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David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/1/2020 5:42:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Pager And the other side of an unhappy RB After missing practices the last few days, the #Saints are open to trading RB Alvin Kamara, according to @JosinaAnderson. Oh boy.... Hmmm.. That's a bit surprising. He's a pretty dynamic rb. 81 catches 3 years straight He's holding out and wants a massive contract. 15ml I read I think the Saints are in bad shape cap wise already. But Kamara is similar to CMC and is a good route runner. Kamara is great. He's out performed both guys drafted ahead of him. Cook: 3 years, 29 games, 457/2104/17, 4.6 Y/A. 104/914/2, 8.8 Y/R Mixon: 3 years, 44 games, 693/2931/17, 4.2 Y/A. 108/870/4, 8.1 Y/R Kamara: 3 years, 45 games, 485/2408/27, 5.0 Y/A. 243/2068/10, 8.5 Y/R To get a better picture, total yards: Cook: 561 Touches, 3018 yards, 5.4 Y/Tch, 19 TDs. Mixon: 801 Touches, 3801 yards, 4.7 Y/Tch, 21 TDs. Kamara: 728 Touches, 4476 yards, 6.4 Y/Tch, 37 TDs.

Pager -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/1/2020 5:52:04 PM)
So strange a restructure hasn't been finalized/announced.

Pager -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/1/2020 5:53:57 PM)
Market probably for ONeill Rapoport reported the deal tacks on four new years to Decker's existing contract that is set to pay him $10.35 million in 2020, meaning the following four years are worth $60 million.

thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/1/2020 5:55:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Pager Market probably for ONeill Rapoport reported the deal tacks on four new years to Decker's existing contract that is set to pay him $10.35 million in 2020, meaning the following four years are worth $60 million. He's gonna have to move to LT.

kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/1/2020 6:12:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Pager And the other side of an unhappy RB After missing practices the last few days, the #Saints are open to trading RB Alvin Kamara, according to @JosinaAnderson. Oh boy.... Hmmm.. That's a bit surprising. He's a pretty dynamic rb. 81 catches 3 years straight He's holding out and wants a massive contract. 15ml I read I think the Saints are in bad shape cap wise already. But Kamara is similar to CMC and is a good route runner. Kamara is great. He's out performed both guys drafted ahead of him. Cook: 3 years, 29 games, 457/2104/17, 4.6 Y/A. 104/914/2, 8.8 Y/R Mixon: 3 years, 44 games, 693/2931/17, 4.2 Y/A. 108/870/4, 8.1 Y/R Kamara: 3 years, 45 games, 485/2408/27, 5.0 Y/A. 243/2068/10, 8.5 Y/R To get a better picture, total yards: Cook: 561 Touches, 3018 yards, 5.4 Y/Tch, 19 TDs. Mixon: 801 Touches, 3801 yards, 4.7 Y/Tch, 21 TDs. Kamara: 728 Touches, 4476 yards, 6.4 Y/Tch, 37 TDs. Is it possible that being a part of the Saints all world offense might help him a little. I know it goes the other way also, but most RBs would do better in New Orleans than just about anywhere else. I don't think he's a better back than Cook.

Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/1/2020 6:17:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Pager And the other side of an unhappy RB After missing practices the last few days, the #Saints are open to trading RB Alvin Kamara, according to @JosinaAnderson. Oh boy.... Hmmm.. That's a bit surprising. He's a pretty dynamic rb. 81 catches 3 years straight He's holding out and wants a massive contract. 15ml I read I think the Saints are in bad shape cap wise already. But Kamara is similar to CMC and is a good route runner. Kamara is great. He's out performed both guys drafted ahead of him. Cook: 3 years, 29 games, 457/2104/17, 4.6 Y/A. 104/914/2, 8.8 Y/R Mixon: 3 years, 44 games, 693/2931/17, 4.2 Y/A. 108/870/4, 8.1 Y/R Kamara: 3 years, 45 games, 485/2408/27, 5.0 Y/A. 243/2068/10, 8.5 Y/R To get a better picture, total yards: Cook: 561 Touches, 3018 yards, 5.4 Y/Tch, 19 TDs. Mixon: 801 Touches, 3801 yards, 4.7 Y/Tch, 21 TDs. Kamara: 728 Touches, 4476 yards, 6.4 Y/Tch, 37 TDs. Is it possible that being a part of the Saints all world offense might help him a little. I know it goes the other way also, but most RBs would do better in New Orleans than just about anywhere else. I don't think he's a better back than Cook. Kamara is a better back than Cook. Just my opinion. Both are very good.

