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Chris Olson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/11/2020 12:22:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen What is the primary characteristic needed? IMO he doesn't have to be Diggs II. Field stretcher? Possession guy? But embedded in all that is Can he get open? Can he catch? What about route running? This is what I'm wondering...Diggs II would actually be awesome...ha! but I don't think we need a possession guy, Sharpe and Bisi fill that role... Thielen can do it all...so we need a compliment to that, imo A dynamic, quicker guy that can stretch the field, maybe someone who can do returns, is the need I see whoever we get, I hope he has good hands...boy I hate the dropsies

Chris Olson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/11/2020 12:26:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson Unless we trade up for one of the Big 3 (Ruggs, Lamb, Jeudy), the only 1st round WRs for us are probably Jefferson or Reagor. Why not Mims? I would not fault the Vikings for selecting Mims in the first at all. My preference is to trade back from 25 to perhaps Green Bay believe it or not and get picks 30 and 62. We probably have to throw in 105. If not Green Bay maybe the Bengals for 33 and 65. We should be able to get one of those WRs or a great corner at either of those picks plus get another mid day 2 pick as a bonus. I'm loving it. we know how much RS likes first pick of the day...I could see him trying to nab the 33 pick from Cinci if there are a few options we like at the end of the round left when we pick That would be great draft trading at least

Bill Jandro -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/11/2020 1:03:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson Here is one man's corner ranking. It seems that there are ten good ones. CB Rankings: 1. Jeff Okudah 2. CJ Henderson 3. Kristian Fulton 4. Jeff Gladney 5. AJ Terrell 6. Noah Igbinoghene 7. Jaylon Johnson 8. Trevon Diggs 9. Damon Arnette 10. Amik Robertson (Irv Smith, Jr. The Goat on Twitter) Diggs seems like he is sliding out of the 1st rd for some reason. I read the Vikings took him off their board but i imagine the guy was just speculating. There are plenty of good CBs so I don't see how the Vikings could possibly consider Trevon Diggs. He was actively pushing his brother away from the Vikings every step of the way. Bad Blood. Where did you hear that? I remember reading that Trevon said he knows exactly how to shut Stephon down in coverage. Trevon is a big corner and would fit nicely in to our scheme.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/11/2020 1:44:06 PM)
Deandre Hopkins was the "other receiver" at Clemson to Sammy Watkins. His numbers at the combine did not scream at you. He was not the tallest receiver (6'1") or the biggest (214 lbs.) My question is who is this year's version of Hopkins? NFL Network was comparing him to Tee Higgins. Same school. Who do you think is the next Hopkins? http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/deandre-hopkins?id=2540165

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/11/2020 2:26:26 PM)
This guy obviously has spent time watching the video. The blue chippers are still high on his board, but from there his evaluations are all over the place compared to what I've seen elsewhere. What that means to me is that there are going to be some surprises on draft day. Guys going in the first round we had pegged for the second, and conversely guys going in the first round we had pegged for the second. When I think about how many of the greater receivers were not selected until the second round, then I think that his opinions could make sense. Could. How the heck do I know? So for example our guys Reagor and Mims are not first rounders. He is tough on the cornerbacks, too. He is very high on a number of the offensive linemen we like. It all makes me wonder how the Vikings board is stacked. With that in mind I'm looking forward to hearing more from Corey Chavous. He obviously watches the video, too. https://www.pewterreport.com/ledyards-2020-nfl-draft-top-50-big-board/

bohumm -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/11/2020 3:21:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen The article says Vikes fans won't be happy with no OL, but I see this as a 'realistic' draft with subbing out the edge rusher in the third with OL. https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/vikings-sports-illustrated-five-round-mock-draft I agree in that I like the draft as well as any, but also in that it may well be that the Vikings feel better about where they are with OL than the fans/analysts do. There is also a need at safety, either for depth or, if Harris goes, for a starter and depth. As far as I can tell, there are no safeties on the roster other than Smith and Harris. The actual draft may shock/horrify fans.

