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Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/16/2020 10:12:23 PM)
Fire Rick

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/16/2020 10:13:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arlowe84 This makes the team immediately worse. Trader Rick taking a big gamble Needs to rebuild secondary, oline, dline and now WR Wow this could be a loooong year Bisi and Thielen.....not bare. Tons of picks to fill holes too...Hollins looked good against Chicago too....

bstinger -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/16/2020 10:17:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Pager Vikings Trade WR Stefon Diggs To Bills March 16th, 2020 at 9:37pm CST by Ben Levine This is breaking news. Please refresh for updates. We’ve got our second major wide receiver trade of the day. Fox Sports’ Jay Glazer reports (via Twitter) that the Vikings are trading star wideout Stefon Diggs to the Bills. ESPN’s Adam Schefter has full details on the swap (Twitter link): To Minnesota: 2020 1st-round pick, 2020 5th-round pick, 2020 6th-round pick, 2021 4th-round pick To Buffalo: Diggs, 2020 7th-round pick I will always appreciate Diggs for his part in the Minneapolis Miracle. My mom was on her death bed at the time (cancer) and that was the one time in the months before or after that I was able to feel a moment of elation. My daughter and I shared a moment I might never forget when that came was coming to an end. Diggs is obviously talented. But I think his estimation of his talent far exceeds it. He's a me-first prima dona that we don't need on the team. Unfortunately his absence will create an big hole in an already undermanned WR room. I'd like the deal a lot better if Buffalo was higher in the draft than they are. Need some nice moves with the assets. Could be great picks, but a trade to give picks for ready to play assets would be the best move for a win now squad. Maybe with KC signed for longer they won't throw all their chips in now, but WR's, DE's, OL's, CB's, DT's are all areas of significant need. Along with backup QB.

beo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/16/2020 10:17:36 PM)
Bummed... I really loved watching Diggs play. But, I'm relieved they got decent compensation... I thought after the Hopkins deal we could get fleeced as well. Lotta picks... but history has shown that doesn't necessarily pay off... I'm thinking of the Cordarrelle, Harry, Shariff in the first round draft. Then again.... you hit on a draft like this and it can propel you. Picks Round 1 Round 1 Round 2 Round 3 Round 3 Round 4 Round 5 Round 6 Round 6 Round 7 Round 7 Round 7

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/16/2020 10:22:14 PM)
The thing to remember is that players like Tyler Johnson are dropping to the 3rd round....1st - high 2nd round WRs normally.....perfect year to do this. Bisi, Thielen, Hollins, and Irv can pick up the slack.

Arlowe84 -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/16/2020 10:24:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Arlowe84 This makes the team immediately worse. Trader Rick taking a big gamble Needs to rebuild secondary, oline, dline and now WR Wow this could be a loooong year Bisi and Thielen.....not bare. Tons of picks to fill holes too...Hollins looked good against Chicago too.... Thielen I agree. Bisi meh, just a body Without a proven 2, Thielen will see a lot of attention

beo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/16/2020 10:25:35 PM)
2015 Draft 1st - Trae Waynes 2nd - Eric Kendricks 3rd - Danielle Hunter 5th- Stefon Diggs UDFA - Anthony Harris UDFA - Justin Coleman Need a draft like that!

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/16/2020 10:25:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arlowe84 quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Arlowe84 This makes the team immediately worse. Trader Rick taking a big gamble Needs to rebuild secondary, oline, dline and now WR Wow this could be a loooong year Bisi and Thielen.....not bare. Tons of picks to fill holes too...Hollins looked good against Chicago too.... Thielen I agree. Bisi meh, just a body Without a proven 2, Thielen will see a lot of attention You do realize he was a rookie and produced in Thielen's place when needed? Lots of talent on this team...

Dave Odle -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/16/2020 10:26:42 PM)
I'm good w/ it. Was really getting tired of his mouth. Plus, he was kind of hit and miss and we obviously chose Cousins over him. I don't know how I feel about extending Cousins, but Diggs and his antics were wearing thin. It's not like his talent was Moss level to put up w/ that crap.

Arlowe84 -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/16/2020 10:31:20 PM)
I’d take a look at Robby Anderson. Only 25 but in a bad spot with NY Would be a nice field stretcher opposite Thielen He would fit well with Cousins deep ball Demarcus Robinson a very intruiging high upside guy too

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/16/2020 10:37:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arlowe84 I’d take a look at Robby Anderson. Only 25 but in a bad spot with NY Would be a nice field stretcher opposite Thielen He would fit well with Cousins deep ball Demarcus Robinson a very intruiging high upside guy too Robby Anderson has too many personal issues to list.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/16/2020 10:38:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arlowe84 quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer That is a great haul for Diggs. A fifth round pick remember Would have rather had players. Picks are risky. In time it could look really bad or really good depending on the success of the picks. One good thing is that it helps the team get younger. There will be a number of younger players coming to our team as a result. I was saying that I didn't want to trade Diggs, but I didn't think we would do this well. I'm happy, now.

