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kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (3/28/2020 1:04:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson Without trading up we should have some decent options. This is the (consensus) big board at #22. What are you doing? RB D'Andre Swift (UG) LB Patrick Queen (LSU) S Xavier McKinney (Bama) WR Tee Higgins (Clemson) WR Laviska Shenault (UC) DE Yetur Gross-Matos (PSU) IDL Ross Blacklock (TCU) IOL Cesar Ruiz (UM) T Josh Jones (Houston) (Purple Post on Twitter) McKinney(assuming we traded Harris) or Gross Matos You don't see Odenigbo as worthy of being our starter at DE? Of course it depends a lot on if we trade Harris and what we trade him for, but it seems to me that we have a screaming need for CB, WR and offensive line. That's what I want to see our first three picks for, even if Harris is gone. We need a DLine that can get to the QB. It will make all our CBs better. We will have a DE rotation. Plenty of playing time for both Odenigbo and Gross-Matos. We rotated 5 DE's last season and lost two to FA. Need to draft a good one that can contribute. Clearly it's a need. Hunter was selected in the third round and I see a lot of prospects who will go between the end of the first round until the third round. I would rather trade up in the third round for a player who drops a bit. We've had good luck picking developmental guys which i don't have a problem with a mid rd guy with some upside. But if a good one slips like Chaissen we should pull the trigger on him. Agreed on Chaisson. NFL.Com has him the 6th highest rated player in the draft with a 6.88 score.

Bill Jandro -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (3/28/2020 1:23:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson Without trading up we should have some decent options. This is the (consensus) big board at #22. What are you doing? RB D'Andre Swift (UG) LB Patrick Queen (LSU) S Xavier McKinney (Bama) WR Tee Higgins (Clemson) WR Laviska Shenault (UC) DE Yetur Gross-Matos (PSU) IDL Ross Blacklock (TCU) IOL Cesar Ruiz (UM) T Josh Jones (Houston) (Purple Post on Twitter) McKinney(assuming we traded Harris) or Gross Matos You don't see Odenigbo as worthy of being our starter at DE? Of course it depends a lot on if we trade Harris and what we trade him for, but it seems to me that we have a screaming need for CB, WR and offensive line. That's what I want to see our first three picks for, even if Harris is gone. We need a DLine that can get to the QB. It will make all our CBs better. We will have a DE rotation. Plenty of playing time for both Odenigbo and Gross-Matos. We rotated 5 DE's last season and lost two to FA. Need to draft a good one that can contribute. Clearly it's a need. Hunter was selected in the third round and I see a lot of prospects who will go between the end of the first round until the third round. I would rather trade up in the third round for a player who drops a bit. We've had good luck picking developmental guys which i don't have a problem with a mid rd guy with some upside. But if a good one slips like Chaissen we should pull the trigger on him. Agreed on Chaisson. NFL.Com has him the 6th highest rated player in the draft with a 6.88 score. Most have him as the best edge rusher in this class next to Chase Young. I expect him to go top 5-10 easily. These edge guys fly off the board early like popcorn.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (3/28/2020 1:33:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Chris Olson sheesh, all this time I thought we had two picks in the second also [:o] now I don't know what to think...WR versus DL versus OL... I feel like Zim wants DL... but OL could trump that for sure I'm sure the Vikings would be happy to get a second round pick for Harris.

kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (3/28/2020 4:41:15 PM)
I just saw the rankings for draft capital on NFL.Com. Vikings despite multiple 1sts and 3rds are only 21st. So all our excitement for the draft should probably be tempered a bit.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (3/28/2020 6:50:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom I just saw the rankings for draft capital on NFL.Com. Vikings despite multiple 1sts and 3rds are only 21st. So all our excitement for the draft should probably be tempered a bit. We probably don't have the average compensatory picks. We did trade away a fourth rounder for the kicker. I can't think of any other reason, maybe you can why the Vikings draft capital is less than average. Wait. I know. Because we had a successful season and draft at the back end of each round.

