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Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/1/2019 2:29:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

So we are 2-0 at home and 0-2 on the road to teams that were favored....there isn't a way to make the playoffs at this early point in the season. Lets just trash the season....no way to fix any wrongs at this point....trade everyone, start the backup qb, fire the coach and gm.

If we lose to the Giants stick a fork in this season. Our schedule is brutal.




Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/1/2019 2:29:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

So we are 2-0 at home and 0-2 on the road to teams that were favored....there isn't a way to make the playoffs at this early point in the season. Lets just trash the season....no way to fix any wrongs at this point....trade everyone, start the backup qb, fire the coach and gm.

Seems a little extreme there Phil, even by my thinking!




Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/1/2019 2:33:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök
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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer
So we are 2-0 at home and 0-2 on the road to teams that were favored....there isn't a way to make the playoffs at this early point in the season. Lets just trash the season....no way to fix any wrongs at this point....trade everyone, start the backup qb, fire the coach and gm.

Seems a little extreme there Phil, even by my thinking!


That has been the direction of the majority of posts since Sunday....my post included sarcasm w/o the emoji. Lots of season left to fix our problems.




Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/1/2019 2:40:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök
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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer
So we are 2-0 at home and 0-2 on the road to teams that were favored....there isn't a way to make the playoffs at this early point in the season. Lets just trash the season....no way to fix any wrongs at this point....trade everyone, start the backup qb, fire the coach and gm.

Seems a little extreme there Phil, even by my thinking!


That has been the direction of the majority of posts since Sunday....my post included sarcasm w/o the emoji. Lots of season left to fix our problems.

I felt the sarcasm... I post with lots of it as well, though most here take me far too seriously!

On a serious note, more plainly stated with less emotion...

IF we lose to Giants on Sunday and its more of same old shit from Kirk and the coaching staff on play calls there needs to be a move made...

Diggs is tweeting trade rumor crap, Theilen is chirping woes, season is going down toilet...

Serious, Kirk needs to SIT at this point, contract be damned... And I say coaches be damned, bring back Sloter at a deal that fits our cap and make the staff earn their pay and coach him up... I dont care where the season goes from there, make a point...




Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/1/2019 2:59:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

So we are 2-0 at home and 0-2 on the road to teams that were favored....there isn't a way to make the playoffs at this early point in the season. Lets just trash the season....no way to fix any wrongs at this point....trade everyone, start the backup qb, fire the coach and gm.

No need to throw the towel in. This can be remedied.

I'd let Cousins air it out next week against the Gmen. He needs to restore his confidence.




Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/1/2019 3:03:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

So we are 2-0 at home and 0-2 on the road to teams that were favored....there isn't a way to make the playoffs at this early point in the season. Lets just trash the season....no way to fix any wrongs at this point....trade everyone, start the backup qb, fire the coach and gm.

No need to throw the towel in. This can be remedied.

I'd let Cousins air it out next week against the Gmen. He needs to restore his confidence.

Bingo!




Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/1/2019 3:07:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Bad News!

https://twitter.com/JReidNFL/status/1179072413113274368

Pump fake to Rudy and go deep to Diggs.




SoMnFan -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/1/2019 3:08:30 PM)

The only thing worse than "beating all the crappy teams" (which is what the Vikings are getting known for) is …. "not beating the crappy teams" [:D]

Agreed

Get well on the Giants. Or we really will have issues.




joejitsu -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/1/2019 3:09:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

So we are 2-0 at home and 0-2 on the road to teams that were favored....there isn't a way to make the playoffs at this early point in the season. Lets just trash the season....no way to fix any wrongs at this point....trade everyone, start the backup qb, fire the coach and gm.

No need to throw the towel in. This can be remedied.

I'd let Cousins air it out next week against the Gmen. He needs to restore his confidence.


He's got to fix some of these issues himself, so let him throw the ball.




Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/1/2019 3:13:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

I have nothing against anyone with strong religious beliefs. But when they where it on their sleeves and quote versus and the like...

