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O'Neill came into camp and turned heads right away. He forced his way into the lineup within a couple of games and never looked back.

More false equivalence.

O'Neill had a RT spot essentially waiting for him. Cleveland was not going to beat out Reiff as everyone understood he needed to gain strength.

AND O'Neill was not dumped into paying LG.

No he didn't. They were even having the same discussions as to whether he should play guard or tackle. If RT was waiting for him, then Hill wouldn't have been the starter to begin the season.

Point being O'Neill just needed to gain strength and he was going to play tackle.

There were no serious discussions about O'Neill playing G outside of him getting some experience there. Stop making up shit.

Making shit up? How Trumpian of you. Falsely accuse me of the thing you are doing yourself.

I don't know how you try to save face on your lack of understanding the issue since you've quadrupled down. Maybe go on an extended lunch or vacation.

There is no need to save face here Bill. You haven't made a cogent point in this whole discussion. If you want to believe that last year was a precursor to Cleveland having a 10 year run as an All Pro LT, knock yourself out.

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Had the physical attributes? Like I said, a lack of understanding.

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Cleveland's situation would be like starting Hunter midway into in his rookie year at right DT.

Ah, he didn't do well at DT so expect more of the same if we move him to DE, nevermind DE is his natural position and he has experience there [:-]

No, that really isn't a good analogy at all. Downright lousy in fact. Cleveland had the size and physical attributes to play G. Hunter would have about 60 pounds underweight to play DT in his rookie year.

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Cleveland's situation would be like starting Hunter midway into in his rookie year at right DT.

Ah, he didn't do well at DT so expect more of the same if we move him to DE, nevermind DE is his natural position and he has experience there [:-]

No, that really isn't a good analogy at all. Downright lousy in fact. Cleveland had the size and physical attributes to play G. Hunter would have about 60 pounds underweight to play DT in his rookie year.

So you're saying that Cleveland has the physical tools to not get bullrushed by big DTs?

We could go a little further and make the claim that I have the physical tools to play G at the NFL level. I mean what do you have to be able to do? Get down into a 3 point stance? I can do that.

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Had the physical attributes? Like I said, a lack of understanding.

6'6 / 311 pounds. Has the athleticism and footwork to pull and get to the next level of the defense. What am I missing. Your complete and utter lack of comprehension makes me wonder if you played the position without a helmet.

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Cleveland's situation would be like starting Hunter midway into in his rookie year at right DT.

Ah, he didn't do well at DT so expect more of the same if we move him to DE, nevermind DE is his natural position and he has experience there [:-]

No, that really isn't a good analogy at all. Downright lousy in fact. Cleveland had the size and physical attributes to play G. Hunter would have about 60 pounds underweight to play DT in his rookie year.

So you're saying that Cleveland has the physical tools to not get bullrushed by big DTs?

We could go a little further and make the claim that I have the physical tools to play G at the NFL level. I mean what do you have to be able to do? Get down into a 3 point stance? I can do that.

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Had the physical attributes? Like I said, a lack of understanding.

6'6 / 311 pounds. Has the athleticism and footwork to pull and get to the next level of the defense. What am I missing. Your complete and utter lack of comprehension makes me wonder if you played the position without a helmet.

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Cleveland's situation would be like starting Hunter midway into in his rookie year at right DT.

Ah, he didn't do well at DT so expect more of the same if we move him to DE, nevermind DE is his natural position and he has experience there [:-]

No, that really isn't a good analogy at all. Downright lousy in fact. Cleveland had the size and physical attributes to play G. Hunter would have about 60 pounds underweight to play DT in his rookie year.

So you're saying that Cleveland has the physical tools to not get bullrushed by big DTs?

We could go a little further and make the claim that I have the physical tools to play G at the NFL level. I mean what do you have to be able to do? Get down into a 3 point stance? I can do that.

In Sweenflexibility there are no "big DTs" and they certainly don't bullrush Cleveland to take advantage of his high center of gravity. No, the SOB sucked at RG so there is no indication he won't suck at LT.

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With Reiff gone an OT has to be a consideration at 14.

The #Vikings watched Rashawn Slater's Pro Day and cut Riley Reiff one day later. Just sayin'......

(Daniel House on Twitter)

You're trying to apply logic here and that has no place in determining how Spielman will addresses the O-line.

True! But, in the event the Trader sees the light and goes with logic, would that mean that Ezra takes over the lt spot? That's a lot of youth on the left side of the line.

I'm still skeptical of Ezra taking over anywhere. He was 36th out of 40 RG in pass blocking. That doesn't exactly inspire me to move him to LT where he will face the other team's best pass rusher most games. On the other hand, it doesn't inspire me to leave him at RG either.

If you draft a LT in the 2nd round you have to play him at LT - especially when you just released your starting LT. The Vikings are possibly about to out-smart themselves again.

That may be the plan, but based on performance, it isn't necessarily a good one. Just sayin.

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So...some Twitter rubes were talking about bringing back Easton to play guard after NO cap issues and him being cut.....thoughts?

59.6 Overall Grade....(PFF)

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Cleveland's situation would be like starting Hunter midway into in his rookie year at right DT.

Ah, he didn't do well at DT so expect more of the same if we move him to DE, nevermind DE is his natural position and he has experience there [:-]

No, that really isn't a good analogy at all. Downright lousy in fact. Cleveland had the size and physical attributes to play G. Hunter would have about 60 pounds underweight to play DT in his rookie year.

So you're saying that Cleveland has the physical tools to not get bullrushed by big DTs?

We could go a little further and make the claim that I have the physical tools to play G at the NFL level. I mean what do you have to be able to do? Get down into a 3 point stance? I can do that.

In Sweenflexibility there are no "big DTs" and they certainly don't bullrush Cleveland to take advantage of his high center of gravity. No, the SOB sucked at RG so there is no indication he won't suck at LT.

This supposed to say LG?

There's certainly the possibility that with another year of coaching (hahah that's my own little joke), improved technique (he had never played G before TC) and strength training/adding weight he could be effective or even good as a G. But it's certainly far from guaranteed (see our coaching).

His Guard performance did show, imo, that he could be a LT and develop along the path of ONeil (ave or above ave). His run blocking showed his athleticism, and he would be dealing with a defensive player that weighs about 50 lbs less.

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So there's no indication that he won't suck at LT??

Other than him being rated by quite a few scouts as a first round LT? His draft profile? His RAS https://relativeathleticscores.com/2020/02/09/ezra-cleveland-ras/?

A RAS of 9.92!!

Ok [&o]

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So there's no indication that he won't suck at LT??

Other than him being rated by quite a few scouts as a first round LT? His draft profile? His RAS https://relativeathleticscores.com/2020/02/09/ezra-cleveland-ras/?

A RAS of 9.92!!

Ok [&o]

You are late to the party. That is essentially Sweeney's take. Go back and read.

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So there's no indication that he won't suck at LT??

Other than him being rated by quite a few scouts as a first round LT? His draft profile? His RAS https://relativeathleticscores.com/2020/02/09/ezra-cleveland-ras/?

A RAS of 9.92!!

Ok [&o]

You are late to the party. That is essentially Sweeney's take. Go back and read.

Don't need to. If your take is there is no indication that he won't suck at LT, you are wrong.