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Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/11/2020 8:40:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: odin Funny how the Thumbtacks are taking it to the heavily-favored Ravens early on. They look fresh with an aggressive game plan rather than looking flat, lifeless and without direction. Interesting. Come on now. We were down by 4 points at halftime and the defense was starting to get the best of Garropolo. Far from lifeless and without direction. 2nd Half: I will agree with you. Key is we played NOT TO LOSE in first half, never had momentum, never played with agression... We played Zimmer ball, close to vest, feeling take the sure points and punt rather than be agressive... It did keep it close UNTIL we ran out of gas and they passed us by and then left us in the dust... Zimmer never will play any other way... SF played it close to the vest the whole 2nd half. And most of the 1st. We were physically over matched. Especially our OLine.

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/11/2020 8:43:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: odin Funny how the Thumbtacks are taking it to the heavily-favored Ravens early on. They look fresh with an aggressive game plan rather than looking flat, lifeless and without direction. Interesting. Come on now. We were down by 4 points at halftime and the defense was starting to get the best of Garropolo. Far from lifeless and without direction. 2nd Half: I will agree with you. Key is we played NOT TO LOSE in first half, never had momentum, never played with agression... We played Zimmer ball, close to vest, feeling take the sure points and punt rather than be agressive... It did keep it close UNTIL we ran out of gas and they passed us by and then left us in the dust... Zimmer never will play any other way... You mean like throwing long bombs to open WRs. Kind of like when teams didn't play with aggression against the 85 Bears and 2000 Ravens.

Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/11/2020 8:52:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: odin Funny how the Thumbtacks are taking it to the heavily-favored Ravens early on. They look fresh with an aggressive game plan rather than looking flat, lifeless and without direction. Interesting. Come on now. We were down by 4 points at halftime and the defense was starting to get the best of Garropolo. Far from lifeless and without direction. 2nd Half: I will agree with you. Key is we played NOT TO LOSE in first half, never had momentum, never played with agression... We played Zimmer ball, close to vest, feeling take the sure points and punt rather than be agressive... It did keep it close UNTIL we ran out of gas and they passed us by and then left us in the dust... Zimmer never will play any other way... SF played it close to the vest the whole 2nd half. And most of the 1st. We were physically over matched. Especially our OLine. We said the exact same things two years ago after Philly game, overmatched lines... Its a bit more than that, we were outcoached even though we almost knew and well understood the game plan, and early on Garoppolo was quite off on thows and there were more plays to be made that could have turned the game. We never siezed the moment, we played flat and calculated, never siezed the moment and capped it off with a style of That 70s mantra that feels a lot like playing NOT TO LOSE. YES in the end we ran out of gas and their lines then statted having their way with us... We are a poorly coached team who has coaching staff that are very slow to make adjustments and not good at in game changes in flow or capitalizing on matchup in gametime. If we start flat its what we are. Looked at Zimmer numerous times on sideline and we were a mirror of his being... listless and expressionless... We need to smach them in the mouth and take over the game, but we instead felt comfy taking the for sure points and wasting time, to the point that once we wore down we were through. We let them off the hook when we should have been agressive and played for a close game, but played right into their motive, like they knew what a Zimmer coached team would do if given that choices... Once the momentum shited and turn overs started to bury us, the air came out and it was over, the lines imploded and you could feel it just lift, any feeling of hope, it just floated away, nearly a whole quarter left and it was done...