It can be a little over the top.

That's what Christians are supposed to do. Spread the Good News, not keep it to yourself.

As far as his QBing, he goes from extremes, careless with ball and his passes, to afraid to take a chance once in a while. He needs some confidence to find a happy medium.




thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/1/2019 3:17:43 PM)

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Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/1/2019 3:31:51 PM)

So what if all the talk in preseason of Kirk having this new ability to work off play action was a ruse?

What if a control freak head coach on his last go round is getting his full and final say in the schemes and game plan to the point that Kirk is only following to a tee exactly what is scripted for first twenty some plays are designed to be run...

Honestly looking at that game film there seems to be little other reason he neglects making his reads, misses wide open receivers running deep and at all costs dumps it off to a covered outlet short time after time...

Kirk is obviously being controlled heavy handed by this regime to not lose games, have a pitch count and not go off the scripted game plan. Play within the scheme and mantra the HC demands and then let the vaunted defense win games for us with minimal chance for mistakes on offense in a very regimented scheme...

ITS NOT WORKING




Dave Odle -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/1/2019 3:32:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

So we are 2-0 at home and 0-2 on the road to teams that were favored....there isn't a way to make the playoffs at this early point in the season. Lets just trash the season....no way to fix any wrongs at this point....trade everyone, start the backup qb, fire the coach and gm.


Would you bet your house that we make the playoffs right now? I sure as hell wouldn't!




Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/1/2019 3:35:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Dave Odle

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

So we are 2-0 at home and 0-2 on the road to teams that were favored....there isn't a way to make the playoffs at this early point in the season. Lets just trash the season....no way to fix any wrongs at this point....trade everyone, start the backup qb, fire the coach and gm.


Would you bet your house that we make the playoffs right now? I sure as hell wouldn't!

I wouldn't bet my house that we would win 5 games. Imagine how nerve wracking a bet like that would be?




Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/1/2019 3:40:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Dave Odle

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

So we are 2-0 at home and 0-2 on the road to teams that were favored....there isn't a way to make the playoffs at this early point in the season. Lets just trash the season....no way to fix any wrongs at this point....trade everyone, start the backup qb, fire the coach and gm.


Would you bet your house that we make the playoffs right now? I sure as hell wouldn't!

I wouldn't bet my house that we would win 5 games. Imagine how nerve wracking a bet like that would be?

Depends whose house I'm getting if I win the bet....




Dana Turner -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/1/2019 3:57:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Dave Odle

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

So we are 2-0 at home and 0-2 on the road to teams that were favored....there isn't a way to make the playoffs at this early point in the season. Lets just trash the season....no way to fix any wrongs at this point....trade everyone, start the backup qb, fire the coach and gm.


Would you bet your house that we make the playoffs right now? I sure as hell wouldn't!

I wouldn't bet my house that we would win 5 games. Imagine how nerve wracking a bet like that would be?


Fans are frustrated, we lost tight games on the road that we were underdogs in. Both games were winnable with a few better plays or efforts. Our team isn't a powerhouse, won't be with the mindset of this HC, so we can expect letdowns like this.

I'd just like to see good play rewarded and poor play called out or fixed. Give Jones a shot, hell, he's an NFL vet, sit both Elf and the rookie and tell the rest of the team that you are not accepting below average play, from anyone. Put the QB on notice and fire this group up. It's time to take the tit away, although I don't know if Zimmer knows how to pull that off.

We have a solid roster, we should be able to compete with anyone, but if the players don't believe in consiquences for poor play, there will be division, it's a human factor. Basic management teaches you that.




Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/1/2019 4:01:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Dave Odle

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

So we are 2-0 at home and 0-2 on the road to teams that were favored....there isn't a way to make the playoffs at this early point in the season. Lets just trash the season....no way to fix any wrongs at this point....trade everyone, start the backup qb, fire the coach and gm.


Would you bet your house that we make the playoffs right now? I sure as hell wouldn't!

I wouldn't bet my house that we would win 5 games. Imagine how nerve wracking a bet like that would be?