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/1/2020 6:24:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Pager And the other side of an unhappy RB After missing practices the last few days, the #Saints are open to trading RB Alvin Kamara, according to @JosinaAnderson. Oh boy.... Hmmm.. That's a bit surprising. He's a pretty dynamic rb. 81 catches 3 years straight He's holding out and wants a massive contract. 15ml I read I think the Saints are in bad shape cap wise already. But Kamara is similar to CMC and is a good route runner. Kamara is great. He's out performed both guys drafted ahead of him. Cook: 3 years, 29 games, 457/2104/17, 4.6 Y/A. 104/914/2, 8.8 Y/R Mixon: 3 years, 44 games, 693/2931/17, 4.2 Y/A. 108/870/4, 8.1 Y/R Kamara: 3 years, 45 games, 485/2408/27, 5.0 Y/A. 243/2068/10, 8.5 Y/R To get a better picture, total yards: Cook: 561 Touches, 3018 yards, 5.4 Y/Tch, 19 TDs. Mixon: 801 Touches, 3801 yards, 4.7 Y/Tch, 21 TDs. Kamara: 728 Touches, 4476 yards, 6.4 Y/Tch, 37 TDs. Is it possible that being a part of the Saints all world offense might help him a little. I know it goes the other way also, but most RBs would do better in New Orleans than just about anywhere else. I don't think he's a better back than Cook. Kamara is a better back than Cook. Just my opinion. Both are very good. Agreed. From a pure talent standpoint, I'd rate them Kamara, Cook, Mixon. But you also have to figure in durability. Cook has played almost a full season less than the other two. And while he managed to only miss 2 games this year, once he got dinged, he was never the same.

The Happy Norseman -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/1/2020 6:27:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Pager And the other side of an unhappy RB After missing practices the last few days, the #Saints are open to trading RB Alvin Kamara, according to @JosinaAnderson. Oh boy.... Hmmm.. That's a bit surprising. He's a pretty dynamic rb. 81 catches 3 years straight He's holding out and wants a massive contract. 15ml I read I think the Saints are in bad shape cap wise already. But Kamara is similar to CMC and is a good route runner. Kamara is great. He's out performed both guys drafted ahead of him. Cook: 3 years, 29 games, 457/2104/17, 4.6 Y/A. 104/914/2, 8.8 Y/R Mixon: 3 years, 44 games, 693/2931/17, 4.2 Y/A. 108/870/4, 8.1 Y/R Kamara: 3 years, 45 games, 485/2408/27, 5.0 Y/A. 243/2068/10, 8.5 Y/R To get a better picture, total yards: Cook: 561 Touches, 3018 yards, 5.4 Y/Tch, 19 TDs. Mixon: 801 Touches, 3801 yards, 4.7 Y/Tch, 21 TDs. Kamara: 728 Touches, 4476 yards, 6.4 Y/Tch, 37 TDs. Is it possible that being a part of the Saints all world offense might help him a little. I know it goes the other way also, but most RBs would do better in New Orleans than just about anywhere else. I don't think he's a better back than Cook. Kamara is a better back than Cook. Just my opinion. Both are very good. I hate to say it but I think Trader Rick killed two birds with one stone when he used up the cap to sign Ngakoue. It prevents Cook from trying to sit out, or like Mixon, suddenly develop "migranes" and be unable to play, in order to force a new deal before next year when so many quality RB's are scheduled to become FA's.

kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/1/2020 6:28:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Pager And the other side of an unhappy RB After missing practices the last few days, the #Saints are open to trading RB Alvin Kamara, according to @JosinaAnderson. Oh boy.... Hmmm.. That's a bit surprising. He's a pretty dynamic rb. 81 catches 3 years straight He's holding out and wants a massive contract. 15ml I read I think the Saints are in bad shape cap wise already. But Kamara is similar to CMC and is a good route runner. Kamara is great. He's out performed both guys drafted ahead of him. Cook: 3 years, 29 games, 457/2104/17, 4.6 Y/A. 104/914/2, 8.8 Y/R Mixon: 3 years, 44 games, 693/2931/17, 4.2 Y/A. 108/870/4, 8.1 Y/R Kamara: 3 years, 45 games, 485/2408/27, 5.0 Y/A. 243/2068/10, 8.5 Y/R To get a better picture, total yards: Cook: 561 Touches, 3018 yards, 5.4 Y/Tch, 19 TDs. Mixon: 801 Touches, 3801 yards, 4.7 Y/Tch, 21 TDs. Kamara: 728 Touches, 4476 yards, 6.4 Y/Tch, 37 TDs. Is it possible that being a part of the Saints all world offense might help him a little. I know it goes the other way also, but most RBs would do better in New Orleans than just about anywhere else. I don't think he's a better back than Cook. Kamara is a better back than Cook. Just my opinion. Both are very good. Agreed. From a pure talent standpoint, I'd rate them Kamara, Cook, Mixon. But you also have to figure in durability. Cook has played almost a full season less than the other two. And while he managed to only miss 2 games this year, once he got dinged, he was never the same. We disagree. Cook definitely the most talented. So far Durability is not on his side, but this year Kamara or Mixon could easily get injured and miss the whole season while Cook plays all 16. I've seen that kind of turnaround many time. Karl-Anthony Towns this last season for example.