Guest -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (3/28/2020 6:56:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom I just saw the rankings for draft capital on NFL.Com. Vikings despite multiple 1sts and 3rds are only 21st. So all our excitement for the draft should probably be tempered a bit. We probably don't have the average compensatory picks. We did trade away a fourth rounder for the kicker. I can't think of any other reason, maybe you can why the Vikings draft capital is less than average. Wait. I know. Because we had a successful season and draft at the back end of each round. Not much better, but I thought it was a 5th rounder for the Ravens kicker [sm=vomit.gif]

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (3/28/2020 7:10:59 PM)
Good article here. We'll have to remember these names. https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/three-slot-corners-vikings-middle-rounds-nfl-draft

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (3/28/2020 7:23:56 PM)
A big opinion here on Justin Jefferson. Could he be a Viking soon? https://twitter.com/CSimmsQB/status/1243932379724632064?s=20

kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (3/28/2020 7:27:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom I just saw the rankings for draft capital on NFL.Com. Vikings despite multiple 1sts and 3rds are only 21st. So all our excitement for the draft should probably be tempered a bit. We probably don't have the average compensatory picks. We did trade away a fourth rounder for the kicker. I can't think of any other reason, maybe you can why the Vikings draft capital is less than average. Wait. I know. Because we had a successful season and draft at the back end of each round. Bruce I get that we had a late draft position, but I thought that an extra first and third would compensate for that and make us at least middle of the pack.

beo -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (3/28/2020 7:34:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson A big opinion here on Justin Jefferson. Could he be a Viking soon? https://twitter.com/CSimmsQB/status/1243932379724632064?s=20 I love Jefferson as well... I'm very torn in that I'm not sure it's a great idea to replace the receiver you just dealt with a first round WR... but if Jefferson is there late first... I think he has ability to be very good from day 1.

kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (3/28/2020 7:36:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson Good article here. We'll have to remember these names. https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/three-slot-corners-vikings-middle-rounds-nfl-draft I already liked Robertson and after reading the article I now like Holmes.

kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (3/28/2020 7:42:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: beo quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson A big opinion here on Justin Jefferson. Could he be a Viking soon? https://twitter.com/CSimmsQB/status/1243932379724632064?s=20 I love Jefferson as well... I'm very torn in that I'm not sure it's a great idea to replace the receiver you just dealt with a first round WR... but if Jefferson is there late first... I think he has ability to be very good from day 1. The knock on Jefferson is that he is a slot receiver only. When they tried him on the outside his production went down a lot. Thielen is primarily a slot receiver so there's a conflict. I personally would draft him in the first anyway.

Chris Olson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (3/28/2020 8:33:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom I just saw the rankings for draft capital on NFL.Com. Vikings despite multiple 1sts and 3rds are only 21st. So all our excitement for the draft should probably be tempered a bit. I added it up and they didn't count it properly...I think they missed the first rounder we got from Buffalo... nfl.com say we have 1327 points but our two first rounders give us more than that 22-780 25-720 58-320 89-145 105-84 132-40 155-28.2 201-9.8 205-8.2 last 3 7th rounders are 1 each =2098.2 good for 14th instead of 23rd if you can believe the rest is accurate[&o]

thebigo -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (3/28/2020 9:06:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kurt bilben quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom I just saw the rankings for draft capital on NFL.Com. Vikings despite multiple 1sts and 3rds are only 21st. So all our excitement for the draft should probably be tempered a bit. We probably don't have the average compensatory picks. We did trade away a fourth rounder for the kicker. I can't think of any other reason, maybe you can why the Vikings draft capital is less than average. Wait. I know. Because we had a successful season and draft at the back end of each round. Not much better, but I thought it was a 5th rounder for the Ravens kicker [sm=vomit.gif] It was a 5th, but we also got a 5th back in the Diggs trade.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (3/28/2020 10:09:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: kurt bilben quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom I just saw the rankings for draft capital on NFL.Com. Vikings despite multiple 1sts and 3rds are only 21st. So all our excitement for the draft should probably be tempered a bit. We probably don't have the average compensatory picks. We did trade away a fourth rounder for the kicker. I can't think of any other reason, maybe you can why the Vikings draft capital is less than average. Wait. I know. Because we had a successful season and draft at the back end of each round. Not much better, but I thought it was a 5th rounder for the Ravens kicker [sm=vomit.gif] It was a 5th, but we also got a 5th back in the Diggs trade. Not my day for getting things right.

Dana Turner -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (3/28/2020 10:47:21 PM)
Watching this Tuszka kid reminds me a lot of Jared Allen. I am not saying that he is as good, blah, blah, blah, I am saying he reminds me a lot of him when he was coming out of Idaho, same kind of energy and relentless pursuit. He's be a guy to take a flyer on in day three.

beo -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (3/28/2020 11:10:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: beo quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson A big opinion here on Justin Jefferson. Could he be a Viking soon? https://twitter.com/CSimmsQB/status/1243932379724632064?s=20 I love Jefferson as well... I'm very torn in that I'm not sure it's a great idea to replace the receiver you just dealt with a first round WR... but if Jefferson is there late first... I think he has ability to be very good from day 1. The knock on Jefferson is that he is a slot receiver only. When they tried him on the outside his production went down a lot. Thielen is primarily a slot receiver so there's a conflict. I personally would draft him in the first anyway. Watching his film... I don't see that at all... which doesn't really mean much. However, like Simms comments... when you have a receiver that runs great routes with great hands... it's hard not to like to like him. I see a handful of elite WRs and then the next group of a lot of good WRs. It just depends on your strategy... but if you want an elite WR I think Jefferson will end up one. I'd also pick a bone with saying Thielen is primarily a slot WR... he certainly played in the slot but he has played a ton outside as well... his skill set isn't limited to slot by any means.

