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Todd M -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/26/2021 12:12:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer PFF Mock 17 Alijah Vera-Tucker OT USC 48 Jamin Davis LB Kentucky 78 Kendrick Green OG Illinois 79 Jamar Jonson S Indiana 90 Kelvin Joseph CB Kentucky 125 Josh Palmer WR Tennessee 134 Miltion WIlliams DL L Tech 143 Tommy Tremble TE Notre Dame 157 Benjamin St-Juste CB MN 168 Jonathon Cooper EDGE OSU 199 Ian Book QB Notre Dame So we gain a 2nd and 3rd by dropping down 3 spots? Yeah right.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/26/2021 12:37:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer PFF Mock 17 Alijah Vera-Tucker OT USC 48 Jamin Davis LB Kentucky 78 Kendrick Green OG Illinois 79 Jamar Jonson S Indiana 90 Kelvin Joseph CB Kentucky 125 Josh Palmer WR Tennessee 134 Miltion WIlliams DL L Tech 143 Tommy Tremble TE Notre Dame 157 Benjamin St-Juste CB MN 168 Jonathon Cooper EDGE OSU 199 Ian Book QB Notre Dame So we gain a 2nd and 3rd by dropping down 3 spots? Yeah right. Come on man, he threw in a 4th round sweetener to even things out [&o]

ratoppenheimer -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/26/2021 12:50:55 PM)
. . phuck, man....

bstinger -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/26/2021 12:59:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer PFF Mock 17 Alijah Vera-Tucker OT USC 48 Jamin Davis LB Kentucky 78 Kendrick Green OG Illinois 79 Jamar Jonson S Indiana 90 Kelvin Joseph CB Kentucky 125 Josh Palmer WR Tennessee 134 Miltion WIlliams DL L Tech 143 Tommy Tremble TE Notre Dame 157 Benjamin St-Juste CB MN 168 Jonathon Cooper EDGE OSU 199 Ian Book QB Notre Dame I had a similar draft recently. Same top 4 picks and a couple of other guys too.

Tom Sykes -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/26/2021 12:59:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . i'm hoping we trade back a little and draft vera-tucker and one out of this group..... Creed Humphrey Landon Dickerson Teven Jenkins I don't suppose you saw the video of Mac Jones being interviewed with Dickerson goofing around in the background trying to make Jones mess up? Pretty funny stuff. Including Dickerson doing extended cartwheels. Better than the combine for showing his knees are healthy.

The Happy Norseman -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/26/2021 1:11:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes If Spielman was just a cunningly smart Machiavellian bastard ... I could sit anxiously through the draft with some confidence in a larger scheme coming together. As it is, Spiels has shown no urgency in planning or building a solid OLine. He has bumped up his game to atleast one OL in the first three rds of the last four drafts BUT he has never drafted two OL in the first three rounds. Never. Coming away with one of the following players is my expectation. Two would be a very pleasant surprise. Even the last two on the lists, Little and Banks. Three? I'd be stunned. Kneeling with hands clasped in religious ecstasy. Cousins-like before games, meals and choosing shampoos. Penei Sewell Rashawn Slater Christian Darisaw Teven Jenkins Sam Cosmi Jalen Mayfield Alex Leatherwood Liam Eichenberg Dillon Radunz Spencer Brown Walker Little Alijah Vera-Tucker Wyatt Davis Creed Humphrey C/G Landon Dickerson C/G Jackson Carman Trey Smith Deonte Brown Ben Cleveland Kendrick Green Aaron Banks During the draft, Spielman is very reactive. The fact that he admitted in the draft 2(?) years ago that several times the player he wanted kept getting taken right before the Vikings pick was an infuriating admission that he does not know how to properly approach the draft. If you want a player, go get him! It would be nice if RS shocked us all, went against character and drafted 2 o-linemen in the first 3 rounds. A vikings draft of Slater or Vera-Tucker in the first and Mond/Mills and Ben Cleveland in the 3rd would be a home run for RS. Which means there's no way it will happen...

