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kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/24/2020 11:34:58 PM)

My top three players going into tomorrow as far as I can tell Simpson Eason and Tyler Johnson. Maybe we can get all three. Or none LOL. It will be fun.



kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/24/2020 11:36:16 PM)

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There are plenty of good players that will get drafted tomorrow. We have the ammo to move all over the place to get some very solid players, let's let it play out, it could be a very fun day tomorrow!



We said that about today too.

and we got 2 pretty good ones. I get having problems with it. But honestly the odds of getting one better player out of those four picks than we would have with the one are very good.


And at some point you increase the odds of wasted pick(s) as not all of them will make the team. We are now talking about more draft picks on day 3 than most have during the entire draft.


It doesn't really matter if a bunch don't make the team.
The key is finding a player on 3rd day that is more that just a guy.
If you find a Diggs or Thielen or Everson Griffin than the shotgun approach on the 3rd day is worth it.


I love trade downs. But the fact remains = It is harder to do it in the 7th than it is in the 6th than it is in the 5th and so on. There is a balance between quantity and quality.

Thielen was an UDFA. So I guess the real play is not to draft anyone and sign 180 UDFA.

Plus we'll likely have no OTAs and less development opps this year. I would guess the hit rate is lower this year vs previous years as a result.

That is a great point.



beo -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/24/2020 11:37:15 PM)

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There are plenty of good players that will get drafted tomorrow. We have the ammo to move all over the place to get some very solid players, let's let it play out, it could be a very fun day tomorrow!



We said that about today too.

and we got 2 pretty good ones. I get having problems with it. But honestly the odds of getting one better player out of those four picks than we would have with the one are very good.


And at some point you increase the odds of wasted pick(s) as not all of them will make the team. We are now talking about more draft picks on day 3 than most have during the entire draft.


It doesn't really matter if a bunch don't make the team.
The key is finding a player on 3rd day that is more that just a guy.
If you find a Diggs or Thielen or Everson Griffin than the shotgun approach on the 3rd day is worth it.


I love trade downs. But the fact remains = It is harder to do it in the 7th than it is in the 6th than it is in the 5th and so on. There is a balance between quantity and quality.

Thielen was an UDFA. So I guess the real play is not to draft anyone and sign 180 UDFA.

Plus we'll likely have no OTAs and less development opps this year. I would guess the hit rate is lower this year vs previous years as a result.


"Thielen was an UDFA. So I guess the real play is not to draft anyone and sign 180 UDFA."

If you can guarantee hits like Thielen then yes... that is the smart play.
I don't love dropping down but you have to admit Ricker has had some success in the later rounds.
If we come out of tomorrow with a Thielen, Diggs, Griffen, Ant Harris etc... it's worth it.



kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/24/2020 11:38:13 PM)

We can draft Jake Reed's kid and Randy Moss's kid.



Don T in CO -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/24/2020 11:38:59 PM)

I think Rick took over drafting responsibilities in 2012. Here are his draft results (not a lot of hits after the 3rd round):

Year No. Round Pick Player Name Position College
2019 1 1 18 18 Garrett Bradbury C North Carolina State
2 2 18 50 Irv Smith Jr. TE Alabama
3 3 38 102 Alexander Mattison RB Boise State
4 4 12 114 Dru Samia G Oklahoma
5 5 24 162 Cameron Smith LB USC
6 6 17 190 Armon Watts DT Arkansas
7 6 18 191 Marcus Epps DB Wyoming
8 6 20 193 Olisaemeka Udoh T Elon
9 7 3 217 Kris Boyd DB Texas
10 7 25 239 Dillon Mitchell WR Oregon
11 7 33 247 Olabisi Johnson WR Colorado State
12 7 36 250 Austin Cutting C Air Force

2018 1 1 30 30 Mike Hughes DB Central Florida
2 2 30 62 Brian O'Neill T Pittsburgh
3 4 2 102 Jalyn Holmes DE Ohio State
4 5 20 157 Tyler Conklin TE Central Michigan
5 5 30 167 Daniel Carlson K Auburn
6 6 39 213 Colby Gossett G Appalachian State
7 6 44 218 Ade Aruna DE Tulane
8 7 7 225 Devante Downs LB California

