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Bill Johanesen -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/12/2020 9:26:21 AM)
Pros/cons for picking a position early: - CB. Left with unproven types, need three since nickel plays ~ 60% of the snaps, premium position. No reason not to pick a CB early unless convinced Hill and Hughes are the answers. - OL. Need a talent influx, rebuild is incomplete, interior full of questions. However, can a reserve like Samia compete, Bradbury still not a write-off. - DL. Unproven types at RDE, nobody has stepped up a 3 DT after multiple years. However, is Odenibigo ready, platoon with Zettel. No answer at undertackle. - WR. Teams will shut down Theilen as it stands, offense is then one-dimensional. However, we added Sharpe, run-heavy scheme. The 'needs' are going to have to be addressed from reserves and picks (forget FA except for low cost types). So who is on the roster that may be able to compete: - Samia - Odenibigo - Hill/Hughes (presumption is only one is viable plus we still need a nickel) Since we only have a finite number of picks, we take risk at: OL - Samia plus Bradbury improves. DE - Odenibigo CB - Hill or Hughes at one spot DT - Stephen Leaves a clear need at: - WR (high impact need) - CB (2 spots so must address one early) - Then OL and DT. BPA among them at #58. That's the order I'd go with, or double up on CB/WR.

Tom Sykes -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/12/2020 9:53:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm Today I'm feeling a CB (Gladney?) and Josh Jones OT in the first, and one of Aiyuck, Reagor, Pittman in the second (possible trade-up). That is likely to change five minutes from now, if it hasn't already..... Not sure why you are so adamant and locked in on those particular players and positions. There's maybe one or two players each draft that someone somewhere might have predicted before the draft has started. Otherwise, it always turns out weirdly. Plus this year there are so many directions we could go ... LG, RG, WR, DE, CB, CB ... and S depending on what happens with Harris ... should be open to competition from a first or second rd draft pick (everything after the second rd. happens by accident). That's just simply too many slots to find legitimate competition for starters in one draft. (Those are the gaping holes with no 'anointed' starter – that's not even addressing the existing under-performing players that could use an upgrade) It's going to be a swirling globe of crazy draft balls that we pick from.

Tom Sykes -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/12/2020 10:07:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen Pros/cons for picking a position early: - CB. Left with unproven types, need three since nickel plays ~ 60% of the snaps, premium position. No reason not to pick a CB early unless convinced Hill and Hughes are the answers. - OL. Need a talent influx, rebuild is incomplete, interior full of questions. However, can a reserve like Samia compete, Bradbury still not a write-off. - DL. Unproven types at RDE, nobody has stepped up a 3 DT after multiple years. However, is Odenibigo ready, platoon with Zettel. No answer at undertackle. - WR. Teams will shut down Theilen as it stands, offense is then one-dimensional. However, we added Sharpe, run-heavy scheme. The 'needs' are going to have to be addressed from reserves and picks (forget FA except for low cost types). So who is on the roster that may be able to compete: - Samia - Odenibigo - Hill/Hughes (presumption is only one is viable plus we still need a nickel) Since we only have a finite number of picks, we take risk at: OL - Samia plus Bradbury improves. DE - Odenibigo CB - Hill or Hughes at one spot DT - Stephen Leaves a clear need at: - WR (high impact need) - CB (2 spots so must address one early) - Then OL and DT. BPA among them at #58. That's the order I'd go with, or double up on CB/WR. Much better assessment than my above post. We simply don't know what Spiel / Zimm are thinking about the younger players but Odenigbo (who we released like twenty times) is the only presumptive young dude starter that has looked like he could actually produce and not just 'hold up'. Everyone else should have legitimate competition to start .... from a high draft pick or a grizzled veteran still to be added as we go. I personally am not happy with the DT position but I would guess the team may roll with last year's 'prize' FA addition Stephen, this year's 'prize' FA addition Pierce, and the slew of faceless young players still on the team – Watts, Johnson, Ma'tafa (Zimmer and Spielman have both pointed to FAs needing a year sometimes to catch on so maybe Stephen will catch on [even though he was here before].

Tom Sykes -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/12/2020 10:26:24 AM)
What we need are two first and two second rd. picks to come up with a DL, an OL, a CB, and a WR to infuse the roster with bona fide early round talent at its weakest position groups. Of course, then the picks would be need picks ... so what we really need is about 5 first and 5 second rd picks to judiciously (and without the blaspheme of picking by need) come away with BPA picks at DL, OL, CB, and WR.

