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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

KG I give up already. [:-]

OK. Be a quitter.

I really don't get why you wanted to argue with me in the first place when I 90% agreed with you. Must I toe the line and be a full fledged homer for Jefferson? I like him, but he's not perfect.

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I just love the tumult that the packer's drafting Love creates in that organization...

I love how annoyed (at the least) Rodgers must be right now...

or is he livid, apoplectic, and completely unhinged?
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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

KG I give up already. [:-]

OK. Be a quitter.

I really don't get why you wanted to argue with me in the first place when I 90% agreed with you. Must I toe the line and be a full fledged homer for Jefferson? I like him, but he's not perfect.

You don't listen to reason....why bother?

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

KG I give up already. [:-]

OK. Be a quitter.

I really don't get why you wanted to argue with me in the first place when I 90% agreed with you. Must I toe the line and be a full fledged homer for Jefferson? I like him, but he's not perfect.

You don't listen to reason....why bother?

It's like you say something and I'm supposed to go oh yeah you're right and I was wrong. I already agreed with most of your thinking, but you require that I agree with 100% of your thinking. Not going to happen whether you think it's good reasoning or not. You're not listening to my reasoning. You have a problem with me not being 100% thrilled with the pick of Jefferson. I like him, but not blindly optimistic.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

KG I give up already. [:-]

OK. Be a quitter.

I really don't get why you wanted to argue with me in the first place when I 90% agreed with you. Must I toe the line and be a full fledged homer for Jefferson? I like him, but he's not perfect.

You don't listen to reason....why bother?

It's like you say something and I'm supposed to go oh yeah you're right and I was wrong. I already agreed with most of your thinking, but you require that I agree with 100% of your thinking. Not going to happen whether you think it's good reasoning or not. You're not listening to my reasoning. You have a problem with me not being 100% thrilled with the pick of Jefferson. I like him, but not blindly optimistic.

It isn't blindly optimistic. Read back on your posts:

KG: We drafted a slot wr/we have one....I respond Thielen isn't only a slot.
KG: He is too small/slender....I respond he is the same build and speed as Thielen.

Optimistic is if I say he can replace Diggs. I don't recall saying that; in fact I have stated we should draft another WR. He was the best WR available and we picked one of the two CB I liked. Draft Challenge be damned; I don't care who you wanted. They grabbed value at their spot.

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What about G though?

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What about G though?

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Packers draft was a bit puzzling. Maybe it's just me, but I see Aaron Rodgers playing quarterback for a few more years. I like Love, but Rodgers is one of the smartest and most accurate quarterbacks in the game. I thought they had a ton of needs they didn't address. Quarterback is not their problem, and hasn't been for over 25 years.

The Packers may have decided that they are closer to moving on from the diva than people realize.

Apparently so. That, or he is going to have a huge chip on his shoulder in 2020 and play his ass off.

Can he get out of his contract and ask for a trade?

Rodgers to the Patriots?

Dead cap hits of 51M this year and 31M next year.

2022 he still has a dead cap hit of 17M and a 39M cap hit overall.

2023 he only has a 3M dead cap hit (but still a 28M salary).

Seems like he might be hard to move...

Then drafting Love is all the more puzzling to me. Rodgers is absolutely unmovable for three years. Year 4 they can only release him for no compensation. They burned a 4th round pick to move up in the first round and take a flier on a 3 year backup QB, who is considered to be a project. This, despite the fact that they are a playoff team that could have legitimately addressed needs with the picks they used up on Love.

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Justin Jefferson said he can play equally well in slot and on the outside. "I've been playing outside all my life until last year.''

This comment by Jeff Gladney will make #Vikings coach Mike Zimmer feel good. He said of his TCU tenure, "I knew the playbook like the back of my hand.''

CB draftee Jeff Gladney said he's the "perfect fit" for the #Vikings and wants to make Mike Zimmer "proud'' of drafting him.

CB Jeff Gladney thought he was going to get drafted by the #Vikings at No. 22 or 25. When the Vikings traded the No. 25 pick, he said he got a little bit "antsy" but still thought he might be drafted by them.

#Vikings coach Mike Zimmer said Jeff Gladney is similar to some CBs he has had but didn't want to offer specific comparisons. When I asked him if Terence Newman is a good comparison, he at least said, "Maybe.''

Mike Zimmer on Packers drafting Jordan Love “I think Rodgers should retire.”

#Vikings No. 31 pick Jeff Gladney will get an estimated four-year, $10.99 million salary, including a $5.55 million signing bonus, and to have a 2020 cap number of $1.99 million. He will have a fifth-year contract option.

(Chris Tomasson on Twitter)

Regarding that last quote, I am wondering how much trading back for Gladney impacted the salary cap for the Vikings.

