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unome -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/11/2020 9:19:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H At this point, I don't think we have the necessary data to even define herd immunity. What about the people that have turned up getting the virus twice? There is no guarantees that it will not reappear. Everyone assumes that once you have gotten over it, it is gone for good. We don't know that. From what I understand about viruses (which is very little), they morph over time. Good points. My guess is you could get the virus again, but normally it would be in a much weakened form since there would be antibodies. The antibodies, or actually the T-cells, seem like they would help fight off the mutations. This is supported from my one article that I linked yesterday that is an amazing piece: "Recent studies have suggested that antibodies from the coronavirus seem to stick around for only two to three months in some people. While work on T cells and the coronavirus is only getting started — testing T cells is much more laborious than antibody testing — previous research has shown that, in general, T cells tend to last years longer. One of the first peer-reviewed studies on the coronavirus and T cells was published in mid-May in the journal Cell by Alessandro Sette, Shane Crotty and others at the La Jolla Institute for Immunology near San Diego. The group was researching blood from people who were recovering from coronavirus infections and wanted to compare that to samples from uninfected controls who were donors to a blood bank from 2015 to 2018. The researchers were floored to find that in 40 to 60 percent of the old samples, the T cells seemed to recognize SARS-CoV-2. “The virus didn’t even exist back then, so to have this immune response was remarkable,” Sette said. Research teams from five other locations reported similar findings. In a study from the Netherlands, T cells reacted to the virus in 20 percent of the samples. In Germany, 34 percent. In Singapore, 50 percent. The different teams hypothesized this could be due to previous exposure to similar pathogens. Perhaps fortuitously, SARS-CoV-2 is part of a large family of viruses. Two of them — SARS and MERS — are deadly and led to relatively brief and contained outbreaks. Four other coronavirus variants, which cause the common cold, circulate widely each year but typically result in only mild symptoms. Sette calls them the “less-evil cousins of SARS-CoV-2.” https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/forty-percent-of-people-with-coronavirus-infections-have-no-symptoms-might-they-be-the-key-to-ending-the-pandemic/ar-BB17JpdS?li=BBorjTa This is pretty interesting because when you look at COVID-19 mortality number, Singapore did a lot better than Germany and Germany did a lot better than the Netherlands. Essentially, we all may have had a degree of immunity to COVID-19 had we just been infected with a mild coronavirus in our somewhat recent past. All our kids sneezing and coughing on us in the past few years may end up saving us. Thanks, kids!

Brad H -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/11/2020 9:26:47 AM)
My biggest concern over the virus right now is that the people at the top have a history in selling high-price condos, real estate and country club memberships. That's another argument for another day. Specifically, November 3rd.

unome -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/11/2020 9:34:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H My biggest concern over the virus right now is that the people at the top have a history in selling high-price condos, real estate and country club memberships. Nice one. Trump actually has some positive qualities and skills to go along with his mind-numbingly terrible personality, but he was uniquely unqualified, in terms of temperament and judgement, to be the national leader during a pandemic. Looking back and I think everyone of the past Presidents, or even losing candidates, would have done a better job. Obama, Bush, both Clintons, McCain, Romney, any of them.

Brad H -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/11/2020 9:40:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: unome quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H My biggest concern over the virus right now is that the people at the top have a history in selling high-price condos, real estate and country club memberships. Nice one. Trump actually has some positive qualities and skills to go along with his mind-numbingly terrible personality, but he was uniquely unqualified, in terms of temperament and judgement, to be the national leader during a pandemic. Looking back and I think everyone of the past Presidents, or even losing candidates, would have done a better job. Obama, Bush, both Clintons, McCain, Romney, any of them. As I said before the last election, we are asking a plumber to run an airline. Many conservatives over the past two decades have been asking for someone with business experience in the White House. On the surface, it seems to have been an abject failure at every turn. Running a country is nothing like running a business. You have to have political savvy and political willpower to run a country like the United States, effectively. A little empathy and humility can go a long ways as well. He has none of the above. He made a killing off the image of saying, "you're fired". Why people expected anything different is a bit puzzling to me. Trump's gross negligence on the job has dug us into a deep hole, both economically and spiritually. His concur and divide approach has left us with irreparable damage.