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/11/2020 8:58:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: odin Funny how the Thumbtacks are taking it to the heavily-favored Ravens early on. They look fresh with an aggressive game plan rather than looking flat, lifeless and without direction. Interesting. Come on now. We were down by 4 points at halftime and the defense was starting to get the best of Garropolo. Far from lifeless and without direction. 2nd Half: I will agree with you. Key is we played NOT TO LOSE in first half, never had momentum, never played with agression... We played Zimmer ball, close to vest, feeling take the sure points and punt rather than be agressive... It did keep it close UNTIL we ran out of gas and they passed us by and then left us in the dust... Zimmer never will play any other way... SF played it close to the vest the whole 2nd half. And most of the 1st. We were physically over matched. Especially our OLine. We said the exact same things two years ago after Philly game, overmatched lines... Its a bit more than that, we were outcoached even though we almost knew and well understood the game plan, and early on Garoppolo was quite off on thows and there were more plays to be made that could have turned the game. We never siezed the moment, we played flat and calculated, never siezed the moment and capped it off with a style of That 70s mantra that feels a lot like playing NOT TO LOSE. YES in the end we ran out of gas and their lines then statted having their way with us... We are a poorly coached team who has coaching staff that are very slow to make adjustments and not good at in game changes in flow or capitalizing on matchup in gametime. If we start flat its what we are. Looked at Zimmer numerous times on sideline and we were a mirror of his being... listless and expressionless... We need to smach them in the mouth and take over the game, but we instead felt comfy taking the for sure points and wasting time, to the point that once we wore down we were through. We let them off the hook when we should have been agressive and played for a close game, but played right into their motive, like they knew what a Zimmer coached team would do if given that choices... Once the momentum shited and turn overs started to bury us, the air came out and it was over, the lines imploded and you could feel it just lift, any feeling of hope, it just floated away, nearly a whole quarter left and it was done... Just give me an example of what we should have been doing on offense.

Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/11/2020 9:05:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: odin Funny how the Thumbtacks are taking it to the heavily-favored Ravens early on. They look fresh with an aggressive game plan rather than looking flat, lifeless and without direction. Interesting. Come on now. We were down by 4 points at halftime and the defense was starting to get the best of Garropolo. Far from lifeless and without direction. 2nd Half: I will agree with you. Key is we played NOT TO LOSE in first half, never had momentum, never played with agression... We played Zimmer ball, close to vest, feeling take the sure points and punt rather than be agressive... It did keep it close UNTIL we ran out of gas and they passed us by and then left us in the dust... Zimmer never will play any other way... SF played it close to the vest the whole 2nd half. And most of the 1st. We were physically over matched. Especially our OLine. We said the exact same things two years ago after Philly game, overmatched lines... Its a bit more than that, we were outcoached even though we almost knew and well understood the game plan, and early on Garoppolo was quite off on thows and there were more plays to be made that could have turned the game. We never siezed the moment, we played flat and calculated, never siezed the moment and capped it off with a style of That 70s mantra that feels a lot like playing NOT TO LOSE. YES in the end we ran out of gas and their lines then statted having their way with us... We are a poorly coached team who has coaching staff that are very slow to make adjustments and not good at in game changes in flow or capitalizing on matchup in gametime. If we start flat its what we are. Looked at Zimmer numerous times on sideline and we were a mirror of his being... listless and expressionless... We need to smach them in the mouth and take over the game, but we instead felt comfy taking the for sure points and wasting time, to the point that once we wore down we were through. We let them off the hook when we should have been agressive and played for a close game, but played right into their motive, like they knew what a Zimmer coached team would do if given that choices... Once the momentum shited and turn overs started to bury us, the air came out and it was over, the lines imploded and you could feel it just lift, any feeling of hope, it just floated away, nearly a whole quarter left and it was done... Just give me an example of what we should have been doing on offense. Instead of wasting two downs running into teeth of D we should have been doing more misdirection, slants and screens to weak side instead of run, run, overthrow... Kirk was flat, he was tenative, holding the ball and staring down first options. Should have tried a few more shotgun formations instead of the heavy run game. We had no counters, no adjustment to their plan. Shanahan knew Kirks weakness and we just did what we could to limit the O line liability and keep trying to get the run game a factor. Never worked, and unfortunately Kirk is not a put the team on his back QB... Maybe w could not have done anything with the match up, we were out played on lines and out coached. Players can only pour so much into a game like that and then even the studs wear out and conceide its not working... We were beat by a better team than us on several levels, no shame, but lots to consider moving forward and I think you need to weigh this along with NFCCG two years ago as what we lack to take that step further...

Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/11/2020 9:09:29 PM)
One thing I must ask... After the failure of both lines in the NFCCG couple years back most laid the blame heavily at the feet of Case Keenum.... What blame do you lay on Kirk Cousins after today>?

