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unome -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/9/2020 6:44:13 PM)

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I can't remember.

Did the Bush Plan make it impossible for the Government to touch that money?


I do think you are correct

The government will never touch Social Security anyway. They will just print money if they cannot pay it back. Of course, this has its own substantial risks.

Things will go sideways with all this debt eventually. But the Ponzi scheme is still holding up, for now. I wish I could say that I hope the scheme lasts at least until I die, but I have kids so that does not ease my concerns at all.

Who could ever have known that having 75 trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities would become a problem one day? [:-][:-]

I'm just going to come out and say this. No matter how naive it makes me sound.

Do you understand how the global economy works? I just read that the US, Japan and China are 1,2,3 for the most debt on Earth.

Someone like me would have thought that China had leverage on everyone but it seems that they have a debt problem too.


It is hard to comment without specifics, but China does a bunch of internal infrastructure projects every time their economy slows, so this could explain their debt in part.

It also is probably more interesting about the net debt a country has. If you owe 2 trillion, but are owed 3 trillion, owing 2 trillion is not a big deal, in theory.

I did find this: https://howmuch.net/articles/foreign-holders-of-us-debt-2020 So the largest foreign holders of our debt are Japan and then China. Those Japanese and their big savings rate.

The one thing I know for sure is that China and the US both have a bunch of leverage on each other, but it works more like a Cold War-like Mutually Assured Destruction type thing. They could hurt us and we could hurt them, but this tit for tat would end up just hurting ourselves. They could threaten to hurt our economy, but then we would just buy less of their goods. We can raise tariffs and they could respond in kind.

And debt you already own is not really much leverage as you have already given that person or country the money. The leverage comes in getting a new round of debt. Getting that next commitment of cash.

Make no mistake though, global economics is incredibly complex and multi-dimensional. I mean, we have not even mentioned currency rates in this discussion and that is significant in all of these machinations and this was part of the beef trump had with China. They keep their currency artificially low to make their imports cheaper. Frankly, this ends up helping the American consumer, but it does make Chinese rates more competitive. I could talk a bunch on this topic, but it is not exactly what you asked about.




unome -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/9/2020 6:56:37 PM)

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And while everyone is obsessed with COVID-19, it reached 100 degrees in the arctic circle last weekend (highest temperature ever recorded). Once COVID 19 is behind us, we may want to address that issue rather than continuing to kick the can down the road.

Eat some more Impossible Burgers at Burger King.

Wasn't NYC supposed to be under water by now? As predicted by a man(Al Gore) who has become rich off of global warming. Gore's mansion in Tennessee uses more electricity that an average family uses in 21 years. He doesn't seem too worried.

Almost forgot his other home. The Ocean view Villa in California. Once again, really worried about Global Warming and rising water levels.

Just because it isn't happening as quickly as some predicted, doesn't mean it isn't happening. When you start having 100-degree temperatures in the arctic circle, it is bound to have a tremendous effect on the circle of life. If you want to keep ignoring it, go ahead. Continue to be a part of the problem. God won't be saving people in 100 years.


Global warming is something to try and mitigate, but humanity is not at risk of dying off because of it.

Maybe you are not saying what you appear to be saying, but is hard to tell with your bringing God into it and being super vague. But I just want to clear that if the absolutely worst global warming predictions happen, humanity will still be surviving and thriving on Earth 100 years from now.

Just like I was not saying we should move to Afghanistan, I am also not saying that nothing bad could happen and that no one would be impacted. Please respond to only what I am actually writing. Humanity is NOT at threat of extinction because of global warming. None at all. Not even if we burn every known fossil fuel there is.




bohumm -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/9/2020 7:00:48 PM)

Global trade/economics/monetary issues are endlessly complex, and domestic equivalents are not far behind. I have backed off of a lot of what I thought I knew in the last several years and most seems replaced only by more complex questions. Mark's post about debt is a perfect example: there is definitely consequence to debt, but it may not be as cut and dried as previously thought.

