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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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I wonder why Reiff is still on the team. Maybe we were just trying to trick him into a pay cut and he called our bluff.

I think you are seeing a bit of this going on right now. With COVID and the potential for the season to be canceled, it would seem that players have lost a bit of leverage. I.e...Leonard Fornette.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

I wonder why Reiff is still on the team. Maybe we were just trying to trick him into a pay cut and he called our bluff.

I think you are seeing a bit of this going on right now. With COVID and the potential for the season to be canceled, it would seem that players have lost a bit of leverage. I.e...Leonard Fornette.

With or w/o Covid Reiff didn't have leverage....he was overpaid.

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Just because Riley Reiff is accepting the paycut, doesn't mean he's going to be happy about it. He's pro's pro. But that will be a situation to watch.

John Krawczynski on Twitter

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

I wonder why Reiff is still on the team. Maybe we were just trying to trick him into a pay cut and he called our bluff.

I think you are seeing a bit of this going on right now. With COVID and the potential for the season to be canceled, it would seem that players have lost a bit of leverage. I.e...Leonard Fornette.

With or w/o Covid Reiff didn't have leverage....he was overpaid.

And he sucks.

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Seven #Vikings players make ESPN's 2020 Top 100 (including newly-acquired Yannick Ngakoue coming in at #68) — tied with the Chiefs and Saints for most in the NFL

Nick Olson on Twitter

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

I wonder why Reiff is still on the team. Maybe we were just trying to trick him into a pay cut and he called our bluff.

I think you are seeing a bit of this going on right now. With COVID and the potential for the season to be canceled, it would seem that players have lost a bit of leverage. I.e...Leonard Fornette.

With or w/o Covid Reiff didn't have leverage....he was overpaid.

And he sucks.

I think he is slightly above average....13th-15th best OT (when healthy)....what should that pay?

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

I wonder why Reiff is still on the team. Maybe we were just trying to trick him into a pay cut and he called our bluff.

I think you are seeing a bit of this going on right now. With COVID and the potential for the season to be canceled, it would seem that players have lost a bit of leverage. I.e...Leonard Fornette.

With or w/o Covid Reiff didn't have leverage....he was overpaid.

And he sucks.

I think he is slightly above average....13th-15th best OT (when healthy)....what should that pay?

I think you are overly generous in your assessment of Reiff.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Joe Mixon just got a 4/48 extension with the Bengals.

Probably a decent comp to Cook (other than games played).

Cook: 3 years, 29 games, 457/2104/17, 4.6 Y/A. 104/914/2, 8.8 Y/R
Mixon: 3 years, 44 games, 693/2931/17, 4.2 Y/A. 108/870/4, 8.1 Y/R

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The highlights of the offense I’ve seen with O’Neill at LT only show Rashod Hill at RT.

Add in Dozier, and Elflein at Guards takes quite a bit of sheen off the acquisition of Ngakoue for me.

Hope I’m wrong, but even at the heights of Zimmer’s defenses in Minnesota we eventually were taken down by the collapse of our OLine in the playoffs.

Was hoping at least ONE of our young OLineman would emerge, and that we could acquire another solid veteran to complete a rebuild on the fly.

Not seeing it.

Dozier and Elf would have been at guard regardless of Yannick's acquisition. We had 12M in cap before the move and not a whisper of trying out guards or signing a vet. Massively disappointing that Samia hasn't seemed to take a step forward and Udoh not given play at G.

The real question: is the drop off from Reiff (if there is one) and the overall T play worth Yannick? T might be our deepest position. Our D line had real question marks. Ifeadi was productive inside and now we've got three strong edge rushers.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H
I think you are seeing a bit of this going on right now. With COVID and the potential for the season to be canceled, it would seem that players have lost a bit of leverage. I.e...Leonard Fornette.

With or w/o Covid Reiff didn't have leverage....he was overpaid.

And he sucks.

I think he is slightly above average....13th-15th best OT (when healthy)....what should that pay?

I think you are overly generous in your assessment of Reiff.

I do mean LT....not all (Left and Right) tackles.

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

The highlights of the offense I’ve seen with O’Neill at LT only show Rashod Hill at RT.

Add in Dozier, and Elflein at Guards takes quite a bit of sheen off the acquisition of Ngakoue for me.

Hope I’m wrong, but even at the heights of Zimmer’s defenses in Minnesota we eventually were taken down by the collapse of our OLine in the playoffs.

Was hoping at least ONE of our young OLineman would emerge, and that we could acquire another solid veteran to complete a rebuild on the fly.

Not seeing it.

Dozier and Elf would have been at guard regardless of Yannick's acquisition. We had 12M in cap before the move and not a whisper of trying out guards or signing a vet. Massively disappointing that Samia hasn't seemed to take a step forward and Udoh not given play at G.

The real question: is the drop off from Reiff (if there is one) and the overall T play worth Yannick? T might be our deepest position. Our D line had real question marks. Ifeadi was productive inside and now we've got three strong edge rushers.

Perhaps worded poorly,
Going after a stud like Ngakoue when we put so little towards an obvious hole in our roster is disappointing to me.
Yes we filled a hole on the DLine for sure. Need the D-tackles to step up, but I feel good with our overall defense as it stands.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

The highlights of the offense I’ve seen with O’Neill at LT only show Rashod Hill at RT.

Add in Dozier, and Elflein at Guards takes quite a bit of sheen off the acquisition of Ngakoue for me.

Hope I’m wrong, but even at the heights of Zimmer’s defenses in Minnesota we eventually were taken down by the collapse of our OLine in the playoffs.

Was hoping at least ONE of our young OLineman would emerge, and that we could acquire another solid veteran to complete a rebuild on the fly.

Not seeing it.