Bill Johanesen -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/26/2021 1:24:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes If Spielman was just a cunningly smart Machiavellian bastard ... I could sit anxiously through the draft with some confidence in a larger scheme coming together. As it is, Spiels has shown no urgency in planning or building a solid OLine. He has bumped up his game to atleast one OL in the first three rds of the last four drafts BUT he has never drafted two OL in the first three rounds. Never. Coming away with one of the following players is my expectation. Two would be a very pleasant surprise. Even the last two on the lists, Little and Banks. Three? I'd be stunned. Kneeling with hands clasped in religious ecstasy. Cousins-like before games, meals and choosing shampoos. Penei Sewell Rashawn Slater Christian Darisaw Teven Jenkins Sam Cosmi Jalen Mayfield Alex Leatherwood Liam Eichenberg Dillon Radunz Spencer Brown Walker Little Alijah Vera-Tucker Wyatt Davis Creed Humphrey C/G Landon Dickerson C/G Jackson Carman Trey Smith Deonte Brown Ben Cleveland Kendrick Green Aaron Banks During the draft, Spielman is very reactive. The fact that he admitted in the draft 2(?) years ago that several times the player he wanted kept getting taken right before the Vikings pick was an infuriating admission that he does not know how to properly approach the draft. If you want a player, go get him! It would be nice if RS shocked us all, went against character and drafted 2 o-linemen in the first 3 rounds. A vikings draft of Slater or Vera-Tucker in the first and Mond/Mills and Ben Cleveland in the 3rd would be a home run for RS. Which means there's no way it will happen... That was the O'Neill draft. He acted as if the run on OL was a one in a million thing. Poor excuse for him not having a better understanding of what other teams might do, which is key to getting players you really like and for maximizing draft assets.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/26/2021 1:34:50 PM)
Wish GMs had to make public their Top 100 BPA after each draft. Although player performance is affected by coaching, injuries, and schemes, one may be able to deduce general scouting performance over time.

kevinemmer -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/26/2021 2:25:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Pager I'm glad we didn't trade for OBJ. And to compare KC, who got to the SB for a second straight year, to the Vikes is not a great choice. We have multiple holes on the oline, need a DE, and have to start planning for life after Harrison Smith. To use the equivalent of the 16th pick and 18-20M in cap space would have been poor team building, imo. When you've got Mahomes, you can make moves like this. I have plenty of issues with the FO and coaching but hold up this trade as the example, I don't agree with. Yep!

Tom Sykes -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/26/2021 2:26:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes If Spielman was just a cunningly smart Machiavellian bastard ... I could sit anxiously through the draft with some confidence in a larger scheme coming together. As it is, Spiels has shown no urgency in planning or building a solid OLine. He has bumped up his game to atleast one OL in the first three rds of the last four drafts BUT he has never drafted two OL in the first three rounds. Never. Coming away with one of the following players is my expectation. Two would be a very pleasant surprise. Even the last two on the lists, Little and Banks. Three? I'd be stunned. Kneeling with hands clasped in religious ecstasy. Cousins-like before games, meals and choosing shampoos. Penei Sewell Rashawn Slater Christian Darisaw Teven Jenkins Sam Cosmi Jalen Mayfield Alex Leatherwood Liam Eichenberg Dillon Radunz Spencer Brown Walker Little Alijah Vera-Tucker Wyatt Davis Creed Humphrey C/G Landon Dickerson C/G Jackson Carman Trey Smith Deonte Brown Ben Cleveland Kendrick Green Aaron Banks During the draft, Spielman is very reactive. The fact that he admitted in the draft 2(?) years ago that several times the player he wanted kept getting taken right before the Vikings pick was an infuriating admission that he does not know how to properly approach the draft. If you want a player, go get him! It would be nice if RS shocked us all, went against character and drafted 2 o-linemen in the first 3 rounds. A vikings draft of Slater or Vera-Tucker in the first and Mond/Mills and Ben Cleveland in the 3rd would be a home run for RS. Which means there's no way it will happen... Targeting the number of prospects you get in a draft hamstrings you automatically from being proactive in moving up very often.

Tom Sykes -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/26/2021 2:39:05 PM)
Its a shame: with 2 threes, 4 fours and two fives ... and your Vikings career in the balance ... I would be looking at this as a make or break draft and go after as many 2-3 rd picks as possible. (its too late to generate two 1s this year) Generating 6th and 7th rders would be the farthest thing from my mind. I would trade back in the first Thursday and even use picks from 2022 to generate one 1, two 2s, three 3s ... a once in a 5 year draft heist. (I would repeat it once every five years, only next time with two 1s also). You then sign the biggest udfa class in the history of the world on Sunday night. And make sure there's plenty of popcorn in the 2022 draft because you only have 3 or 4 picks. Big deal. even if it backfires and you do a terrible job ... which is likely ... you are at least swinging for the fences instead putting half your draft effort into tweaking the back-end of the roster.

