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Bruce Johnson -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/3/2020 5:36:44 PM)
So I went back to work today for the first time in about 2 1/2 months. I did ok, but when I came home I took a three hour nap. Then I woke up and talked to a friend from Missouri for an hour who wanted to know how I was doing. And then I did a little yard work- not too much.

kgdabom -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/3/2020 5:41:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson So I went back to work today for the first time in about 2 1/2 months. I did ok, but when I came home I took a three hour nap. Then I woke up and talked to a friend from Missouri for an hour who wanted to know how I was doing. And then I did a little yard work- not too much. Sounds great. Don't rush yourself.

Ricky J -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/5/2020 10:51:53 AM)
Big wedding in our rural county two weeks ago. Our numbers for the county increased 30 in a blink.

kgdabom -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/5/2020 10:53:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J Big wedding in our rural county two weeks ago. Our numbers for the county increased 30 in a blink. Ouch. I say attend the wedding, but use reasonable precautions. If you have a reception make it a no alcohol event.

McMurfy -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/5/2020 1:34:45 PM)
The McMurfy Plan has been picking up traction. Part 1- We isolate and quarantine all Basketball and Football Players and Staffs. Part 2- We Federalize, temporarily, Amazon, Target, Walmart, Kroger. Part 3- We shut down everything, and I mean everything from Nov1-Jan 3 Medical Workers are escorted to and from Work by the Military who also deliver food for the Federalized Companies mentioned above. We stay home, work from home, and watch sports for two months. We Vote by Mail. We Vote online. We emerge with No Virus. Open Schools, and a return to normal. A perfect plan with no holes, No Better than what we will do? Absolutely.

Bill Jandro -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/5/2020 2:41:37 PM)
No hunting or fishing is not a good plan

McMurfy -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/5/2020 2:49:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro No hunting or fishing is not a good plan Nope, We cover that in the FAQs I hunt and fish as much as anyone. Game Bounce. We resume Seasons on the 2021 schedule.

SoMnFan -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/5/2020 3:11:31 PM)
I'm in Can I get a hat?

unome -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/5/2020 8:14:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: McMurfy The McMurfy Plan has been picking up traction. Part 1- We isolate and quarantine all Basketball and Football Players and Staffs. Part 2- We Federalize, temporarily, Amazon, Target, Walmart, Kroger. Part 3- We shut down everything, and I mean everything from Nov1-Jan 3 Medical Workers are escorted to and from Work by the Military who also deliver food for the Federalized Companies mentioned above. We stay home, work from home, and watch sports for two months. We Vote by Mail. We Vote online. We emerge with No Virus. Open Schools, and a return to normal. A perfect plan with no holes, No Better than what we will do? Absolutely. The amount of damage this would do to the economy is almost beyond measure. The damage to retail alone to be closed over that time off year would be crushing. Black Friday is so-called because that is the first day of the year many retail stores are 'in the black' for the year. Also, to federalize Amazon, Target, Walmart, Kroger, etc., even temporarily, is completely illegal and that part of the plan would be ended with a quick trip to the courthouse. And while some could work from home, and most of those already are, shutting down "everything, and I mean everything" implies things like food processing plants and other vital areas. So that is not happening The solution should never be more damaging than the problem. Plus, cases nationwide are going down the last few days. Wear masks, socially distance and let's stop doing stupid things that anyone with half a brain should know can spread the disease. COVID is bad, but it is not bad enough to destroy the whole economy over.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/5/2020 9:11:31 PM)
In the 19th Century even here in the US doctors would bleed some of their sick patients. Yes, sometimes the treatment is worse than the illness.

David Levine -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/5/2020 9:19:50 PM)
None of this should be happening. It must be terrifying for the students and teachers. The Truth Behind A Viral Picture Of A Reopening School Is Worse Than It Looked An alarming photo of a hallway crowded by mostly maskless students in a Georgia high school raises issues with reopening schools all around the country. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/mollyhensleyclancy/georgia-school-reopening-photo-paulding-county

unome -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/5/2020 9:35:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine None of this should be happening. It must be terrifying for the students and teachers. The Truth Behind A Viral Picture Of A Reopening School Is Worse Than It Looked An alarming photo of a hallway crowded by mostly maskless students in a Georgia high school raises issues with reopening schools all around the country. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/mollyhensleyclancy/georgia-school-reopening-photo-paulding-county I agree, if that is how a school is going to do mask usage and social distancing in August 2020, this is not going to go well. Do in-class learning as safely as possible, or do not do it at all.