unome -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/11/2020 9:50:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: unome quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H My biggest concern over the virus right now is that the people at the top have a history in selling high-price condos, real estate and country club memberships. Nice one. Trump actually has some positive qualities and skills to go along with his mind-numbingly terrible personality, but he was uniquely unqualified, in terms of temperament and judgement, to be the national leader during a pandemic. Looking back and I think everyone of the past Presidents, or even losing candidates, would have done a better job. Obama, Bush, both Clintons, McCain, Romney, any of them. As I said before the last election, we are asking a plumber to run an airline. Many conservatives over the past two decades have been asking for someone with business experience in the White House. On the surface, it seems to have been an abject failure at every turn. Running a country is nothing like running a business. You have to have political savvy and political willpower to run a country like the United States, effectively. He has neither. He made a killing off the image of saying, "you're fired". I think many business leaders would have done an admirable job though. I think Mark Cuban, Warren Buffet, obviously Bill Gates, or even Charles Koch would have done a much better job than Trump in pandemic management. IMO, it is Trump's personality that ruins his ability to lead. Being confrontational, intuitive and brash may have worked for Trump in business and reality TV, but it is not what the country needed in 2020.

Brad H -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/11/2020 9:51:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: unome quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: unome quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H My biggest concern over the virus right now is that the people at the top have a history in selling high-price condos, real estate and country club memberships. Nice one. Trump actually has some positive qualities and skills to go along with his mind-numbingly terrible personality, but he was uniquely unqualified, in terms of temperament and judgement, to be the national leader during a pandemic. Looking back and I think everyone of the past Presidents, or even losing candidates, would have done a better job. Obama, Bush, both Clintons, McCain, Romney, any of them. As I said before the last election, we are asking a plumber to run an airline. Many conservatives over the past two decades have been asking for someone with business experience in the White House. On the surface, it seems to have been an abject failure at every turn. Running a country is nothing like running a business. You have to have political savvy and political willpower to run a country like the United States, effectively. He has neither. He made a killing off the image of saying, "you're fired". I think many business leaders would have done an admirable job though. I think Mark Cuban, Warren Buffet, obviously Bill Gates, or even Charles Koch would have done a much better job than Trump in pandemic management. IMO, it is Trump's personality that ruins his ability to lead. Being confrontational, intuitive and brash may have worked for Trump in business and reality TV, but it is not what the country needed in 2020. I would agree with that. If you have to choose a business person, at least choose one with a history of more successes than failures. A snake oil salesman appears to have been a bad choice. I love Buffet, Cuban or Gates. I would vote for any of those guys in a heartbeat.

unome -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/11/2020 9:54:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H A snake oil salesman appears to have been a bad choice. [&:][&:]

Brad H -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/11/2020 9:59:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: unome quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H A snake oil salesman appears to have been a bad choice. [&:][&:] A salesman without humility or conscience is the worst form of a human being, IMO. If you were dying in the desert and Trump came by, he may give you a glass of water, but he would bump up the price as a result of supply and demand. He wouldn't just give you the water out of the goodness of his heart. He could care less if you live or die. He is capitalism in its worst form.

David Levine -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/11/2020 9:59:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: unome quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: unome quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H My biggest concern over the virus right now is that the people at the top have a history in selling high-price condos, real estate and country club memberships. Nice one. Trump actually has some positive qualities and skills to go along with his mind-numbingly terrible personality, but he was uniquely unqualified, in terms of temperament and judgement, to be the national leader during a pandemic. Looking back and I think everyone of the past Presidents, or even losing candidates, would have done a better job. Obama, Bush, both Clintons, McCain, Romney, any of them. As I said before the last election, we are asking a plumber to run an airline. Many conservatives over the past two decades have been asking for someone with business experience in the White House. On the surface, it seems to have been an abject failure at every turn. Running a country is nothing like running a business. You have to have political savvy and political willpower to run a country like the United States, effectively. He has neither. He made a killing off the image of saying, "you're fired". I think many business leaders would have done an admirable job though. I think Mark Cuban, Warren Buffet, obviously Bill Gates, or even Charles Koch would have done a much better job than Trump in pandemic management. IMO, it is Trump's personality that ruins his ability to lead. Being confrontational, intuitive and brash may have worked for Trump in business and reality TV, but it is not what the country needed in 2020. I would agree with that. If you have to choose a business person, at least choose one with a history of more successes than failures. A snake oil salesman appears to have been a bad choice. I love Buffet, Cuban or Gates. I would vote for any of those guys in a heartbeat. Absolutely. He's a guy whose biggest successes were as a front man with his dad doing all the work behind the scenes. Left to his own devices, he managed to bankrupt FIVE casinos. That should be nearly unpossible.