Pager -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/26/2021 2:41:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes If Spielman was just a cunningly smart Machiavellian bastard ... I could sit anxiously through the draft with some confidence in a larger scheme coming together. As it is, Spiels has shown no urgency in planning or building a solid OLine. He has bumped up his game to atleast one OL in the first three rds of the last four drafts BUT he has never drafted two OL in the first three rounds. Never. Coming away with one of the following players is my expectation. Two would be a very pleasant surprise. Even the last two on the lists, Little and Banks. Three? I'd be stunned. Kneeling with hands clasped in religious ecstasy. Cousins-like before games, meals and choosing shampoos. Penei Sewell Rashawn Slater Christian Darisaw Teven Jenkins Sam Cosmi Jalen Mayfield Alex Leatherwood Liam Eichenberg Dillon Radunz Spencer Brown Walker Little Alijah Vera-Tucker Wyatt Davis Creed Humphrey C/G Landon Dickerson C/G Jackson Carman Trey Smith Deonte Brown Ben Cleveland Kendrick Green Aaron Banks During the draft, Spielman is very reactive. The fact that he admitted in the draft 2(?) years ago that several times the player he wanted kept getting taken right before the Vikings pick was an infuriating admission that he does not know how to properly approach the draft. If you want a player, go get him! It would be nice if RS shocked us all, went against character and drafted 2 o-linemen in the first 3 rounds. A vikings draft of Slater or Vera-Tucker in the first and Mond/Mills and Ben Cleveland in the 3rd would be a home run for RS. Which means there's no way it will happen... That was the O'Neill draft. He acted as if the run on OL was a one in a million thing. Poor excuse for him not having a better understanding of what other teams might do, which is key to getting players you really like and for maximizing draft assets. Exactly - I was so frustrated in this draft when we went Hughes in the first round. The top of round 2 was loaded with teams that needed oline. CLE, NYG, IND, CHI, all went IOL. I even thought Denver was going IOL. And none of it was surprising.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/26/2021 3:10:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes If Spielman was just a cunningly smart Machiavellian bastard ... I could sit anxiously through the draft with some confidence in a larger scheme coming together. As it is, Spiels has shown no urgency in planning or building a solid OLine. He has bumped up his game to atleast one OL in the first three rds of the last four drafts BUT he has never drafted two OL in the first three rounds. Never. Coming away with one of the following players is my expectation. Two would be a very pleasant surprise. Even the last two on the lists, Little and Banks. Three? I'd be stunned. Kneeling with hands clasped in religious ecstasy. Cousins-like before games, meals and choosing shampoos. Penei Sewell Rashawn Slater Christian Darisaw Teven Jenkins Sam Cosmi Jalen Mayfield Alex Leatherwood Liam Eichenberg Dillon Radunz Spencer Brown Walker Little Alijah Vera-Tucker Wyatt Davis Creed Humphrey C/G Landon Dickerson C/G Jackson Carman Trey Smith Deonte Brown Ben Cleveland Kendrick Green Aaron Banks During the draft, Spielman is very reactive. The fact that he admitted in the draft 2(?) years ago that several times the player he wanted kept getting taken right before the Vikings pick was an infuriating admission that he does not know how to properly approach the draft. If you want a player, go get him! It would be nice if RS shocked us all, went against character and drafted 2 o-linemen in the first 3 rounds. A vikings draft of Slater or Vera-Tucker in the first and Mond/Mills and Ben Cleveland in the 3rd would be a home run for RS. Which means there's no way it will happen... Targeting the number of prospects you get in a draft hamstrings you automatically from being proactive in moving up very often. RS history is trading down for more and more picks. He's traded up once or twice but most of the time he trades down to add picks. I would love for him to flip the script this year and trade down once then spend a lot of their 3-5 rd draft capital to move up and make three picks in the first two rounds. But it will never happen cause trader Rick needs 7th rounders.