Bruce Johnson -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/6/2020 4:22:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: unome quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine None of this should be happening. It must be terrifying for the students and teachers. The Truth Behind A Viral Picture Of A Reopening School Is Worse Than It Looked An alarming photo of a hallway crowded by mostly maskless students in a Georgia high school raises issues with reopening schools all around the country. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/mollyhensleyclancy/georgia-school-reopening-photo-paulding-county I agree, if that is how a school is going to do mask usage and social distancing in August 2020, this is not going to go well. Do in-class learning as safely as possible, or do not do it at all. It might be the new normal. (to wear masks and social distance) I hope not.

Bill Jandro -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/6/2020 6:20:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine None of this should be happening. It must be terrifying for the students and teachers. The Truth Behind A Viral Picture Of A Reopening School Is Worse Than It Looked An alarming photo of a hallway crowded by mostly maskless students in a Georgia high school raises issues with reopening schools all around the country. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/mollyhensleyclancy/georgia-school-reopening-photo-paulding-county Buzzfeednews? Is that even real?

TJSweens -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/6/2020 7:48:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine None of this should be happening. It must be terrifying for the students and teachers. The Truth Behind A Viral Picture Of A Reopening School Is Worse Than It Looked An alarming photo of a hallway crowded by mostly maskless students in a Georgia high school raises issues with reopening schools all around the country. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/mollyhensleyclancy/georgia-school-reopening-photo-paulding-county Buzzfeednews? Is that even real? Yes.

Mark Anderson -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/6/2020 8:29:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: unome quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine None of this should be happening. It must be terrifying for the students and teachers. The Truth Behind A Viral Picture Of A Reopening School Is Worse Than It Looked An alarming photo of a hallway crowded by mostly maskless students in a Georgia high school raises issues with reopening schools all around the country. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/mollyhensleyclancy/georgia-school-reopening-photo-paulding-county I agree, if that is how a school is going to do mask usage and social distancing in August 2020, this is not going to go well. Do in-class learning as safely as possible, or do not do it at all. It might be the new normal. (to wear masks and social distance) I hope not. We need schools to be smart and take the precautions. Because the online learning is a joke(at least around here it was).

Lynn G. -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/6/2020 8:37:14 AM)
Online learning in the fall of 2020 might look quite different than it did in the spring of 2020. That was done on an emergency basis, with very little time to prepare. This fall, teachers and schools have had time to prepare and, if the local governments are worth anything, children without the proper electronic connections have been considered and the lack has been remedied. I have a lot of confidence in the distance learning strategy. That's not to say it's perfect, but it is much better than subjecting students and teachers to a deadly pandemic. If our communities would bite the bullet and really hunker down, schools might be able to actually re-open safely in a couple of months.

Brad H -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/6/2020 8:39:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: unome quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine None of this should be happening. It must be terrifying for the students and teachers. The Truth Behind A Viral Picture Of A Reopening School Is Worse Than It Looked An alarming photo of a hallway crowded by mostly maskless students in a Georgia high school raises issues with reopening schools all around the country. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/mollyhensleyclancy/georgia-school-reopening-photo-paulding-county I agree, if that is how a school is going to do mask usage and social distancing in August 2020, this is not going to go well. Do in-class learning as safely as possible, or do not do it at all. It might be the new normal. (to wear masks and social distance) I hope not. We need schools to be smart and take the precautions. Because the online learning is a joke(at least around here it was). Online teaching is the precaution. It may not go well, but schools do not have the resources to take all the necessary precautions to make things safe for everyone involved. People need to get rid of the idea of returning to normalcy any time soon. We are not living through normal times. We are in survival mode. Nobody wants a global pandemic. However, it is the cards we have been dealt and we need to make smart decisions. Online learning isn't perfect. Far from it. But it is an option that will get better over time as teachers become more familiar with the technology and learn new teaching strategies. Rather than throwing out the baby with the bathwater, we need to adapt and make it better. Dying for the sake of learning times tables should never be an option.

