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kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (5/4/2021 1:05:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom Ihmir Smith-Marsette highlights show that he's real good at making contested catches. On the other hand they show he often does not get separation. He didn't stand out in the highlights to me. Sort of a lunch pail type. Another Bisi Johnson, but he was way more productive. I give him a good chance to make the team. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L30As8-krd0 A chance. Lol. He'll be our 3. He's a lunch pail guy vs your 7th round wash out that you though would be a star. Opposite man. He might be our #3 because the competition is ridiculously bad.

kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (5/4/2021 1:08:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom Ihmir Smith-Marsette highlights show that he's real good at making contested catches. On the other hand they show he often does not get separation. He didn't stand out in the highlights to me. Sort of a lunch pail type. Another Bisi Johnson, but he was way more productive. I give him a good chance to make the team. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L30As8-krd0 A chance. Lol. He'll be our 3. He's a lunch pail guy vs your 7th round wash out that you though would be a star. Opposite man. Like somebody said, the next Anquon Boldin. Hopefully not the other 'Quon. Who said the next Anquon Boldin. He would be an extremely good lunch pail type player.

kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (5/4/2021 1:11:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dana Turner quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom Ihmir Smith-Marsette highlights show that he's real good at making contested catches. On the other hand they show he often does not get separation. He didn't stand out in the highlights to me. Sort of a lunch pail type. Another Bisi Johnson, but he was way more productive. I give him a good chance to make the team. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L30As8-krd0 I believe he will be more than just a special teamer type guy. I have a good friend that attended Iowa and he's a huge Hawkeye fan, so as a Gopher fan, we have some good fun during the season. He told me that S-M was a solid receiver and great return guy, someone who will make the tough catches. I see him as the No. 2 wide out in a three receiver set, AT in the slot. He is an upgrade to the WR group, something that just sort of happened in this draft. It was a strange draft for me, because it just seemed to take so long for things to happen and the coverage was pretty bad. Those guys have to fill time during the decision process the teams are making, but my goodness, they just spewed a bunch of crap most of the time. I liked the two offensive line guys we got and saw them both on many mock drafts for the Vikings. I am particularly stoked about Davis, but that's because I couldn't believe we got him at 89, just super value (and yes...lucky). Both he and Big D will be solid additions to the offensive line (no matter how many we carry 9 10, 22, Sheesh) I get the hype surrounding the Davidson pick, I can't wait to see if he can carve himself out a spot on the team. Like every year, we can see guys that have potential coming to camps and going against grown men and like every year, some will surprise and some will disappoint. The great thing is new hope that is created by the draft and the promise of a new season getting ready to get underway! skol Vikings fans! Dana I didn't intend to insinuate he would be a special teamer only. It wouldn't surprise me if he wins the #3 WR spot sometime this season.

Hats4Bats -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (5/4/2021 7:29:27 AM)
Colquitt has some competition Vikings Sign 30-Year-Old LSU Punter Zach Von Rosenberg, a Former Top MLB Prospect The Vikings' latest undrafted free agent signing has an incredible story, having spent six years in the Pittsburgh Pirates' system. Will Ragatz 12 hours ago The Vikings have signed former LSU punter Zach Von Rosenberg as an undrafted free agent to compete with Britton Colquitt in training camp. Normally, that wouldn't be particularly interesting news. What makes it a fascinating story is Von Rosenberg's unique path to the NFL. First of all, he's 30 years old, turning 31 in September. He was the oldest player in college football in 2020 and instantly becomes the seventh-oldest player on the Vikings' roster, just weeks younger than longtime NFL stars Patrick Peterson and Adam Thielen. Why is he that old? Because football wasn't Von Rosenberg's first sport. A star pitcher in high school, he was drafted by the Pittsburgh Pirates in the sixth round of the 2009 MLB Draft and was once considered a top-50 MLB prospect in the country. After failing to advance past high-A ball during his six years in the Pirates' minor league system, he called it quits in 2015 and looked to his next journey. Von Rosenberg, who grew up 20 miles north of LSU, walked on to Tigers' football team when Les Miles was still the coach. At first he thought he might play his high school position of quarterback, then beefed up to play tight end before finding a role as a punter. He eventually earned a scholarship and was LSU's starting punter from 2017 to 2020, including winning a national title in 2019. He's a legitimately good punter with a chance to potentially beat out Colquitt, a 12-year NFL veteran who is the Vikings' oldest player at 36. Von Rosenberg made the All-SEC second team twice and averaged 44 yards per punt in a 47-game career. Colquitt's career average in the NFL is 45.4, but he finished second-to-last among NFL punters in net yardage (which includes returns and touchbacks) last season. At 6'5", 245, the lefty-punting Von Rosenberg is bigger than the 6'3", 210-pound Colquitt. He obviously is at a major disadvantage in terms of NFL experience, but he would be slightly cheaper for the Vikings to keep. This could be a serious competition in camp. What a cool and crazy story.

