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Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/16/2020 11:27:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro If there is only one year left on OBJs deal no way am i giving up a 2 and a 5 for a one year rental According to sportrac, OBJ is signed thru 2023. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/odell-beckham-jr-14421/ 14,500,000 in 2021 13,750,000 in 2022 and 2023 There is no cap hit if we release him after 2021 but as you say, a #2 and #5 is tall cotton for a one year rental.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/16/2020 12:20:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro If there is only one year left on OBJs deal no way am i giving up a 2 and a 5 for a one year rental According to sportrac, OBJ is signed thru 2023. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/odell-beckham-jr-14421/ 14,500,000 in 2021 13,750,000 in 2022 and 2023 There is no cap hit if we release him after 2021 but as you say, a #2 and #5 is tall cotton for a one year rental. yes, but we can trade him after 2020 - so there's some value in ownership...also, it's $15.75m, $15m and $15m - you have to include roster and workout bonuses....

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/16/2020 1:02:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro If there is only one year left on OBJs deal no way am i giving up a 2 and a 5 for a one year rental According to sportrac, OBJ is signed thru 2023. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/odell-beckham-jr-14421/ 14,500,000 in 2021 13,750,000 in 2022 and 2023 There is no cap hit if we release him after 2021 but as you say, a #2 and #5 is tall cotton for a one year rental. yes, but we can trade him after 2020 - so there's some value in ownership...also, it's $15.75m, $15m and $15m - you have to include roster and workout bonuses.... Cleveland got him for the 17th overall pick and a 3rd round pick (#96). After one year they trade him to the Viking for a 2nd and 5th. If he wears out his welcome here and we want to trade him after a year, what do think the return would be at that point?

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/16/2020 1:16:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro If there is only one year left on OBJs deal no way am i giving up a 2 and a 5 for a one year rental According to sportrac, OBJ is signed thru 2023. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/odell-beckham-jr-14421/ 14,500,000 in 2021 13,750,000 in 2022 and 2023 There is no cap hit if we release him after 2021 but as you say, a #2 and #5 is tall cotton for a one year rental. Not a bad deal then. Those aren't bad numbers for a good wr these days. Thanks for looking that up

kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/16/2020 2:05:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro If there is only one year left on OBJs deal no way am i giving up a 2 and a 5 for a one year rental According to sportrac, OBJ is signed thru 2023. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/odell-beckham-jr-14421/ 14,500,000 in 2021 13,750,000 in 2022 and 2023 There is no cap hit if we release him after 2021 but as you say, a #2 and #5 is tall cotton for a one year rental. yes, but we can trade him after 2020 - so there's some value in ownership...also, it's $15.75m, $15m and $15m - you have to include roster and workout bonuses.... I do believe that you got it right Rat.

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/16/2020 2:14:24 PM)
According to Paul Allen today: Just asked somebody who would know if #Vikings and Browns discussing deal for OBJ. Response was "Fake News." I believe the source. #Onward

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/16/2020 2:17:25 PM)
I have no problem with it...I just think he said the same about Diggs rumors.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/16/2020 2:21:29 PM)
Kyle Rudolph needs 12 Receiving TDs to crack the Top 10 of Receiving TDs by a TE in NFL history. He currently ranks 19th on the list. (Dustin Baker on Twitter)

unome -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/16/2020 3:55:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens According to Paul Allen today: Just asked somebody who would know if #Vikings and Browns discussing deal for OBJ. Response was "Fake News." I believe the source. #Onward The one thing that I don't think anyone here addressed was how unlikely the Browns were to make this deal because of how bad it would make them look. Trade a first rounder and a third, along with a former first round starting Safety, for OBJ and then turn around a year later and trade him for a future second rounder and a future fifth? That would be a somewhat shocking admission of failure on the Browns part.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/16/2020 5:07:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro If there is only one year left on OBJs deal no way am i giving up a 2 and a 5 for a one year rental According to sportrac, OBJ is signed thru 2023. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/odell-beckham-jr-14421/ 14,500,000 in 2021 13,750,000 in 2022 and 2023 There is no cap hit if we release him after 2021 but as you say, a #2 and #5 is tall cotton for a one year rental. yes, but we can trade him after 2020 - so there's some value in ownership...also, it's $15.75m, $15m and $15m - you have to include roster and workout bonuses.... Cleveland got him for the 17th overall pick and a 3rd round pick (#96). After one year they trade him to the Viking for a 2nd and 5th. If he wears out his welcome here and we want to trade him after a year, what do think the return would be at that point? Beckham has over 1,000 yards in every season except one - when he only played 3/4 games...His stats are much better than diggs...some team would trade for that....