Fans are frustrated, we lost tight games on the road that we were underdogs in. Both games were winnable with a few better plays or efforts. Our team isn't a powerhouse, won't be with the mindset of this HC, so we can expect letdowns like this.

I'd just like to see good play rewarded and poor play called out or fixed. Give Jones a shot, hell, he's an NFL vet, sit both Elf and the rookie and tell the rest of the team that you are not accepting below average play, from anyone. Put the QB on notice and fire this group up. It's time to take the tit away, although I don't know if Zimmer knows how to pull that off.

We have a solid roster, we should be able to compete with anyone, but if the players don't believe in consiquences for poor play, there will be division, it's a human factor. Basic management teaches you that.

As usual great post!




Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/1/2019 4:20:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Dave Odle

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

So we are 2-0 at home and 0-2 on the road to teams that were favored....there isn't a way to make the playoffs at this early point in the season. Lets just trash the season....no way to fix any wrongs at this point....trade everyone, start the backup qb, fire the coach and gm.


Would you bet your house that we make the playoffs right now? I sure as hell wouldn't!

I wouldn't bet my house that we would win 5 games. Imagine how nerve wracking a bet like that would be?


Fans are frustrated, we lost tight games on the road that we were underdogs in. Both games were winnable with a few better plays or efforts. Our team isn't a powerhouse, won't be with the mindset of this HC, so we can expect letdowns like this.

I'd just like to see good play rewarded and poor play called out or fixed. Give Jones a shot, hell, he's an NFL vet, sit both Elf and the rookie and tell the rest of the team that you are not accepting below average play, from anyone. Put the QB on notice and fire this group up. It's time to take the tit away, although I don't know if Zimmer knows how to pull that off.

We have a solid roster, we should be able to compete with anyone, but if the players don't believe in consiquences for poor play, there will be division, it's a human factor. Basic management teaches you that.

As usual great post!

Agree. Hold players accountable.

All for giving Jones a shot.

If Cousins stinks it up again pull him and see what mannion's got




Pager -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/1/2019 6:27:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Dave Odle

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

So we are 2-0 at home and 0-2 on the road to teams that were favored....there isn't a way to make the playoffs at this early point in the season. Lets just trash the season....no way to fix any wrongs at this point....trade everyone, start the backup qb, fire the coach and gm.


Would you bet your house that we make the playoffs right now? I sure as hell wouldn't!

I wouldn't bet my house that we would win 5 games. Imagine how nerve wracking a bet like that would be?


Fans are frustrated, we lost tight games on the road that we were underdogs in. Both games were winnable with a few better plays or efforts. Our team isn't a powerhouse, won't be with the mindset of this HC, so we can expect letdowns like this.

I'd just like to see good play rewarded and poor play called out or fixed. Give Jones a shot, hell, he's an NFL vet, sit both Elf and the rookie and tell the rest of the team that you are not accepting below average play, from anyone. Put the QB on notice and fire this group up. It's time to take the tit away, although I don't know if Zimmer knows how to pull that off.

We have a solid roster, we should be able to compete with anyone, but if the players don't believe in consiquences for poor play, there will be division, it's a human factor. Basic management teaches you that.



This!

I think we've seen far too much of a giving a long leash: Remmers, Elf, Treadwell, Sandejo, Gideon. IF someone is not getting the job done, you give the next guy up a chance.




David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/1/2019 10:31:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Dave Odle

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

So we are 2-0 at home and 0-2 on the road to teams that were favored....there isn't a way to make the playoffs at this early point in the season. Lets just trash the season....no way to fix any wrongs at this point....trade everyone, start the backup qb, fire the coach and gm.


Would you bet your house that we make the playoffs right now? I sure as hell wouldn't!

I wouldn't bet my house that we would win 5 games. Imagine how nerve wracking a bet like that would be?


Fans are frustrated, we lost tight games on the road that we were underdogs in. Both games were winnable with a few better plays or efforts. Our team isn't a powerhouse, won't be with the mindset of this HC, so we can expect letdowns like this.