Phil Riewer -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (5/4/2021 7:29:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Yep 8-9; was your guess 10 or 11? You probably said 10 so I will be like you and say you said 12...LOL Who did the Lakers lose to last night? Who did they lose to Friday Night? You have been Surly Bill since. You might want to quit watching them bums for a few games. Old Bill can't get along with anyone. Can't think of anything to post so he fights with Sweens, KG, and anyone else he can find something he doesn't like. Just Block Old Surly Bill when the Lakers lose. Oh, namecalling. Pot meet Kettle. Your first post to me. Your new self-proclaimed M.O. of 'going on the attack' kinds flies in the face of resorting to namecalling when wrong. Poor Phil can't keep his posting plans straight. 8-Ball Phil Waiting for you to post something on your own. Just a nice discussion between Tom and I. Then good old Snarky Bill shows up. Do you have anything to add but your misperceived number? Thought not. Plenty of draft links/picks/UDFAs to discuss and all you have is the wrong number of olineman. You make it sound like I gave you a nice pat on the butt with a 'go get 'em tiger' as you ran out onto the field to argue with Bill. Not so. I am far less comfortable with our OL depth than you are. It doesn't sound to me like Bill is ready to crown the OL as good to go either. We need to find a way to add more competition to the mix. I don't think anyone is that comfortable (two rookies starting most likely) but there is a difference between conversation and hijacking/name calling and bringing zero to the conversation but being Bill. I really don't have a problem with keeping 10 lineman...just realize that a 4th RB, 5th WR, and 3rd QB have a better shot playing in a game then a 9th or 10th lineman. That doesn't mean that there aren't more changes coming....odds are it won't be another rookie since it looks like 2 rookies and a 2nd year guy starting already.

Hats4Bats -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (5/4/2021 7:32:43 AM)
Another Punter invite Oscar Bradburn will have a chance to make the Minnesota Vikings NFL Roster. It was reported on Sunday that the former star Punter from Virginia Tech has been invited to the Minnesota Vikings Rookie Minicamp. The NFL Rookie Minicamp typically invites both drafted and undrafted prospects into a multi-day off-season program to determine the final roster spots for their NFL Roster. The Minnesota Vikings also selected former Virginia Tech Hokies Offensive Lineman Christian Darrisaw in Round No. 1 of the 2021 NFL Draft with the No. 23 overall selection. The Vikings currently have one punter on their roster in Britton Colquitt. The 36-year-old special teamer had 54 punts for 45.1 yards on average. Bradburn just wrapped up his storied career at Virginia Tech making an impact on Special Teams as a four-year starter at Punter. In total, the Australian native played in 48 games during his career. As a senior, Bradburn averaged 43.0 yards per punt with a long of 62-yards. He had 8 punts that traveled beyond 50-yards. Despite playing in 10 games, Bradburn had his fewest punt attempts with only 37. He also attempted one fake-punt run for 14-yards. As a junior, the 6-foot-1-inch 218-pound punter had his strongest season in Orange and Maroon, punting 53 times for a 46.5-yard per punt average. He totaled 21-punts that traveled beyond 50-yards. It was his junior season that earned him honors as a Ray Guy Award Semifinalist and All-ACC Honorable Mention. He was also named a Phil Steele All-ACC Second Team member. It was his biggest leap in year-to-year performance in his Virginia Tech career. As a sophomore, Bradburn was named an All-ACC Honorable Mention after punting 69-times for an average of 42.6 yards per punt. He had a long of 72 yards and forced 32 fair catches - tied for the most in his career. Bradburn attempted the most punts in the 2018 season. As a freshman, Bradburn seized the starting punting position and was a strong member on fourth down, punting 66 total times for an average of 42.4 yards per punt. In total, the fourth down specialist totaled 225 punts for 9,796 yards (43.5 yards per punt) with 103 fair catches, 81 inside the opposition's 20-yard line and 49 total punts traveling beyond 50-yards.