Arlowe84 -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/16/2020 10:42:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Arlowe84 quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Arlowe84 This makes the team immediately worse. Trader Rick taking a big gamble Needs to rebuild secondary, oline, dline and now WR Wow this could be a loooong year Bisi and Thielen.....not bare. Tons of picks to fill holes too...Hollins looked good against Chicago too.... Thielen I agree. Bisi meh, just a body Without a proven 2, Thielen will see a lot of attention You do realize he was a rookie and produced in Thielen's place when needed? Lots of talent on this team... I watched him. He was a body out there. Nothing more More excited about Irv Smith

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/16/2020 10:44:41 PM)
The Vikings, who ended Monday seven million under the cap after making a bevy of moves, will incur $9 million in dead money but save $5.5 million against the cap with the trade. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28914153/source-bills-acquire-wr-stefon-diggs-vikings-4-draft-picks

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/16/2020 10:54:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: beo Bummed... I really loved watching Diggs play. But, I'm relieved they got decent compensation... I thought after the Hopkins deal we could get fleeced as well. Lotta picks... but history has shown that doesn't necessarily pay off... I'm thinking of the Cordarrelle, Harry, Shariff in the first round draft. Then again.... you hit on a draft like this and it can propel you. Picks Round 1 Round 1 Round 2 Round 3 Round 3 Round 4 Round 5 Round 6 Round 6 Round 7 Round 7 Round 7 Lots of franchised guys out there that can be had for a 1st Rounder+. #22 Ruggs #25 Traded for Thuney 2) BPA Defense 3) BPA Defense 3) BPA Defense 4-7 BPA Probably another 6th rounder to NE. FA WR like E. Sanders wouldn't hurt.

Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/16/2020 10:56:45 PM)
Diggs was just going to be a major distraction in our new look offense with Kubiak at helm... Back to the future will be or mantra again and we will stick even more to the RUN RUN short dump PASS type offense that the HC desires. Diggs was an expensive miscast square peg in round hole for our ground pounding attack that brings back days of future past... Our elite D will keep scores close and our O will control time of possession with a mastermind at clock management to have us in every game right to the end...

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/16/2020 10:58:18 PM)
We will always remember this. https://twitter.com/i/status/1239748839667642368

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/16/2020 11:00:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök Diggs was just going to be a major distraction in our new look offense with Kubiak at helm... Back to the future will be or mantra again and we will stick even more to the RUN RUN short dump PASS type offense that the HC desires. Diggs was an expensive miscast square peg in round hole for our ground pounding attack that brings back days of future past... Our elite D will keep scores close and our O will control time of possession with a mastermind at clock management to have us in every game right to the end... We have to parlay this trade into a stud vet Olineman.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/16/2020 11:02:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök Diggs was just going to be a major distraction in our new look offense with Kubiak at helm... Back to the future will be or mantra again and we will stick even more to the RUN RUN short dump PASS type offense that the HC desires. Diggs was an expensive miscast square peg in round hole for our ground pounding attack that brings back days of future past... Our elite D will keep scores close and our O will control time of possession with a mastermind at clock management to have us in every game right to the end... We have to parlay this trade into a stud vet Olineman. With our salary cap situation, wouldn't it be cheaper to draft an offensive lineman in the first round?

Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/16/2020 11:04:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök Diggs was just going to be a major distraction in our new look offense with Kubiak at helm... Back to the future will be or mantra again and we will stick even more to the RUN RUN short dump PASS type offense that the HC desires. Diggs was an expensive miscast square peg in round hole for our ground pounding attack that brings back days of future past... Our elite D will keep scores close and our O will control time of possession with a mastermind at clock management to have us in every game right to the end... We have to parlay this trade into a stud vet Olineman. No need for an elite OL, Kirk will be the ultimate game manager QB handing off the ball 50 plus percent of the time while perfecting his no look dump off passes to the flat for a goodly portion of rest. Thielen will run a few routes just to keep the D honest... Sure glad we got that CJ Ham deal done, he will be key again in an attack that Diggs would have been just an expensive decoy goodly part of time...

