel and attack whomever is taking Mac Alexanders spot...

And if I can see that a week in advance. So can Zimmer and co.

Good analysis Scott. The Vikings need to bring you on board.

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You have to love on successive plays Cousins throws a pass to Dalvin in the flat who gets tackled for no gain.Falcons LBer Deon Jones

stands over Cook celebrating as the broadcast team lauds about how Jones is the best LBer in the league nobody knows about.

Next play Dalvin absolutely trucks over that same Jones about 25 yards down the field. Dalvin changes the scoreboard two plays later from 19 yards out.

Special player w/ better blocking bodes well.

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ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Looking forward I can identify one big problem and one medium problem. The big problem is Elflein. He's terrible. I fear they won't demote him as that's typically the team's tendency. We'll see.

The medium sized problem is that Rudy is slow - I'm talking glacier slow. Let's hope Swirvin' Irvin can progress FAST.

I agree.

He was a problem all of last year, this PS was no better, and yesterday was more of the same.

Why we are dicking around with Jones makes zero sense to me with the way Elf has been playing. I don't care if it's Jones or Dozier or Samia, put one of these guys in for Elf before he causes a game changing turnover by Cousins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvMW2szPFII

Atlanta has a dominant dline and they attacked Elflein with their best player....we have to roll with it because no matter who we face they are attacking the LG position. The two you mentioned (Jones is gone I believe) aren't any better currently and the other 4 lineman are playing at higher levels....they need to coach Elflein up.

We don't know this and the PS tape says otherwise.

Sounds like Jones may be back.

https://twitter.com/vikingsspin/status/1170935303605030912?s=09

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Looking forward I can identify one big problem and one medium problem. The big problem is Elflein. He's terrible. I fear they won't demote him as that's typically the team's tendency. We'll see.

The medium sized problem is that Rudy is slow - I'm talking glacier slow. Let's hope Swirvin' Irvin can progress FAST.

I agree.

He was a problem all of last year, this PS was no better, and yesterday was more of the same.

Why we are dicking around with Jones makes zero sense to me with the way Elf has been playing. I don't care if it's Jones or Dozier or Samia, put one of these guys in for Elf before he causes a game changing turnover by Cousins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvMW2szPFII

Atlanta has a dominant dline and they attacked Elflein with their best player....we have to roll with it because no matter who we face they are attacking the LG position. The two you mentioned (Jones is gone I believe) aren't any better currently and the other 4 lineman are playing at higher levels....they need to coach Elflein up.

We don't know this and the PS tape says otherwise.

Sounds like Jones may be back.

https://twitter.com/vikingsspin/status/1170935303605030912?s=09

Ah yes, the ol' preseason tapes going up against backups/TC fodder.

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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I realize a link was posted, but for those that didn’t see it....


Sam Ekstrom
@SamEkstrom
#Vikings basically left his locker untouched last week.

Rod Pedersen
@rodpedersen
An NFL source tells me to expect C Brett Jones will re-sign with the Vikings on Monday. 📷: @cncretin

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Looking forward I can identify one big problem and one medium problem. The big problem is Elflein. He's terrible. I fear they won't demote him as that's typically the team's tendency. We'll see.

The medium sized problem is that Rudy is slow - I'm talking glacier slow. Let's hope Swirvin' Irvin can progress FAST.

I agree.

He was a problem all of last year, this PS was no better, and yesterday was more of the same.

Why we are dicking around with Jones makes zero sense to me with the way Elf has been playing. I don't care if it's Jones or Dozier or Samia, put one of these guys in for Elf before he causes a game changing turnover by Cousins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvMW2szPFII

Atlanta has a dominant dline and they attacked Elflein with their best player....we have to roll with it because no matter who we face they are attacking the LG position. The two you mentioned (Jones is gone I believe) aren't any better currently and the other 4 lineman are playing at higher levels....they need to coach Elflein up.

We don't know this and the PS tape says otherwise.

Sounds like Jones may be back.

https://twitter.com/vikingsspin/status/1170935303605030912?s=09

Ah yes, the ol' preseason tapes going up against backups/TC fodder.

As opposed to Elf who game after game looks incapable of slowing anyone down? It seems to be getting close to time to sit him if it continues.

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

You have to love on successive plays Cousins throws a pass to Dalvin in the flat who gets tackled for no gain.Falcons LBer Deon Jones

stands over Cook celebrating as the broadcast team lauds about how Jones is the best LBer in the league nobody knows about.

Next play Dalvin absolutely trucks over that same Jones about 25 yards down the field. Dalvin changes the scoreboard two plays later from 19 yards out.

Special player w/ better blocking bodes well.

Favorite play of the game, Dalvin trucking a guy who had him lined up
Dudes a real football player
Still think he hits the hole faster than any back we've had
I'm sure that will get shot down, but it just appears that way to me.
Love how he bursts thru small openings.
That can make a shitty O line look ok. An ok O line look good, and an above-average O Line look fantastic.
Hope we keep growing what we saw, and I hope we realize the scouting that will be done on us from this point on.
Creativity in play-calling is going to start to get more important every week. Starting now.

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ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Looking forward I can identify one big problem and one medium problem. The big problem is Elflein. He's terrible. I fear they won't demote him as that's typically the team's tendency. We'll see.

The medium sized problem is that Rudy is slow - I'm talking glacier slow. Let's hope Swirvin' Irvin can progress FAST.

I agree.

He was a problem all of last year, this PS was no better, and yesterday was more of the same.