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/16/2020 5:15:30 PM)
As you all know Wobby no longer is employed by the Vikings. There's a new guy beginning his new job with his first interview. I wish him well. I still miss Wobby. https://www.vikings.com/video/mattison-reflects-on-his-long-but-fast-road-following-his-first-nfl-season I reached out to him via Twitter. It looks like he was formerly employed by the Redskins (so he's not exactly a "rookie") and he was a small school wide receiver. His name is Gabe Henderson. I shared the story of my wife making the Vikings face mask for Mattison's mom and how she wears it proudly.

thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/16/2020 5:17:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens According to Paul Allen today: Just asked somebody who would know if #Vikings and Browns discussing deal for OBJ. Response was "Fake News." I believe the source. #Onward Was there ever any doubt? [sm=shrug.gif]

thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/16/2020 5:23:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson I just exchanged a few words with Sean Salisbury and he "followed" me on Twitter. . I feel flattered. I always have been his fan. It would be really cool to get him to come here. I have not been so successful persuading others to do so in the past, but I'll keep trying. Did he show you his cellphone pics?

Guest -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/16/2020 5:41:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: unome quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens According to Paul Allen today: Just asked somebody who would know if #Vikings and Browns discussing deal for OBJ. Response was "Fake News." I believe the source. #Onward The one thing that I don't think anyone here addressed was how unlikely the Browns were to make this deal because of how bad it would make them look. Trade a first rounder and a third, along with a former first round starting Safety, for OBJ and then turn around a year later and trade him for a future second rounder and a future fifth? That would be a somewhat shocking admission of failure on the Browns part. Pretty easily explained actually when it is a completely new front office, and coaching staff. High dollar figured malcontent (at least perceived malcontent) Browns aren’t ready to win at all.

kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/16/2020 6:24:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson As you all know Wobby no longer is employed by the Vikings. There's a new guy beginning his new job with his first interview. I wish him well. I still miss Wobby. https://www.vikings.com/video/mattison-reflects-on-his-long-but-fast-road-following-his-first-nfl-season I reached out to him via Twitter. It looks like he was formerly employed by the Redskins (so he's not exactly a "rookie") and he was a small school wide receiver. His name is Gabe Henderson. I shared the story of my wife making the Vikings face mask for Mattison's mom and how she wears it proudly. I thought Wobby was very good and I wonder if it was his choice to move on or the Vikings fired him.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/16/2020 7:43:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson As you all know Wobby no longer is employed by the Vikings. There's a new guy beginning his new job with his first interview. I wish him well. I still miss Wobby. https://www.vikings.com/video/mattison-reflects-on-his-long-but-fast-road-following-his-first-nfl-season I reached out to him via Twitter. It looks like he was formerly employed by the Redskins (so he's not exactly a "rookie") and he was a small school wide receiver. His name is Gabe Henderson. I shared the story of my wife making the Vikings face mask for Mattison's mom and how she wears it proudly. I thought Wobby was very good and I wonder if it was his choice to move on or the Vikings fired him. Wobby definitely was fired. It's just not clear why. It might have been... well, I shouldn't say, especially because I don't know.