Mark Anderson -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/6/2020 8:45:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lynn G. Online learning in the fall of 2020 might look quite different than it did in the spring of 2020. That was done on an emergency basis, with very little time to prepare. This fall, teachers and schools have had time to prepare and, if the local governments are worth anything, children without the proper electronic connections have been considered and the lack has been remedied. I have a lot of confidence in the distance learning strategy. That's not to say it's perfect, but it is much better than subjecting students and teachers to a deadly pandemic. If our communities would bite the bullet and really hunker down, schools might be able to actually re-open safely in a couple of months. Yeah. Not sure how big schools can follow guidelines. Most small schools should be able to handle it if they do it right. Distance learning is a perfect storm for teachers who like to mail it in and students who want to cheat.

Brad H -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/6/2020 8:47:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Lynn G. Online learning in the fall of 2020 might look quite different than it did in the spring of 2020. That was done on an emergency basis, with very little time to prepare. This fall, teachers and schools have had time to prepare and, if the local governments are worth anything, children without the proper electronic connections have been considered and the lack has been remedied. I have a lot of confidence in the distance learning strategy. That's not to say it's perfect, but it is much better than subjecting students and teachers to a deadly pandemic. If our communities would bite the bullet and really hunker down, schools might be able to actually re-open safely in a couple of months. Yeah. Not sure how big schools can follow guidelines. Most small schools should be able to handle it if they do it right. Distance learning is a perfect storm for teachers who like to mail it in and students who want to cheat. How does that differ from any other faction of society? The same could be said for distance working. The good teachers are going to continue to be good teachers. The slackers are going to continue to be slackers. As I see it, nothing has really changed. The untold story is that parents are finally being forced to be parents. As a result of the pandemic, they no longer can count on the teachers to provide daycare for eight hours of every day. However, you can't ask an underpaid profession to put their health at-risk for the sake of parents having the ability to escape their kids five days a week. Grow a pair and be a parent. Yes, it will involve making some difficult choices. They may have to live with less for a couple of years. There is no simple solution.

Mark Anderson -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/6/2020 8:58:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Lynn G. Online learning in the fall of 2020 might look quite different than it did in the spring of 2020. That was done on an emergency basis, with very little time to prepare. This fall, teachers and schools have had time to prepare and, if the local governments are worth anything, children without the proper electronic connections have been considered and the lack has been remedied. I have a lot of confidence in the distance learning strategy. That's not to say it's perfect, but it is much better than subjecting students and teachers to a deadly pandemic. If our communities would bite the bullet and really hunker down, schools might be able to actually re-open safely in a couple of months. Yeah. Not sure how big schools can follow guidelines. Most small schools should be able to handle it if they do it right. Distance learning is a perfect storm for teachers who like to mail it in and students who want to cheat. How does that differ from any other faction of society? The same could be said for distance working. The good teachers are going to continue to be good teachers. The slackers are going to continue to be slackers. As I see it, nothing has really changed. Students have a tougher time cheating in school. The risk of dying if you catch it is like one third of one percent. Probably 10 times less than that in kids. Having said this, give all at risk kids and teachers, janitors, etc... the option of staying home and getting unemployment(not being fired). All the rest should go to school with precautions. We(ND) had someone(hospital) already stoking fear(cashing in is more like it) when they claimed a covid death for a 20 year old when it was really a drug overdose. Vaccine right after the election should ease the fears also.