I'd just like to see good play rewarded and poor play called out or fixed. Give Jones a shot, hell, he's an NFL vet, sit both Elf and the rookie and tell the rest of the team that you are not accepting below average play, from anyone. Put the QB on notice and fire this group up. It's time to take the tit away, although I don't know if Zimmer knows how to pull that off.

We have a solid roster, we should be able to compete with anyone, but if the players don't believe in consiquences for poor play, there will be division, it's a human factor. Basic management teaches you that.



This!

I think we've seen far too much of a giving a long leash: Remmers, Elf, Treadwell, Sandejo, Gideon. IF someone is not getting the job done, you give the next guy up a chance.


Matt Kalil!




Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/1/2019 11:33:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Dave Odle

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

So we are 2-0 at home and 0-2 on the road to teams that were favored....there isn't a way to make the playoffs at this early point in the season. Lets just trash the season....no way to fix any wrongs at this point....trade everyone, start the backup qb, fire the coach and gm.


Would you bet your house that we make the playoffs right now? I sure as hell wouldn't!

I wouldn't bet my house that we would win 5 games. Imagine how nerve wracking a bet like that would be?


Fans are frustrated, we lost tight games on the road that we were underdogs in. Both games were winnable with a few better plays or efforts. Our team isn't a powerhouse, won't be with the mindset of this HC, so we can expect letdowns like this.

I'd just like to see good play rewarded and poor play called out or fixed. Give Jones a shot, hell, he's an NFL vet, sit both Elf and the rookie and tell the rest of the team that you are not accepting below average play, from anyone. Put the QB on notice and fire this group up. It's time to take the tit away, although I don't know if Zimmer knows how to pull that off.

We have a solid roster, we should be able to compete with anyone, but if the players don't believe in consiquences for poor play, there will be division, it's a human factor. Basic management teaches you that.



This!

I think we've seen far too much of a giving a long leash: Remmers, Elf, Treadwell, Sandejo, Gideon. IF someone is not getting the job done, you give the next guy up a chance.


Matt Kalil!

Additions COMING SOON...

Rudolph and possibly Rhodes




thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/2/2019 1:17:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Dave Odle

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

So we are 2-0 at home and 0-2 on the road to teams that were favored....there isn't a way to make the playoffs at this early point in the season. Lets just trash the season....no way to fix any wrongs at this point....trade everyone, start the backup qb, fire the coach and gm.


Would you bet your house that we make the playoffs right now? I sure as hell wouldn't!

I wouldn't bet my house that we would win 5 games. Imagine how nerve wracking a bet like that would be?


Fans are frustrated, we lost tight games on the road that we were underdogs in. Both games were winnable with a few better plays or efforts. Our team isn't a powerhouse, won't be with the mindset of this HC, so we can expect letdowns like this.

I'd just like to see good play rewarded and poor play called out or fixed. Give Jones a shot, hell, he's an NFL vet, sit both Elf and the rookie and tell the rest of the team that you are not accepting below average play, from anyone. Put the QB on notice and fire this group up. It's time to take the tit away, although I don't know if Zimmer knows how to pull that off.

We have a solid roster, we should be able to compete with anyone, but if the players don't believe in consiquences for poor play, there will be division, it's a human factor. Basic management teaches you that.

The dreaded schism?




Dana Turner -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/2/2019 10:02:05 AM)

Sometimes I wonder how much time some of these coaches spend on management training. Lets face it, you can be great at X's and O's, but be terrible at understanding managing a room full of type "A" personalities. Coaches are human too, they don't just know sit because they are in a position of authority, I just wonder how much training goes on. There are many cases I have had to scratch my head asking "what the hell, management 101", but it goes on.