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/16/2020 11:05:40 PM)
https://www.vikings.com/photos/100-best-photos-of-the-minneapolis-miracle-20266649#3425e117-006e-40c9-a7ef-382ef164fb85 Look about 40% of the way up from the bottom of the left upright on the goalpost and you'll see a small white rectangle. That's a sign my wife made and it says Bring It Home!. She's holding it and I'm standing three people over to the right. We still have that sign and it will be a memento of the greatest game I've ever been at - even better than Favre to Lewis.

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/16/2020 11:07:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök Diggs was just going to be a major distraction in our new look offense with Kubiak at helm... Back to the future will be or mantra again and we will stick even more to the RUN RUN short dump PASS type offense that the HC desires. Diggs was an expensive miscast square peg in round hole for our ground pounding attack that brings back days of future past... Our elite D will keep scores close and our O will control time of possession with a mastermind at clock management to have us in every game right to the end... We have to parlay this trade into a stud vet Olineman. With our salary cap situation, wouldn't it be cheaper to draft an offensive lineman in the first round? Yes. But, do you want proven or Matt Kalil, Elfy, etc...?

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/16/2020 11:10:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök Diggs was just going to be a major distraction in our new look offense with Kubiak at helm... Back to the future will be or mantra again and we will stick even more to the RUN RUN short dump PASS type offense that the HC desires. Diggs was an expensive miscast square peg in round hole for our ground pounding attack that brings back days of future past... Our elite D will keep scores close and our O will control time of possession with a mastermind at clock management to have us in every game right to the end... We have to parlay this trade into a stud vet Olineman. No need for an elite OL, Kirk will be the ultimate game manager QB handing off the ball 50 plus percent of the time while perfecting his no look dump off passes to the flat for a goodly portion of rest. Thielen will run a few routes just to keep the D honest... Sure glad we got that CJ Ham deal done, he will be key again in an attack that Diggs would have been just an expensive decoy goodly part of time... Kubiak won a SB and will not be swayed by Zimmer. OLine needs to be solidified.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/16/2020 11:14:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Ragnarök Diggs was just going to be a major distraction in our new look offense with Kubiak at helm... Back to the future will be or mantra again and we will stick even more to the RUN RUN short dump PASS type offense that the HC desires. Diggs was an expensive miscast square peg in round hole for our ground pounding attack that brings back days of future past... Our elite D will keep scores close and our O will control time of possession with a mastermind at clock management to have us in every game right to the end... We have to parlay this trade into a stud vet Olineman. With our salary cap situation, wouldn't it be cheaper to draft an offensive lineman in the first round? Yes. But, do you want proven or Matt Kalil, Elfy, etc...? If we had the money I'd take the veteran, but the financial difference is huge. The benefit lasts for four years.

Ragnarök -> RE: General Vikes Talk (3/16/2020 11:20:37 PM)
Kubiak SB win was not on the strengths of Kubiak system, sorry... They were last desperation play of an againg QB in Manning who was his own HC on the field... As well as stellar D play that allowed for much of the O struggles to be masked by keeping games close. The follwing year without Manning and slipping D play the bottom fell out for Kubiak... Under Kubiak, the Broncos installed a run-oriented offense with zone blocking to blend in with quarterback Peyton Manning's shotgun passing style, but struggled with numerous changes and injuries to the offensive line. In addition, the 39-year-old Manning had his worst statistical season since his rookie year due to a plantar fasciitis injury in his heel that he had suffered since the summer. Despite the offensive struggles, the Broncos were carried by their defense led by defensive coordinator Wade Phillips, who replaced his predecessor's complicated read-and-react 4-3 scheme with a simple aggressive 3-4 approach of attacking the ball, the Broncos' defense ranked No.1 in total yards allowed, passing yards allowed and sacks, and like the previous three seasons, the team continued to set numerous individual, league and franchise records. Though the team had a 7–0 start, Manning led the NFL in interceptions. In Week 10, Manning suffered a partial tear of the plantar fascia in his left foot. He set the NFL's all-time record for career passing yards in this game, but after throwing four interceptions, Kubiak benched Manning favor of backup quarterback Brock Osweiler, who took over as the starter for most of the remainder of the regular season. During the Week 17 regular season finale, however, where the Broncos were losing by a score of 13–7 against the 4–11 San Diego Chargers, Kubiak benched Osweiler and Manning re-claimed the starting quarterback position for the playoffs by leading the team to a key 27–20 win that enabled the team finish the 2015 regular season with a 12-4 record, winning the AFC West and securing the number one playoff seed in the AFC

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