kevinemmer -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/26/2021 6:00:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Its a shame: with 2 threes, 4 fours and two fives ... and your Vikings career in the balance ... I would be looking at this as a make or break draft and go after as many 2-3 rd picks as possible. (its too late to generate two 1s this year) Generating 6th and 7th rders would be the farthest thing from my mind. I would trade back in the first Thursday and even use picks from 2022 to generate one 1, two 2s, three 3s ... a once in a 5 year draft heist. (I would repeat it once every five years, only next time with two 1s also). You then sign the biggest udfa class in the history of the world on Sunday night. And make sure there's plenty of popcorn in the 2022 draft because you only have 3 or 4 picks. Big deal. even if it backfires and you do a terrible job ... which is likely ... you are at least swinging for the fences instead putting half your draft effort into tweaking the back-end of the roster. EXACTLY!!!

kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/26/2021 6:06:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Without knowing how good Cleveland is or what our plan for him is. if there is a plan - its impossible to identify or project OL. draft priorities. As if we could anyway. Spielman spent a 2nd round pick on Cleveland with the idea that he would sit him a year and then replace Reiff (and his salary) with a quality LT on the cheap for 5 years. The fact that Samia is completely unable to play pro football forced Zimmer to play Cleveland out of position for a year instead of sitting him as a backup LT. If RS does not follow through this year and approach the draft with the idea of starting Cleveland at LT, then that is one more botched “effort” by RS to fix our oline and it will prove once again that RS has no actual long-term draft strategy. pff graded Cleveland in the 80s three years in a row - he's athletic and benched pressed 30 reps of 225.... To recap, Brown ran the 40-yard dash in 5.85 seconds – the slowest of any player at the event. He posted just 14 reps on the bench press. His vertical jump (19.5 inches) and broad jump (82 inches) were also dead last among all prospects. Yet he 's been a pro bowler 2 of his first 3 seasons. Would he have been a Pro Bowler with us? His "sacks against" stat would have been different with us. Jackson vrs Cousins. Still, it would have been a good/great pickup for us. Considering where we are at now. As a "mobile" QB I was expecting Jackson to have been sacked more that Cousins as mobile QBs usually are. I was surprised to find out that Jackson was sacked 10 times less 29-39. Cousins was sacked more than twice a game last year? I quit watching after about game 5 and was shocked to see this number.

kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/26/2021 6:11:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer PFF Mock 17 Alijah Vera-Tucker OT USC 48 Jamin Davis LB Kentucky 78 Kendrick Green OG Illinois 79 Jamar Jonson S Indiana 90 Kelvin Joseph CB Kentucky 125 Josh Palmer WR Tennessee 134 Miltion WIlliams DL L Tech 143 Tommy Tremble TE Notre Dame 157 Benjamin St-Juste CB MN 168 Jonathon Cooper EDGE OSU 199 Ian Book QB Notre Dame That looks a lot like my drafts when I use the draft machines except I'm taking Mack at 14 if he's there.

Bill Jandro -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/26/2021 6:22:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall I listen to a lot of talk radio, the Stanford QB would be an interesting pick in the later rounds from what I heard from a few scouts on the radio. Not going to pretend to know a lot about him but what they said makes sense. 5 star recruit out of HS. High ceiling would be a great pick with our first 3rd rder but we have a black hole on the left side of our oline.

joejitsu -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/26/2021 6:26:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer PFF Mock 17 Alijah Vera-Tucker OT USC 48 Jamin Davis LB Kentucky 78 Kendrick Green OG Illinois 79 Jamar Jonson S Indiana 90 Kelvin Joseph CB Kentucky 125 Josh Palmer WR Tennessee 134 Miltion WIlliams DL L Tech 143 Tommy Tremble TE Notre Dame 157 Benjamin St-Juste CB MN 168 Jonathon Cooper EDGE OSU 199 Ian Book QB Notre Dame That looks a lot like my drafts when I use the draft machines except I'm taking Mack at 14 if he's there. [/quot Phil’s draft is just about right on the money. I always look at the draft as “are we better now than we were before the draft?” And with these picks, we are better than before. I hope we get at least one starter on the oline and dline, and get some quality players in later rounds.