David Levine -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/11/2020 10:34:13 AM)
There has been a 90% increase in the number of Covid-19 cases among US children over the last four weeks, according to a report published Monday by the American Academy of Pediatrics and the Children’s Hospital Association. https://www.facebook.com/CNNReplay/videos/694083354507288

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/11/2020 11:04:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: unome I think many business leaders would have done an admirable job though. I think Mark Cuban, Warren Buffet, obviously Bill Gates, or even Charles Koch would have done a much better job than Trump in pandemic management. IMO, it is Trump's personality that ruins his ability to lead. Being confrontational, intuitive and brash may have worked for Trump in business and reality TV, but it is not what the country needed in 2020. INTUITIVE? You mean counterintuitive... right?

Mark Anderson -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/11/2020 11:13:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro The biggest problem besides the receding polar ice caps. Is that the plankton in the ocean is disappearing at an alarming rate. 5 REASONS TO THANK PLANKTON THAT YOU’RE ALIVE TODAY. 1. Plankton make up 95 per cent of ocean life 2. They form the base of aquatic food webs 3. They generate half of the atmosphere’s oxygen 4. They help absorb carbon emissions 5. But our increasing emissions are harming them Shhhhhhhhh. Don't throw reality at the boy. He's got his hands full with COVID-19. Only one disaster at a time. We have completely lost our way as a country. When you start putting your financial desires over the health and well-being of your kids and society, you have really failed miserably as a nation. But, you have the other side pandering for votes without any regard for people's safety. Sitting on your hands watching a mob do 55B dollars in damage to a city and its people should automatically disqualify you from public office.

TJSweens -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/11/2020 11:18:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young quote: ORIGINAL: unome I think many business leaders would have done an admirable job though. I think Mark Cuban, Warren Buffet, obviously Bill Gates, or even Charles Koch would have done a much better job than Trump in pandemic management. IMO, it is Trump's personality that ruins his ability to lead. Being confrontational, intuitive and brash may have worked for Trump in business and reality TV, but it is not what the country needed in 2020. INTUITIVE? You mean counterintuitive... right? Donald Trump's legendary prowess as a business man is one of the great farces of our time. His father was the shrewd business man who did everything behind the scenes for Donald's Manhattan projects. Donald was just the promoter. Agent Orange went on his own for his Atlantic City dealings and it was a massive failure. Daddy had to keep siphoning money from his own incredibly successful and lucrative business to keep Donald afloat. Despite Fred's best efforts, Donald managed to lose money on Casinos and filed bankruptcy six times. After Fred died, Donald sold off his dad's empire, Trump Management, for 70 cents on the dollar to keep his ventures in Atlantic City afloat.

Mark Anderson -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/11/2020 11:42:06 AM)
Football practice started in ND yesterday. It will be interesting to see how it goes. Our school starts Aug. 26th. Masks in hallways and lunch lines or wherever you can't social distance. They can take them off in classroom(where they will be social distanced). Take into account that we only average 12-15 students per grade. You can opt out. Once you opt out though, you can't come back until next quarter.

Bill Jandro -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/11/2020 11:48:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson Football practice started in ND yesterday. It will be interesting to see how it goes. Our school starts Aug. 26th. Masks in hallways and lunch lines or wherever you can't social distance. They can take them off in classroom(where they will be social distanced). Take into account that we only average 12-15 students per grade. I was up fishing at Devil's Lake about a month ago. From what i researched ND has a very small% of covid cases and most seemed to be in Fargo. Hope it goes well up there.

Mark Anderson -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/11/2020 11:51:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson Football practice started in ND yesterday. It will be interesting to see how it goes. Our school starts Aug. 26th. Masks in hallways and lunch lines or wherever you can't social distance. They can take them off in classroom(where they will be social distanced). Take into account that we only average 12-15 students per grade. I was up fishing at Devil's Lake about a month ago. From what i researched ND has a very small% of covid cases and most seemed to be in Fargo. Hope it goes well up there. There have been a few more now in rural areas. A lot more testing has been going on.

