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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

Another thing of note in WR talk...

In 2018 Thielen had like 5 100 yard games to start the season... Then Diggs got pissy and hurt and missed some games and Thielen's game dropped severly. Extreme drop in production where he had like only one more 100 yard game that season.

Without Diggs both the running game and production of our ONLY GOOD WR Thielen will be changed dramaticly.

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Josh Allen, Stefon Diggs' new QB, is the worst deep passer in the NFL. He hit 15 of 59 attempts last season. 25.4%

(QB Datamine on Twitter)

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

Another thing of note in WR talk...

In 2018 Thielen had like 5 100 yard games to start the season... Then Diggs got pissy and hurt and missed some games and Thielen's game dropped severly. Extreme drop in production where he had like only one more 100 yard game that season.

Without Diggs both the running game and production of our ONLY GOOD WR Thielen will be changed dramaticly.

This is true and that is why I say getting at least one more good WR is as important as improving the OL. It has to be done.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

Another thing of note in WR talk...

In 2018 Thielen had like 5 100 yard games to start the season... Then Diggs got pissy and hurt and missed some games and Thielen's game dropped severly. Extreme drop in production where he had like only one more 100 yard game that season.

Without Diggs both the running game and production of our ONLY GOOD WR Thielen will be changed dramaticly.

This is true and that is why I say getting at least one more good WR is as important as improving the OL. It has to be done.

We will get it done.

Kubiak had two WRs with over 1100 yards when Denver won the SB.

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

Another thing of note in WR talk...

In 2018 Thielen had like 5 100 yard games to start the season... Then Diggs got pissy and hurt and missed some games and Thielen's game dropped severly. Extreme drop in production where he had like only one more 100 yard game that season.

Without Diggs both the running game and production of our ONLY GOOD WR Thielen will be changed dramaticly.

This is true and that is why I say getting at least one more good WR is as important as improving the OL. It has to be done.

We will get it done.

Kubiak had two WRs with over 1100 yards when Denver won the SB.

Take a deeper dive into the stat lines for WR game that year... they were like 29th in TDs.

Honestly it was their number one ranked Defense that got it done coupled with broken down but very smart on field general Manning willing them to wins after getting healthy at end of season and replacing Brock Oswieler.

I guess you could say if Kubiaks system made Brock look competent that we are in ok shape, but that discounts our offensive line woes as well as huge hole at WR.

And our D has even larger holes that will be held togther with duct tape and bailing wire this year... we are not the Denver D that allwed Kubiak to play his game on O.

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

Another thing of note in WR talk...

In 2018 Thielen had like 5 100 yard games to start the season... Then Diggs got pissy and hurt and missed some games and Thielen's game dropped severly. Extreme drop in production where he had like only one more 100 yard game that season.

Without Diggs both the running game and production of our ONLY GOOD WR Thielen will be changed dramaticly.

This is true and that is why I say getting at least one more good WR is as important as improving the OL. It has to be done.

We will get it done.

Kubiak had two WRs with over 1100 yards when Denver won the SB.

Take a deeper dive into the stat lines for WR game that year... they were like 29th in TDs.

Honestly it was their number one ranked Defense that got it done coupled with broken down but very smart on field general Manning willing them to wins after getting healthy at end of season and replacing Brock Oswieler.

I guess you could say if Kubiaks system made Brock look competent that we are in ok shape, but that discounts our offensive line woes as well as huge hole at WR.

And our D has even larger holes that will be held togther with duct tape and bailing wire this year... we are not the Denver D that allwed Kubiak to play his game on O.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Josh Allen, Stefon Diggs' new QB, is the worst deep passer in the NFL. He hit 15 of 59 attempts last season. 25.4%

(QB Datamine on Twitter)

With Diggs that percentage will increase.

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Josh Allen, Stefon Diggs' new QB, is the worst deep passer in the NFL. He hit 15 of 59 attempts last season. 25.4%

(QB Datamine on Twitter)

With Diggs that percentage will increase.

That may explain why the paid such a generous price to get him.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

Another thing of note in WR talk...

In 2018 Thielen had like 5 100 yard games to start the season... Then Diggs got pissy and hurt and missed some games and Thielen's game dropped severly. Extreme drop in production where he had like only one more 100 yard game that season.

Without Diggs both the running game and production of our ONLY GOOD WR Thielen will be changed dramaticly.

This is true and that is why I say getting at least one more good WR is as important as improving the OL. It has to be done.

We will get it done.

Kubiak had two WRs with over 1100 yards when Denver won the SB.

Take a deeper dive into the stat lines for WR game that year... they were like 29th in TDs.

Honestly it was their number one ranked Defense that got it done coupled with broken down but very smart on field general Manning willing them to wins after getting healthy at end of season and replacing Brock Oswieler.