Mark Anderson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/12/2020 10:29:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen Pros/cons for picking a position early: - CB. Left with unproven types, need three since nickel plays ~ 60% of the snaps, premium position. No reason not to pick a CB early unless convinced Hill and Hughes are the answers. - OL. Need a talent influx, rebuild is incomplete, interior full of questions. However, can a reserve like Samia compete, Bradbury still not a write-off. - DL. Unproven types at RDE, nobody has stepped up a 3 DT after multiple years. However, is Odenibigo ready, platoon with Zettel. No answer at undertackle. - WR. Teams will shut down Theilen as it stands, offense is then one-dimensional. However, we added Sharpe, run-heavy scheme. The 'needs' are going to have to be addressed from reserves and picks (forget FA except for low cost types). So who is on the roster that may be able to compete: - Samia - Odenibigo - Hill/Hughes (presumption is only one is viable plus we still need a nickel) Since we only have a finite number of picks, we take risk at: OL - Samia plus Bradbury improves. DE - Odenibigo CB - Hill or Hughes at one spot DT - Stephen Leaves a clear need at: - WR (high impact need) - CB (2 spots so must address one early) - Then OL and DT. BPA among them at #58. That's the order I'd go with, or double up on CB/WR. Agree with 2 CBs in 1st three rounds. Hughes is a health risk. I think Hill can be borderline Pro Bowler if he doesn't do something knuckleheaded. I would love to see Fulton or Terrell as an outside guy and Robertson to man the nickel.

The Happy Norseman -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/12/2020 11:11:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen Pros/cons for picking a position early: - CB. Left with unproven types, need three since nickel plays ~ 60% of the snaps, premium position. No reason not to pick a CB early unless convinced Hill and Hughes are the answers. - OL. Need a talent influx, rebuild is incomplete, interior full of questions. However, can a reserve like Samia compete, Bradbury still not a write-off. - DL. Unproven types at RDE, nobody has stepped up a 3 DT after multiple years. However, is Odenibigo ready, platoon with Zettel. No answer at undertackle. - WR. Teams will shut down Theilen as it stands, offense is then one-dimensional. However, we added Sharpe, run-heavy scheme. The 'needs' are going to have to be addressed from reserves and picks (forget FA except for low cost types). So who is on the roster that may be able to compete: - Samia - Odenibigo - Hill/Hughes (presumption is only one is viable plus we still need a nickel) Since we only have a finite number of picks, we take risk at: OL - Samia plus Bradbury improves. DE - Odenibigo CB - Hill or Hughes at one spot DT - Stephen Leaves a clear need at: - WR (high impact need) - CB (2 spots so must address one early) - Then OL and DT. BPA among them at #58. That's the order I'd go with, or double up on CB/WR. Agree with 2 CBs in 1st three rounds. Hughes is a health risk. I think Hill can be borderline Pro Bowler if he doesn't do something knuckleheaded. I would love to see Fulton or Terrell as an outside guy and Robertson to man the nickel. I think there’s a 99% chance that Spielman signs a vet FA CB and that he’ll take a CB in the first or second round. I agree that our biggest needs are at CB, DT, OG, WR. The silver lining is that no matter who RS picks in the first 3 rounds those players will be filling a big need. The problem is that we need the players at all 4 positions to come in and make an immediate impact.

bohumm -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/12/2020 11:13:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen Pros/cons for picking a position early: - CB. Left with unproven types, need three since nickel plays ~ 60% of the snaps, premium position. No reason not to pick a CB early unless convinced Hill and Hughes are the answers. - OL. Need a talent influx, rebuild is incomplete, interior full of questions. However, can a reserve like Samia compete, Bradbury still not a write-off. - DL. Unproven types at RDE, nobody has stepped up a 3 DT after multiple years. However, is Odenibigo ready, platoon with Zettel. No answer at undertackle. - WR. Teams will shut down Theilen as it stands, offense is then one-dimensional. However, we added Sharpe, run-heavy scheme. The 'needs' are going to have to be addressed from reserves and picks (forget FA except for low cost types). So who is on the roster that may be able to compete: - Samia - Odenibigo - Hill/Hughes (presumption is only one is viable plus we still need a nickel) Since we only have a finite number of picks, we take risk at: OL - Samia plus Bradbury improves. DE - Odenibigo CB - Hill or Hughes at one spot DT - Stephen Leaves a clear need at: - WR (high impact need) - CB (2 spots so must address one early) - Then OL and DT. BPA among them at #58. That's the order I'd go with, or double up on CB/WR. If I look at it strictly from a "fill holes this season" perspective, this is where I end up, too. Jones at OT factors in if you think he can reach his projected ceiling and you look at a near-term instead of right-now POV. I think the only position that we must take in the first is CB, which is sad considering all the premium draft capital used at that position in the last several years, and I think we should probably take a second one by the third (Amik Robertson, hopefully). I agree that not having a more dynamic WR opposite Theilen, preferably someone who is a deep threat to some degree, will both diminish Theilen's effectiveness and let teams load the box even more than they already will. There is no OL I anticipate to be available at 22/25 who is a clear Day 1 starter outside of maybe Ruiz, who would be a good pick if he can be effective from jump.