2017 1 2 9 41 Dalvin Cook RB Florida State
2 3 6 70 Pat Elflein C Ohio State
3 4 2 109 Jaleel Johnson DT Iowa
4 4 14 120 Ben Gedeon LB Michigan
5 5 27 170 Rodney Adams WR South Florida
6 5 37 180 Danny Isidora G Miami (FL)
7 6 17 201 Bucky Hodges TE Virginia Tech
8 7 1 219 Stacy Coley WR Miami (FL)
9 7 2 220 Ifeadi Odenigbo DE Northwestern
10 7 14 232 Elijah Lee LB Kansas State
11 7 27 245 Jack Tocho DB North Carolina State

2016 1 1 23 23 Laquon Treadwell WR Mississippi
2 2 23 54 Mackensie Alexander DB Clemson
3 4 23 121 Willie Beavers T Western Michigan
4 5 23 160 Kentrell Brothers LB Missouri
5 6 5 180 Moritz Boehringer WR
6 6 13 188 David Morgan TE Texas-San Antonio
7 7 6 227 Stephen Weatherly LB Vanderbilt
8 7 23 244 Jayron Kearse DB Clemson

2015 1 1 11 11 Trae Waynes DB Michigan State
2 2 13 45 Eric Kendricks LB UCLA
3 3 24 88 Danielle Hunter DE Louisiana State
4 4 11 110 T.J. Clemmings T Pittsburgh
5 5 7 143 MyCole Pruitt TE Southern Illinois
6 5 10 146 Stefon Diggs WR Maryland
7 6 9 185 Tyrus Thompson T Oklahoma
8 6 17 193 B.J. Dubose DE Louisville
9 7 11 228 Austin Shepherd T Alabama
10 7 15 232 Edmond Robinson LB Newberry

2014 1 1 9 9 Anthony Barr LB UCLA
2 1 32 32 Teddy Bridgewater QB Louisville
3 3 8 72 Scott Crichton DE Oregon State
4 3 32 96 Jerick McKinnon RB Georgia Southern
5 5 5 145 David Yankey G Stanford
6 6 6 182 Antone Exum DB Virginia Tech
7 6 8 184 Kendall James DB Maine
8 7 5 220 Shamar Stephen DT Connecticut
9 7 8 223 Brandon Watts LB Georgia Tech
10 7 10 225 Jabari Price DB North Carolina

2013 1 1 23 23 Sharrif Floyd DT Florida
2 1 25 25 Xavier Rhodes DB Florida State
3 1 29 29 Cordarrelle Patterson WR Tennessee
4 4 23 120 Gerald Hodges LB Penn State
5 5 22 155 Jeff Locke P UCLA
6 6 28 196 Jeff Baca G UCLA
7 7 7 213 Michael Mauti LB Penn State
8 7 8 214 Travis Bond G North Carolina
9 7 23 229 Everett Dawkins DT Florida State

2012 1 1 4 4 Matt Kalil T USC
2 1 29 29 Harrison Smith DB Notre Dame
3 3 3 66 Josh Robinson DB Central Florida
4 4 23 118 Jarius Wright WR Arkansas
5 4 33 128 Rhett Ellison RB USC
6 4 39 134 Greg Childs WR Arkansas
7 5 4 139 Robert Blanton DB Notre Dame
8 6 5 175 Blair Walsh K Georgia
9 7 3 210 Audie Cole LB North Carolina State
10 7 12 219 Trevor Guyton DE California



Mark Anderson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/24/2020 11:39:54 PM)

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My top three players going into tomorrow as far as I can tell Simpson Eason and Tyler Johnson. Maybe we can get all three. Or none LOL. It will be fun.

Get the nasty injury prone Guard(Muti). Then grab 2 other guards(Bartch, Biadasz). Odds are one will work out.



Pager -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/24/2020 11:41:41 PM)

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I hope this is Spielmans last draft with the Vikes. All that draft Capital and we get ONE third round pick????

People always say this and we always do very well with the picks.



