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Brad H -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/30/2021 10:35:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H Overall, I thought the move that Minnesota made to get two thirds and Darrisaw was a solid play. They needed an OT and they got a decent one. They needed added depth in the draft as a result of not much action in free agency, and got two third-round picks. I would have rather seen a second round pick, but they only had so much leverage and the #66 is fairly close to a late second. Now they need to get at least one solid interior guy in the third, and they've got a handful of picks to make it happen. Actually, they need a Day 1 starter at OG, so they'd better know how they're getting that. Maybe there's a guy they've ID'd, maybe there's a move with a current pro (trade or street FA) that they know they can make to find a starter. But one thing is 100% clear: Dozier ain't it. It's encouraging to hear Spielman say that they're looking for bigger, stronger offensive linemen. It's about time. Ben Cleveland sounds like he'd be a nice addition in the 3rd round. Landon Dickerson is a supposed stud at C. I want him cuz he can play G now and then move over to C after Bradbury busts. Cleveland would also be a good get. Not sure if he's starting material but he'd be great in the dumbo package . So was both Elflein and Bradbury. I'm okay with Bradbury for another year. It's make or break with him this season. I'd like to see him with some talent around him to see what he really has. It's pretty tough with turnstiles on either side of you. The difference is that Elflein and Bradbury were both known to be light in the shorts and in need of a lot quality time in the weight room. Dickerson is big, strong and mean. He is a punisher at the point of attack. He is also versatile, so I would happily put him at RG and slide Cleveland over to the left. We'll see if 3rd year is the charm for Bradbury adding enough strength. As a general rule, what you add in strength you can lose in mobility. The Vikings o-line, believe it or not, is very good at zone blocking in the running game. A lot depends on what the younger Kubiak wants to do on offense. We've all discussed at length that the line is pretty solid in the run game. The issue is that IOL gets blown off the ball in pass protection. The Vikings have paid too much attention to IOL being athletic and not enough to them being strong. Adding strength leading to restricted mobility is a myth. Modern training techniques are designed to improve both. Adding strength leading to restricted mobility is a myth? I'm not sure I agree with that. I'm sure there is some that do, but.... That's a big statement to make. How did Byron Buxton add 25 lbs over the last 2 years and get even faster? He was a wiry kid who hit the weight room hard and continued to work with his high school track coach to maintain speed and agility. They days of training just to add size and bulk are over. In fact a lot of modern training is geared to increasing strength without adding significant bulk. It's counter productive to make the body stronger, but force it to carry excess weight. Adding strength to Byron Buxton and adding strength to Bradbury are two entirely different things. Nice try, but it doesn't hold any water. I'm fat as hell. If I lost weight it would increase my mobility. That's my counter-argument.

TJSweens -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/30/2021 10:36:14 AM)
A safety would be gravy. They have the position covered this year and can address it after the season.

Murph -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/30/2021 10:37:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H Overall, I thought the move that Minnesota made to get two thirds and Darrisaw was a solid play. They needed an OT and they got a decent one. They needed added depth in the draft as a result of not much action in free agency, and got two third-round picks. I would have rather seen a second round pick, but they only had so much leverage and the #66 is fairly close to a late second. Now they need to get at least one solid interior guy in the third, and they've got a handful of picks to make it happen. Actually, they need a Day 1 starter at OG, so they'd better know how they're getting that. Maybe there's a guy they've ID'd, maybe there's a move with a current pro (trade or street FA) that they know they can make to find a starter. But one thing is 100% clear: Dozier ain't it. They need to trade into the 2nd and get their guy. No more waiting and drafting the best of the left overs. They easily have enough draft capital to move into the 2nd round twice and get a pair of players like Ossai and Landon Dickerson. I think its going to be hard to get a team willing to move out of the 2nd let alone 2 teams. we could trade our 3rd round #66 and all three of our 4th rounders for about the #50 in the 2nd, and then still keep our three 3rd round picks.... We have enough capital to move into the second twice and still have 3rd and 4th picks left. I'd love to move up for both Landon Dickerson and Kellen Mond in the 2nd. No more trade downs!

Pager -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/30/2021 10:41:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Pager quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M I'm going to predict we don't find a trade partner and have to sit out 33 picks. This was my concern when we traded back. It was a big move up for the Jets and they got the guy they really wanted. Give up some capital and get the Jets 2nd. We'd be picking 2nd in the second round. Easier to move back from there if we want than up. It's always easy to play armchair GM, but when you have 15 minutes and someone calls, there is a lot of things to think about. What it tells me is that our GM didn't see a discernable difference between the talent available at 14 or 23. I'm not giving Spielman a pass. This is what he always does. He values multiple lower picks over higher picks. Sometimes that a great strategy. Sometimes it's not. This draft, I want fewer bullets and higher quality.