If you are going to play the tough guy, you better be able to sell it. Most people can see through valid threats. There is a large group of guys in that locker room that jus t went through 17 weeks of training to get to this point of the season. You've stood in front of them telling them what is expected, it's time to let them know you weren't just talking to talk. I'm sure Elf is trying, same with Bradburry, but they are not playing consistent football and because of this, the team suffers. Get Kline back, put Jones in at center and Dozier at Lt guard, see what it looks like in real competition. Do something so the rest of the guys know you are not going to except below average play.

Cousins wears a red jursey all through training camp and that just exasperates his inability to function under pressure. Well, the very first play for the offense, he got happy feet, long before there was pressure and it never imporved. You are not going to bench him now, so you had better be working on a solution to minimize the pressure.




jbusse -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/2/2019 10:54:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

Sometimes I wonder how much time some of these coaches spend on management training. Lets face it, you can be great at X's and O's, but be terrible at understanding managing a room full of type "A" personalities. Coaches are human too, they don't just know sit because they are in a position of authority, I just wonder how much training goes on. There are many cases I have had to scratch my head asking "what the hell, management 101", but it goes on.

If you are going to play the tough guy, you better be able to sell it. Most people can see through valid threats. There is a large group of guys in that locker room that jus t went through 17 weeks of training to get to this point of the season. You've stood in front of them telling them what is expected, it's time to let them know you weren't just talking to talk. I'm sure Elf is trying, same with Bradburry, but they are not playing consistent football and because of this, the team suffers. Get Kline back, put Jones in at center and Dozier at Lt guard, see what it looks like in real competition. Do something so the rest of the guys know you are not going to except below average play.

Cousins wears a red jursey all through training camp and that just exasperates his inability to function under pressure. Well, the very first play for the offense, he got happy feet, long before there was pressure and it never imporved. You are not going to bench him now, so you had better be working on a solution to minimize the pressure.

I'm all for trying something different on the interior of the O-line. Jones is supposed to be good at pass blocking, which seems crucial to get Cousins back on track.

The happy feet and not seeing plays downfield looked a lot like Christian Ponder except without the scrambling ability.




Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/2/2019 11:33:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

Sometimes I wonder how much time some of these coaches spend on management training. Lets face it, you can be great at X's and O's, but be terrible at understanding managing a room full of type "A" personalities. Coaches are human too, they don't just know sit because they are in a position of authority, I just wonder how much training goes on. There are many cases I have had to scratch my head asking "what the hell, management 101", but it goes on.

If you are going to play the tough guy, you better be able to sell it. Most people can see through valid threats. There is a large group of guys in that locker room that jus t went through 17 weeks of training to get to this point of the season. You've stood in front of them telling them what is expected, it's time to let them know you weren't just talking to talk. I'm sure Elf is trying, same with Bradburry, but they are not playing consistent football and because of this, the team suffers. Get Kline back, put Jones in at center and Dozier at Lt guard, see what it looks like in real competition. Do something so the rest of the guys know you are not going to except below average play.

Cousins wears a red jursey all through training camp and that just exasperates his inability to function under pressure. Well, the very first play for the offense, he got happy feet, long before there was pressure and it never imporved. You are not going to bench him now, so you had better be working on a solution to minimize the pressure.

Dana – I would love to see Reiff Dozier Jones Kline O'Neill line up Sunday but change for change sake isn't going to happen on any team.

Jones did not look good for us when he started last year. Did Jones look better last year than Bradbury this year? You are more knowledgeable than I am to call that ... it would be a close call IMO, and the change in system would be a factor. So, not sure Jones would be better or more consistent than Bradbury who, at the very least, as a rookie should improve and (presumably) may become a better player as we go along.

Elflein / Dozier seems like an easy choice to me. Swap 'em.

But this is all based on evaluating the OL through the first 4 games (and really on the two really bad games). Is it technique, strength/athleticism, adapting to the scheme, Cousins problems, all of the above? Cohesion on the OL is pretty critical – I assume Dennison and the staff are evaluating the poor performances versus is there any improvement and can we get to decent sooner than later versus at what point do you commit to changing starters because it just is not working and risk affecting the continuity of not just the starter but the two players on either side?




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