Brad H -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/6/2020 9:05:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Lynn G. Online learning in the fall of 2020 might look quite different than it did in the spring of 2020. That was done on an emergency basis, with very little time to prepare. This fall, teachers and schools have had time to prepare and, if the local governments are worth anything, children without the proper electronic connections have been considered and the lack has been remedied. I have a lot of confidence in the distance learning strategy. That's not to say it's perfect, but it is much better than subjecting students and teachers to a deadly pandemic. If our communities would bite the bullet and really hunker down, schools might be able to actually re-open safely in a couple of months. Yeah. Not sure how big schools can follow guidelines. Most small schools should be able to handle it if they do it right. Distance learning is a perfect storm for teachers who like to mail it in and students who want to cheat. How does that differ from any other faction of society? The same could be said for distance working. The good teachers are going to continue to be good teachers. The slackers are going to continue to be slackers. As I see it, nothing has really changed. Students have a tougher time cheating in school. The risk of dying if you catch it is like one third of one percent. Probably 10 times less than that in kids. Having said this, give all at risk kids and teachers, janitors, etc... the option of staying home and getting unemployment(not being fired). All the rest should go to school with precautions. We(ND) had someone(hospital) already stoking fear(cashing in is more like it) when they claimed a covid death for a 20 year old when it was really a drug overdose. Vaccine right after the election should ease the fears also. You really can't say that. There is no basis for those numbers. One of the reasons kids have been less at-risk is because they were forced to stay home during the spring. Now, suddenly, you are going to put them in a less safe environment for eight hours a day and then send them home to their parents and families. It's a ridiculous premise and a recipe for disaster. As a country, our leadership has made one bad decision after another. It is why was have 26% of the infections in the world with 4% of the population. If 1/3rd of one percent of the country died, that would mean approximately 960,000 deaths. Is that a good course of action? At some point we need to learn from past mistakes.

Mark Anderson -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/6/2020 9:09:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Lynn G. Online learning in the fall of 2020 might look quite different than it did in the spring of 2020. That was done on an emergency basis, with very little time to prepare. This fall, teachers and schools have had time to prepare and, if the local governments are worth anything, children without the proper electronic connections have been considered and the lack has been remedied. I have a lot of confidence in the distance learning strategy. That's not to say it's perfect, but it is much better than subjecting students and teachers to a deadly pandemic. If our communities would bite the bullet and really hunker down, schools might be able to actually re-open safely in a couple of months. Yeah. Not sure how big schools can follow guidelines. Most small schools should be able to handle it if they do it right. Distance learning is a perfect storm for teachers who like to mail it in and students who want to cheat. How does that differ from any other faction of society? The same could be said for distance working. The good teachers are going to continue to be good teachers. The slackers are going to continue to be slackers. As I see it, nothing has really changed. Students have a tougher time cheating in school. The risk of dying if you catch it is like one third of one percent. Probably 10 times less than that in kids. Having said this, give all at risk kids and teachers, janitors, etc... the option of staying home and getting unemployment(not being fired). All the rest should go to school with precautions. We(ND) had someone(hospital) already stoking fear(cashing in is more like it) when they claimed a covid death for a 20 year old when it was really a drug overdose. Vaccine right after the election should ease the fears also. You really can't say that. There is no basis for those numbers. One of the reasons kids have been less at-risk is because they were forced to stay home during the spring. Now, suddenly, you are going to put them in a less safe environment for eight hours a day and then send them home to their parents and families. It's a ridiculous premise and a recipe for disaster. As a country, our leaderships has made one bad decision after another. It is why was have 26% of the infections in the world with 4% of the population. If 1/3rd of one percent of the country died, that would mean approximately 960,000 deaths. Is that a good course of action? Maybe 1/1000th of 1 percent in school age kids. Like I said. The option to stay home for higher risk people should be allowed without a penalty to these people.

