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Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/26/2020 2:31:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Obviously Richardson was better than many credited him for. Idk his pressure stats for 2018 but we had 96 with him and 33 w/o him.

Getting an effective 3t might be the most impactful thing we can do for the defense this off season.


I was trying to calculate whether we needed help more in the interior offensive line or defensive line more and it's hard to choose. I suppose it comes down to the grading of the prospects and who is still available at #25. Because we have numerous needs, I can't see trading up. If there are several players to be happy with still not selected, then trading down would make sense. A lot of draft guys seem to be selecting cornerbacks for our team with the first pick, too. The good news is our team will not be sniped because there certainly will be options.




bstinger -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/27/2020 8:35:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Obviously Richardson was better than many credited him for. Idk his pressure stats for 2018 but we had 96 with him and 33 w/o him.

Getting an effective 3t might be the most impactful thing we can do for the defense this off season.


I was trying to calculate whether we needed help more in the interior offensive line or defensive line more and it's hard to choose. I suppose it comes down to the grading of the prospects and who is still available at #25. Because we have numerous needs, I can't see trading up. If there are several players to be happy with still not selected, then trading down would make sense. A lot of draft guys seem to be selecting cornerbacks for our team with the first pick, too. The good news is our team will not be sniped because there certainly will be options.

You're right about lots of needs on this team.

Certainly will depend on what happens with FA's, but G, DT, and CB are likely the top 3 needs. Need to evaluate depth of draft in those positions and value of players on the board at the time we're picking. If a stud DT is available when we pick it would be hard to pass up.




ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/27/2020 3:38:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Obviously Richardson was better than many credited him for. Idk his pressure stats for 2018 but we had 96 with him and 33 w/o him.

Getting an effective 3t might be the most impactful thing we can do for the defense this off season.


I was trying to calculate whether we needed help more in the interior offensive line or defensive line more and it's hard to choose. I suppose it comes down to the grading of the prospects and who is still available at #25. Because we have numerous needs, I can't see trading up. If there are several players to be happy with still not selected, then trading down would make sense. A lot of draft guys seem to be selecting cornerbacks for our team with the first pick, too. The good news is our team will not be sniped because there certainly will be options.

You're right about lots of needs on this team.

Certainly will depend on what happens with FA's, but G, DT, and CB are likely the top 3 needs. Need to evaluate depth of draft in those positions and value of players on the board at the time we're picking. If a stud DT is available when we pick it would be hard to pass up.



i would sign the best bloody guard we can in free agency...draft an ot in the 1st round....




Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/27/2020 4:45:22 PM)

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They also make Adam Zimmer and Patterson official as co-DCs. #Vikings




CPAMAN -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/27/2020 5:49:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Darren Wolfson
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They also make Adam Zimmer and Patterson official as co-DCs. #Vikings


So more no changes for the Vikings coaches. This team is mired in Spielman and Zimmer funk.




Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/27/2020 7:27:14 PM)

Patterson has arguably been our most successful coach. He deserves the promotion.




Dana Turner -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/27/2020 7:51:48 PM)

Sorry, I just checked and saw how long this was, yikes. Well, we are stuck in our houses here in Shanghai and I'm freakin' bored. Damn Corona virus! I wonder if their beer sales have dipped??

The defense, or at least the philosophy is set. There isn't going to be any large changes in scheme or tendencies, the Vikings will have to make any progress on the offensive side of the ball. If the Vikings would have scored one more TD in each of the six losses we had this year, we would have had three more wins and a tie at Seattle. Our defense is just the way Zimmer likes it. We are going to give a little and try not to give a lot. Keep thme to Field goals in the red zone and try to win the close one. It's been that way forever and it is what it is.

So, we need to be better on offense. This will be the second year with Kubiak and Rocco, so some stability will be present, that's a good thing. We obviously need to strengthen the interior of the offensive line, I'm 100%sure that fact is not lost on the coaching staff. We are not in there every day and I'm pretty sure they did what they felt was best for chemistry this year, but two things have been glaring weaknesses and they must get worked on in the off-season. First and foremost, Bradbury needs to add about 20-30 pounds of muscle, most of it to his ass. His lower body needs to be a point of focus and it is doable. He has all the smarts needed to become a very solid center in the NFL, he just needs to get stouter

Guards, well for sure, left guard. But really, both guards and I'm thinking that Kline can be effective in his second year with Rocco. We were all pretty worried about him coming in last year, but to our surprise, he actually played pretty solid and has the potential to be one of those Berger/Fusco types. You guys remember those journeymen that actually played some solid and unexpectedly good football for the Vikings. I think Kline has a chance to be one of those types. Lets face the facts, you need good offensive linemen that can play in unison together, compliment each other. We saw what a great offensive line got Dallas a couple years back, all those first and second round picks amounted to "0" titles. Yes they we really good together, but the rest of the team wasn't up to the task. Pick your poison, it's a tricky business, we need a solid offensive line and we are not far from that. So, that leaves LG and LT. Can we do that in house or at least part of that in house. I think we must resign Hill. That guy is funny, he isn't a very good RT, but when he is on the left, there isn't a drop off between him and Rieff, they pretty much play at the same level, Hill is better at the left than the right. Rieff either takes a pay cut or leaves, he simply doesn't earn the type of money he's getting and the tape shows that. I don't know if O'Neil is ok to move to LT or if Udoh is a guy that will progress or not. Is Collins going to take a step forward. We probably need a guy to fall in the first round to get a starter right out of college. Udoh is certainly an athletic big man, time will tell. So, is Samia ready to take a step up to play guard? He has the attitude the O-line needs, but it takes more than attitude to be consistent in the NFL and I think that is what they are needing from him, consistency.

