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IMHO Claypool sounds slow. No thanks. [:D]

Claypool is very fast.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

IMHO Claypool sounds slow. No thanks. [:D]

Claypool is very fast.

JFC, you are dense. It was a joke about his name. [&o]

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

IMHO Claypool sounds slow. No thanks. [:D]

Claypool is very fast.

JFC, you are dense. It was a joke about his name. [&o]

OIC sorry. Should have spotted the smiley face.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

IMHO Claypool sounds slow. No thanks. [:D]

Claypool is very fast.

JFC, you are dense. It was a joke about his name. [&o]

OIC sorry. Should have spotted the smiley face.

NP, sorry about the overreaction on my part.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

For those interested in taking in depth looks at all the draft picks Chris Simms and NBC sports are doing 25 minutes of analysis on almost every draft prospect on YouTube.
Here is one on potential Vikings QB of the Future Jalen Hurts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjXEBLGaQoM

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

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ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

The WR's I'd like to see the Vikings pick up in this years draft are Claypool and Tyler Johnson. I believe with the guys we already have and these two, we would have a solid WR room, with options in play calling as the year goes on. I believe Claypool will be there in the late second or early third and Johnson in the 4th or fifth.

I do not think the Vikings will draft twice in the first round. I see them trading one of their first picks and moving back, possibly getting an extra 2nd and third. If so, that would mean the options to get 6 players in the first 105 guys taken. All the holes would have an early draft option as possible help to plug in.

I think Claypool is risky... watching him he just seems a bit stiff like Treadwell...

Justin Jefferson and then a guy like Devin Duvernay I think would instantly fix your WR problems....

but what do I know.

Yea, the great thing about this draft is that you could get two guys in the first five rounds and there is really several combinations available, that that last video pointed out. It should be interesting!

Agreed... I'm somewhat optimistic about being able to fix WR.

I'm more concerned with CB.
Do existing guys step up?
Do we draft 1 high?
Is drafting 1 high enough?

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

#22. LT. Cut Reiff after June 1st. He is too mediocre and eats up too much cap to boot. 1st Rounder - Udoh - Bradbury - Samia - O'Neill.

#25. CB. Hughes, Hill, Boyd, and Fields would have been ok in the 80s, but not in today's pass-happy NFL.

#58. WR. Lots of prospects.

Still need help on the DL but it's comparatively stable if Odenigbo is the heir at DE. Worthy of upgrading, but there 'must address' needs are more important.

Isn't Udoh a tackle?

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

#22. LT. Cut Reiff after June 1st. He is too mediocre and eats up too much cap to boot. 1st Rounder - Udoh - Bradbury - Samia - O'Neill.

#25. CB. Hughes, Hill, Boyd, and Fields would have been ok in the 80s, but not in today's pass-happy NFL.

#58. WR. Lots of prospects.

Still need help on the DL but it's comparatively stable if Odenigbo is the heir at DE. Worthy of upgrading, but there 'must address' needs are more important.

Isn't Udoh a tackle?

Yes.

I’ve seen this a couple times (Moving Udoh to G)

He’s a project even at Tackle, not sure how you pencil a guy like that in as a day one starter at a different position?

I like him, but not now, especially at guard.

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

For those interested in taking in depth looks at all the draft picks Chris Simms and NBC sports are doing 25 minutes of analysis on almost every draft prospect on YouTube.
Here is one on potential Vikings QB of the Future Jalen Hurts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjXEBLGaQoM

I think we are all going to be very disappointed and the Vikes end up not using any picks on QBs... front office seems to be very comfortable because we landed Mannion 2 years in row.

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I'm with drafting CB early, but in the recent past we've drafted three CBs in the first and one in the second, and we currently have zero CBs on our roster who have been starters. Why do we think Speilman and Zimmer are the right combo to upgrade CB?

You make it sound like Rhodes, Waynes, Hughes, and Alexander have all been failed draft picks.

Rhodes was top notch for awhile; I'd absolutely draft another Rhodes ... I would have managed him differently the last few years but that has nothing to do with his drafting ... he was dam good for awhile.