bohumm -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (3/29/2020 12:05:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: beo quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson A big opinion here on Justin Jefferson. Could he be a Viking soon? https://twitter.com/CSimmsQB/status/1243932379724632064?s=20 I love Jefferson as well... I'm very torn in that I'm not sure it's a great idea to replace the receiver you just dealt with a first round WR... but if Jefferson is there late first... I think he has ability to be very good from day 1. I feel the same. Some analysts make him sound like a cross between Michael Thomas and Keenan Allen, but if he's really all that, why is he there in the 20s? There's also the matter of need, but will a Day 1 OG be available in the late first who wouldn't also be there in the second? I believed the analysts on Bradbury, and he still might live up to his hype, but who really knows?

bohumm -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (3/29/2020 12:09:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: beo quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: beo quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson A big opinion here on Justin Jefferson. Could he be a Viking soon? https://twitter.com/CSimmsQB/status/1243932379724632064?s=20 I love Jefferson as well... I'm very torn in that I'm not sure it's a great idea to replace the receiver you just dealt with a first round WR... but if Jefferson is there late first... I think he has ability to be very good from day 1. The knock on Jefferson is that he is a slot receiver only. When they tried him on the outside his production went down a lot. Thielen is primarily a slot receiver so there's a conflict. I personally would draft him in the first anyway. Watching his film... I don't see that at all... which doesn't really mean much. However, like Simms comments... when you have a receiver that runs great routes with great hands... it's hard not to like to like him. I see a handful of elite WRs and then the next group of a lot of good WRs. It just depends on your strategy... but if you want an elite WR I think Jefferson will end up one. I'd also pick a bone with saying Thielen is primarily a slot WR... he certainly played in the slot but he has played a ton outside as well... his skill set isn't limited to slot by any means. I like having guys who can play the slot or outside, and have at least a little speed. Jefferson has all that. Plus hands. I don't want any receiver who needs to work on his hands; even working on focus is a yellow light about to turn red.....

kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (3/29/2020 1:36:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Chris Olson quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom I just saw the rankings for draft capital on NFL.Com. Vikings despite multiple 1sts and 3rds are only 21st. So all our excitement for the draft should probably be tempered a bit. I added it up and they didn't count it properly...I think they missed the first rounder we got from Buffalo... nfl.com say we have 1327 points but our two first rounders give us more than that 22-780 25-720 58-320 89-145 105-84 132-40 155-28.2 201-9.8 205-8.2 last 3 7th rounders are 1 each =2098.2 good for 14th instead of 23rd if you can believe the rest is accurate[&o] I wondered about that, but it was dated today. How could they have made that huge of a mistake. On the other hand another first getting us to 14th is about what I would expect. Thanks for the great work Chris.

kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (3/29/2020 1:40:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: beo quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: beo quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson A big opinion here on Justin Jefferson. Could he be a Viking soon? https://twitter.com/CSimmsQB/status/1243932379724632064?s=20 I love Jefferson as well... I'm very torn in that I'm not sure it's a great idea to replace the receiver you just dealt with a first round WR... but if Jefferson is there late first... I think he has ability to be very good from day 1. The knock on Jefferson is that he is a slot receiver only. When they tried him on the outside his production went down a lot. Thielen is primarily a slot receiver so there's a conflict. I personally would draft him in the first anyway. Watching his film... I don't see that at all... which doesn't really mean much. However, like Simms comments... when you have a receiver that runs great routes with great hands... it's hard not to like to like him. I see a handful of elite WRs and then the next group of a lot of good WRs. It just depends on your strategy... but if you want an elite WR I think Jefferson will end up one. I'd also pick a bone with saying Thielen is primarily a slot WR... he certainly played in the slot but he has played a ton outside as well... his skill set isn't limited to slot by any means. Jefferson just being a slot receiver I have seen in a number of places on the spiderweb. I'm just repeating what I have heard about that. I think it's fair to say that Thielen is primarily a slot receiver that can certainly play outside as well. I'm not letting the slot only thing bother me much at all. I was just stating why some people discount him a bit.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (3/29/2020 2:44:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom Here's a pretty nice mock I was able to do on the FanSpeak simulator. 22: R1P22 WR HENRY RUGGS III ALABAMA 25: R1P25 EDGE K'LAVON CHAISSON LSU 58: R2P26 CB JEFF GLADNEY TCU 89: R3P25 C TYLER BIADASZ WISCONSIN 105: R3P41 OT LUCAS NIANG TCU 132: R4P26 RB ANTONIO GIBSON MEMPHIS 155: R5P9 G JONAH JACKSON OHIO STATE 201: R6P22 G JON RUNYAN MICHIGAN 205: R6P26 DL RAEQUAN WILLIAMS MICHIGAN STATE 219: R7P5 QB ANTHONY GORDON WASHINGTON STATE 249: R7P35 LB TANNER MUSE CLEMSON 253: R7P39 EDGE KENDALL COLEMAN SYRACUSE Got Ruggs for the first time and still got Chaisson and one of the best CBs. Got solid OL with depth, but no great OL. The RB Gibson is expected to play WR in the NFL with some great gadget play potential. The LB Muse is expected to play Safety in the NFL. quote: TYLER BIADASZ We need a plug-in solid left guard as part of this draft.... Biadasz——He plays under control and usually hits his landmarks, but he has issues winning when matched against power. Pass protection could be a concern, as NFL sub-rushers will feast on his lunging and average lateral quickness. Biadasz's skill level has been developed, so he could become an early starter with limited upside. . .