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/11/2020 9:15:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: odin Funny how the Thumbtacks are taking it to the heavily-favored Ravens early on. They look fresh with an aggressive game plan rather than looking flat, lifeless and without direction. Interesting. Come on now. We were down by 4 points at halftime and the defense was starting to get the best of Garropolo. Far from lifeless and without direction. 2nd Half: I will agree with you. Key is we played NOT TO LOSE in first half, never had momentum, never played with agression... We played Zimmer ball, close to vest, feeling take the sure points and punt rather than be agressive... It did keep it close UNTIL we ran out of gas and they passed us by and then left us in the dust... Zimmer never will play any other way... SF played it close to the vest the whole 2nd half. And most of the 1st. We were physically over matched. Especially our OLine. We said the exact same things two years ago after Philly game, overmatched lines... Its a bit more than that, we were outcoached even though we almost knew and well understood the game plan, and early on Garoppolo was quite off on thows and there were more plays to be made that could have turned the game. We never siezed the moment, we played flat and calculated, never siezed the moment and capped it off with a style of That 70s mantra that feels a lot like playing NOT TO LOSE. YES in the end we ran out of gas and their lines then statted having their way with us... We are a poorly coached team who has coaching staff that are very slow to make adjustments and not good at in game changes in flow or capitalizing on matchup in gametime. If we start flat its what we are. Looked at Zimmer numerous times on sideline and we were a mirror of his being... listless and expressionless... We need to smach them in the mouth and take over the game, but we instead felt comfy taking the for sure points and wasting time, to the point that once we wore down we were through. We let them off the hook when we should have been agressive and played for a close game, but played right into their motive, like they knew what a Zimmer coached team would do if given that choices... Once the momentum shited and turn overs started to bury us, the air came out and it was over, the lines imploded and you could feel it just lift, any feeling of hope, it just floated away, nearly a whole quarter left and it was done... Just give me an example of what we should have been doing on offense. Instead of wasting two downs running into teeth of D we should have been doing more misdirection, slants and screens to weak side instead of run, run, overthrow... Kirk was flat, he was tenative, holding the ball and staring down first options. Should have tried a few more shotgun formations instead of the heavy run game. We had no counters, no adjustment to their plan. Shanahan knew Kirks weakness and we just did what we could to limit the O line liability and keep trying to get the run game a factor. Never worked, and unfortunately Kirk is not a put the team on his back QB... Maybe w could not have done anything with the match up, we were out played on lines and out coached. Players can only pour so much into a game like that and then even the studs wear out and conceide its not working... We were beat by a better team than us on several levels, no shame, but lots to consider moving forward and I think you need to weigh this along with NFCCG two years ago as what we lack to take that step further... We ran it 10 times and passed 30. They ran it twice as much as they passed. We tried slants, screens, outs, crossing patterns. I never saw NBC showing us a wide open receiver that we missed. Usually they were showing one or two of our OLineman getting pancaked or stepped on after they fell down. This was a solid defense without Alexander and Ford playing. Now they have them back and they look scary.

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/11/2020 9:18:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök One thing I must ask... After the failure of both lines in the NFCCG couple years back most laid the blame heavily at the feet of Case Keenum.... What blame do you lay on Kirk Cousins after today>? Keenum had the one dumb INT when we had the lead and the ball but it was just a matter of time before Philly got us. Especially on the road. I would say that both Cousins and Keenum didn't play well but they weren't the main reasons we lost.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/11/2020 9:23:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman Not surprisingly, the Vikes go down because of their inferior offensive line. What else is new? Luckily, Spielman has it easy next year. He needs to sign 2 stud OG’s, then draft a stud DT in the first and our QB of the future in the 2nd and we can make a run. We need to dominate in the trenches the way most Super Bowl winners do. With the exception of O’Neill, the dude can’t draft olinemen to save his life, so he needs to pony up for proven commodities. We’ve got enough talent on D, with or without Rhodes, Waynes and Griffin. We're currently $5million over the cap in 2020 with just 39 players signed. There will be no free agent signings. We'll have to restructure/cut some folks just to squeeze a full roster onto the books. It's not going to be pretty. Goodbye/restructure to Rhodes, Joseph, Griffen, and and Reiff. We have $16 million in dead cap tied up in Barr and Rudolph so there's nothing to be done there. A restructure/re-signing of Harrison Smith could help. Resigning/restructuring Cousins would help a lot so long as we're fine with keeping him. 2020 is Super Bowl or bust.

Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/11/2020 9:24:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: odin Funny how the Thumbtacks are taking it to the heavily-favored Ravens early on. They look fresh with an aggressive game plan rather than looking flat, lifeless and without direction. Interesting. Come on now. We were down by 4 points at halftime and the defense was starting to get the best of Garropolo. Far from lifeless and without direction. 2nd Half: I will agree with you. Key is we played NOT TO LOSE in first half, never had momentum, never played with agression... We played Zimmer ball, close to vest, feeling take the sure points and punt rather than be agressive... It did keep it close UNTIL we ran out of gas and they passed us by and then left us in the dust... Zimmer never will play any other way... SF played it close to the vest the whole 2nd half. And most of the 1st. We were physically over matched. Especially our OLine. We said the exact same things two years ago after Philly game, overmatched lines... Its a bit more than that, we were outcoached even though we almost knew and well understood the game plan, and early on Garoppolo was quite off on thows and there were more plays to be made that could have turned the game. We never siezed the moment, we played flat and calculated, never siezed the moment and capped it off with a style of That 70s mantra that feels a lot like playing NOT TO LOSE. YES in the end we ran out of gas and their lines then statted having their way with us... We are a poorly coached team who has coaching staff that are very slow to make adjustments and not good at in game changes in flow or capitalizing on matchup in gametime. If we start flat its what we are. Looked at Zimmer numerous times on sideline and we were a mirror of his being... listless and expressionless... We need to smach them in the mouth and take over the game, but we instead felt comfy taking the for sure points and wasting time, to the point that once we wore down we were through. We let them off the hook when we should have been agressive and played for a close game, but played right into their motive, like they knew what a Zimmer coached team would do if given that choices... Once the momentum shited and turn overs started to bury us, the air came out and it was over, the lines imploded and you could feel it just lift, any feeling of hope, it just floated away, nearly a whole quarter left and it was done... Just give me an example of what we should have been doing on offense. Instead of wasting two downs running into teeth of D we should have been doing more misdirection, slants and screens to weak side instead of run, run, overthrow... Kirk was flat, he was tenative, holding the ball and staring down first options. Should have tried a few more shotgun formations instead of the heavy run game. We had no counters, no adjustment to their plan. Shanahan knew Kirks weakness and we just did what we could to limit the O line liability and keep trying to get the run game a factor. Never worked, and unfortunately Kirk is not a put the team on his back QB... Maybe w could not have done anything with the match up, we were out played on lines and out coached. Players can only pour so much into a game like that and then even the studs wear out and conceide its not working... We were beat by a better team than us on several levels, no shame, but lots to consider moving forward and I think you need to weigh this along with NFCCG two years ago as what we lack to take that step further... We ran it 10 times and passed 30. They ran it twice as much as they passed. We tried slants, screens, outs, crossing patterns. I never saw NBC showing us a wide open receiver that we missed. Usually they were showing one or two of our OLineman getting pancaked or stepped on after they fell down. This was a solid defense without Alexander and Ford playing. Now they have them back and they look scary. Full agreed, we were out schemed and out played on several levels. We were not the better team today... Are the Niners that much ahead of us in potential playmakers and talent ? Or did their coaching put a better more rested team in better positions to exploit their strengths and our weakenss? I think we do have too many overpaid non hungry playmakers on our team and a coaching staff far too comfortable to leave the entrenched starters in position no matter their output or schemed gameday matchups.

Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/11/2020 9:27:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök One thing I must ask... After the failure of both lines in the NFCCG couple years back most laid the blame heavily at the feet of Case Keenum.... What blame do you lay on Kirk Cousins after today>? Keenum had the one dumb INT when we had the lead and the ball but it was just a matter of time before Philly got us. Especially on the road. I would say that both Cousins and Keenum didn't play well but they weren't the main reasons we lost. EXACTLY... but we ran Case out of town on a rail as a fluke and never would have repeated... yet now Cousins has almost same game in same spot... Is that on coaching or player potential limit reached?