Pager -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/16/2020 8:38:31 PM)
Wobby was too homerish for me. I never read his mailbag or articles; there was never any substance. Courtney at ESPN doesn't seem to do any investigative work, just regurgitates the latest intel/rumors. I rarely read her. On a different note - recent (yesterday) source of rookie cap hit. This guy is saying 4.7M. https://twitter.com/SeanBormanNFL/status/1250564023600533506?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpurplepainforums.com%2Fthread%2F2966%2F2020-vikings-agency-roster-moves%3Fpage%3D67 Always interesting to me, how there never seems to be an accurate number. I thought last year it cost us 3.5M and I guess another first rounder with bonus spread out over 4 years only adds about 1.5M. It also helps that we are drafting later.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/17/2020 12:26:22 AM)
Wobby was employed by the Vikings so he had to be homerish.

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/17/2020 7:00:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kurt bilben quote: ORIGINAL: unome quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens According to Paul Allen today: Just asked somebody who would know if #Vikings and Browns discussing deal for OBJ. Response was "Fake News." I believe the source. #Onward The one thing that I don't think anyone here addressed was how unlikely the Browns were to make this deal because of how bad it would make them look. Trade a first rounder and a third, along with a former first round starting Safety, for OBJ and then turn around a year later and trade him for a future second rounder and a future fifth? That would be a somewhat shocking admission of failure on the Browns part. Pretty easily explained actually when it is a completely new front office, and coaching staff. High dollar figured malcontent (at least perceived malcontent) Browns aren’t ready to win at all. Read an article where the author said it's very possible there were talks but highly doubted they would accept anything less than 1st rd pick and change in this draft not next years.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/17/2020 7:23:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: kurt bilben quote: ORIGINAL: unome quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens According to Paul Allen today: Just asked somebody who would know if #Vikings and Browns discussing deal for OBJ. Response was "Fake News." I believe the source. #Onward The one thing that I don't think anyone here addressed was how unlikely the Browns were to make this deal because of how bad it would make them look. Trade a first rounder and a third, along with a former first round starting Safety, for OBJ and then turn around a year later and trade him for a future second rounder and a future fifth? That would be a somewhat shocking admission of failure on the Browns part. Pretty easily explained actually when it is a completely new front office, and coaching staff. High dollar figured malcontent (at least perceived malcontent) Browns aren’t ready to win at all. Read an article where the author said it's very possible there were talks but highly doubted they would accept anything less than 1st rd pick and change in this draft not next years. All reports link Harris plus a 2nd and 5th next year....

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/17/2020 7:47:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: kurt bilben quote: ORIGINAL: unome quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens According to Paul Allen today: Just asked somebody who would know if #Vikings and Browns discussing deal for OBJ. Response was "Fake News." I believe the source. #Onward The one thing that I don't think anyone here addressed was how unlikely the Browns were to make this deal because of how bad it would make them look. Trade a first rounder and a third, along with a former first round starting Safety, for OBJ and then turn around a year later and trade him for a future second rounder and a future fifth? That would be a somewhat shocking admission of failure on the Browns part. Pretty easily explained actually when it is a completely new front office, and coaching staff. High dollar figured malcontent (at least perceived malcontent) Browns aren’t ready to win at all. Read an article where the author said it's very possible there were talks but highly doubted they would accept anything less than 1st rd pick and change in this draft not next years. All reports link Harris plus a 2nd and 5th next year.... I don't know how many pick Clev has this draft but one would think they'd want to get the equity this draft. Cuz a 2 & 5 next year is like a 3 & 6 this year. Seems like a low return for a guy they gave an awful lot to acquire.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/17/2020 8:15:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: kurt bilben quote: ORIGINAL: unome quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens According to Paul Allen today: Just asked somebody who would know if #Vikings and Browns discussing deal for OBJ. Response was "Fake News." I believe the source. #Onward The one thing that I don't think anyone here addressed was how unlikely the Browns were to make this deal because of how bad it would make them look. Trade a first rounder and a third, along with a former first round starting Safety, for OBJ and then turn around a year later and trade him for a future second rounder and a future fifth? That would be a somewhat shocking admission of failure on the Browns part. Pretty easily explained actually when it is a completely new front office, and coaching staff. High dollar figured malcontent (at least perceived malcontent) Browns aren’t ready to win at all. Read an article where the author said it's very possible there were talks but highly doubted they would accept anything less than 1st rd pick and change in this draft not next years. All reports link Harris plus a 2nd and 5th next year.... Those aren’t reports ... those are speculative tweets about a possible conversation. We won’t know until we know ... and neither team is going to divulge details.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/17/2020 8:18:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: kurt bilben quote: ORIGINAL: unome quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens According to Paul Allen today: Just asked somebody who would know if #Vikings and Browns discussing deal for OBJ. Response was "Fake News." I believe the source. #Onward The one thing that I don't think anyone here addressed was how unlikely the Browns were to make this deal because of how bad it would make them look. Trade a first rounder and a third, along with a former first round starting Safety, for OBJ and then turn around a year later and trade him for a future second rounder and a future fifth? That would be a somewhat shocking admission of failure on the Browns part. Pretty easily explained actually when it is a completely new front office, and coaching staff. High dollar figured malcontent (at least perceived malcontent) Browns aren’t ready to win at all. Read an article where the author said it's very possible there were talks but highly doubted they would accept anything less than 1st rd pick and change in this draft not next years. All reports link Harris plus a 2nd and 5th next year.... Those aren’t reports ... those are speculative tweets about a possible conversation. We won’t know until we know ... and neither team is going to divulge details. It isn't a tweet....it was from a NY Sports radio host with very good sources. SkorNorth had him on and yeah it is speculation but what isn't now? Pretty sure there was a conversation. https://www.skornorth.com/2020/04/obj-to-the-vikings-speculation-from-marc-malusis-of-wfan/ https://www.skornorth.com/2020/04/what-are-the-validity-of-the-obj-vikings-trade-rumors/