Our biggest problem is probably the same stuff we're seeing the last few pages on here: we lack a shared set of objectives and shared framing. All the debate can't help but devolve into yammering. I come down more and more to a simple premise: everyone gets bread no matter what; a reasonably lived life should yield a decent supply of butter; better choices, effort, and luck get better toppings like jam, cheese, and caviar, but no one needs a stack of caviar to the ceiling----tax that shit. You can keep a good chunk of it, but everyone needs to eat.




Ricky J -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/9/2020 7:01:41 PM)

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Big wedding in our rural county two weeks ago. Our numbers for the county increased 30 in a blink.


Update: my wife just came home from work (at the hospital - got some scoop today) and said the entire wedding party tested positive. A total of 83 people have tested positive so far.

We're just a sparrow fart community. Nothing like the numbers you'll see at Sturgis




bohumm -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/9/2020 7:03:26 PM)

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Big wedding in our rural county two weeks ago. Our numbers for the county increased 30 in a blink.


Update: my wife just came home from work (at the hospital - got some scoop today) and said the entire wedding party tested positive. A total of 83 people have tested positive so far.

We're just a sparrow fart community. Nothing like the numbers you'll see at Sturgis

Wow.




unome -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/9/2020 7:31:53 PM)

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Big wedding in our rural county two weeks ago. Our numbers for the county increased 30 in a blink.


Update: my wife just came home from work (at the hospital - got some scoop today) and said the entire wedding party tested positive. A total of 83 people have tested positive so far.

We're just a sparrow fart community. Nothing like the numbers you'll see at Sturgis


I am sorry to hear that. I hope everyone is well, although there are almost always older people at weddings so that is probably not good.




unome -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/9/2020 7:43:40 PM)

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Global trade/economics/monetary issues are endlessly complex, and domestic equivalents are not far behind. I have backed off of a lot of what I thought I knew in the last several years and most seems replaced only by more complex questions. Mark's post about debt is a perfect example: there is definitely consequence to debt, but it may not be as cut and dried as previously thought.

Our biggest problem is probably the same stuff we're seeing the last few pages on here: we lack a shared set of objectives and shared framing. All the debate can't help but devolve into yammering. I come down more and more to a simple premise: everyone gets bread no matter what; a reasonably lived life should yield a decent supply of butter; better choices, effort, and luck get better toppings like jam, cheese, and caviar, but no one needs a stack of caviar to the ceiling----tax that shit. You can keep a good chunk of it, but everyone needs to eat.


Good stuff.

I actually only defend lower tax rates because I think lower tax rates on capital are good for the economy and, thus, good for everyone. Taxes on high wages are not taxes directly on capital so they are less problematic. Interestingly though, I am an anti-materialist so I could have gobs of money and I would still live simply. Although, I would also travel and go to good restaurants, but I try and do that anyway, or I used to nbefore all h--- broke loose.

No one ever sits on their deathbed and wishes they had had another sports car. Experiences are what is worth spending money on. Material stuff: not so much.

I would find it interesting if we did the Sweeney 91% top tax rate and see how that affects pro sports contracts. Mr. Mahomes, you know that big contract you signed? You will now clear 4 million a year after taxes, minus agent's fees, and additional taxes.

Might double the number of black Republicans overnight. [&:]




bohumm -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/9/2020 9:03:41 PM)

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Global trade/economics/monetary issues are endlessly complex, and domestic equivalents are not far behind. I have backed off of a lot of what I thought I knew in the last several years and most seems replaced only by more complex questions. Mark's post about debt is a perfect example: there is definitely consequence to debt, but it may not be as cut and dried as previously thought.

Our biggest problem is probably the same stuff we're seeing the last few pages on here: we lack a shared set of objectives and shared framing. All the debate can't help but devolve into yammering. I come down more and more to a simple premise: everyone gets bread no matter what; a reasonably lived life should yield a decent supply of butter; better choices, effort, and luck get better toppings like jam, cheese, and caviar, but no one needs a stack of caviar to the ceiling----tax that shit. You can keep a good chunk of it, but everyone needs to eat.