Terry Stoneberg -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (5/4/2021 7:38:03 AM)
After hearing all the announcers on the NFL channel talk about Mond’s rocket of an arm, I was surprised to read a poster here find a review that said his arm was not all that. I watched kdabom’s youtube video of Mond and I have to say that the 50 yeard throw at 5:13 (yes a throw from the 33 to the 18 is a 50 yarder...not 48 like the annoucer said) and 58 yarder on a rope at 4:16, both perfectly placed. Folks these are not Brad Johnson type 40 yard moonshots at the end of his career. Mond Highlights. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edfoLyy5xj8

Phil Riewer -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (5/4/2021 7:53:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Terry Stoneberg After hearing all the announcers on the NFL channel talk about Mond’s rocket of an arm, I was surprised to read a poster here find a review that said his arm was not all that. I watched kdabom’s youtube video of Mond and I have to say that the 50 yeard throw at 5:13 (yes a throw from the 33 to the 18 is a 50 yarder...not 48 like the annoucer said) and 58 yarder on a rope at 4:16, both perfectly placed. Folks these are not Brad Johnson type 40 yard moonshots at the end of his career. Mond Highlights. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edfoLyy5xj8 It is one of the few years that I was less excited during the draft and more excited about the results. I do think Spielman has been dialed in the last three years of drafts.

jbusse -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (5/4/2021 8:07:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Terry Stoneberg After hearing all the announcers on the NFL channel talk about Mond’s rocket of an arm, I was surprised to read a poster here find a review that said his arm was not all that. I watched kdabom’s youtube video of Mond and I have to say that the 50 yeard throw at 5:13 (yes a throw from the 33 to the 18 is a 50 yarder...not 48 like the annoucer said) and 58 yarder on a rope at 4:16, both perfectly placed. Folks these are not Brad Johnson type 40 yard moonshots at the end of his career. Mond Highlights. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edfoLyy5xj8 It is one of the few years that I was less excited during the draft and more excited about the results. I do think Spielman has been dialed in the last three years of drafts. That's a nice way to put it. I feel the same.

jbusse -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (5/4/2021 8:09:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom Ihmir Smith-Marsette highlights show that he's real good at making contested catches. On the other hand they show he often does not get separation. He didn't stand out in the highlights to me. Sort of a lunch pail type. Another Bisi Johnson, but he was way more productive. I give him a good chance to make the team. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L30As8-krd0 A chance. Lol. He'll be our 3. He's a lunch pail guy vs your 7th round wash out that you though would be a star. Opposite man. Like somebody said, the next Anquon Boldin. Hopefully not the other 'Quon. Who said the next Anquon Boldin. He would be an extremely good lunch pail type player. I think the Anquon Boldin reference was regarding another player, an UDFA or potential UDFA. I agree that the highlights don't show much separation.