Justin can claim this all he wants, but he barely played outside at all in 19 and when they put him outside in 18 he very much struggled comparatively.

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If we trade for Williams we could restructure Reiff and move him to G. If not, grab a couple in later rounds. We NEED more CB’s. Hughes has not made it through a full season injury-wise and Hill is one toke away from a season long suspension. We could also use another WR as we were still missing that 3rd guy last year before we traded Diggs so, while he has been replaced, we are still thin at that position IMO.

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Re: Rodgers. Don't know if people have noticed, but he's not that good anymore.

Don't get me wrong, still a top 10, but not a real difference maker like he once was. That team last year, got to where they were based on being a full team and their defense.
I think they see decline in his play and within 2 years, could be out for a much younger, cheaper QB
He's had a lot of accuracy issues lately. I think injuries have added up for him.

Man, Rick likes to spend his early picks lately on the outside. Personally, believe we should be spending early resources on the lines, but it is what it is.

Not sure really what to think of Jefferson, personally, believe we could have gotten an equivalent talent much later, but late 1st is always tough, almost everyone has warts at that point.
I think he is being slightly overrated. He played in spread offense with lots of weapons and a great QB.
I wouldn't use his college production as an indicator for how he'll do in the pros.

What worries me most is he not overly big and physical, which is where a guy like Michael Thomas makes up for his lack of speed. Could see him having issues getting open.

Seems most services say he's a high floor, low ceiling guy, which I guess is fine. probably a safe #2 type.

Also his role in this run first offense will be completely differnet than LSU's pass happy scheme.

Rodgers has plenty left if Devante is healthy. They will get another weapon....should have grabbed one already.

Jefferson is a Thielen clone. 4.43, runs good routes, can play slot and outside. Lots of weapons now on Vikes.

Phil, it's not that he doesn't have anything left, it's a matter of whether he's worth the money at this point of his career.
I think it was the home game, he kept us in the game with his terrible accuracy. he was all over the place.
I think they see the writing on the wall with him, and may be better to cut bait soon.

Arlowe I hate the Pack...but who outside of Adams and Rodgers is any good? Their TEs and WRs are horrible outside of Adams.

That GM and Coach better hope WRs and TEs continue to drop.

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With the #Browns now out of the mix, the #Vikings remain in pursuit of #Redskins LT Trent Williams, according to @CourtneyRCronin

The #Vikings had previously offered a Day 3 pick to Washington last week but the #Redskins want more.

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What about G though?

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

I just love the tumult that the packer's drafting Love creates in that organization...

I love how annoyed (at the least) Rodgers must be right now...

or is he livid, apoplectic, and completely unhinged?
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Oh man you can count on this reverberating through the bowels of that organization as we speak.

Drafting Brett Huntley in the 5th round to develop behind Rodgers is one thing, drafting Jordan Love in the first round is completely different, and Rodgers (The ultimate narcissist/ egomaniac) is going to freak the hell out. Just imagine how pissed he gets after each incompletion, shaking his head, waiving his arms calling out his receivers who always seem to run the wrong route. 🙄

To Rodgers point they certainly need receiving, OLine, and defensive help up the middle, and in an essence squandered any of that picking Love.

I’m shocked they did this, upsetting the apple cart that Rodgers pushes the narrative the whole organization with...

Good times!!!!!

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With the #Browns now out of the mix, the #Vikings remain in pursuit of #Redskins LT Trent Williams, according to @CourtneyRCronin

The #Vikings had previously offered a Day 3 pick to Washington last week but the #Redskins want more.

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What about G though?

I think a trade for Thuney makes more sense than trading for Williams...

Reiff is still solid if not great...we need interior line...

if we could trade for Thuney...not sure for what, but that helps the line tremendously...

Maybe a multi team trade where Harris goes somewhere and our compensation for him gives us fodder for the Thuney trade

Just running ideas...

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If we trade for Williams we could restructure Reiff and move him to G. If not, grab a couple in later rounds. We NEED more CB’s. Hughes has not made it through a full season injury-wise and Hill is one toke away from a season long suspension. We could also use another WR as we were still missing that 3rd guy last year before we traded Diggs so, while he has been replaced, we are still thin at that position IMO.

Hill is not one toke away from a season long suspension. New CBA took care of that. Sign Kirkpatrick to a cheap deal after the draft. Pick a developmental guy later in the draft and I think we are good with Gladney/Hill/Hughes/Boyd/Kirkpatrick/Developmental guy. Kirkpatrick also a connection to the Vikes DB coach.

I like the idea of OLine/DT and the best of Shinn (S), burner WR in the second and third rounds.

Go get em!

EDIT: Not only good but a big upgrade over last year's CB group.