Good stuff.

I actually only defend lower tax rates because I think lower tax rates on capital are good for the economy and, thus, good for everyone. Taxes on high wages are not taxes directly on capital so they are less problematic. Interestingly though, I am an anti-materialist so I could have gobs of money and I would still live simply. Although, I would also travel and go to good restaurants, but I try and do that anyway, or I used to nbefore all h--- broke loose.

No one ever sits on their deathbed and wishes they had had another sports car. Experiences are what is worth spending money on. Material stuff: not so much.

I would find it interesting if we did the Sweeney 91% top tax rate and see how that affects pro sports contracts. Mr. Mahomes, you know that big contract you signed? You will now clear 4 million a year after taxes, minus agent's fees, and additional taxes.

Might double the number of black Republicans overnight. [&:]

To be clear, the taxes are incremental. He would pay 28% or whatever on the biggest chunk; the 91% would be on the amount in excess of some cutoff like $10 million or something.




Bruce Johnson -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/9/2020 9:08:04 PM)

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Global trade/economics/monetary issues are endlessly complex, and domestic equivalents are not far behind. I have backed off of a lot of what I thought I knew in the last several years and most seems replaced only by more complex questions. Mark's post about debt is a perfect example: there is definitely consequence to debt, but it may not be as cut and dried as previously thought.

Our biggest problem is probably the same stuff we're seeing the last few pages on here: we lack a shared set of objectives and shared framing. All the debate can't help but devolve into yammering. I come down more and more to a simple premise: everyone gets bread no matter what; a reasonably lived life should yield a decent supply of butter; better choices, effort, and luck get better toppings like jam, cheese, and caviar, but no one needs a stack of caviar to the ceiling----tax that shit. You can keep a good chunk of it, but everyone needs to eat.


Good stuff.

I actually only defend lower tax rates because I think lower tax rates on capital are good for the economy and, thus, good for everyone. Taxes on high wages are not taxes directly on capital so they are less problematic. Interestingly though, I am an anti-materialist so I could have gobs of money and I would still live simply. Although, I would also travel and go to good restaurants, but I try and do that anyway, or I used to nbefore all h--- broke loose.

No one ever sits on their deathbed and wishes they had had another sports car. Experiences are what is worth spending money on. Material stuff: not so much.

I would find it interesting if we did the Sweeney 91% top tax rate and see how that affects pro sports contracts. Mr. Mahomes, you know that big contract you signed? You will now clear 4 million a year after taxes, minus agent's fees, and additional taxes.

Might double the number of black Republicans overnight. [&:]


The Left seems to want to go to a global government. So anyone making 20k per year should be in the 91% tax bracket. Still the government would spend all of the money and more, but it would be fair for those in Nicaragua who average an annual income of 430 dollars.




bohumm -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/9/2020 9:13:58 PM)

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Global trade/economics/monetary issues are endlessly complex, and domestic equivalents are not far behind. I have backed off of a lot of what I thought I knew in the last several years and most seems replaced only by more complex questions. Mark's post about debt is a perfect example: there is definitely consequence to debt, but it may not be as cut and dried as previously thought.

Our biggest problem is probably the same stuff we're seeing the last few pages on here: we lack a shared set of objectives and shared framing. All the debate can't help but devolve into yammering. I come down more and more to a simple premise: everyone gets bread no matter what; a reasonably lived life should yield a decent supply of butter; better choices, effort, and luck get better toppings like jam, cheese, and caviar, but no one needs a stack of caviar to the ceiling----tax that shit. You can keep a good chunk of it, but everyone needs to eat.


Good stuff.

I actually only defend lower tax rates because I think lower tax rates on capital are good for the economy and, thus, good for everyone. Taxes on high wages are not taxes directly on capital so they are less problematic. Interestingly though, I am an anti-materialist so I could have gobs of money and I would still live simply. Although, I would also travel and go to good restaurants, but I try and do that anyway, or I used to nbefore all h--- broke loose.