Jaleyn Holmes/Josh Malone/Willie Beavers/TJ Clemmings/Cassius Marsh


Always?



kevinemmer -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/24/2020 11:47:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

My top three players going into tomorrow as far as I can tell Simpson Eason and Tyler Johnson. Maybe we can get all three. Or none LOL. It will be fun.

Get the nasty injury prone Guard(Muti). Then grab 2 other guards(Bartch, Biadasz). Odds are one will work out.


I like it!



The Happy Norseman -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/24/2020 11:49:55 PM)

The weird thing is, no other team approaches the draft like RS. He loves to trade down for more picks at the expense of getting higher quality players. Just, because. If Belichick used the same approach, or Reid, or Tomlin or any other current Super Bowl winning team then it would be excusable. But literally no winning organization approaches the draft this way.



Pager -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/24/2020 11:50:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

There are plenty of good players that will get drafted tomorrow. We have the ammo to move all over the place to get some very solid players, let's let it play out, it could be a very fun day tomorrow!



We said that about today too.

and we got 2 pretty good ones. I get having problems with it. But honestly the odds of getting one better player out of those four picks than we would have with the one are very good.


And at some point you increase the odds of wasted pick(s) as not all of them will make the team. We are now talking about more draft picks on day 3 than most have during the entire draft.


It doesn't really matter if a bunch don't make the team.
The key is finding a player on 3rd day that is more that just a guy.
If you find a Diggs or Thielen or Everson Griffin than the shotgun approach on the 3rd day is worth it.


I love trade downs. But the fact remains = It is harder to do it in the 7th than it is in the 6th than it is in the 5th and so on. There is a balance between quantity and quality.

Thielen was an UDFA. So I guess the real play is not to draft anyone and sign 180 UDFA.

Plus we'll likely have no OTAs and less development opps this year. I would guess the hit rate is lower this year vs previous years as a result.


"Thielen was an UDFA. So I guess the real play is not to draft anyone and sign 180 UDFA."

If you can guarantee hits like Thielen then yes... that is the smart play.
I don't love dropping down but you have to admit Ricker has had some success in the later rounds.
If we come out of tomorrow with a Thielen, Diggs, Griffen, Ant Harris etc... it's worth it.



And if you can guarantee your trade-ups will always be Cook than you would always trade up.

If we missed on a Hunter by trading down it was not worth it.



Dave Odle -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/24/2020 11:53:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

The weird thing is, no other team approaches the draft like RS. He loves to trade down for more picks at the expense of getting higher quality players. Just, because. If Belichick used the same approach, or Reid, or Tomlin or any other current Super Bowl winning team then it would be excusable. But literally no winning organization approaches the draft this way.


Excellent point. Plus, so much of the quantity argument relies on coaching up those positions. It's been pretty hit or miss when it comes to that, especially w/ O-line, LBer's, and QB's.



unome -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/24/2020 11:54:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Don T in CO

I think Rick took over drafting responsibilities in 2012. Here are his draft results (not a lot of hits after the 3rd round):

Year No. Round Pick Player Name Position College
2019 1 1 18 18 Garrett Bradbury C North Carolina State
2 2 18 50 Irv Smith Jr. TE Alabama
3 3 38 102 Alexander Mattison RB Boise State
4 4 12 114 Dru Samia G Oklahoma
5 5 24 162 Cameron Smith LB USC
6 6 17 190 Armon Watts DT Arkansas
7 6 18 191 Marcus Epps DB Wyoming
8 6 20 193 Olisaemeka Udoh T Elon
9 7 3 217 Kris Boyd DB Texas
10 7 25 239 Dillon Mitchell WR Oregon
11 7 33 247 Olabisi Johnson WR Colorado State
12 7 36 250 Austin Cutting C Air Force

2018 1 1 30 30 Mike Hughes DB Central Florida


Last year's Third Day is looking pretty good. Samia, Smith, Udoh, Boyd, Bisi, our prized Long Snapper and KG's favorite Mitchell.



Pager -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/24/2020 11:57:23 PM)

Cmon Rick you can break some records!!!