Brad H -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/11/2020 12:09:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro The biggest problem besides the receding polar ice caps. Is that the plankton in the ocean is disappearing at an alarming rate. 5 REASONS TO THANK PLANKTON THAT YOU’RE ALIVE TODAY. 1. Plankton make up 95 per cent of ocean life 2. They form the base of aquatic food webs 3. They generate half of the atmosphere’s oxygen 4. They help absorb carbon emissions 5. But our increasing emissions are harming them Shhhhhhhhh. Don't throw reality at the boy. He's got his hands full with COVID-19. Only one disaster at a time. We have completely lost our way as a country. When you start putting your financial desires over the health and well-being of your kids and society, you have really failed miserably as a nation. But, you have the other side pandering for votes without any regard for people's safety. Sitting on your hands watching a mob do 55B dollars in damage to a city and its people should automatically disqualify you from public office. self-deleted

thebigo -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/11/2020 12:16:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro The biggest problem besides the receding polar ice caps. Is that the plankton in the ocean is disappearing at an alarming rate. 5 REASONS TO THANK PLANKTON THAT YOU’RE ALIVE TODAY. 1. Plankton make up 95 per cent of ocean life 2. They form the base of aquatic food webs 3. They generate half of the atmosphere’s oxygen 4. They help absorb carbon emissions 5. But our increasing emissions are harming them Shhhhhhhhh. Don't throw reality at the boy. He's got his hands full with COVID-19. Only one disaster at a time. We have completely lost our way as a country. When you start putting your financial desires over the health and well-being of your kids and society, you have really failed miserably as a nation. But, you have the other side pandering for votes without any regard for people's safety. Sitting on your hands watching a mob do 55B dollars in damage to a city and its people should automatically disqualify you from public office. As far as I'm concerned it does. I'll be voting strictly party line repub, including Trump. And this from a middle of the road, left leaning guy, all the way up to Hillary.

Brad H -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/11/2020 12:23:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro The biggest problem besides the receding polar ice caps. Is that the plankton in the ocean is disappearing at an alarming rate. 5 REASONS TO THANK PLANKTON THAT YOU’RE ALIVE TODAY. 1. Plankton make up 95 per cent of ocean life 2. They form the base of aquatic food webs 3. They generate half of the atmosphere’s oxygen 4. They help absorb carbon emissions 5. But our increasing emissions are harming them Shhhhhhhhh. Don't throw reality at the boy. He's got his hands full with COVID-19. Only one disaster at a time. We have completely lost our way as a country. When you start putting your financial desires over the health and well-being of your kids and society, you have really failed miserably as a nation. But, you have the other side pandering for votes without any regard for people's safety. Sitting on your hands watching a mob do 55B dollars in damage to a city and its people should automatically disqualify you from public office. As far as I'm concerned it does. I'll be voting strictly party line repub, including Trump. And this from a middle of the road, left leaning guy, all the way up to Hillary. self-deleted

thebigo -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/11/2020 12:26:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson Football practice started in ND yesterday. It will be interesting to see how it goes. Our school starts Aug. 26th. Masks in hallways and lunch lines or wherever you can't social distance. They can take them off in classroom(where they will be social distanced). Take into account that we only average 12-15 students per grade. I was up fishing at Devil's Lake about a month ago. From what i researched ND has a very small% of covid cases and most seemed to be in Fargo. Hope it goes well up there. There have been a few more now in rural areas. A lot more testing has been going on. In Minnesota at least, this recent swoon in cases is purely a hype/left loving media creation. Even though they have recently been performing 2x-3x the daily tests vs the COVID high points of April-May, there are actually fewer daily cases. In fact, the % of positive cases per test since June 3 is 4%, from 4/13 to 6/1 that number was 12%. So the swoon in deaths that the media so desperately craves, and has the sheep cringing in their bubbles, isn't going to happen.