Pager -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/1/2020 10:50:31 PM)
I'd have to give the system edge to Kamara, better oline, better talent at all levels. I also think Cook is much better between the tackles offsetting a slight gap where Kamara is better in the passing game. Article on the piss poor planning on the OL. https://www.dailynorseman.com/2020/9/1/21417456/vikings-ol-this-is-the-plan Unless we saved a bunch from Reiff, and our line is markedly better from last year (27th pass pro), I'm gonna be b******* all season about this.

Pager -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/1/2020 11:06:50 PM)
Mixon Details: Full details on the #Bengals deal for RB Joe Mixon’s 4-year, $48M deal: — $10M signing bonus. $1.3M base in 2020. — $8M base in 2021. — $8M in 2022. — $9.4M in 2023. — Club option for $9.6M in 2024. — $500K each year in playtime and $200K offseason workout bonus each year. We'd have to backload a little more and 3M in incentives would have to be upped to 8-12M. Only 19M guarantted.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/1/2020 11:10:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Pager I'd have to give the system edge to Kamara, better oline, better talent at all levels. I also think Cook is much better between the tackles offsetting a slight gap where Kamara is better in the passing game. Article on the piss poor planning on the OL. https://www.dailynorseman.com/2020/9/1/21417456/vikings-ol-this-is-the-plan Unless we saved a bunch from Reiff, and our line is markedly better from last year (27th pass pro), I'm gonna be b******* all season about this. Ludford still negative on the o-line, but perhaps positive on the d-line now.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/1/2020 11:23:37 PM)
Been hearing reports that Tyler Johnson is REALLY struggling in Tampa Bay. Seems like he’s in the roster bubble right now. There may be a homecoming in order. Jared Hardness NFL on Twitter

bohumm -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/1/2020 11:43:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson Been hearing reports that Tyler Johnson is REALLY struggling in Tampa Bay. Seems like he’s in the roster bubble right now. There may be a homecoming in order. Jared Hardness NFL on Twitter Or he just might not be that good. He looked really good at the U when I saw him, but maybe that's his high end. The Big Ten defenses are traditionally not that good. Hopefully he won't be another Treadwell.....

thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/2/2020 1:23:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Pager Mixon Details: Full details on the #Bengals deal for RB Joe Mixon’s 4-year, $48M deal: — $10M signing bonus. $1.3M base in 2020. — $8M base in 2021. — $8M in 2022. — $9.4M in 2023. — Club option for $9.6M in 2024. — $500K each year in playtime and $200K offseason workout bonus each year. We'd have to backload a little more and 3M in incentives would have to be upped to 8-12M. Only 19M guarantted. Not sure how that adds up to 48 million for four years

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/2/2020 1:44:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: Pager Mixon Details: Full details on the #Bengals deal for RB Joe Mixon’s 4-year, $48M deal: — $10M signing bonus. $1.3M base in 2020. — $8M base in 2021. — $8M in 2022. — $9.4M in 2023. — Club option for $9.6M in 2024. — $500K each year in playtime and $200K offseason workout bonus each year. We'd have to backload a little more and 3M in incentives would have to be upped to 8-12M. Only 19M guarantted. Not sure how that adds up to 48 million for four years Mixon's deal? 10M Signing bonus 8M in 2021 8M in 2022 9.4M in 2023 9.6M in 2024 2M Playtime bonus 800K workout bonus --------------------- 47.8M Seems close enough to call 48.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/2/2020 4:18:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson Been hearing reports that Tyler Johnson is REALLY struggling in Tampa Bay. Seems like he’s in the roster bubble right now. There may be a homecoming in order. Jared Hardness NFL on Twitter Or he just might not be that good. He looked really good at the U when I saw him, but maybe that's his high end. The Big Ten defenses are traditionally not that good. Hopefully he won't be another Treadwell..... He was a bit of a two trick pony. He ran the inside slant and nobody seemed to be able to stop it in college and he also was a contested catch guy. He wasn't the fastest and he didn't run anywhere close to the full route tree. I actually was hoping that the Vikings wouldn't select him. I wanted speed, but I might have been ok with a value pick- you know, somebody rated as a second or third rounder in the fourth round.