Why we are dicking around with Jones makes zero sense to me with the way Elf has been playing. I don't care if it's Jones or Dozier or Samia, put one of these guys in for Elf before he causes a game changing turnover by Cousins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvMW2szPFII

Atlanta has a dominant dline and they attacked Elflein with their best player....we have to roll with it because no matter who we face they are attacking the LG position. The two you mentioned (Jones is gone I believe) aren't any better currently and the other 4 lineman are playing at higher levels....they need to coach Elflein up.

We don't know this and the PS tape says otherwise.

Sounds like Jones may be back.

https://twitter.com/vikingsspin/status/1170935303605030912?s=09

Ah yes, the ol' preseason tapes going up against backups/TC fodder.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

ha ha
- at least you guys called off the dogs on Bebee [;)]

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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I was more disappointed in the offense’s late game third down resignations ... which is not on Zimmer.

I felt it was entire series resignations. Like totally content knowing you are going to sell out to stop the run and we just want to take the time off the clock. Any PA pass or roll out even if just a basic check down likely extends a series or 2. But our metrics said that was not the way to go and to me it felt Stefanski pandering to Zimmer.

You are 100% correct. Stefanski followed Zimmer's orders to the letter. Zimmer fired an OC in the middle of the season for not meeting his demands to run the football. Stefanski got aced out for this job once before. He's not about to lose it for defying Zim like his predecessor did.

Maybe Stefanski is a groveling worm that only panders to Zimmer, or maybe you have about as narrow an interpretation as you can possibly come away with after a decisive run-first win.

I'm not sure.

Most likely – since neither you or I have any real insight into any in-game coaching conversations – Kubiak, Dennison and Stefanski came in with a run-the-falcons-to-death gameplan (with input from Zimmer sure) that worked perfectly, probably even beyond their expectation, and stuck with it. Even on 3rd down plays that fans like me would have preferred more risk taking.

I don't think it's a matter of Stefanski being a groveling worm and my hyper narrow interpretation also stated that I couldn't argue with the logic in running the ball under the circumstances. I don't claim to have insider knowledge, but I don't think it takes a great mathematician to add 2 and 2. Week after week, Zimmer complained about not running the ball. Week after week, Flip continued to not run the ball and was ultimately fired during the season over it. I'm saying Stefanski is smart enough to know the boss wants to run the damn ball. He and the rest of the brain trust came up with a scheme not only do it, but do it successfully.

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ORIGINAL: Lars

Hope all on here are well and have had a great summer!

My $0.02 on the game:

Winning in the the NFL is tough. I am always happy with a win. Especially in Week 1 - weird stuff happens.

A win at home and a conference win. Both good things.

The run blocking looked good and Cook was running tough. Oneill stood out to me.

Elf struggled in pass protection at times.

The TD by AT was sweet. Dude is so tough.

Harris was a BALLER!!

Great ST team. Punt coverage could be a bit better, but solid game.

The PI call on Waynes was crap.

Too many penalties. And the offsides drive me crazy. Gave atnaltA (copyright JB Schaefer) 3 first downs on those alone.

I would have preferred we work on our passing game a bit more, and generally don't like when Zimmer goes into prevent-offense mode, but it made sense yesterday.

Cousins does not have great pocket-awareness/sixth-sense like the great ones do. That is a weakness in his game, IMHO.

A win and we looked solid. I'll take it. Keep getting better.

SKOL!!!

What is the story behind atnaltA? I've only seen it on here, and I've never understood what it means.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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I was more disappointed in the offense’s late game third down resignations ... which is not on Zimmer.

I felt it was entire series resignations. Like totally content knowing you are going to sell out to stop the run and we just want to take the time off the clock. Any PA pass or roll out even if just a basic check down likely extends a series or 2. But our metrics said that was not the way to go and to me it felt Stefanski pandering to Zimmer.

You are 100% correct. Stefanski followed Zimmer's orders to the letter. Zimmer fired an OC in the middle of the season for not meeting his demands to run the football. Stefanski got aced out for this job once before. He's not about to lose it for defying Zim like his predecessor did.

Maybe Stefanski is a groveling worm that only panders to Zimmer, or maybe you have about as narrow an interpretation as you can possibly come away with after a decisive run-first win.

I'm not sure.

Most likely – since neither you or I have any real insight into any in-game coaching conversations – Kubiak, Dennison and Stefanski came in with a run-the-falcons-to-death gameplan (with input from Zimmer sure) that worked perfectly, probably even beyond their expectation, and stuck with it. Even on 3rd down plays that fans like me would have preferred more risk taking.

I don't think it's a matter of Stefanski being a groveling worm and my hyper narrow interpretation also stated that I couldn't argue with the logic in running the ball under the circumstances. I don't claim to have insider knowledge, but I don't think it takes a great mathematician to add 2 and 2. Week after week, Zimmer complained about not running the ball. Week after week, Flip continued to not run the ball and was ultimately fired during the season over it. I'm saying Stefanski is smart enough to know the boss wants to run the damn ball. He and the rest of the brain trust came up with a scheme not only do it, but do it successfully.

I get frustrated hearing about 2018 Run-First Zimmer – we absolutely needed to run the ball more last year. After the 2017 NFCCG, I can understand why we were impressed with Flip and made that impulse purchase. IMO Flip wasn't the guy for the team or coaching staff in place so he needed to go.

My frustration and opinions do not mean that getting snippety with you is justified. My apologies.

I have a lot of problems with Zimmer ... they are big when we lose and minuscule when the defense plays like yesterday. I can see Zimmer and Spielman explaining to Stefanski that if he took the OC job, he would have to commit to a more balanced offense in 2019. Whether that is run-first and then run over and over, or, run-first to establish balance (with the pass) ... I'm pretty sure its the latter. IMO.