Dozier and Elf would have been at guard regardless of Yannick's acquisition. We had 12M in cap before the move and not a whisper of trying out guards or signing a vet. Massively disappointing that Samia hasn't seemed to take a step forward and Udoh not given play at G.

The real question: is the drop off from Reiff (if there is one) and the overall T play worth Yannick? T might be our deepest position. Our D line had real question marks. Ifeadi was productive inside and now we've got three strong edge rushers.

Perhaps worded poorly,
Going after a stud like Ngakoue when we put so little towards an obvious hole in our roster is disappointing to me.
Yes we filled a hole on the DLine for sure. Need the D-tackles to step up, but I feel good with our overall defense as it stands.

Depending on the number I might be more disappointed with restructure of Reiff than a cut....I think there will be an OG out there that could help. Gives us a little more time to get Cleveland/Udoh acclimated somewhere....

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

The highlights of the offense I’ve seen with O’Neill at LT only show Rashod Hill at RT.

Add in Dozier, and Elflein at Guards takes quite a bit of sheen off the acquisition of Ngakoue for me.

Hope I’m wrong, but even at the heights of Zimmer’s defenses in Minnesota we eventually were taken down by the collapse of our OLine in the playoffs.

Was hoping at least ONE of our young OLineman would emerge, and that we could acquire another solid veteran to complete a rebuild on the fly.

Not seeing it.

Dozier and Elf would have been at guard regardless of Yannick's acquisition. We had 12M in cap before the move and not a whisper of trying out guards or signing a vet. Massively disappointing that Samia hasn't seemed to take a step forward and Udoh not given play at G.

The real question: is the drop off from Reiff (if there is one) and the overall T play worth Yannick? T might be our deepest position. Our D line had real question marks. Ifeadi was productive inside and now we've got three strong edge rushers.

Perhaps worded poorly,
Going after a stud like Ngakoue when we put so little towards an obvious hole in our roster is disappointing to me.
Yes we filled a hole on the DLine for sure. Need the D-tackles to step up, but I feel good with our overall defense as it stands.

Depending on the number I might be more disappointed with restructure of Reiff than a cut....I think there will be an OG out there that could help. Gives us a little more time to get Cleveland/Udoh acclimated somewhere....

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

The highlights of the offense I’ve seen with O’Neill at LT only show Rashod Hill at RT.

Add in Dozier, and Elflein at Guards takes quite a bit of sheen off the acquisition of Ngakoue for me.

Hope I’m wrong, but even at the heights of Zimmer’s defenses in Minnesota we eventually were taken down by the collapse of our OLine in the playoffs.

Was hoping at least ONE of our young OLineman would emerge, and that we could acquire another solid veteran to complete a rebuild on the fly.

Not seeing it.

Dozier and Elf would have been at guard regardless of Yannick's acquisition. We had 12M in cap before the move and not a whisper of trying out guards or signing a vet. Massively disappointing that Samia hasn't seemed to take a step forward and Udoh not given play at G.

The real question: is the drop off from Reiff (if there is one) and the overall T play worth Yannick? T might be our deepest position. Our D line had real question marks. Ifeadi was productive inside and now we've got three strong edge rushers.

Perhaps worded poorly,
Going after a stud like Ngakoue when we put so little towards an obvious hole in our roster is disappointing to me.
Yes we filled a hole on the DLine for sure. Need the D-tackles to step up, but I feel good with our overall defense as it stands.

Depending on the number I might be more disappointed with restructure of Reiff than a cut....I think there will be an OG out there that could help. Gives us a little more time to get Cleveland/Udoh acclimated somewhere....

The only downside is that we aren't going to find out if O'Neill can be as good at LT as he is at RT, and if Udoh can be a stud at RT. Going into GB starting 4 players at different positions than they played last year, or in the case of Udoh barely played at all, and a Center who underperformed could have been grim. At least we're starting the season with the 5 olineman who have been working together in training camp.

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Mixon: 2,931 yards 4.3 yards per carry 66 yards per game 21 TD's 44 games

Cook: 2,104 yards 4.6 yards per carry 72 yards per game 19 TD's 29 games

The thing that stands out to me are the number of games that Cook has missed. Otherwise he seems to be just slightly more productive. Not a lot, though.

Edit: Sorry. I'm repeating comments again.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Mixon: 2,931 yards 4.3 yards per carry 66 yards per game 21 TD's 44 games

Cook: 2,104 yards 4.6 yards per carry 72 yards per game 19 TD's 29 games

The thing that stands out to me are the number of games that Cook has missed. Otherwise he seems to be just slightly more productive. Not a lot, though.

Edit: Sorry. I'm repeating comments again.

I wouldn't have given Mixon that much money either.

But I don't like paying RBs. Most of them fall off the cliff at some point - and generally much earlier than other positions. Look at guys like David Johnson or Fornette who both looked like the "next big thing" in recent years.

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Just because Riley Reiff is accepting the paycut, doesn't mean he's going to be happy about it. He's pro's pro. But that will be a situation to watch.

John Krawczynski on Twitter

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Mixon: 2,931 yards 4.3 yards per carry 66 yards per game 21 TD's 44 games

Cook: 2,104 yards 4.6 yards per carry 72 yards per game 19 TD's 29 games

The thing that stands out to me are the number of games that Cook has missed. Otherwise he seems to be just slightly more productive. Not a lot, though.

Edit: Sorry. I'm repeating comments again.

I wouldn't have given Mixon that much money either.

But I don't like paying RBs. Most of them fall off the cliff at some point - and generally much earlier than other positions. Look at guys like David Johnson or Fornette who both looked like the "next big thing" in recent years.

I agree. I was initially supportive of Adrian Peterson getting big bucks, but then I backed off from even him getting the big pay day. He was indeed worth the money for much of his career, but certainly not maybe the last four years with the Vikings.