I guess you could say if Kubiaks system made Brock look competent that we are in ok shape, but that discounts our offensive line woes as well as huge hole at WR.

And our D has even larger holes that will be held togther with duct tape and bailing wire this year... we are not the Denver D that allwed Kubiak to play his game on O.

?? Odin, Wilson, Hunter, Kendricks, Barr, Smith, Harris? No talent and bailing wire? We haven't even reached the end of the first wave of FA.

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

Another thing of note in WR talk...

In 2018 Thielen had like 5 100 yard games to start the season... Then Diggs got pissy and hurt and missed some games and Thielen's game dropped severly. Extreme drop in production where he had like only one more 100 yard game that season.

Without Diggs both the running game and production of our ONLY GOOD WR Thielen will be changed dramaticly.

This is true and that is why I say getting at least one more good WR is as important as improving the OL. It has to be done.

We will get it done.

Kubiak had two WRs with over 1100 yards when Denver won the SB.

Take a deeper dive into the stat lines for WR game that year... they were like 29th in TDs.

Honestly it was their number one ranked Defense that got it done coupled with broken down but very smart on field general Manning willing them to wins after getting healthy at end of season and replacing Brock Oswieler.

I guess you could say if Kubiaks system made Brock look competent that we are in ok shape, but that discounts our offensive line woes as well as huge hole at WR.

And our D has even larger holes that will be held togther with duct tape and bailing wire this year... we are not the Denver D that allwed Kubiak to play his game on O.

?? Odin, Wilson, Hunter, Kendricks, Barr, Smith, Harris? No talent and bailing wire? We haven't even reached the end of the first wave of FA.

NEVER SAID NO TALENT

But we have serious holes and more so are NOT the D the Denver Broncos had in Kubiaks SB win... That was my point, we are not the D that we fielded just a few years ago at our peak and we will be FAR FAR from what Phillips and the Broncos put on field in 2015 to support Manning and the Kubiak run offensive schemes.

Cant myself wait to see what mastermind Zimmer does with his young and less star filled D this year... my guess either Dom Capers will be a magician or a scapegoat in all...

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

Another thing of note in WR talk...

In 2018 Thielen had like 5 100 yard games to start the season... Then Diggs got pissy and hurt and missed some games and Thielen's game dropped severly. Extreme drop in production where he had like only one more 100 yard game that season.

Without Diggs both the running game and production of our ONLY GOOD WR Thielen will be changed dramaticly.

This is true and that is why I say getting at least one more good WR is as important as improving the OL. It has to be done.

We will get it done.

Kubiak had two WRs with over 1100 yards when Denver won the SB.

Take a deeper dive into the stat lines for WR game that year... they were like 29th in TDs.

Honestly it was their number one ranked Defense that got it done coupled with broken down but very smart on field general Manning willing them to wins after getting healthy at end of season and replacing Brock Oswieler.

I guess you could say if Kubiaks system made Brock look competent that we are in ok shape, but that discounts our offensive line woes as well as huge hole at WR.

And our D has even larger holes that will be held togther with duct tape and bailing wire this year... we are not the Denver D that allwed Kubiak to play his game on O.

?? Odin, Wilson, Hunter, Kendricks, Barr, Smith, Harris? No talent and bailing wire? We haven't even reached the end of the first wave of FA.

NEVER SAID NO TALENT

But we have serious holes and more so are NOT the D the Denver Broncos had in Kubiaks SB win... That was my point, we are not the D that we fielded just a few years ago at our peak and we will be FAR FAR from what Phillips and the Broncos put on field in 2015 to support Manning and the Kubiak run offensive schemes.

Cant myself wait to see what mastermind Zimmer does with his young and less star filled D this year... my guess either Dom Capers will be a magician or a scapegoat in all...

I have seen Zimmer get the DB playing top notch with 3 safeties and Sendejo playing Slot Corner. I am grateful Rhodes is gone actually.....I think Zimmer can get better production out of Boyd or bailing wire.

Smith, Kendricks, Hunter are all Pro Bowlers.....would you have rather kept Rhodes and Joseph at their prices.....Griffen might be back too.

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

Another thing of note in WR talk...

In 2018 Thielen had like 5 100 yard games to start the season... Then Diggs got pissy and hurt and missed some games and Thielen's game dropped severly. Extreme drop in production where he had like only one more 100 yard game that season.

Without Diggs both the running game and production of our ONLY GOOD WR Thielen will be changed dramaticly.

This is true and that is why I say getting at least one more good WR is as important as improving the OL. It has to be done.

We will get it done.

Kubiak had two WRs with over 1100 yards when Denver won the SB.

Take a deeper dive into the stat lines for WR game that year... they were like 29th in TDs.

Honestly it was their number one ranked Defense that got it done coupled with broken down but very smart on field general Manning willing them to wins after getting healthy at end of season and replacing Brock Oswieler.