Brad H -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/6/2020 9:14:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Lynn G. Online learning in the fall of 2020 might look quite different than it did in the spring of 2020. That was done on an emergency basis, with very little time to prepare. This fall, teachers and schools have had time to prepare and, if the local governments are worth anything, children without the proper electronic connections have been considered and the lack has been remedied. I have a lot of confidence in the distance learning strategy. That's not to say it's perfect, but it is much better than subjecting students and teachers to a deadly pandemic. If our communities would bite the bullet and really hunker down, schools might be able to actually re-open safely in a couple of months. Yeah. Not sure how big schools can follow guidelines. Most small schools should be able to handle it if they do it right. Distance learning is a perfect storm for teachers who like to mail it in and students who want to cheat. How does that differ from any other faction of society? The same could be said for distance working. The good teachers are going to continue to be good teachers. The slackers are going to continue to be slackers. As I see it, nothing has really changed. Students have a tougher time cheating in school. The risk of dying if you catch it is like one third of one percent. Probably 10 times less than that in kids. Having said this, give all at risk kids and teachers, janitors, etc... the option of staying home and getting unemployment(not being fired). All the rest should go to school with precautions. We(ND) had someone(hospital) already stoking fear(cashing in is more like it) when they claimed a covid death for a 20 year old when it was really a drug overdose. Vaccine right after the election should ease the fears also. You really can't say that. There is no basis for those numbers. One of the reasons kids have been less at-risk is because they were forced to stay home during the spring. Now, suddenly, you are going to put them in a less safe environment for eight hours a day and then send them home to their parents and families. It's a ridiculous premise and a recipe for disaster. As a country, our leaderships has made one bad decision after another. It is why was have 26% of the infections in the world with 4% of the population. If 1/3rd of one percent of the country died, that would mean approximately 960,000 deaths. Is that a good course of action? Maybe 1/1000th of 1 percent in school age kids. Like I said. They option to stay home for higher risk people should be allowed without a penalty to these people. That's all well and good if the kids are living in a bubble, but they aren't. At some point, all of them have to go home. If the virus spreads through the school like wildfire, AND IT WILL, then you have a recipe for disaster within the community. It isn't just about the kids. They may only be the carriers and have little to few symptoms, but they still carry home the virus. They don't just take care of themselves once they leave the school. There s a reason why there is no concerts and sporting events right now for fans. Because getting together in social situations is the best way to spread the virus. Have you not learned anything in five months?

Mark Anderson -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (8/6/2020 9:16:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Lynn G. Online learning in the fall of 2020 might look quite different than it did in the spring of 2020. That was done on an emergency basis, with very little time to prepare. This fall, teachers and schools have had time to prepare and, if the local governments are worth anything, children without the proper electronic connections have been considered and the lack has been remedied. I have a lot of confidence in the distance learning strategy. That's not to say it's perfect, but it is much better than subjecting students and teachers to a deadly pandemic. If our communities would bite the bullet and really hunker down, schools might be able to actually re-open safely in a couple of months. Yeah. Not sure how big schools can follow guidelines. Most small schools should be able to handle it if they do it right. Distance learning is a perfect storm for teachers who like to mail it in and students who want to cheat. How does that differ from any other faction of society? The same could be said for distance working. The good teachers are going to continue to be good teachers. The slackers are going to continue to be slackers. As I see it, nothing has really changed. Students have a tougher time cheating in school. The risk of dying if you catch it is like one third of one percent. Probably 10 times less than that in kids. Having said this, give all at risk kids and teachers, janitors, etc... the option of staying home and getting unemployment(not being fired). All the rest should go to school with precautions. We(ND) had someone(hospital) already stoking fear(cashing in is more like it) when they claimed a covid death for a 20 year old when it was really a drug overdose. Vaccine right after the election should ease the fears also. You really can't say that. There is no basis for those numbers. One of the reasons kids have been less at-risk is because they were forced to stay home during the spring. Now, suddenly, you are going to put them in a less safe environment for eight hours a day and then send them home to their parents and families. It's a ridiculous premise and a recipe for disaster. As a country, our leadership has made one bad decision after another. It is why was have 26% of the infections in the world with 4% of the population. If 1/3rd of one percent of the country died, that would mean approximately 960,000 deaths. Is that a good course of action? At some point we need to learn from past mistakes. We have more infections than that. Probably 15 times the stated positive cases. Per the CDC. The death rate is highly inflated. As are the actual deaths caused by Covid. Hospitals(doctors) need to make ends meet when they can't do elective surgeries or not have as many visits(because people are scared). Mark Covid19 on Death Cerificate and get a check. Even CDC Director said it is going on. Having said all this. It is real and we need to take precautions.

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