Bill Jandro -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/26/2021 6:51:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes If Spielman was just a cunningly smart Machiavellian bastard ... I could sit anxiously through the draft with some confidence in a larger scheme coming together. As it is, Spiels has shown no urgency in planning or building a solid OLine. He has bumped up his game to atleast one OL in the first three rds of the last four drafts BUT he has never drafted two OL in the first three rounds. Never. Coming away with one of the following players is my expectation. Two would be a very pleasant surprise. Even the last two on the lists, Little and Banks. Three? I'd be stunned. Kneeling with hands clasped in religious ecstasy. Cousins-like before games, meals and choosing shampoos. Penei Sewell Rashawn Slater Christian Darisaw Teven Jenkins Sam Cosmi Jalen Mayfield Alex Leatherwood Liam Eichenberg Dillon Radunz Spencer Brown Walker Little Alijah Vera-Tucker Wyatt Davis Creed Humphrey C/G Landon Dickerson C/G Jackson Carman Trey Smith Deonte Brown Ben Cleveland Kendrick Green Aaron Banks +1

Bill Johanesen -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/26/2021 6:55:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joejitsu quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer PFF Mock 17 Alijah Vera-Tucker OT USC 48 Jamin Davis LB Kentucky 78 Kendrick Green OG Illinois 79 Jamar Jonson S Indiana 90 Kelvin Joseph CB Kentucky 125 Josh Palmer WR Tennessee 134 Miltion WIlliams DL L Tech 143 Tommy Tremble TE Notre Dame 157 Benjamin St-Juste CB MN 168 Jonathon Cooper EDGE OSU 199 Ian Book QB Notre Dame That looks a lot like my drafts when I use the draft machines except I'm taking Mack at 14 if he's there. Phil’s draft is just about right on the money. I always look at the draft as “are we better now than we were before the draft?” And with these picks, we are better than before. I hope we get at least one starter on the oline and dline, and get some quality players in later rounds. It's easier to get better when your mock draft includes phantom picks.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/26/2021 7:02:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes If Spielman was just a cunningly smart Machiavellian bastard ... I could sit anxiously through the draft with some confidence in a larger scheme coming together. As it is, Spiels has shown no urgency in planning or building a solid OLine. He has bumped up his game to atleast one OL in the first three rds of the last four drafts BUT he has never drafted two OL in the first three rounds. Never. Coming away with one of the following players is my expectation. Two would be a very pleasant surprise. Even the last two on the lists, Little and Banks. Three? I'd be stunned. Kneeling with hands clasped in religious ecstasy. Cousins-like before games, meals and choosing shampoos. Penei Sewell Rashawn Slater Christian Darisaw Teven Jenkins Sam Cosmi Jalen Mayfield Alex Leatherwood Liam Eichenberg Dillon Radunz Spencer Brown Walker Little Alijah Vera-Tucker Wyatt Davis Creed Humphrey C/G Landon Dickerson C/G Jackson Carman Trey Smith Deonte Brown Ben Cleveland Kendrick Green Aaron Banks +1 Cleveland to LT and two from the guard list. Get a couple of guards like those Tampa Bay dudes who kept looking over at the KC defense in the SB and chuckled. Cleveland / Vera-Tucker / Bradbury / Trey Smith / O'Neill

Todd M -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/26/2021 7:19:53 PM)
Sewell drops to 7 and the Vikings trade up w/Lions.

Tom Sykes -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/26/2021 7:27:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M Sewell drops to 7 and the Vikings trade up w/Lions. What would that require? I'm really weak approximating draft value and I'm too lazy to google Jimmy Johnson's chart. Like #14 + a #2 we don't have + a #3? More than that?

thebigo -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/26/2021 7:30:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M Sewell drops to 7 and the Vikings trade up w/Lions. What would that require? I'm really weak approximating draft value and I'm too lazy to google Jimmy Johnson's chart. Like #14 + a #2 we don't have + a #3? More than that? Number 14 and a 2022 first rounder

Tom Sykes -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/26/2021 7:34:03 PM)
It happens every draft. I'm furious with the ineptitude of the team. Nothing but four #1 picks will satisfy my draft bloodlust. Then the week of the draft and I start to quiver with anticipation. By Monday after the draft I'm stoked for a championship season, like no other team was involved in the draft. The NFL is worse than the tobacco industry.

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