Bill Jandro -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/12/2020 12:03:28 PM)
I think Hughes best position would be the slot cb. He will have his quickness back post acl. Hill should be a starting outside cb opposite first rd pick. Pick up a couple more later for depth.

Bill Jandro -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/12/2020 12:06:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm Today I'm feeling a CB (Gladney?) and Josh Jones OT in the first, and one of Aiyuck, Reagor, Pittman in the second (possible trade-up). That is likely to change five minutes from now, if it hasn't already..... Maybe there will be an unforeseen event, like a trade for Williams or a trade up or down on day one of the draft. (more likely up, don't you think?) Perhaps a blue chip player may slide. So what I'm saying is that I believe something will happen that none of us could have predicted. That is what I am predicting. [;)] Let me give you an example. The LSU defensive end might be a player that Vikings find a way to select. Zimmer is reportedly frustrated that he's not getting better run defense on first downs from Odenigbo and K’Lavon Chaisson is supposed to be good as a three down DE. I found this: Chaisson is also effective against the run, which means he can be an every down player and not just a pass rush specialist. He has excellent gap discipline and plays with great leverage which allows him to hold his own at the point of attack and cause disruption in the backfield. https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/25/2020-nfl-draft-prospect-lsu-klavon-chaisson/ I know I was beating the drum for him earlier but he really looks like a fit for a 3-4 team. Maybe that is us(sometimes). We have not taken a defensive lineman in the first round for quite awhile. Patterson has been really good at developing mid to late rounders, but now he is the co-defensive coordinator. So his "fist pounding" may carry more weight for this draft. I don't know. Like I am beginning to say, I don't have a clue. Just I'm speculating. He's had a lot to work with though. -Inherited Grif in his prime -Linval Hungary -Sheldon Richardson -Michael Pierce -A freak in Hunter

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/12/2020 1:23:50 PM)
I am hearing this receiver to be taken in the second or third round might have the best hands. https://www.nfl.com/prospects/devin-duvernay?id=32194455-5645-9005-cfce-f0b0bb8205b8

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/12/2020 1:27:59 PM)
And the receiver who may be the best YAC receiver in the draft is someone you probably haven't heard of. https://www.nfl.com/prospects/antonio-gibson?id=32194749-4241-5285-a215-d633ff9a6f70

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/12/2020 1:32:16 PM)
If you want speed in the receiver spot and are selecting on day 2or 3, this may be the guy. https://www.nfl.com/prospects/john-hightower?id=32194849-4777-2208-dbaa-36c5bd7d164f

Bill Johanesen -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/12/2020 1:44:41 PM)
Manning of need positions if the season started tomorrow with grades relative to each other: G - Elf - D G- Samia/whoever - I WR - Sharpe - B DT - Stephen - A DE - Odenibigo - C CB - Hughes - B- CB - Hill - D (lost edge with no PE drugs?) CB - Boyd/Fields - I Assumes they roll with Bradbury Assumes Harris is signed at S How about for first three rounds: CB WR OG CB OG or DT boom/bust type

unome -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/12/2020 1:54:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes What we need are two first and two second rd. picks to come up with a DL, an OL, a CB, and a WR to infuse the roster with bona fide early round talent at its weakest position groups. Of course, then the picks would be need picks ... so what we really need is about 5 first and 5 second rd picks to judiciously (and without the blaspheme of picking by need) come away with BPA picks at DL, OL, CB, and WR. Wouldn't that just be easier with 10 First Rounders?

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/12/2020 3:54:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: unome quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes What we need are two first and two second rd. picks to come up with a DL, an OL, a CB, and a WR to infuse the roster with bona fide early round talent at its weakest position groups. Of course, then the picks would be need picks ... so what we really need is about 5 first and 5 second rd picks to judiciously (and without the blaspheme of picking by need) come away with BPA picks at DL, OL, CB, and WR. Wouldn't that just be easier with 10 First Rounders? Or trading back and being lucky enough to get a first round value in the second.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/12/2020 4:09:02 PM)
The wide receiver draft is so deep that we could do this. Amazing. https://climbingthepocket.com/2020/04/12/what-if-the-vikings-waited-until-day-3-for-wide-receiver/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Tom Sykes -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/12/2020 4:09:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: unome quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes What we need are two first and two second rd. picks to come up with a DL, an OL, a CB, and a WR to infuse the roster with bona fide early round talent at its weakest position groups. Of course, then the picks would be need picks ... so what we really need is about 5 first and 5 second rd picks to judiciously (and without the blaspheme of picking by need) come away with BPA picks at DL, OL, CB, and WR. Wouldn't that just be easier with 10 First Rounders? Yes. In the frivolous draft bubble I created floating out in space ... to mock draft mocking.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/12/2020 4:23:18 PM)
7 round mock with trades. It's like reading a science fiction book. https://www.si.com/.amp-vikings/nfl/vikings/news/vikings-seven-round-nfl-mock-draft-with-trades?__twitter_impression=true