No one ever sits on their deathbed and wishes they had had another sports car. Experiences are what is worth spending money on. Material stuff: not so much.

I would find it interesting if we did the Sweeney 91% top tax rate and see how that affects pro sports contracts. Mr. Mahomes, you know that big contract you signed? You will now clear 4 million a year after taxes, minus agent's fees, and additional taxes.

Might double the number of black Republicans overnight. [&:]


The Left seems to want to go to a global government. So anyone making 20k per year should be in the 91% tax bracket. Still the government would spend all of the money and more, but it would be fair for those in Nicaragua who average an annual income of 430 dollars.

That is not the left, though it may be some far fringe. If you're talking about the Democratic Party, no one is talking about that.




unome -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/9/2020 9:26:38 PM)

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To be clear, the taxes are incremental. He would pay 28% or whatever on the biggest chunk; the 91% would be on the amount in excess of some cutoff like $10 million or something.


I used 1 million as the cutoff, but, yes, the numbers would be different if the cutoff was 10 million.




Brad H -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/10/2020 12:08:49 AM)

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Eat some more Impossible Burgers at Burger King.

Wasn't NYC supposed to be under water by now? As predicted by a man(Al Gore) who has become rich off of global warming. Gore's mansion in Tennessee uses more electricity that an average family uses in 21 years. He doesn't seem too worried.

Almost forgot his other home. The Ocean view Villa in California. Once again, really worried about Global Warming and rising water levels.

Just because it isn't happening as quickly as some predicted, doesn't mean it isn't happening. When you start having 100-degree temperatures in the arctic circle, it is bound to have a tremendous effect on the circle of life. If you want to keep ignoring it, go ahead. Continue to be a part of the problem. God won't be saving people in 100 years.


Global warming is something to try and mitigate, but humanity is not at risk of dying off because of it.






Daniel Lee Young -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/10/2020 12:23:25 AM)

The planet will do whatever is necessary, baring an outside event like a meteor strike, to balance its ecology..

Species is not a top priority.

You ain’t special.

How many times does some Catastrophic death form, need to sweep though humanity for ? God’s Will?, before it dawns on you?

climate change Will kill billions, or famine, or war, or plague.. the fourth horseman rides though tha world Ever second of every day.

But it has nothing to do with god or god’s will.




Daniel Lee Young -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/10/2020 12:44:00 AM)

COVID which has been around for a long time, has figured out how to adapt, even though it kills it’s host.

It will downgrade the lethality, to survive as mearly debilitating... as it spreads..because That’s what life in general is..

A virus that changes and modifies itself to adapt and survive or modifies its host to prolong its own survival.

Humans can’t wait to kill each other off, at the drop of a mote of dust to the ground.

Self serving suicide.




Brad H -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/10/2020 9:38:22 AM)

As I understand it, the Big Ten has just voted 12-2 to not have football this fall. Iowa and Nebraska the only holdouts.




unome -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/10/2020 5:06:12 PM)

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And while everyone is obsessed with COVID-19, it reached 100 degrees in the arctic circle last weekend (highest temperature ever recorded). Once COVID 19 is behind us, we may want to address that issue rather than continuing to kick the can down the road.

Eat some more Impossible Burgers at Burger King.

Wasn't NYC supposed to be under water by now? As predicted by a man(Al Gore) who has become rich off of global warming. Gore's mansion in Tennessee uses more electricity that an average family uses in 21 years. He doesn't seem too worried.

Almost forgot his other home. The Ocean view Villa in California. Once again, really worried about Global Warming and rising water levels.

Just because it isn't happening as quickly as some predicted, doesn't mean it isn't happening. When you start having 100-degree temperatures in the arctic circle, it is bound to have a tremendous effect on the circle of life. If you want to keep ignoring it, go ahead. Continue to be a part of the problem. God won't be saving people in 100 years.


Global warming is something to try and mitigate, but humanity is not at risk of dying off because of it.