Our three needs as I see it are IOL, CB and DT, in that order. Next would be a safety if we loose Kearse or Harris. We would only have three safeties, that would be counting Sendejo, if we loose one of them. I believe Kearse wants to leave, so I am thinking he will be gone. I like Harris, I always have since he came out undrafted to the Vikings, but I don't believe we can spend $11 million a year on him, that would be over $20 million a year on two safeties. If Smith would restructure and make a deal to take him to retirement as a Viking, maybe we free up some money that way.

The Vikings have four draft picks in the first three rounds and also need to draft a QB. That QB conversation is another time. I think the Vikings take a CB if a top 10 O-line guy doesn't fall in to their lap. There will be some very good CB's sitting there at #25. Looks like 4 QB's will go before we pick, that's a good thing. If the O-line guy does fall, take the best CB or DT available with the second, then whichever you didn't take in the second, look at in the third along with Safety. Draft the best punter with the other third.....just checking to see if you were paying attention, LOL.

This whole thing will be predicated on the off-season for the O-line growth. We have a lot of athletic, young guys in that room and their are positions up for grabs. Will one or two guys grab this moment and plant themselves in an open spot, it's right there in front of them. I don't see us playing in the FA market at all, we have like 200 of our own FA's to sift through, this team needs to see a couple of these guys step up in a big way!




bohumm -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/27/2020 8:38:27 PM)

So Zimmer looked across the NFL/CFB landscape and said, "I don't see a DC candidate on the rarefied level of my son. Oh, wait, there's one, who also happens to be on my staff. Two guys more qualified than their previous boss and everyone else I could hire throughout football."

Do not extend him.




Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/27/2020 8:42:36 PM)

We have a new secondary coach, too. With our secondary in flux, he should have a lot of input.

He's had some success.

Jones helped second-year Bengals corner Darius Phillips have a breakout season in 2019. and helped develop Xavien Howard during his two years with the Dolphins.

https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/vikings-hire-bengals-assistant-daronte-jones-defensive-backs-coach




Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/27/2020 8:48:15 PM)

Here is all of the latest coaching changes in case you missed it:

Vikings coaching changes/hires:

DC= Adam Zimmer & Andre Patterson who will also retain their current positions of LB's & D-line coaches.

Assistant O-line=Phil Rauscher (former Den & Wash)

WR coach= Andrew Janocko

DB coach= Daronte Jones (former Cincy & Miami)

(Vikings Spin on Twitter)




ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2020 1:27:33 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Here is all of the latest coaching changes in case you missed it:

Vikings coaching changes/hires:

DC= Adam Zimmer & Andre Patterson who will also retain their current positions of LB's & D-line coaches.

Assistant O-line=Phil Rauscher (former Den & Wash)

WR coach= Andrew Janocko

DB coach= Daronte Jones (former Cincy & Miami)

(Vikings Spin on Twitter)




Vikings PR@VikingsPR
Gary Kubiak has been named as the @Vikings offensive coordinator:




Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2020 6:19:08 AM)

Not sure I like the co-cordinator bs. It didn't work at all for the oline in 2018 after the passing of Coach Sporano.

I thought Patterson deserved the job.

But then again Zim is the real DC. So these titles really don't add up to a hill of beans.




Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2020 9:39:07 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Not sure I like the co-cordinator bs. It didn't work at all for the oline in 2018 after the passing of Coach Sporano.

I thought Patterson deserved the job.

But then again Zim is the real DC. So these titles really don't add up to a hill of beans.


So it's really 3 guys who run the defense. I agree that it doesn't sound right.




David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2020 9:45:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Not sure I like the co-cordinator bs. It didn't work at all for the oline in 2018 after the passing of Coach Sporano.

I thought Patterson deserved the job.

But then again Zim is the real DC. So these titles really don't add up to a hill of beans.


So it's really 3 guys who run the defense. I agree that it doesn't sound right.


If they establish a proper chain of command and delegate the duties clearly and wisely then it should work just fine. Opposing coaching staffs have become more analytical and have volumes of research to draw from which technology has made easier. If you don't have a Belichick that can process the complexities of the game in real time with ease then perhaps more heads is what's called for. That being said, I think Belichick has plenty of top-notch assistants doing a lot of the legwork for him as well but I think you get what I mean.




TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2020 9:56:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Not sure I like the co-cordinator bs. It didn't work at all for the oline in 2018 after the passing of Coach Sporano.

I thought Patterson deserved the job.

But then again Zim is the real DC. So these titles really don't add up to a hill of beans.


So it's really 3 guys who run the defense. I agree that it doesn't sound right.


If they establish a proper chain of command and delegate the duties clearly and wisely then it should work just fine. Opposing coaching staffs have become more analytical and have volumes of research to draw from which technology has made easier. If you don't have a Belichick that can process the complexities of the game in real time with ease then perhaps more heads is what's called for. That being said, I think Belichick has plenty of top-notch assistants doing a lot of the legwork for him as well but I think you get what I mean.

You're all over thinking it. Zimmer is the DC. That's it. The rest is all just titles handed out as a reward for performance or nepotism. Edwards as DC was an empty title. It will be no different with Patterson and Son of Zim.




ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2020 10:13:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Not sure I like the co-cordinator bs. It didn't work at all for the oline in 2018 after the passing of Coach Sporano.

I thought Patterson deserved the job.

But then again Zim is the real DC. So these titles really don't add up to a hill of beans.


So it's really 3 guys who run the defense. I agree that it doesn't sound right.


If they establish a proper chain of command and delegate the duties clearly and wisely then it should work just fine. Opposing coaching staffs have become more analytical and have volumes of research to draw from which technology has made easier. If you don't have a Belichick that can process the complexities of the game in real time with ease then perhaps more heads is what's called for. That being said, I think Belichick has plenty of top-notch assistants doing a lot of the legwork for him as well but I think you get what I mean.

You're all over thinking it. Zimmer is the DC. That's it. The rest is all just titles handed out as a reward for performance or nepotism. Edwards as DC was an empty title. It will be no different with Patterson and Son of Zim.



it's even less of a question who's going to be play-calling games - same guy as last year...i was under the impression that edwards quit, but i don't know....




David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2020 10:28:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: David F.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Not sure I like the co-cordinator bs. It didn't work at all for the oline in 2018 after the passing of Coach Sporano.

I thought Patterson deserved the job.

But then again Zim is the real DC. So these titles really don't add up to a hill of beans.


So it's really 3 guys who run the defense. I agree that it doesn't sound right.


If they establish a proper chain of command and delegate the duties clearly and wisely then it should work just fine. Opposing coaching staffs have become more analytical and have volumes of research to draw from which technology has made easier. If you don't have a Belichick that can process the complexities of the game in real time with ease then perhaps more heads is what's called for. That being said, I think Belichick has plenty of top-notch assistants doing a lot of the legwork for him as well but I think you get what I mean.

You're all over thinking it. Zimmer is the DC. That's it. The rest is all just titles handed out as a reward for performance or nepotism. Edwards as DC was an empty title. It will be no different with Patterson and Son of Zim.



it's even less of a question who's going to be play-calling games - same guy as last year...i was under the impression that edwards quit, but i don't know....


Well I imagine they help in some regard - even if it's a smaller role than I imagined. Maybe one of them can be in charge of challenges and the other in charge of managing timeouts/clock. I was trying to throw out some optimism/sunny disposition.




Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2020 10:39:10 AM)

Patterson and son of Zim are still dline coach and LB coach respectively. So naming them both DC wasn't really more than stroking them.




Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2020 10:41:34 AM)

Edwards did not have another job lined up before he left and ended up accepting a LB coach gig so my guess he was let go.




David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2020 10:53:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Patterson and son of Zim are still dline coach and LB coach respectively. So naming them both DC wasn't really more than stroking them.


I imagine it benefits their careers going forward as well in terms of their resumes.




Jeff Jesser -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2020 2:24:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Patterson and son of Zim are still dline coach and LB coach respectively. So naming them both DC wasn't really more than stroking them.


I imagine it benefits their careers going forward as well in terms of their resumes.




If a GM is dumb enough to fall for that he'll most likely be the our new GM after RS is finally put to the pasture. It's just our luck.




Viking Rich -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/29/2020 1:16:11 AM)

Sad News.

Chris Doleman passed away last night. [:@]

He was only 58.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/01/29/hall-of-famer-chris-doleman-dies-at-the-age-of-58/




Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/29/2020 6:50:25 AM)

Looks like he was fighting and making an effort until the end to be positive. I appreciate that.

Doleman, diagnosed with glioblastoma, underwent surgery on Jan. 25, 2018, to remove a cancerous tumor in his brain. Two other tumors were treated with radiation and chemotherapy.

Three days ago, Doleman tweeted: “Today is my 2 year anniversary of being a brain cancer survivor! Huge!”




Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/29/2020 7:11:35 AM)

Cancer sux

Always liked Doleman. Dude could get after the QB.




Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/29/2020 7:13:34 AM)

Here is a video of Doleman making a sack. He was awesome in his prime.

https://twitter.com/VikeFans/status/1222505466376400896?s=20




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