I had to crunch the numbers. The NFL went to 7 rounds in 1993, so we'll go from there. Yes the 16 picks would be a record.

The 1997 Dolphins and 2016 Browns had a record 14 picks each. The Vikings record was 12 last year. So basically 28 picks in 2 years. That's 4 years worth of picks. Yikes. In 2017 we had 11. Rick had a down year in 2018 at only 8. Since 2011 we had 10 or more picks 6 times out of the 9 years and averaged 10. The fewest was 8.

The most picks rounds 4-7 was 10, set by 5 teams, last by the 2018 Rams. Vikings 13 this year

The most picks rounds 5-7 was 8, set by 5 teams, last pulled off by the 2019 Vikings. Vikings 10 this year

The most picks rounds 6-7 was 7, set by the 2019 Vikings. Vikings 7 this year

The most picks in the 7th round was 5, set by 4 teams, last by 2014 Cowboys. Vikings had 4 last year. Vikings 4 this year



Pager -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/25/2020 12:04:57 AM)

Not sure if you all have been entertained by my Packer fan copy and pastes. This is my favorite:

Honestly
If we let the dailynorsemen vote and choose our picks so far would they have actually been worse than what we got?

Posted by EaterOfCheese on Apr 24, 2020 | 11:53 PM up reply rec flag



kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/25/2020 12:26:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: lyle chabot

I hope this is Spielmans last draft with the Vikes. All that draft Capital and we get ONE third round pick????

People always say this and we always do very well with the picks.



Jaleyn Holmes/Josh Malone/Willie Beavers/TJ Clemmings/Cassius Marsh


Always?

Hyperbole and were those picks all from trade downs. That is all I'm talking about.



kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/25/2020 12:28:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Pager

Not sure if you all have been entertained by my Packer fan copy and pastes. This is my favorite:

Honestly
If we let the dailynorsemen vote and choose our picks so far would they have actually been worse than what we got?

Posted by EaterOfCheese on Apr 24, 2020 | 11:53 PM up reply rec flag

[:D]



kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/25/2020 1:29:16 AM)

I ran a sim of the rest of the draft. This is what I got without even trying. I did one trade to get the first pick of the day

MIN 107.
Curtis Weaver
DE Boise State
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MIN 130.
Tyler Biadasz
C Wisconsin
MIN 132.
Kenny Robinson
S XFL (West Virginia)
MIN 176.
K'Von Wallace
S Clemson
MIN 201.
Reggie Robinson
CB Tulsa
MIN 203.
Quez Watkins
WR Southern Miss
MIN 205.
Saahdiq Charles
OT LSU
MIN 219.
Geno Stone
S Iowa
MIN 244.
Carter Coughlin
OLB Minnesota
MIN 249.
JaMycal Hasty
RB Baylor
MIN 253.
Derrek Tuszka
DE North Dakota State

Would that be a good result? I think this is a reasonably accurate portrayal of what we could come out of the rest of the draft with by only making one trade.



DeLain -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/25/2020 2:17:33 AM)

Of the 42 players that we had in for visits....these are who still not drafted.

Cohl Cabral C Arizona State
Frederick Mauigoa C Washington State
Amik Robertson^ CB Louisiana Tech
Lamar Jackson CB Nebraska
A.J. Green CB Oklahoma State
Chris Williamson CB Minnesota
James Lynch^ DE Baylor
Kameron Cline DT South Dakota
Kevin Dotson^ G La.-Lafayette
Darryl Williams G/C Mississippi State
Shaun Bradley ILB Temple
Carter Coughlin OLB Minnesota
Jake Fromm QB Georgia
Sewo Olonilua RB TCU
Jeremiah Dinson S Auburn
Jalen Elliott S Notre Dame
Alohi Gilman S Notre Dame
J.R. Reed S Georgia
Kenny Robinson S West Virginia
Quartney Davis WR Texas A&M
Cameron Clark G Charlotte



Dave Odle -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/25/2020 2:23:28 AM)