That's a bold statement. It flies in the face of what most scientists are saying. What is your degree in?

Is it going to cost lives in your lifetime? Perhaps not. It doesn't mean we aren't headed in that direction. Is it imminent? Well, you could ask the people of Texas, Louisiana, Florida and California for starters. Try getting insurance for that house along the coast in Florida. The insurance companies agree.

Denying climate change is very similar to those that deny COVID-19. Like it or not, not every issue in society is a liberal versus conservative argument. It just is what it is. Why some continuously want to deny real science is a bit puzzling to me.

Have you looked at the comparison images of the arctic circle? Just because your politicians are denying it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. 97% of scientists agree that global warming exists due to human activities. You know, the people that actually study these things. https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/


Why would you cut off my posts and quote it incomplete?

I also wrote: "Maybe you are not saying what you appear to be saying, but is hard to tell with your bringing God into it and being super vague. But I just want to clear that if the absolutely worst global warming predictions happen, humanity will still be surviving and thriving on Earth 100 years from now.

Just like I was not saying we should move to Afghanistan, I am also not saying that nothing bad could happen and that no one would be impacted. Please respond to only what I am actually writing. Humanity is NOT at threat of extinction because of global warming. None at all. Not even if we burn every known fossil fuel there is."

I saw how you tried and purposefully misconstrued a different post I made and I asked you not to that again, you cut that part out of my post and pretend I never wrote what I wrote and the bolded above?

That is so disingenuous!

I wrote: "I am also not saying that nothing bad could happen and that no one would be impacted."


And then you go off on a lame tangent as if I was a denier or am refuting science or something. Not in the slightest.


If you did not have such a long history of being a lying troll, I would try and give you the benefit of the doubt, but 20+ years of seeing how slimy you can be carries a lot of weight.




Brad H -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/10/2020 5:22:50 PM)

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Eat some more Impossible Burgers at Burger King.

Wasn't NYC supposed to be under water by now? As predicted by a man(Al Gore) who has become rich off of global warming. Gore's mansion in Tennessee uses more electricity that an average family uses in 21 years. He doesn't seem too worried.

Almost forgot his other home. The Ocean view Villa in California. Once again, really worried about Global Warming and rising water levels.

Just because it isn't happening as quickly as some predicted, doesn't mean it isn't happening. When you start having 100-degree temperatures in the arctic circle, it is bound to have a tremendous effect on the circle of life. If you want to keep ignoring it, go ahead. Continue to be a part of the problem. God won't be saving people in 100 years.


Global warming is something to try and mitigate, but humanity is not at risk of dying off because of it.



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Why would you cut off my posts and quote it incomplete?

I also wrote: "Maybe you are not saying what you appear to be saying, but is hard to tell with your bringing God into it and being super vague. But I just want to clear that if the absolutely worst global warming predictions happen, humanity will still be surviving and thriving on Earth 100 years from now.

Just like I was not saying we should move to Afghanistan, I am also not saying that nothing bad could happen and that no one would be impacted. Please respond to only what I am actually writing. Humanity is NOT at threat of extinction because of global warming. None at all. Not even if we burn every known fossil fuel there is."

I saw how you tried and purposefully misconstrued a different post I made and I asked you not to that again, you cut that part out of my post and pretend I never wrote what I wrote and the bolded above?

That is so disingenuous!

I wrote: "I am also not saying that nothing bad could happen and that no one would be impacted."


And then you go off on a lame tangent as if I was a denier or am refuting science or something. Not in the slightest.


If you did not have such a long history of being a lying troll, I would try and give you the benefit of the doubt, but 20+ years of seeing how slimy you can be carries a lot of weight.




unome -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/10/2020 5:39:52 PM)

For the record:

There is a massive amount of evidence that more CO2 in the atmosphere generally raises the mean temperature. No one really disputes that. No one also disputes that the CO2 levels have gone up since the Industrial Age started. And no one with a clue disputes that there are certainly areas of concern with raising temperatures. We all know them. Raising sea levels, ocean acidification, habitat change, larger severe weather events.