Brad H -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/11/2020 12:28:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson Football practice started in ND yesterday. It will be interesting to see how it goes. Our school starts Aug. 26th. Masks in hallways and lunch lines or wherever you can't social distance. They can take them off in classroom(where they will be social distanced). Take into account that we only average 12-15 students per grade. I was up fishing at Devil's Lake about a month ago. From what i researched ND has a very small% of covid cases and most seemed to be in Fargo. Hope it goes well up there. There have been a few more now in rural areas. A lot more testing has been going on. In Minnesota at least, this recent swoon in cases is purely a hype/left loving media creation. self-deleted

David F. -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/11/2020 12:37:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro The biggest problem besides the receding polar ice caps. Is that the plankton in the ocean is disappearing at an alarming rate. 5 REASONS TO THANK PLANKTON THAT YOU’RE ALIVE TODAY. 1. Plankton make up 95 per cent of ocean life 2. They form the base of aquatic food webs 3. They generate half of the atmosphere’s oxygen 4. They help absorb carbon emissions 5. But our increasing emissions are harming them Shhhhhhhhh. Don't throw reality at the boy. He's got his hands full with COVID-19. Only one disaster at a time. We have completely lost our way as a country. When you start putting your financial desires over the health and well-being of your kids and society, you have really failed miserably as a nation. But, you have the other side pandering for votes without any regard for people's safety. Sitting on your hands watching a mob do 55B dollars in damage to a city and its people should automatically disqualify you from public office. When you watch Star Wars do you cringe when the domestic terrorists, led by Luke Skywalker, do trillions of dollars of damage to government property at the end of A New Hope?

Bill Johanesen -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/11/2020 12:38:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson Football practice started in ND yesterday. It will be interesting to see how it goes. Our school starts Aug. 26th. Masks in hallways and lunch lines or wherever you can't social distance. They can take them off in classroom(where they will be social distanced). Take into account that we only average 12-15 students per grade. I was up fishing at Devil's Lake about a month ago. From what i researched ND has a very small% of covid cases and most seemed to be in Fargo. Hope it goes well up there. There have been a few more now in rural areas. A lot more testing has been going on. In Minnesota at least, this recent swoon in cases is purely a hype/left loving media creation. Even though they have recently been performing 2x-3x the daily tests vs the COVID high points of April-May, there are actually fewer daily cases. In fact, the % of positive cases per test since June 3 is 4%, from 4/13 to 6/1 that number was 12%. So the swoon in deaths that the media so desperately craves, and has the sheep cringing in their bubbles, isn't going to happen. Way to isolate the current situation in Minnesota then in the next sentence conclude with a futuristic extrapolation of the nation.

Brad H -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/11/2020 12:41:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson Football practice started in ND yesterday. It will be interesting to see how it goes. Our school starts Aug. 26th. Masks in hallways and lunch lines or wherever you can't social distance. They can take them off in classroom(where they will be social distanced). Take into account that we only average 12-15 students per grade. I was up fishing at Devil's Lake about a month ago. From what i researched ND has a very small% of covid cases and most seemed to be in Fargo. Hope it goes well up there. There have been a few more now in rural areas. A lot more testing has been going on. In Minnesota at least, this recent swoon in cases is purely a hype/left loving media creation. Even though they have recently been performing 2x-3x the daily tests vs the COVID high points of April-May, there are actually fewer daily cases. In fact, the % of positive cases per test since June 3 is 4%, from 4/13 to 6/1 that number was 12%. So the swoon in deaths that the media so desperately craves, and has the sheep cringing in their bubbles, isn't going to happen. Way to isolate the current situation in Minnesota then in the next sentence conclude with a futuristic extrapolation of the nation. Like I said, these people completely forget the fact that the virus is spreading around the entire globe. They never seem to want to take a look outside of their very small sphere. It's a massive oversimplification to say that it is media-driven. Does the media have flaws? Sure it does.

thebigo -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/11/2020 12:43:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson Football practice started in ND yesterday. It will be interesting to see how it goes. Our school starts Aug. 26th. Masks in hallways and lunch lines or wherever you can't social distance. They can take them off in classroom(where they will be social distanced). Take into account that we only average 12-15 students per grade. I was up fishing at Devil's Lake about a month ago. From what i researched ND has a very small% of covid cases and most seemed to be in Fargo. Hope it goes well up there. There have been a few more now in rural areas. A lot more testing has been going on. In Minnesota at least, this recent swoon in cases is purely a hype/left loving media creation. Prove it. I would give that argument some credence if the virus weren't effecting the entire planet. It's a massive oversimplification of what is a very complex problem. It is what Trump does. He oversimplifies things to appeal to the masses. Black and white, sells. Pick a side. Unfortunately, there is a lot of grey area in the world. He and his followers are just too shallow to see it. The proof is in the part of the post that you didn't include. But that is what you do. Quote my entire post then I will provide the data behind it.

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