unome -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/12/2020 6:10:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: unome quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes What we need are two first and two second rd. picks to come up with a DL, an OL, a CB, and a WR to infuse the roster with bona fide early round talent at its weakest position groups. Of course, then the picks would be need picks ... so what we really need is about 5 first and 5 second rd picks to judiciously (and without the blaspheme of picking by need) come away with BPA picks at DL, OL, CB, and WR. Wouldn't that just be easier with 10 First Rounders? Yes. In the frivolous draft bubble I created floating out in space ... to mock draft mocking. I took your frivolous draft bubble and made it bigger. Mocking draft mocking. I like it.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/12/2020 7:53:41 PM)
If you want to know who will be on the board when it's the Vikings turn to select at #22, this will help. https://twitter.com/KevinBrownNFL/status/1249454695355015168/photo/1

kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/12/2020 9:20:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson The wide receiver draft is so deep that we could do this. Amazing. https://climbingthepocket.com/2020/04/12/what-if-the-vikings-waited-until-day-3-for-wide-receiver/amp/?__twitter_impression=true None of those receivers inspire me.

kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/12/2020 9:25:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson 7 round mock with trades. It's like reading a science fiction book. https://www.si.com/.amp-vikings/nfl/vikings/news/vikings-seven-round-nfl-mock-draft-with-trades?__twitter_impression=true If that were to happen I would be happy with it.

thebigo -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/13/2020 1:04:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm Today I'm feeling a CB (Gladney?) and Josh Jones OT in the first, and one of Aiyuck, Reagor, Pittman in the second (possible trade-up). That is likely to change five minutes from now, if it hasn't already..... Maybe there will be an unforeseen event, like a trade for Williams or a trade up or down on day one of the draft. (more likely up, don't you think?) Perhaps a blue chip player may slide. So what I'm saying is that I believe something will happen that none of us could have predicted. That is what I am predicting. [;)] Let me give you an example. The LSU defensive end might be a player that Vikings find a way to select. Zimmer is reportedly frustrated that he's not getting better run defense on first downs from Odenigbo and K’Lavon Chaisson is supposed to be good as a three down DE. I found this: Chaisson is also effective against the run, which means he can be an every down player and not just a pass rush specialist. He has excellent gap discipline and plays with great leverage which allows him to hold his own at the point of attack and cause disruption in the backfield. https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/25/2020-nfl-draft-prospect-lsu-klavon-chaisson/ I know I was beating the drum for him earlier but he really looks like a fit for a 3-4 team. Maybe that is us(sometimes). We have not taken a defensive lineman in the first round for quite awhile. Patterson has been really good at developing mid to late rounders, but now he is the co-defensive coordinator. So his "fist pounding" may carry more weight for this draft. I don't know. Like I am beginning to say, I don't have a clue. Just I'm speculating. He's had a lot to work with though. -Inherited Grif in his prime -Linval Hungary -Sheldon Richardson -Michael Pierce -A freak in Hunter Actually Griffin started to hit his prime in Patterson's first year here.

Phil Riewer -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/13/2020 8:05:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom Malcolm Perry QB for Navy Rushed for over 2000 yards this year. He's also a dynamic pass receiver. he will be a WR or RB in the NFL. I want him on my Vikings. The highlights are mind blowing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH6i9M2p5oQ 7th or UDFA Jerick McKinnon?

Bill Jandro -> RE: NFL Draft 2020 (4/13/2020 8:16:40 AM)
Top CB Draft Prospects: Completion % when targeted 2019 (Lower = Better) Trevon Diggs: 42% Kristian Fulton: 44% Jaylon Johnson: 45% Damon Arnette: 45% Jeff Okudah: 46% Jeff Gladney: 46% Cam Dantzler: 48% Bryce Hall: 50% Noah Igbinoghene: 51% AJ Terrell: 52% CJ Henderson: 54% 64 5:49 PM - Apr 5, 2020

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