I guess you could say if Kubiaks system made Brock look competent that we are in ok shape, but that discounts our offensive line woes as well as huge hole at WR.

And our D has even larger holes that will be held togther with duct tape and bailing wire this year... we are not the Denver D that allwed Kubiak to play his game on O.

?? Odin, Wilson, Hunter, Kendricks, Barr, Smith, Harris? No talent and bailing wire? We haven't even reached the end of the first wave of FA.

NEVER SAID NO TALENT

But we have serious holes and more so are NOT the D the Denver Broncos had in Kubiaks SB win... That was my point, we are not the D that we fielded just a few years ago at our peak and we will be FAR FAR from what Phillips and the Broncos put on field in 2015 to support Manning and the Kubiak run offensive schemes.

Cant myself wait to see what mastermind Zimmer does with his young and less star filled D this year... my guess either Dom Capers will be a magician or a scapegoat in all...

I have seen Zimmer get the DB playing top notch with 3 safeties and Sendejo playing Slot Corner. I am grateful Rhodes is gone actually.....I think Zimmer can get better production out of Boyd or bailing wire.

Smith, Kendricks, Hunter are all Pro Bowlers.....would you have rather kept Rhodes and Joseph at their prices.....Griffen might be back too.

Wanted no part of Rhodes, Joseph or Griffen... and Harris is all but gone, just trade bait to tag him temp.

All this talk of what Zimmer has done with smoke and mirrors and what Kubiak did in Denver is wishful thinking...

Without the horses the plow doesnt get pulled, the field goes unfurled and there are no crops. Doesnt matter how smart the farmer is or how he had huge yeilds previous years.

How can we forget Denny Green and his D trotting out a 5'9 Robert Tate and company... YOU MUST HAVE THE HORSES...

In todays game two of the most important positions that put points on board or take them off are WR and DB... We are woefully lacking at both and slammed up against cap to plug in capable alternatives. We will hope for thorobreds from the draft, but know Spiels pedigree in eval.

But hey, WE HAVE KIRK COUSINS locked up for couple more years to push a bunch more dead cap money into our future...

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

Another thing of note in WR talk...

In 2018 Thielen had like 5 100 yard games to start the season... Then Diggs got pissy and hurt and missed some games and Thielen's game dropped severly. Extreme drop in production where he had like only one more 100 yard game that season.

Without Diggs both the running game and production of our ONLY GOOD WR Thielen will be changed dramaticly.

Have to wonder how much more gas Theilen has in the tank

I think we definitely need an explosive guy across from him. You know like Diggs...

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ORIGINAL: joejitsu

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Josh Allen, Stefon Diggs' new QB, is the worst deep passer in the NFL. He hit 15 of 59 attempts last season. 25.4%

(QB Datamine on Twitter)

With Diggs that percentage will increase.

That may explain why the paid such a generous price to get him.

One thing about allen is that he can sling the heck out of the ball. Diggs will be running 9 routes until he passes out!

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ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

Well Ragnarok, stay tuned because it is only a short time when there will be ten or twelve $30 million dollar QB's in the league and that is just the way it goes. Cousins is a top ten QB in this league, actually probably somewhere around top 6 or 7, but that's semantics, point is, the Vikings have a good QB and need to sure up the offensive line to make this offensive scheme be a viable weapon. Yes or should I say YES, to emphasize the importance, Diggs being gone creates a need. I'm pretty sure all of our football personnel realize what kind of talent they lost in Diggs, but that guy wanted out of Minnesota and they got a good haul for the former 5th rounder. He's gone, and there needs to be a replacement at that spot, I'm sure it will happen, but I doubt this guy will be better than Diggs. Lets just hope he's good, to very good, that's all that will be required in this scheme.

As for our defense, it was built for a run three years ago. In case we missed it, the Vikings were supposed to win it all sometime during the past three years but didn't get it done. Someone posted that the Vikings defense had like 8 players making over $10 million, some ridiculous stat like that and still no championship. Hmmm, wonder whats missing!?!

We have seen teams win the SB with defense, last year we saw a team do it with offense, it's very rare in the NFL for a team to have a top offense and a top defense, maybe top ten for both, but not elite for both. It looks to me like the Vikings are trying to balance this out a little bit since their vaunted defense is getting long in the tooth and didn't bring the trophy home. This team is going to try to contend on both sides of the ball, but isn't going to pound any of the really good teams. I'm hoping this is Zimmers last season as head coach of the Vikings. He's a solid coach, just not in touch with today's 7 on 7 NFL. All of the coaching staff we have are solid coaches, but most of them have seen their era of the game go by.

(P.S. I am also one of those guys that has seen his favorite NFL era go by. Not loving it, just is what it is.)