Phil Riewer -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (5/4/2021 8:12:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom Ihmir Smith-Marsette highlights show that he's real good at making contested catches. On the other hand they show he often does not get separation. He didn't stand out in the highlights to me. Sort of a lunch pail type. Another Bisi Johnson, but he was way more productive. I give him a good chance to make the team. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L30As8-krd0 A chance. Lol. He'll be our 3. He's a lunch pail guy vs your 7th round wash out that you though would be a star. Opposite man. Like somebody said, the next Anquon Boldin. Hopefully not the other 'Quon. Who said the next Anquon Boldin. He would be an extremely good lunch pail type player. I think the Anquon Boldin reference was regarding another player, an UDFA or potential UDFA. I agree that the highlights don't show much separation. I think the Iowa receiver is 40 lbs lighter than Boldin and quite a bit faster...not really a good comparasion.....

Brad H -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (5/4/2021 8:46:03 AM)
A lot of conversation about a guy that is going to be the #5 passing option in the offense. If he makes 25-30 catches, call it a win.

Phil Riewer -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (5/4/2021 8:50:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H A lot of conversation about a guy that is going to be the #5 passing option in the offense. If he makes 25-30 catches, call it a win. Matters if you favorite guy Thielen stays healthy.

Brad H -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (5/4/2021 8:58:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H A lot of conversation about a guy that is going to be the #5 passing option in the offense. If he makes 25-30 catches, call it a win. Matters if you favorite guy Thielen stays healthy. Sure it does. But you could say that for any position on the field. The Vikings don't have a ton of depth at a lot of positions. That's why they were 7-9 last season. They were just fortunate that the o-line stayed as healthy as it did or they may have been 4-12. The defense now has some decent depth. Past running back, the offense needs to stay healthy. That's the price you pay for having a $12-million quarterback making $33-million.

Brad H -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (5/4/2021 9:19:41 AM)
One guy I'd keep an eye out for is Myron Mitchell, a guy they signed after the draft as a free agent.

Phil Riewer -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (5/4/2021 9:22:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H A lot of conversation about a guy that is going to be the #5 passing option in the offense. If he makes 25-30 catches, call it a win. Matters if you favorite guy Thielen stays healthy. Sure it does. But you could say that for any position on the field. The Vikings don't have a ton of depth at a lot of positions. That's why they were 7-9 last season. They were just fortunate that the o-line stayed as healthy as it did or they may have been 4-12. The defense now has some decent depth. Past running back, the offense needs to stay healthy. That's the price you pay for having a $12-million quarterback making $33-million. Still rather have him than $20 million Case. The only reason he is making $31 (not $33) this year is they restructured his $28 he was supposed to make. But same song and dance. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/kirk-cousins-9915/

David F. -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (5/4/2021 9:44:15 AM)
Next year Cousins will make $45 million - and it's all guaranteed.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (5/4/2021 9:48:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joejitsu I know that Patterson can make players out of the new dline guys, but I don't have the same confidence in Dennison doing the same with the new olinemen. We wont find out until later anyway. I believe, barring injury, they wont start Darrisaw or Davis for at least a few games into the season. They don't like starting rookies here.

thebigo -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (5/4/2021 9:48:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom Ihmir Smith-Marsette highlights show that he's real good at making contested catches. On the other hand they show he often does not get separation. He didn't stand out in the highlights to me. Sort of a lunch pail type. Another Bisi Johnson, but he was way more productive. I give him a good chance to make the team. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L30As8-krd0 A chance. Lol. He'll be our 3. He's a lunch pail guy vs your 7th round wash out that you though would be a star. Opposite man. Like somebody said, the next Anquon Boldin. Hopefully not the other 'Quon. Who said the next Anquon Boldin. He would be an extremely good lunch pail type player. Are you the single member of the group referred to as"somebody"?