Waynes and Alexander are decent, serviceable DBs; I myself would have gladly resigned Alexander (even to compete outside if that was what he required). Waynes? Not for the money he signed but coming out of college, he looked like pretty dam good ... the player has to take some responsibility for not reaching his potential.

Not sure yet what we have with Hughes ... a little early (because of injury / playing behind presumptive starters) to judge.

Last offseason it seemed like we had an embarrassment of CB riches – this year, like the bottom dropped out. The money issue has a lot to do with that situation ... maybe not everything ... but there is no reason to think that Spielman / Zimmer can't draft / develop a decent CB.

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I'm with drafting CB early, but in the recent past we've drafted three CBs in the first and one in the second, and we currently have zero CBs on our roster who have been starters. Why do we think Speilman and Zimmer are the right combo to upgrade CB?

You make it sound like Rhodes, Waynes, Hughes, and Alexander have all been failed draft picks.

Rhodes was top notch for awhile; I'd absolutely draft another Rhodes ... I would have managed him differently the last few years but that has nothing to do with his drafting ... he was dam good for awhile.

Waynes and Alexander are decent, serviceable DBs; I myself would have gladly resigned Alexander (even to compete outside if that was what he required). Waynes? Not for the money he signed but coming out of college, he looked like pretty dam good ... the player has to take some responsibility for not reaching his potential.

Not sure yet what we have with Hughes ... a little early (because of injury / playing behind presumptive starters) to judge.

Last offseason it seemed like we had an embarrassment of CB riches – this year, like the bottom dropped out. The money issue has a lot to do with that situation ... maybe not everything ... but there is no reason to think that Spielman / Zimmer can't draft / develop a decent CB.

Before the draft there was a lot of debate about whether to draft a CB (after OL) because Rhodes was slipping, Waynes & Mac were going to be FAs, and Hughes/Hill were big questionmarks for various reasons. Maybe riches, but mostly on paper.

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I'm with drafting CB early, but in the recent past we've drafted three CBs in the first and one in the second, and we currently have zero CBs on our roster who have been starters. Why do we think Speilman and Zimmer are the right combo to upgrade CB?

You make it sound like Rhodes, Waynes, Hughes, and Alexander have all been failed draft picks.

Rhodes was top notch for awhile; I'd absolutely draft another Rhodes ... I would have managed him differently the last few years but that has nothing to do with his drafting ... he was dam good for awhile.

Waynes and Alexander are decent, serviceable DBs; I myself would have gladly resigned Alexander (even to compete outside if that was what he required). Waynes? Not for the money he signed but coming out of college, he looked like pretty dam good ... the player has to take some responsibility for not reaching his potential.

Not sure yet what we have with Hughes ... a little early (because of injury / playing behind presumptive starters) to judge.

Last offseason it seemed like we had an embarrassment of CB riches – this year, like the bottom dropped out. The money issue has a lot to do with that situation ... maybe not everything ... but there is no reason to think that Spielman / Zimmer can't draft / develop a decent CB.

Before the draft there was a lot of debate about whether to draft a CB (after OL) because Rhodes was slipping, Waynes & Mac were going to be FAs, and Hughes/Hill were big questionmarks for various reasons. Maybe riches, but mostly on paper.

It's the same this March and every March, there's no mostly about it, its all on paper.

I remember hearing CB talk last offseason because of Waynes and Mac this offseason but that did not compete with OL or BPA ... I thought Rhodes might bounce back a little from the previous year's inconsistency / being dinged up all the time. No, he absolutely fell off a cliff. (maybe this train of thought was from two offseasons ago, my memory sucks)

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The more I think about this draft I'm convinced that our best somewhat realistic option at pick #22 is Javon Kinlaw. Adding him and Pierce with Hunter and a rapidly rising Odin BigO would make our D line one of if not the most dominant in the league. Football is won in the trenches.

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The more I think about this draft I'm convinced that our best somewhat realistic option at pick #22 is Javon Kinlaw. Adding him and Pierce with Hunter and a rapidly rising Odin BigO would make our D line one of if not the most dominant in the league. Football is won in the trenches.

imo our biggest need right now is at guard...we need two solid starting guards...perhaps samia is one of them and it would be great if he were, but we need a proven solid left guard....

i would gladly trade harris for a top tier left guard - that would really open up our draft and allow us to trade back for additional picks in the 2nd and 3rd - if we pick well, we could fill all of our needs with great/good players on cheap four-year deals...move back twice and have seven selections in the first 105 draft picks....

cb - ot - wr - s - dt - g - cb - wr (tyler johnson) - bpa and the way out....