Tom Sykes -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/11/2020 3:41:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen The article says Vikes fans won't be happy with no OL, but I see this as a 'realistic' draft with subbing out the edge rusher in the third with OL. https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/vikings-sports-illustrated-five-round-mock-draft I agree in that I like the draft as well as any, but also in that it may well be that the Vikings feel better about where they are with OL than the fans/analysts do. There is also a need at safety, either for depth or, if Harris goes, for a starter and depth. As far as I can tell, there are no safeties on the roster other than Smith and Harris. The actual draft may shock/horrify fans. I think your comment is spot on. Given the weird conditions this year, I think its going to be a wild ride with teams differing more widely from the pundits than usual. The more fans obsess over media rankings, the more they'll be disappointed. Prospects with medical concerns like WR Ay-ay-ay-yuck are going to really drop as well.

kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/11/2020 4:58:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson Here is one man's corner ranking. It seems that there are ten good ones. CB Rankings: 1. Jeff Okudah 2. CJ Henderson 3. Kristian Fulton 4. Jeff Gladney 5. AJ Terrell 6. Noah Igbinoghene 7. Jaylon Johnson 8. Trevon Diggs 9. Damon Arnette 10. Amik Robertson (Irv Smith, Jr. The Goat on Twitter) Diggs seems like he is sliding out of the 1st rd for some reason. I read the Vikings took him off their board but i imagine the guy was just speculating. There are plenty of good CBs so I don't see how the Vikings could possibly consider Trevon Diggs. He was actively pushing his brother away from the Vikings every step of the way. Bad Blood. Where did you hear that? I remember reading that Trevon said he knows exactly how to shut Stephon down in coverage. Trevon is a big corner and would fit nicely in to our scheme. I don't remember all the exact details, but he was tweeting along with Stefon and I think gave him the Cardinals jersey they pictured him in. He was definitely a rabble raiser.

kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/11/2020 5:01:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen The article says Vikes fans won't be happy with no OL, but I see this as a 'realistic' draft with subbing out the edge rusher in the third with OL. https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/vikings-sports-illustrated-five-round-mock-draft I agree in that I like the draft as well as any, but also in that it may well be that the Vikings feel better about where they are with OL than the fans/analysts do. There is also a need at safety, either for depth or, if Harris goes, for a starter and depth. As far as I can tell, there are no safeties on the roster other than Smith and Harris. The actual draft may shock/horrify fans. I think your comment is spot on. Given the weird conditions this year, I think its going to be a wild ride with teams differing more widely from the pundits than usual. The more fans obsess over media rankings, the more they'll be disappointed. Prospects with medical concerns like WR Ay-ay-ay-yuck are going to really drop as well. Not much of a medical concern the way I understand it. The recovery time is supposed to be short and the prognosis excellent. If he drops to 58 I would snap him up in a heartbeat.

Tom Sykes -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/11/2020 5:30:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen The article says Vikes fans won't be happy with no OL, but I see this as a 'realistic' draft with subbing out the edge rusher in the third with OL. https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/vikings-sports-illustrated-five-round-mock-draft I agree in that I like the draft as well as any, but also in that it may well be that the Vikings feel better about where they are with OL than the fans/analysts do. There is also a need at safety, either for depth or, if Harris goes, for a starter and depth. As far as I can tell, there are no safeties on the roster other than Smith and Harris. The actual draft may shock/horrify fans. I think your comment is spot on. Given the weird conditions this year, I think its going to be a wild ride with teams differing more widely from the pundits than usual. The more fans obsess over media rankings, the more they'll be disappointed. Prospects with medical concerns like WR Ay-ay-ay-yuck are going to really drop as well. Not much of a medical concern the way I understand it. The recovery time is supposed to be short and the prognosis excellent. If he drops to 58 I would snap him up in a heartbeat. If you have 4-5 guys ranked similarly and one guy had recent core muscle surgery that requires a 4-8 week normal recovery time ... and your medical staff can't check him out before the draft ... its a legitimate concern. I don't think it's a red flag (he gets dinged several rounds) but in a very, very deep class he may very well last to 58. (Fortunately for him, one of the others dudes [Shenault] in the same 2nd tier WR clump had the same surgery in Feb.).

kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/11/2020 5:35:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen The article says Vikes fans won't be happy with no OL, but I see this as a 'realistic' draft with subbing out the edge rusher in the third with OL. https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/vikings-sports-illustrated-five-round-mock-draft I agree in that I like the draft as well as any, but also in that it may well be that the Vikings feel better about where they are with OL than the fans/analysts do. There is also a need at safety, either for depth or, if Harris goes, for a starter and depth. As far as I can tell, there are no safeties on the roster other than Smith and Harris. The actual draft may shock/horrify fans. I think your comment is spot on. Given the weird conditions this year, I think its going to be a wild ride with teams differing more widely from the pundits than usual. The more fans obsess over media rankings, the more they'll be disappointed. Prospects with medical concerns like WR Ay-ay-ay-yuck are going to really drop as well. Not much of a medical concern the way I understand it. The recovery time is supposed to be short and the prognosis excellent. If he drops to 58 I would snap him up in a heartbeat. If you have 4-5 guys ranked similarly and one guy had recent core muscle surgery that requires a 4-8 week normal recovery time ... and your medical staff can't check him out before the draft ... its a legitimate concern. I don't think it's a red flag (he gets dinged several rounds) but in a very, very deep class he may very well last to 58. (Fortunately for him, one of the others dudes [Shenault] in the same 2nd tier WR clump had the same surgery in Feb.). That is exactly what I'm hoping for. I don't think he would last to 58 without the surgery.

kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/11/2020 5:37:23 PM)
Malcolm Perry QB for Navy Rushed for over 2000 yards this year. He's also a dynamic pass receiver. he will be a WR or RB in the NFL. I want him on my Vikings. The highlights are mind blowing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH6i9M2p5oQ

Mark Anderson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/11/2020 5:39:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom Malcolm Perry QB for Navy Rushed for over 2000 yards this year. He's also a dynamic pass receiver. he will be a WR or RB in the NFL. I want him on my Vikings. The highlights are mind blowing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH6i9M2p5oQ 7th or UDFA

kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/11/2020 5:56:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom Malcolm Perry QB for Navy Rushed for over 2000 yards this year. He's also a dynamic pass receiver. he will be a WR or RB in the NFL. I want him on my Vikings. The highlights are mind blowing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH6i9M2p5oQ 7th or UDFA I don't care if he's 5th round or UDFA. I want him on my football team.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/11/2020 9:22:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen The article says Vikes fans won't be happy with no OL, but I see this as a 'realistic' draft with subbing out the edge rusher in the third with OL. https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/vikings-sports-illustrated-five-round-mock-draft I agree in that I like the draft as well as any, but also in that it may well be that the Vikings feel better about where they are with OL than the fans/analysts do. There is also a need at safety, either for depth or, if Harris goes, for a starter and depth. As far as I can tell, there are no safeties on the roster other than Smith and Harris. The actual draft may shock/horrify fans. I think your comment is spot on. Given the weird conditions this year, I think its going to be a wild ride with teams differing more widely from the pundits than usual. The more fans obsess over media rankings, the more they'll be disappointed. Prospects with medical concerns like WR Ay-ay-ay-yuck are going to really drop as well. NM. Material was about NBA draft.

bohumm -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/12/2020 12:22:09 AM)
Today I'm feeling a CB (Gladney?) and Josh Jones OT in the first, and one of Aiyuck, Reagor, Pittman in the second (possible trade-up). That is likely to change five minutes from now, if it hasn't already.....

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/12/2020 7:09:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm Today I'm feeling a CB (Gladney?) and Josh Jones OT in the first, and one of Aiyuck, Reagor, Pittman in the second (possible trade-up). That is likely to change five minutes from now, if it hasn't already..... Maybe there will be an unforeseen event, like a trade for Williams or a trade up or down on day one of the draft. (more likely up, don't you think?) Perhaps a blue chip player may slide. So what I'm saying is that I believe something will happen that none of us could have predicted. That is what I am predicting. [;)] Let me give you an example. The LSU defensive end might be a player that Vikings find a way to select. Zimmer is reportedly frustrated that he's not getting better run defense on first downs from Odenigbo and K’Lavon Chaisson is supposed to be good as a three down DE. I found this: Chaisson is also effective against the run, which means he can be an every down player and not just a pass rush specialist. He has excellent gap discipline and plays with great leverage which allows him to hold his own at the point of attack and cause disruption in the backfield. https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/25/2020-nfl-draft-prospect-lsu-klavon-chaisson/

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/12/2020 7:27:41 AM)
Here is Arif interviewed by Paul Allen if you missed it. I'm listening now. https://www.iheart.com/podcast/139-paul-allen-kfan-fm-1003-26980875/

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/12/2020 7:49:17 AM)
Or get some takes from Charch starting around the 86 minute mark. https://www.iheart.com/podcast/139-paul-allen-kfan-fm-1003-26980875/

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/12/2020 8:16:51 AM)
If you like podcasts (you know you can listen while you do other things) then you might like to listen to Corey Chavous if you missed him. https://www.iheart.com/podcast/139-paul-allen-kfan-fm-1003-26980875/