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/11/2020 9:27:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman Not surprisingly, the Vikes go down because of their inferior offensive line. What else is new? Luckily, Spielman has it easy next year. He needs to sign 2 stud OG’s, then draft a stud DT in the first and our QB of the future in the 2nd and we can make a run. We need to dominate in the trenches the way most Super Bowl winners do. With the exception of O’Neill, the dude can’t draft olinemen to save his life, so he needs to pony up for proven commodities. We’ve got enough talent on D, with or without Rhodes, Waynes and Griffin. We're currently $5million over the cap in 2020 with just 39 players signed. There will be no free agent signings. We'll have to restructure/cut some folks just to squeeze a full roster onto the books. It's not going to be pretty. Goodbye/restructure to Rhodes, Joseph, Griffen, and and Reiff. We have $16 million in dead cap tied up in Barr and Rudolph so there's nothing to be done there. A restructure/re-signing of Harrison Smith could help. Resigning/restructuring Cousins would help a lot so long as we're fine with keeping him. 2020 is Super Bowl or bust. 9-7 maybe win a wildcard if we're lucky. No 11 year Championship game upcoming.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/11/2020 9:34:44 PM)
List of current players that are going to be free agents - bear in mind that we are $5million over the cap RIGHT NOW. Yikes. Trae Waynes Anthony Harris Rashod Hils Andrew Sendejo Mackensie Alexander Dan Bailey Britton Colquitt Dakota Dozier Sean Mannion Ameer Abdullah Laquon Treadwel Brett Jones C.J. Ham Kentrell Brothers David Morgan Jayron Kearse Stephen Weatherly Eric Wilson

Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/11/2020 9:36:51 PM)
I dont think you can mortgage any further future cap to Cousins and that is even if he was willing to a more traditional contract with cap relief now for future pains... If he again seeks a non traditional short term fully guaranteed contract what do you do? Tell him to kick rocks?

Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/11/2020 9:39:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. List of current players that are going to be free agents - bear in mind that we are $5million over the cap RIGHT NOW. Yikes. Trae Waynes Anthony Harris Rashod Hils Andrew Sendejo Mackensie Alexander Dan Bailey Britton Colquitt Dakota Dozier Sean Mannion Ameer Abdullah Laquon Treadwel Brett Jones C.J. Ham Kentrell Brothers David Morgan Jayron Kearse Stephen Weatherly Eric Wilson Consider how much Zimmer and company will have to do with far less next year and what might that further expose? Doesnt feel like something to look forward to, like we were close this year, and next we get over hump... Think the hump just got over us...

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/11/2020 9:44:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: David F. List of current players that are going to be free agents - bear in mind that we are $5million over the cap RIGHT NOW. Yikes. Trae Waynes Anthony Harris Rashod Hils Andrew Sendejo Mackensie Alexander Dan Bailey Britton Colquitt Dakota Dozier Sean Mannion Ameer Abdullah Laquon Treadwel Brett Jones C.J. Ham Kentrell Brothers David Morgan Jayron Kearse Stephen Weatherly Eric Wilson Consider how much Zimmer and company will have to do with far less next year and what might that further expose? Doesnt feel like something to look forward to, like we were close this year, and next we get over hump... Think the hump just got over us... Well we'd save $40 million by cutting Griffen, Rhodes, Rieff, and Joseph which would give us some room to get a guard and a CB. There's still the draft. Yeah hopefully we don't draft defense early and often again. Actually at this point I don't even really know about anything. Since I don't know specifics I'll just talk in generalities - less high priced veteran/stars that under perform their contracts and more cheap/young up-and-comers. Take chances that some of the young kids will have talent. Have open competitions for starting spots. Be willing to move on from veterans if it's in the teams best long-term interests.

Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/11/2020 9:48:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: David F. List of current players that are going to be free agents - bear in mind that we are $5million over the cap RIGHT NOW. Yikes. Trae Waynes Anthony Harris Rashod Hils Andrew Sendejo Mackensie Alexander Dan Bailey Britton Colquitt Dakota Dozier Sean Mannion Ameer Abdullah Laquon Treadwel Brett Jones C.J. Ham Kentrell Brothers David Morgan Jayron Kearse Stephen Weatherly Eric Wilson Consider how much Zimmer and company will have to do with far less next year and what might that further expose? Doesnt feel like something to look forward to, like we were close this year, and next we get over hump... Think the hump just got over us... Well we'd save $40 million by cutting Griffen, Rhodes, Rieff, and Joseph which would give us some room to get a guard and a CB. There's still the draft. Yeah hopefully we don't draft defense early and often again. Actually at this point I don't even really know about anything. Since I don't know specifics I'll just talk in generalities - less high priced veteran/stars that under perform their contracts and more cheap/young up-and-comers. Take chances that some of the young kids will have talent. Have open competitions for starting spots. That sounds logical and how a team should build... but, in the Zimmer era those are not the type of players he has enjoyed working with. There has been a basic disdain for youth and raw talent to point we let them walk and blindly trust Zimms oldschool ways of implementing the over the hill high priced vets... Going to be interesting to see how some of these younger guys are used and trusted in Zimm schemes, will they all be great players in practices?

thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/11/2020 9:51:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: David F. List of current players that are going to be free agents - bear in mind that we are $5million over the cap RIGHT NOW. Yikes. Trae Waynes Anthony Harris Rashod Hils Andrew Sendejo Mackensie Alexander Dan Bailey Britton Colquitt Dakota Dozier Sean Mannion Ameer Abdullah Laquon Treadwel Brett Jones C.J. Ham Kentrell Brothers David Morgan Jayron Kearse Stephen Weatherly Eric Wilson Consider how much Zimmer and company will have to do with far less next year and what might that further expose? Doesnt feel like something to look forward to, like we were close this year, and next we get over hump... Think the hump just got over us... 3 guys on that list that are keepers. 2 renegotiations gets every one we want from that list back on our roster.

thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/11/2020 9:58:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: odin Funny how the Thumbtacks are taking it to the heavily-favored Ravens early on. They look fresh with an aggressive game plan rather than looking flat, lifeless and without direction. Interesting. Come on now. We were down by 4 points at halftime and the defense was starting to get the best of Garropolo. Far from lifeless and without direction. 2nd Half: I will agree with you. Key is we played NOT TO LOSE in first half, never had momentum, never played with agression... We played Zimmer ball, close to vest, feeling take the sure points and punt rather than be agressive... It did keep it close UNTIL we ran out of gas and they passed us by and then left us in the dust... Zimmer never will play any other way... SF played it close to the vest the whole 2nd half. And most of the 1st. We were physically over matched. Especially our OLine. We said the exact same things two years ago after Philly game, overmatched lines... Its a bit more than that, we were outcoached even though we almost knew and well understood the game plan, and early on Garoppolo was quite off on thows and there were more plays to be made that could have turned the game. We never siezed the moment, we played flat and calculated, never siezed the moment and capped it off with a style of That 70s mantra that feels a lot like playing NOT TO LOSE. YES in the end we ran out of gas and their lines then statted having their way with us... We are a poorly coached team who has coaching staff that are very slow to make adjustments and not good at in game changes in flow or capitalizing on matchup in gametime. If we start flat its what we are. Looked at Zimmer numerous times on sideline and we were a mirror of his being... listless and expressionless... We need to smach them in the mouth and take over the game, but we instead felt comfy taking the for sure points and wasting time, to the point that once we wore down we were through. We let them off the hook when we should have been agressive and played for a close game, but played right into their motive, like they knew what a Zimmer coached team would do if given that choices... Once the momentum shited and turn overs started to bury us, the air came out and it was over, the lines imploded and you could feel it just lift, any feeling of hope, it just floated away, nearly a whole quarter left and it was done... Just give me an example of what we should have been doing on offense. Instead of wasting two downs running into teeth of D we should have been doing more misdirection, slants and screens to weak side instead of run, run, overthrow... Kirk was flat, he was tenative, holding the ball and staring down first options. Should have tried a few more shotgun formations instead of the heavy run game. We had no counters, no adjustment to their plan. Shanahan knew Kirks weakness and we just did what we could to limit the O line liability and keep trying to get the run game a factor. Never worked, and unfortunately Kirk is not a put the team on his back QB... Maybe w could not have done anything with the match up, we were out played on lines and out coached. Players can only pour so much into a game like that and then even the studs wear out and conceide its not working... We were beat by a better team than us on several levels, no shame, but lots to consider moving forward and I think you need to weigh this along with NFCCG two years ago as what we lack to take that step further... Looks like it's time for the Ravens to rebuild.