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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Ben Goessling@GoesslingStrib
From July 2017-March 2019, the Vikings’ ambitious plan to keep their own players involved contracts for Everson Griffen, Xavier Rhodes, Linval Joseph, Eric Kendricks, Danielle Hunter, Stefon Diggs and Anthony Barr. At the moment, three of those seven players are on the roster.

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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Ben Goessling@GoesslingStrib
From July 2017-March 2019, the Vikings’ ambitious plan to keep their own players involved contracts for Everson Griffen, Xavier Rhodes, Linval Joseph, Eric Kendricks, Danielle Hunter, Stefon Diggs and Anthony Barr. At the moment, three of those seven players are on the roster.

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ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

Another thing of note in WR talk...

In 2018 Thielen had like 5 100 yard games to start the season... Then Diggs got pissy and hurt and missed some games and Thielen's game dropped severly. Extreme drop in production where he had like only one more 100 yard game that season.

Without Diggs both the running game and production of our ONLY GOOD WR Thielen will be changed dramaticly.

Have to wonder how much more gas Theilen has in the tank

I think we definitely need an explosive guy across from him. You know like Diggs...

Mims!

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

Another thing of note in WR talk...

In 2018 Thielen had like 5 100 yard games to start the season... Then Diggs got pissy and hurt and missed some games and Thielen's game dropped severly. Extreme drop in production where he had like only one more 100 yard game that season.

Without Diggs both the running game and production of our ONLY GOOD WR Thielen will be changed dramaticly.

This is true and that is why I say getting at least one more good WR is as important as improving the OL. It has to be done.

We will get it done.

Kubiak had two WRs with over 1100 yards when Denver won the SB.

Take a deeper dive into the stat lines for WR game that year... they were like 29th in TDs.

Honestly it was their number one ranked Defense that got it done coupled with broken down but very smart on field general Manning willing them to wins after getting healthy at end of season and replacing Brock Oswieler.

I guess you could say if Kubiaks system made Brock look competent that we are in ok shape, but that discounts our offensive line woes as well as huge hole at WR.

And our D has even larger holes that will be held togther with duct tape and bailing wire this year... we are not the Denver D that allwed Kubiak to play his game on O.

?? Odin, Wilson, Hunter, Kendricks, Barr, Smith, Harris? No talent and bailing wire? We haven't even reached the end of the first wave of FA.

NEVER SAID NO TALENT

But we have serious holes and more so are NOT the D the Denver Broncos had in Kubiaks SB win... That was my point, we are not the D that we fielded just a few years ago at our peak and we will be FAR FAR from what Phillips and the Broncos put on field in 2015 to support Manning and the Kubiak run offensive schemes.

Cant myself wait to see what mastermind Zimmer does with his young and less star filled D this year... my guess either Dom Capers will be a magician or a scapegoat in all...

I have seen Zimmer get the DB playing top notch with 3 safeties and Sendejo playing Slot Corner. I am grateful Rhodes is gone actually.....I think Zimmer can get better production out of Boyd or bailing wire.

Smith, Kendricks, Hunter are all Pro Bowlers.....would you have rather kept Rhodes and Joseph at their prices.....Griffen might be back too.

Wanted no part of Rhodes, Joseph or Griffen... and Harris is all but gone, just trade bait to tag him temp.

All this talk of what Zimmer has done with smoke and mirrors and what Kubiak did in Denver is wishful thinking...

Without the horses the plow doesnt get pulled, the field goes unfurled and there are no crops. Doesnt matter how smart the farmer is or how he had huge yeilds previous years.

How can we forget Denny Green and his D trotting out a 5'9 Robert Tate and company... YOU MUST HAVE THE HORSES...

In todays game two of the most important positions that put points on board or take them off are WR and DB... We are woefully lacking at both and slammed up against cap to plug in capable alternatives. We will hope for thorobreds from the draft, but know Spiels pedigree in eval.

But hey, WE HAVE KIRK COUSINS locked up for couple more years to push a bunch more dead cap money into our future...

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ORIGINAL: Ragnarök

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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Ben Goessling@GoesslingStrib
From July 2017-March 2019, the Vikings’ ambitious plan to keep their own players involved contracts for Everson Griffen, Xavier Rhodes, Linval Joseph, Eric Kendricks, Danielle Hunter, Stefon Diggs and Anthony Barr. At the moment, three of those seven players are on the roster.

Could have almost scratched Barr as well, maybe really should have with his now backloaded cap hits and real lack of use in percieved strengths. As well as will add Rudy, though he may be huge piece of what we do on offense now this year.

Amazing how quickly rosters can change and key pieces become too expensive or fall off map in production and become expendable in just couple years...

Ever more important to get high yields on players we did invest in like Rudy and Barr, hoping Capers has some input on using Barr more in a hybrid 3-4 at times...

There is talent on this team just up to Spiels to find some players to fill holes and Zimm and company to get most out of what we are left with... 9 and 7 feels very attainable...