Phil Riewer -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (5/4/2021 9:53:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. Next year Cousins will make $45 million - and it's all guaranteed. That actually is the cap hit from the restructure and signing bonus as part of the restructure. Here is what you need to look at: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/kirk-cousins-9915/cash-earnings/ 2018 26 2019 28 2020 40 (30 million SB restructure/10 salary) 2021 21 2022 35 If the FO keeps restructuring the Cap Hit gets ugly...Saints have to pay Brees the next year or two for what they did.

TJSweens -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (5/4/2021 10:05:06 AM)
I missed day three of the draft since I was on the road. Sorry if I wind up repeating what others may have already said. A couple of the picks seem like head scratchers, but no draft would be complete without 1 or 2 of those. Kene Nwangwu was one of those. CBS and PFF had him as a 7th round pick. The great brains of Walterfootball gave the Vikings an F for that pick, stating they didn’t have him even being drafted. On the other hand SI called Nwangwu “the NFL draft sleeper you want ”. Looks like he will start out with a chance to make special teams his calling card and work into something bigger over time. Camryn Bynum is head scratcher 2. His passer rating when targeted has gotten worse, each of the last 2 years. One guy at CBS had him as a 3rd round pick. PFF and another CBS mocker had him projected as a 5th round pick. Two others projected him to go in the 6th. PFF liked the Smith-Marsette selection…Smith-Marsette could end up being one of the better deep threats in this class. Iowa’s offense didn’t do him any favors, but he has the speed to eat up a cushion in off coverage and separate down the football field. Minnesota’s offense, which takes its fair share of deep shots, is a good landing spot where Smith-Marsette can compete for snaps right away in a WR3 role behind Adam Thielen and Justin Jefferson. Janarius Robinson kind of proves what I though when Jones was selected in the 3rd round. At the time I thought that edge rushers of that caliber would be available after the 3rd round. You can make the argument that Robinson is better than Jones, IMO. Great value at that spot.

TJSweens -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (5/4/2021 10:10:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: joejitsu I know that Patterson can make players out of the new dline guys, but I don't have the same confidence in Dennison doing the same with the new olinemen. We wont find out until later anyway. I believe, barring injury, they wont start Darrisaw or Davis for at least a few games into the season. They don't like starting rookies here. That's not true at all. Judging from Zim's comments, he will pissed if Darrisaw doesn't prove to be the day one starter and I wouldn't be surprised if he regards Davis the same way. He was pretty frontal with the scouting staff that he wanted offensive linemen who can move bodies.

David F. -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (5/4/2021 10:10:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: David F. Next year Cousins will make $45 million - and it's all guaranteed. That actually is the cap hit from the restructure and signing bonus as part of the restructure. Here is what you need to look at: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/kirk-cousins-9915/cash-earnings/ 2018 26 2019 28 2020 40 (30 million SB restructure/10 salary) 2021 21 2022 35 If the FO keeps restructuring the Cap Hit gets ugly...Saints have to pay Brees the next year or two for what they did. Yes I should have said counts $45 million against the cap, and there's no getting out of it. Cousins is our starting QB for the next two seasons.

kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (5/4/2021 10:14:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. Next year Cousins will make $45 million - and it's all guaranteed. IIRC we can, if we so desire, cut him by some date and only have to pay him $10 million.

kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (5/4/2021 10:16:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom Ihmir Smith-Marsette highlights show that he's real good at making contested catches. On the other hand they show he often does not get separation. He didn't stand out in the highlights to me. Sort of a lunch pail type. Another Bisi Johnson, but he was way more productive. I give him a good chance to make the team. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L30As8-krd0 A chance. Lol. He'll be our 3. He's a lunch pail guy vs your 7th round wash out that you though would be a star. Opposite man. Like somebody said, the next Anquon Boldin. Hopefully not the other 'Quon. Who said the next Anquon Boldin. He would be an extremely good lunch pail type player. Are you the single member of the group referred to as"somebody"? If you're talking to me BigO I am not that somebody. You started the somebody thing about the next Anquon Bolden. I asked who said the next Bolden.

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