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

The more I think about this draft I'm convinced that our best somewhat realistic option at pick #22 is Javon Kinlaw. Adding him and Pierce with Hunter and a rapidly rising Odin BigO would make our D line one of if not the most dominant in the league. Football is won in the trenches.

imo our biggest need right now is at guard...we need two solid starting guards...perhaps samia is one of them and it would be great if he were, but we need a proven solid left guard....

i would gladly trade harris for a top tier left guard - that would really open up our draft and allow us to trade back for additional picks in the 2nd and 3rd - if we pick well, we could fill all of our needs with great/good players on cheap four-year deals...move back twice and have seven selections in the first 105 draft picks....

cb - ot - wr - s - dt - g - cb - wr (tyler johnson) - bpa and the way out....

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

The more I think about this draft I'm convinced that our best somewhat realistic option at pick #22 is Javon Kinlaw. Adding him and Pierce with Hunter and a rapidly rising Odin BigO would make our D line one of if not the most dominant in the league. Football is won in the trenches.

imo our biggest need right now is at guard...we need two solid starting guards...perhaps samia is one of them and it would be great if he were, but we need a proven solid left guard....

i would gladly trade harris for a top tier left guard - that would really open up our draft and allow us to trade back for additional picks in the 2nd and 3rd - if we pick well, we could fill all of our needs with great/good players on cheap four-year deals...move back twice and have seven selections in the first 105 draft picks....

cb - ot - wr - s - dt - g - cb - wr (tyler johnson) - bpa and the way out....

Hollins has shown the ability to get open.

However, he had some big drops in the both the games I remember seeing him play in.

Bears game he had a 3rd down drop on a slant.
New Orleans playoff game had a drop on a deep seam that would have been a big play.

That is the key... can he improve there.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

The more I think about this draft I'm convinced that our best somewhat realistic option at pick #22 is Javon Kinlaw. Adding him and Pierce with Hunter and a rapidly rising Odin BigO would make our D line one of if not the most dominant in the league. Football is won in the trenches.

imo our biggest need right now is at guard...we need two solid starting guards...perhaps samia is one of them and it would be great if he were, but we need a proven solid left guard....

i would gladly trade harris for a top tier left guard - that would really open up our draft and allow us to trade back for additional picks in the 2nd and 3rd - if we pick well, we could fill all of our needs with great/good players on cheap four-year deals...move back twice and have seven selections in the first 105 draft picks....

cb - ot - wr - s - dt - g - cb - wr (tyler johnson) - bpa and the way out....

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

The more I think about this draft I'm convinced that our best somewhat realistic option at pick #22 is Javon Kinlaw. Adding him and Pierce with Hunter and a rapidly rising Odin BigO would make our D line one of if not the most dominant in the league. Football is won in the trenches.

imo our biggest need right now is at guard...we need two solid starting guards...perhaps samia is one of them and it would be great if he were, but we need a proven solid left guard....

i would gladly trade harris for a top tier left guard - that would really open up our draft and allow us to trade back for additional picks in the 2nd and 3rd - if we pick well, we could fill all of our needs with great/good players on cheap four-year deals...move back twice and have seven selections in the first 105 draft picks....

cb - ot - wr - s - dt - g - cb - wr (tyler johnson) - bpa and the way out....

Hollins has shown the ability to get open.

However, he had some big drops in the both the games I remember seeing him play in.

Bears game he had a 3rd down drop on a slant.
New Orleans playoff game had a drop on a deep seam that would have been a big play.

That is the key... can he improve there.

pretty good defense and the pass was underthrown...the defender got his hand on the ball just as hollins touched it - it would have been a huge play if was completed....

i think we've got a pretty good group of very young wr's, but we do need one top tier rookie wr this draft....

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Don't forget we need corners. We lost three to free agency.