Well, I guess that answers that.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/04/25/report-trent-williams-declined-trade-to-minnesota/



kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/25/2020 4:47:57 AM)

best available players left per Sports Illustrated
https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/04/25/best-prospects-still-available-day-3-2020-nfl-draft

Vikings needs. Guard, DT, DE, S, WR, Once these are covered if we don't do any more trades it should simply be BPA the rest of the way.
#1 Curtis Weaver Edge Boise State. We can have a class reunion for Mattison, and Cleveland and meet a big need with the highest rated player on the board.
#2 Amik Robertson CB Louisiana Tech if we are looking at Dantzler as a safety
#4 Eason QB Washington We have so many picks. Why not use one to upgrade the backup QB
10 Tyler Biadasz IOL Wisconsin Highest rated G/C
11. Donovan Peoples-Jones, WR, Michigan
15. James Lynch, IDL, Baylor
17. Tyler Johnson, WR, Minnesota
19. Netane Muti, IOL, Fresno State
21. Khalid Kareem, EDGE, Notre Dame
28. Ben Bartch, OT, St. John's (MN) Rated Much higher on other boards and considered a guard prospect as well
30. John Simpson, IOL, Clemson Rated Much higher on other boards Might be my personal favorite for first pick day three
36. K'Von Wallace, S, Clemson



kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/25/2020 4:56:47 AM)

For those who wish we had traded up I think we are very lucky we didn't.
Vikings tried to move up for Jefferson. It would have probably cost us pick 58 or 89 to do it and we got him anyway.
Next player we most likely would have traded up for Ezra Cleveland Got him anyway.
Next Player Maybe Jordan Elliott would have cost us 89 Dantzler and 105 which we ended up trading down for 4 picks

Would any of those have been a good move?



Pager -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/25/2020 5:19:15 AM)

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For those who wish we had traded up I think we are very lucky we didn't.
Vikings tried to move up for Jefferson. It would have probably cost us pick 58 or 89 to do it and we got him anyway.
Next player we most likely would have traded up for Ezra Cleveland Got him anyway.
Next Player Maybe Jordan Elliott would have cost us 89 Dantzler and 105 which we ended up trading down for 4 picks

Would any of those have been a good move?



The second two are red herrings. No evidence suggests we tried to trade up for Ezra. The player we tried to trade up for was Gillimore. And no one will be able to answer whether it was a good move for 2-3 years. But right now, I would rather have Gillimore and a trade up for Dantzler and "only" have 6 draft picks on day 3.



kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/25/2020 5:26:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Dave Odle

Well, I guess that answers that.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/04/25/report-trent-williams-declined-trade-to-minnesota/

I don't know if I believe the report. Williams desperately wants out of Washington. Would he try to block his best chance. All reports are he has a good relationship with Cousins.



Pager -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/25/2020 5:28:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Dave Odle

Well, I guess that answers that.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/04/25/report-trent-williams-declined-trade-to-minnesota/

I don't know if I believe the report. Williams desperately wants out of Washington. Would he try to block his best chance. All reports are he has a good relationship with Cousins.



Maybe he looked at our cap situation and realized he couldn't get as much as if he went somewhere else.



kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/25/2020 5:29:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

For those who wish we had traded up I think we are very lucky we didn't.
Vikings tried to move up for Jefferson. It would have probably cost us pick 58 or 89 to do it and we got him anyway.
Next player we most likely would have traded up for Ezra Cleveland Got him anyway.
Next Player Maybe Jordan Elliott would have cost us 89 Dantzler and 105 which we ended up trading down for 4 picks

Would any of those have been a good move?



The second two are red herrings. No evidence suggests we tried to trade up for Ezra. The player we tried to trade up for was Gillimore. And no one will be able to answer whether it was a good move for 2-3 years. But right now, I would rather have Gillimore and a trade up for Dantzler and "only" have 9 draft picks on day 3.

I'm totally guessing, but If we were going to trade up in the second I think Cleveland is the most likely player we would have targeted. Gallimore and Elliott were the two best DTs according to most. We almost certainly could have traded up for Elliott with 89 and 105. Gallimore may have cost more. We most likely did not have the draft capital to trade up for either and still get Dantzler.



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