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (3/29/2020 8:16:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dana Turner Watching this Tuska kid reminds me a lot of Jared Allen. I am not saying that he is as good, blah, blah, blah, I am saying he reminds me a lot of him when he was coming out of Idaho, same kind of energy and relentless pursuit. He's be a guy to take a flyer on in day three. I am reading that he would be a first rounder if it weren't for an injury. It's hard for the teams to evaluate injuries these days with the virus situation. I'm assuming you are referring to Terrell Lewis. I'm thinking that he might be there for us with our second round pick, but probably not for our third rounder. It looks like he's a potential starter and stud if he can stay healthy, but he missed parts of two seasons in Alabama. https://www.nfl.com/prospects/terrell-lewis?id=32194c45-5772-9970-70f8-fe95f5aaea05

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (3/29/2020 8:26:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: beo quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: beo quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson A big opinion here on Justin Jefferson. Could he be a Viking soon? https://twitter.com/CSimmsQB/status/1243932379724632064?s=20 I love Jefferson as well... I'm very torn in that I'm not sure it's a great idea to replace the receiver you just dealt with a first round WR... but if Jefferson is there late first... I think he has ability to be very good from day 1. The knock on Jefferson is that he is a slot receiver only. When they tried him on the outside his production went down a lot. Thielen is primarily a slot receiver so there's a conflict. I personally would draft him in the first anyway. Watching his film... I don't see that at all... which doesn't really mean much. However, like Simms comments... when you have a receiver that runs great routes with great hands... it's hard not to like to like him. I see a handful of elite WRs and then the next group of a lot of good WRs. It just depends on your strategy... but if you want an elite WR I think Jefferson will end up one. I'd also pick a bone with saying Thielen is primarily a slot WR... he certainly played in the slot but he has played a ton outside as well... his skill set isn't limited to slot by any means. I bet Jefferson didn't have any bad games being that his team won every one of them last season. Still, I am thinking that going off of highlight videos is only going to show the potential of a receiver. I bet the scouts like to especially review game film when one player is matched up with another player who will play on Sundays. Then there's the Senior Bowl practices which is more of that. According to this profile, his weakness is his route running. Add to that he began to excel after being moved to the slot, so he certainly has his limitations, but he is also good at retrieving contested balls. He certainly has that size and athleticism combination that will have teams salivating. His quarterback was very agile and created plays out of nothing, so again I believe he benefited a lot from being an LSU Tiger. He is a player who could be complementary to what we have. I mean we don't have a player like him. Tajae Sharpe, Olabisi and Thielen all seem really good at running routes. Like in basketball, wide receivers are often a matter of match ups. A corner may be really good with the loose hips and the quickness to stay with good route runners, but may be lacking with the size, physicality and overall speed to match up with a player like Jefferson and that can be exploited by the coordinator. When I think about that, I do believe the Vikings must be studying him now and considering him with one of their first round picks. https://www.nfl.com/prospects/justin-jefferson?id=32194a45-4626-9287-c454-479b942cbd26

Bill Jandro -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (3/29/2020 8:57:41 AM)
IMO the only 2 wr's I'd consider in rd 1 would be Lamb and Jeudy. Both are extremely polished route runners with speed and good hands. wr and qb seem to have a higher 1st rd bust rate than most other positions.

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