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/11/2020 10:01:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: David F. List of current players that are going to be free agents - bear in mind that we are $5million over the cap RIGHT NOW. Yikes. Trae Waynes Anthony Harris Rashod Hils Andrew Sendejo Mackensie Alexander Dan Bailey Britton Colquitt Dakota Dozier Sean Mannion Ameer Abdullah Laquon Treadwel Brett Jones C.J. Ham Kentrell Brothers David Morgan Jayron Kearse Stephen Weatherly Eric Wilson Consider how much Zimmer and company will have to do with far less next year and what might that further expose? Doesnt feel like something to look forward to, like we were close this year, and next we get over hump... Think the hump just got over us... Well we'd save $40 million by cutting Griffen, Rhodes, Rieff, and Joseph which would give us some room to get a guard and a CB. There's still the draft. Yeah hopefully we don't draft defense early and often again. Actually at this point I don't even really know about anything. Since I don't know specifics I'll just talk in generalities - less high priced veteran/stars that under perform their contracts and more cheap/young up-and-comers. Take chances that some of the young kids will have talent. Have open competitions for starting spots. Be willing to move on from veterans if it's in the teams best long-term interests. Basically we would be upgrading at all but one of those positions (Griffen the exception). I really think O'Neill at LT and Udoh at RT will be better than what we had this year.

thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/11/2020 10:02:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Arlowe84 As a very good analyst said a few weeks ago If Kirk Cousins doesn’t get you a Super Bowl that signing is a disaster. Period Could we get this far with a cheaper Tannehill or Fitzmagic and a beefed up OLine? Probably. So what is the benefit of "this far"?

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/11/2020 10:03:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: odin Funny how the Thumbtacks are taking it to the heavily-favored Ravens early on. They look fresh with an aggressive game plan rather than looking flat, lifeless and without direction. Interesting. Come on now. We were down by 4 points at halftime and the defense was starting to get the best of Garropolo. Far from lifeless and without direction. 2nd Half: I will agree with you. Key is we played NOT TO LOSE in first half, never had momentum, never played with agression... We played Zimmer ball, close to vest, feeling take the sure points and punt rather than be agressive... It did keep it close UNTIL we ran out of gas and they passed us by and then left us in the dust... Zimmer never will play any other way... SF played it close to the vest the whole 2nd half. And most of the 1st. We were physically over matched. Especially our OLine. We said the exact same things two years ago after Philly game, overmatched lines... Its a bit more than that, we were outcoached even though we almost knew and well understood the game plan, and early on Garoppolo was quite off on thows and there were more plays to be made that could have turned the game. We never siezed the moment, we played flat and calculated, never siezed the moment and capped it off with a style of That 70s mantra that feels a lot like playing NOT TO LOSE. YES in the end we ran out of gas and their lines then statted having their way with us... We are a poorly coached team who has coaching staff that are very slow to make adjustments and not good at in game changes in flow or capitalizing on matchup in gametime. If we start flat its what we are. Looked at Zimmer numerous times on sideline and we were a mirror of his being... listless and expressionless... We need to smach them in the mouth and take over the game, but we instead felt comfy taking the for sure points and wasting time, to the point that once we wore down we were through. We let them off the hook when we should have been agressive and played for a close game, but played right into their motive, like they knew what a Zimmer coached team would do if given that choices... Once the momentum shited and turn overs started to bury us, the air came out and it was over, the lines imploded and you could feel it just lift, any feeling of hope, it just floated away, nearly a whole quarter left and it was done... Just give me an example of what we should have been doing on offense. Instead of wasting two downs running into teeth of D we should have been doing more misdirection, slants and screens to weak side instead of run, run, overthrow... Kirk was flat, he was tenative, holding the ball and staring down first options. Should have tried a few more shotgun formations instead of the heavy run game. We had no counters, no adjustment to their plan. Shanahan knew Kirks weakness and we just did what we could to limit the O line liability and keep trying to get the run game a factor. Never worked, and unfortunately Kirk is not a put the team on his back QB... Maybe w could not have done anything with the match up, we were out played on lines and out coached. Players can only pour so much into a game like that and then even the studs wear out and conceide its not working... We were beat by a better team than us on several levels, no shame, but lots to consider moving forward and I think you need to weigh this along with NFCCG two years ago as what we lack to take that step further... Looks like it's time for the Ravens to rebuild. I never bought that Lamar Jackson was the best player in the league. He needs to work on passing accuracy.