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/17/2020 8:57:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: kurt bilben quote: ORIGINAL: unome quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens According to Paul Allen today: Just asked somebody who would know if #Vikings and Browns discussing deal for OBJ. Response was "Fake News." I believe the source. #Onward The one thing that I don't think anyone here addressed was how unlikely the Browns were to make this deal because of how bad it would make them look. Trade a first rounder and a third, along with a former first round starting Safety, for OBJ and then turn around a year later and trade him for a future second rounder and a future fifth? That would be a somewhat shocking admission of failure on the Browns part. Pretty easily explained actually when it is a completely new front office, and coaching staff. High dollar figured malcontent (at least perceived malcontent) Browns aren’t ready to win at all. Read an article where the author said it's very possible there were talks but highly doubted they would accept anything less than 1st rd pick and change in this draft not next years. All reports link Harris plus a 2nd and 5th next year.... Those aren’t reports ... those are speculative tweets about a possible conversation. We won’t know until we know ... and neither team is going to divulge details. It isn't a tweet....it was from a NY Sports radio host with very good sources. SkorNorth had him on and yeah it is speculation but what isn't now? Pretty sure there was a conversation. https://www.skornorth.com/2020/04/obj-to-the-vikings-speculation-from-marc-malusis-of-wfan/ https://www.skornorth.com/2020/04/what-are-the-validity-of-the-obj-vikings-trade-rumors/ Can't open your links ... regardless, its your right to choose one speculative source over another about a possible conversation ...

kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (4/17/2020 8:58:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: kurt bilben quote: ORIGINAL: unome quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens According to Paul Allen today: Just asked somebody who would know if #Vikings and Browns discussing deal for OBJ. Response was "Fake News." I believe the source. #Onward The one thing that I don't think anyone here addressed was how unlikely the Browns were to make this deal because of how bad it would make them look. Trade a first rounder and a third, along with a former first round starting Safety, for OBJ and then turn around a year later and trade him for a future second rounder and a future fifth? That would be a somewhat shocking admission of failure on the Browns part. Pretty easily explained actually when it is a completely new front office, and coaching staff. High dollar figured malcontent (at least perceived malcontent) Browns aren’t ready to win at all. Read an article where the author said it's very possible there were talks but highly doubted they would accept anything less than 1st rd pick and change in this draft not next years. All reports link Harris plus a 2nd and 5th next year.... I never heard anything about Harris being included. Much better for us to cut Harris and get the draft compensation.

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