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Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/18/2020 9:31:01 AM)
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Let’s be clear, this makes the team immediately worse.
Trader Rick taking a big gamble, in what was already likely his last year
Needs to rebuild secondary, oline, dline and now WR
Wow this could be a loooong year
You hit the nail on the head.
Cant argue that at this time, this team got weaker because of this move, but I prefer to wait and see how it all shakes out before declaring it a poor move. I can't even imagine how the locker room would have been had Diggs stayed after the antics he showed these past couple of weeks. He had to go, no question, he made it crystal clear he wanted out, Rick had to get the best he could and I'm glad he got want he got.
We will see how it shakes out, but good things can happen without Diggs on the team, lets not forget, he had a number of drops in the past couple years and fumbles. He is good, but his attitude makes him drop down the top receiver list.
With or without Diggs, OL play and restocking the defense are most likely going to drive the success or failure of this season – compared to last year.
Thielen is a stud. You do not need two top ten WRs to generate an effective passing game that is set up off of the run game.
As you stated, its not like we gambled on trading an asset ... we traded an asset out of necessity. We'll move forward.
That is true.
But you better have at least 2 starting caliber WRs. Its obviously early, but right now our passing game looks like it will hurt the running game more than be built off of it.
I absolutely agree, its too early to say. That we'll be fine, or in my opinion, that all we have is Thielen.
Well ... let me restate that, you can say all we have is Thielen but why bother ... what we have right now has little to do with the WR position that we'll take into the season. It just isn't.
That is definitely hopeful thinking.
I just worry because we've been awful at targeting WRs under Spielman when we really need them - in the draft, free agency or trade.
Diggs and Thelen were amazing finds, but when you get them in the 5th round and undrafted, that screams luck more than anything. If he knew they'd be anywhere near as good as they are, we'd have taken them much sooner.
Do you really think we are going into next season with Thielen, Johnson, Beebe, Hollins, Davis? That's unrealistic IMO.
It's hopeful for me to expect something much MORE improved than that – I will give you that – because we just don't know who we will be adding to the mix.
As far as Spielman's track record ... yes, I agree and I stated yesterday that, to not convert some of the extra draft picks into veteran help (via trade / RFA tender etc) would be foolish, because all drafting is hit and miss and we are not in building mode - we are in sustaining what we had last year to improve this year mode.
Of course I don't think that, nor have I ever implied it.
My point is its easy to say we'll upgrade the position, but historically, its been difficult for us to do - especially when we've been "backed into a corner".
Trading Diggs creates another massive hole this team absolutely has to fill. And if we end up with another Treadwell or Doctson type of player, we're in really big trouble.
Well ... when I said the position will obviously change from what it is now, you said that 'that was wishful thinking'. Again, I have no idea what our WRs will look like to start season.
Maybe you thought that I implied that the change would automatically be an upgrade somehow ... to what? An upgrade to Diggs / Thielen? To Thielen / freakin' Bisi Johnson as the starters?
Given Treadwell, Patterson, Mitchell, Coley, Adams, Bohringer, Childs, etc. – draft expectations should be very low.
However, pointing to the failures above as proof of Spielman's incompetence while dismissing Thielen / Diggs as pure luck doesn't work for me either. Very very lucky yes but Thielen Diggs count on the balance sheet. They weren't forced on us. We invested in them when no one else did.
Am I confidant that we'll be fine without Diggs? No. Is Spielman incapable of finding a good WR? No.
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