Bill Johanesen -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/12/2020 8:30:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson Here is one man's corner ranking. It seems that there are ten good ones. CB Rankings: 1. Jeff Okudah 2. CJ Henderson 3. Kristian Fulton 4. Jeff Gladney 5. AJ Terrell 6. Noah Igbinoghene 7. Jaylon Johnson 8. Trevon Diggs 9. Damon Arnette 10. Amik Robertson (Irv Smith, Jr. The Goat on Twitter) Diggs seems like he is sliding out of the 1st rd for some reason. I read the Vikings took him off their board but i imagine the guy was just speculating. There are plenty of good CBs so I don't see how the Vikings could possibly consider Trevon Diggs. He was actively pushing his brother away from the Vikings every step of the way. Bad Blood. Where did you hear that? I remember reading that Trevon said he knows exactly how to shut Stephon down in coverage. Trevon is a big corner and would fit nicely in to our scheme. I don't remember all the exact details, but he was tweeting along with Stefon and I think gave him the Cardinals jersey they pictured him in. He was definitely a rabble raiser. The Vikings will never draft him. He's off the boards. I hope after we pass on him he tumbles way down... let him learn his lesson about interfering in a business by taking a hit in his own pocketbook.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/12/2020 8:34:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm Today I'm feeling a CB (Gladney?) and Josh Jones OT in the first, and one of Aiyuck, Reagor, Pittman in the second (possible trade-up). That is likely to change five minutes from now, if it hasn't already..... Not sure why you are so adamant and locked in on those particular players and positions.

Mark Anderson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/12/2020 8:35:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson Here is one man's corner ranking. It seems that there are ten good ones. CB Rankings: 1. Jeff Okudah 2. CJ Henderson 3. Kristian Fulton 4. Jeff Gladney 5. AJ Terrell 6. Noah Igbinoghene 7. Jaylon Johnson 8. Trevon Diggs 9. Damon Arnette 10. Amik Robertson (Irv Smith, Jr. The Goat on Twitter) Diggs seems like he is sliding out of the 1st rd for some reason. I read the Vikings took him off their board but i imagine the guy was just speculating. There are plenty of good CBs so I don't see how the Vikings could possibly consider Trevon Diggs. He was actively pushing his brother away from the Vikings every step of the way. Bad Blood. Where did you hear that? I remember reading that Trevon said he knows exactly how to shut Stephon down in coverage. Trevon is a big corner and would fit nicely in to our scheme. I don't remember all the exact details, but he was tweeting along with Stefon and I think gave him the Cardinals jersey they pictured him in. He was definitely a rabble raiser. The Vikings will never draft him. He's off the boards. I hope after we pass on him he tumbles way down... let him learn his lesson about interfering in a business by taking a hit in his own pocketbook. Terrell or Fulton. Henderson in a small trade up if possible.

Mark Anderson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/12/2020 8:39:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm Today I'm feeling a CB (Gladney?) and Josh Jones OT in the first, and one of Aiyuck, Reagor, Pittman in the second (possible trade-up). That is likely to change five minutes from now, if it hasn't already..... Maybe there will be an unforeseen event, like a trade for Williams or a trade up or down on day one of the draft. (more likely up, don't you think?) Perhaps a blue chip player may slide. So what I'm saying is that I believe something will happen that none of us could have predicted. That is what I am predicting. [;)] Let me give you an example. The LSU defensive end might be a player that Vikings find a way to select. Zimmer is reportedly frustrated that he's not getting better run defense on first downs from Odenigbo and K’Lavon Chaisson is supposed to be good as a three down DE. I found this: Chaisson is also effective against the run, which means he can be an every down player and not just a pass rush specialist. He has excellent gap discipline and plays with great leverage which allows him to hold his own at the point of attack and cause disruption in the backfield. https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/25/2020-nfl-draft-prospect-lsu-klavon-chaisson/ I know I was beating the drum for him earlier but he really looks like a fit for a 3-4 team. Maybe that is us(sometimes).

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/12/2020 9:04:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm Today I'm feeling a CB (Gladney?) and Josh Jones OT in the first, and one of Aiyuck, Reagor, Pittman in the second (possible trade-up). That is likely to change five minutes from now, if it hasn't already..... Maybe there will be an unforeseen event, like a trade for Williams or a trade up or down on day one of the draft. (more likely up, don't you think?) Perhaps a blue chip player may slide. So what I'm saying is that I believe something will happen that none of us could have predicted. That is what I am predicting. [;)] Let me give you an example. The LSU defensive end might be a player that Vikings find a way to select. Zimmer is reportedly frustrated that he's not getting better run defense on first downs from Odenigbo and K’Lavon Chaisson is supposed to be good as a three down DE. I found this: Chaisson is also effective against the run, which means he can be an every down player and not just a pass rush specialist. He has excellent gap discipline and plays with great leverage which allows him to hold his own at the point of attack and cause disruption in the backfield. https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/25/2020-nfl-draft-prospect-lsu-klavon-chaisson/ I know I was beating the drum for him earlier but he really looks like a fit for a 3-4 team. Maybe that is us(sometimes). We have not taken a defensive lineman in the first round for quite awhile. Patterson has been really good at developing mid to late rounders, but now he is the co-defensive coordinator. So his "fist pounding" may carry more weight for this draft. I don't know. Like I am beginning to say, I don't have a clue. Just I'm speculating.

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