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/11/2020 10:04:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: odin Funny how the Thumbtacks are taking it to the heavily-favored Ravens early on. They look fresh with an aggressive game plan rather than looking flat, lifeless and without direction. Interesting. Come on now. We were down by 4 points at halftime and the defense was starting to get the best of Garropolo. Far from lifeless and without direction. 2nd Half: I will agree with you. Key is we played NOT TO LOSE in first half, never had momentum, never played with agression... We played Zimmer ball, close to vest, feeling take the sure points and punt rather than be agressive... It did keep it close UNTIL we ran out of gas and they passed us by and then left us in the dust... Zimmer never will play any other way... SF played it close to the vest the whole 2nd half. And most of the 1st. We were physically over matched. Especially our OLine. We said the exact same things two years ago after Philly game, overmatched lines... Its a bit more than that, we were outcoached even though we almost knew and well understood the game plan, and early on Garoppolo was quite off on thows and there were more plays to be made that could have turned the game. We never siezed the moment, we played flat and calculated, never siezed the moment and capped it off with a style of That 70s mantra that feels a lot like playing NOT TO LOSE. YES in the end we ran out of gas and their lines then statted having their way with us... We are a poorly coached team who has coaching staff that are very slow to make adjustments and not good at in game changes in flow or capitalizing on matchup in gametime. If we start flat its what we are. Looked at Zimmer numerous times on sideline and we were a mirror of his being... listless and expressionless... We need to smach them in the mouth and take over the game, but we instead felt comfy taking the for sure points and wasting time, to the point that once we wore down we were through. We let them off the hook when we should have been agressive and played for a close game, but played right into their motive, like they knew what a Zimmer coached team would do if given that choices... Once the momentum shited and turn overs started to bury us, the air came out and it was over, the lines imploded and you could feel it just lift, any feeling of hope, it just floated away, nearly a whole quarter left and it was done... Just give me an example of what we should have been doing on offense. Instead of wasting two downs running into teeth of D we should have been doing more misdirection, slants and screens to weak side instead of run, run, overthrow... Kirk was flat, he was tenative, holding the ball and staring down first options. Should have tried a few more shotgun formations instead of the heavy run game. We had no counters, no adjustment to their plan. Shanahan knew Kirks weakness and we just did what we could to limit the O line liability and keep trying to get the run game a factor. Never worked, and unfortunately Kirk is not a put the team on his back QB... Maybe w could not have done anything with the match up, we were out played on lines and out coached. Players can only pour so much into a game like that and then even the studs wear out and conceide its not working... We were beat by a better team than us on several levels, no shame, but lots to consider moving forward and I think you need to weigh this along with NFCCG two years ago as what we lack to take that step further... Looks like it's time for the Ravens to rebuild. Jackson can't win the big game.

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/11/2020 10:05:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Arlowe84 As a very good analyst said a few weeks ago If Kirk Cousins doesn’t get you a Super Bowl that signing is a disaster. Period Could we get this far with a cheaper Tannehill or Fitzmagic and a beefed up OLine? Probably. So what is the benefit of "this far"? Only benefit is you might be a stud draft or FA from getting to SB.

Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/11/2020 10:06:04 PM)
Maybe we could replace Zimmer with some young offensive coach from the Titans for fresh look? Looks like they have a Luke Steckel on their staff as coordinator, Theres a fun name to relive...

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