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/2/2020 8:37:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Pager I'd have to give the system edge to Kamara, better oline, better talent at all levels. I also think Cook is much better between the tackles offsetting a slight gap where Kamara is better in the passing game. Article on the piss poor planning on the OL. https://www.dailynorseman.com/2020/9/1/21417456/vikings-ol-this-is-the-plan Unless we saved a bunch from Reiff, and our line is markedly better from last year (27th pass pro), I'm gonna be b******* all season about this. Article is pretty spot on. I see no plan at all just knee jerk front office moves and coachspeak about these "so called" open competitions. In pass pro Dozier was dead last 81 out 81 qualifying G's. Elf 75. I think perhaps some off season focus should have been placed on upgrading the G position. We were given lip speak that we could fill the positions in house...same old same old Instead we upgrade the DE position and about throw the oline into chaos 12 days before the opener. Again not seeing a plan here. Just a regime treating this unit as if it has no importance.

Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/2/2020 8:44:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Pager I'd have to give the system edge to Kamara, better oline, better talent at all levels. I also think Cook is much better between the tackles offsetting a slight gap where Kamara is better in the passing game. Article on the piss poor planning on the OL. https://www.dailynorseman.com/2020/9/1/21417456/vikings-ol-this-is-the-plan Unless we saved a bunch from Reiff, and our line is markedly better from last year (27th pass pro), I'm gonna be b******* all season about this. Article is pretty spot on. I see no plan at all just knee jerk front office moves and coachspeak about these "so called" open competitions. In pass pro Dozier was dead last 81 out 81 qualifying G's. Elf 75. I think perhaps some off season focus should have been placed on upgrading the G position. We were given lip speak that we could fill the positions in house...same old same old Instead we upgrade the DE position and about throw the oline into chaos 12 days before the opener. Again not seeing a plan here. Just a regime treating this unit as if it has no importance. And a quarterback that throws the ball up for grabs or consistently fumbles when pressured.

Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/2/2020 8:46:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Pager I'd have to give the system edge to Kamara, better oline, better talent at all levels. I also think Cook is much better between the tackles offsetting a slight gap where Kamara is better in the passing game. Article on the piss poor planning on the OL. https://www.dailynorseman.com/2020/9/1/21417456/vikings-ol-this-is-the-plan Unless we saved a bunch from Reiff, and our line is markedly better from last year (27th pass pro), I'm gonna be b******* all season about this. Kamara has made the Pro Bowl in his first three seasons in the league. Two of those seasons he shared the backfield with Mark Ingram.

kevinemmer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/2/2020 8:58:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Pager I'd have to give the system edge to Kamara, better oline, better talent at all levels. I also think Cook is much better between the tackles offsetting a slight gap where Kamara is better in the passing game. Article on the piss poor planning on the OL. https://www.dailynorseman.com/2020/9/1/21417456/vikings-ol-this-is-the-plan Unless we saved a bunch from Reiff, and our line is markedly better from last year (27th pass pro), I'm gonna be b******* all season about this. What a fiasco. Bush-league management (IMO). Dennison should have been let go at the end of last year after that farce (again, IMO).

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/2/2020 9:07:23 AM)
The oline actually appears to look worse than last years unit which got manhandled by the likes of Chi, GB, and SF dlines. Any improvement by Bradbury will most likely be off set by the Kline to Dozier downgrade. If Bradbury doesn't improve this IOL may well be a grease fire of 2018 proportions. I have no illusions of this team contending rolling out this kind of talent on the oline on a yearly basis. The weak link continues....

Guest -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/2/2020 9:35:54 AM)
I guess the best way to say it for me would anybody be happy if moments after our team was vanquished by the 49ers largely because our OLine got completely destroyed by the 9er DLine that our big move to improve this giant hole in the roster would be to move our worst OLineman to RG, and move his backup in to start at LG? Pretty insane on its face...

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/2/2020 9:40:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kurt bilben I guess the best way to say it for me would anybody be happy if moments after our team was vanquished by the 49ers largely because our OLine got completely destroyed by the 9er DLine that our big move to improve this giant hole in the roster would be to move our worst OLineman to RG, and move his backup in to start at LG? Pretty insane on its face... Add in the fact that we invested heavily in a qb that requires protection to be successful.

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/2/2020 10:00:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kurt bilben I guess the best way to say it for me would anybody be happy if moments after our team was vanquished by the 49ers largely because our OLine got completely destroyed by the 9er DLine that our big move to improve this giant hole in the roster would be to move our worst OLineman to RG, and move his backup in to start at LG? Pretty insane on its face... Udoh is the key imo. Superior athlete. Size and strength to dominate. Coaches need to earn their $$$.

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