What does bother me is:

1. Some global warming alarmists say or imply that global warming could wipe out the human species. This is laughably false and this is what I was trying to respond to original Hoiseth's post. If the oceans rise 60 feet, we have more hurricanes and the ocean gets more acidic, there will be pretty serious challenges to overcome, but the species as a whole will still exist and will be doing well.

Look back to the warmest period is recent history, the PETM. Temperatures were 12 degress warmer on average than they are right now. So, the Earth must have been a terrible place, you would think. But this was the period where the rise of mammels really took off. Plants and animals thrived in the warmer temps, which is what we still see on Earth today. These warmer temps were almost certainly caused by a big spike in CO2 in the atmosphere that happened at the same time.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-37647049#:~:text=A%20comet%20impact%2055%20million,new%20evidence%20for%20the%20theory.


2. It also bothers me that you never hear the positives of global warming. In fact, my writing "positives of global warming" is so opposite to the groupthink of what we are fed that it may sound disjointed. However, more CO2 is a wonderful thing if you are a plant. And the world is literally getting greener because of more CO2.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth


3. You also never hear about how a warming world may permanently put off a much bigger problem: continental glaciation.

"In the journal Nature Geoscience, they write that the next Ice Age would begin within 1,500 years - but (CO2) emissions have been so high that it will not.

"At current levels of CO2, even if emissions stopped now we'd probably have a long interglacial duration determined by whatever long-term processes could kick in and bring [atmospheric] CO2 down," said Luke Skinner from Cambridge University.

Dr Skinner's group - which also included scientists from University College London, the University of Florida and Norway's Bergen University - calculates that the atmospheric concentration of CO2 would have to fall below about 240 parts per million (ppm) before the glaciation could begin."

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-16439807

So we were on pace to have another Ice Age in around 1,500 years, which is mere minutes in geological time and man-made CO2 emissions have likely put this on the back burner indefinitely.

Not concerned about the Ice Age? Minnesota was under a mile of ice 20,000 and that would kill property values.

http://www.kgs.ku.edu/Publications/PIC/28figures/fig1.jpg



So, there are some real concerns with global warming, but there may be some real benefits as well. I know, I know, you probably never heard that before. But, people want things to be black and white, good or bad. And it is not that simple.




thebigo -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/10/2020 5:40:35 PM)

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And while everyone is obsessed with COVID-19, it reached 100 degrees in the arctic circle last weekend (highest temperature ever recorded). Once COVID 19 is behind us, we may want to address that issue rather than continuing to kick the can down the road.

Eat some more Impossible Burgers at Burger King.

Wasn't NYC supposed to be under water by now? As predicted by a man(Al Gore) who has become rich off of global warming. Gore's mansion in Tennessee uses more electricity that an average family uses in 21 years. He doesn't seem too worried.

Almost forgot his other home. The Ocean view Villa in California. Once again, really worried about Global Warming and rising water levels.

Just because it isn't happening as quickly as some predicted, doesn't mean it isn't happening. When you start having 100-degree temperatures in the arctic circle, it is bound to have a tremendous effect on the circle of life. If you want to keep ignoring it, go ahead. Continue to be a part of the problem. God won't be saving people in 100 years.


Global warming is something to try and mitigate, but humanity is not at risk of dying off because of it.



That's a bold statement. It flies in the face of what most scientists are saying. What is your degree in?

Is it going to cost lives in your lifetime? Perhaps not. It doesn't mean we aren't headed in that direction. Is it imminent? Well, you could ask the people of Texas, Louisiana, Florida and California for starters. Try getting insurance for that house along the coast in Florida. The insurance companies agree.

Denying climate change is very similar to those that deny COVID-19. Like it or not, not every issue in society is a liberal versus conservative argument. It just is what it is. Why some continuously want to deny real science is a bit puzzling to me.

Have you looked at the comparison images of the arctic circle? Just because your politicians are denying it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. 97% of scientists agree that global warming exists due to human activities. You know, the people that actually study these things. https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/


Why would you cut off my posts and quote it incomplete?

I also wrote: "Maybe you are not saying what you appear to be saying, but is hard to tell with your bringing God into it and being super vague. But I just want to clear that if the absolutely worst global warming predictions happen, humanity will still be surviving and thriving on Earth 100 years from now.

Just like I was not saying we should move to Afghanistan, I am also not saying that nothing bad could happen and that no one would be impacted. Please respond to only what I am actually writing. Humanity is NOT at threat of extinction because of global warming. None at all. Not even if we burn every known fossil fuel there is."

I saw how you tried and purposefully misconstrued a different post I made and I asked you not to that again, you cut that part out of my post and pretend I never wrote what I wrote and the bolded above?

That is so disingenuous!

I wrote: "I am also not saying that nothing bad could happen and that no one would be impacted."


And then you go off on a lame tangent as if I was a denier or am refuting science or something. Not in the slightest.


If you did not have such a long history of being a lying troll, I would try and give you the benefit of the doubt, but 20+ years of seeing how slimy you can be carries a lot of weight.


NEWSFLASH!




unome -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/10/2020 5:42:12 PM)

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You literally said; Global warming is something to try and mitigate, but humanity is not at risk of dying off because of it.

I responded to it because I disagree.


Humans could die because of a weather event that could have been exacerbated by global warming, but when I wrote: "humanity", I meant the whole species.

And humanity, the whole species, is not at risk of dying off because of global warming whether you agree with that statement or not.




unome -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/10/2020 5:43:03 PM)

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NEWSFLASH!


The joke is on me for expecting better from Brad.




thebigo -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/10/2020 5:45:11 PM)

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2. It also bothers me that you never hear the positives of global warming. In fact, my writing "positives of global warming" is so opposite to the groupthink of what we are fed that it may sound disjointed. However, more CO2 is a wonderful thing if you are a plant. And the world is literally getting greener because of more CO2.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth




Which of course means more oxygen.




unome -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/10/2020 5:56:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: unome


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2. It also bothers me that you never hear the positives of global warming. In fact, my writing "positives of global warming" is so opposite to the groupthink of what we are fed that it may sound disjointed. However, more CO2 is a wonderful thing if you are a plant. And the world is literally getting greener because of more CO2.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth




Which of course means more oxygen.


And less CO2.

There is a pretty easy partial solution to global warming that would have positive add-on benefits.

Desalinize a lot of ocean water and pump it into the desert areas and grow a lot of plants. This should mitigate ocean rise a bit and we could use this water to grow a ton of plant life where there currently is none. What would the plants do? Take CO2 from the air and sequester it.

We could also grow a lot of crops on this land as well.

Would the desalinization plants and pipelines cost a lot? Sure, but they would cost far less than the Green New Deal and they would produce economic benefits and societal ones (like less starving people).

We could do this on the West Coast of the US and use the water to produce crops, and give drinking water, in CA, AZ, NM and even West Texas. This could be also done in Mexico, Australia, the Sahara, the Arabian Peninsula. We have a ton of land that could be used to grow plants/trees on.




Bill Jandro -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/10/2020 5:57:44 PM)

The biggest problem besides the receding polar ice caps. Is that the plankton in the ocean is disappearing at an alarming rate.

5 REASONS TO THANK PLANKTON THAT YOU’RE ALIVE TODAY.

1. Plankton make up 95 per cent of ocean life
2. They form the base of aquatic food webs
3. They generate half of the atmosphere’s oxygen
4. They help absorb carbon emissions
5. But our increasing emissions are harming them




Daniel Lee Young -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/10/2020 6:05:14 PM)

Look up trapped methane and ocean temperature rise.

To state that humans can survive a global warming extreme even using up all fossil fuels..

Demonstrates a sever lack of understanding a biome.

Seriously, if that comes out of your I’ll informed thought process... we can live thru a climat change.....

Just, WOW...[sm=pullhair.gif][sm=smiley1.jpg]

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