TJSweens -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/30/2021 10:42:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H Overall, I thought the move that Minnesota made to get two thirds and Darrisaw was a solid play. They needed an OT and they got a decent one. They needed added depth in the draft as a result of not much action in free agency, and got two third-round picks. I would have rather seen a second round pick, but they only had so much leverage and the #66 is fairly close to a late second. Now they need to get at least one solid interior guy in the third, and they've got a handful of picks to make it happen. Actually, they need a Day 1 starter at OG, so they'd better know how they're getting that. Maybe there's a guy they've ID'd, maybe there's a move with a current pro (trade or street FA) that they know they can make to find a starter. But one thing is 100% clear: Dozier ain't it. It's encouraging to hear Spielman say that they're looking for bigger, stronger offensive linemen. It's about time. Ben Cleveland sounds like he'd be a nice addition in the 3rd round. Landon Dickerson is a supposed stud at C. I want him cuz he can play G now and then move over to C after Bradbury busts. Cleveland would also be a good get. Not sure if he's starting material but he'd be great in the dumbo package . So was both Elflein and Bradbury. I'm okay with Bradbury for another year. It's make or break with him this season. I'd like to see him with some talent around him to see what he really has. It's pretty tough with turnstiles on either side of you. The difference is that Elflein and Bradbury were both known to be light in the shorts and in need of a lot quality time in the weight room. Dickerson is big, strong and mean. He is a punisher at the point of attack. He is also versatile, so I would happily put him at RG and slide Cleveland over to the left. We'll see if 3rd year is the charm for Bradbury adding enough strength. As a general rule, what you add in strength you can lose in mobility. The Vikings o-line, believe it or not, is very good at zone blocking in the running game. A lot depends on what the younger Kubiak wants to do on offense. We've all discussed at length that the line is pretty solid in the run game. The issue is that IOL gets blown off the ball in pass protection. The Vikings have paid too much attention to IOL being athletic and not enough to them being strong. Adding strength leading to restricted mobility is a myth. Modern training techniques are designed to improve both. Adding strength leading to restricted mobility is a myth? I'm not sure I agree with that. I'm sure there is some that do, but.... That's a big statement to make. How did Byron Buxton add 25 lbs over the last 2 years and get even faster? He was a wiry kid who hit the weight room hard and continued to work with his high school track coach to maintain speed and agility. They days of training just to add size and bulk are over. In fact a lot of modern training is geared to increasing strength without adding significant bulk. It's counter productive to make the body stronger, but force it to carry excess weight. Adding strength to Byron Buxton and adding strength to Bradbury are two entirely different things. Nice try, but it doesn't hold any water. They aren't different at all. Bradbury weighs 305 lbs., which good enough for a center. The issue is not size or bulk. The issue is his strength at that size. He can strengthen his legs and upper body without adding any significant bulk. Mobility is compromised excess bulk, not getting stronger. Believe me, sports training has come a long way since Bud coached the Vikings.

TJSweens -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/30/2021 10:45:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Pager quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Pager quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M I'm going to predict we don't find a trade partner and have to sit out 33 picks. This was my concern when we traded back. It was a big move up for the Jets and they got the guy they really wanted. Give up some capital and get the Jets 2nd. We'd be picking 2nd in the second round. Easier to move back from there if we want than up. It's always easy to play armchair GM, but when you have 15 minutes and someone calls, there is a lot of things to think about. What it tells me is that our GM didn't see a discernable difference between the talent available at 14 or 23. I'm not giving Spielman a pass. This is what he always does. He values multiple lower picks over higher picks. Sometimes that a great strategy. Sometimes it's not. This draft, I want fewer bullets and higher quality. That's not completely true. Spielman explained his philosophy. Last year there were a lot of players late that he liked and did not want to have to compete for as undrafted FA, so he loaded up with extra 7ths to draft them. He said the talent this year is pretty weak in the late rounds due to covid. He is not interested in moving back for those player.

Phil Riewer -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/30/2021 10:47:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Pager quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Pager quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M I'm going to predict we don't find a trade partner and have to sit out 33 picks. This was my concern when we traded back. It was a big move up for the Jets and they got the guy they really wanted. Give up some capital and get the Jets 2nd. We'd be picking 2nd in the second round. Easier to move back from there if we want than up. It's always easy to play armchair GM, but when you have 15 minutes and someone calls, there is a lot of things to think about. What it tells me is that our GM didn't see a discernable difference between the talent available at 14 or 23. I'm not giving Spielman a pass. This is what he always does. He values multiple lower picks over higher picks. Sometimes that a great strategy. Sometimes it's not. This draft, I want fewer bullets and higher quality. I think that is what they are going to do...future isn't guaranteed for Zimmer/Spielman. You see that with 1 year contracts for PP, Barr, Woods, and only a 2-year for Dalvin DT.

marty -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/30/2021 10:48:23 AM)
I would like to see the Vikings trade all 4 4ths to get 2 more 3rds. With 6 3rd rounders, the Vikes could sorta control the round, a lesser chance of getting sniped. Most of all, I think it would just be fun.

marty -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/30/2021 10:52:53 AM)
If the Vikes trade into the 2nd, I think it will be for a QB, probably Mills, maybe Mond. I could see the Vikes trading away one of their 3rds for a 2nd round pick next year, or trading one of their 4ths for a 3rd rounder next year. If they do, hopefully it's with a team that is likely to have a bad season.

ronhextall -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/30/2021 10:59:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marty If the Vikes trade into the 2nd, I think it will be for a QB, probably Mills, maybe Mond. I could see the Vikes trading away one of their 3rds for a 2nd round pick next year, or trading one of their 4ths for a 3rd rounder next year. If they do, hopefully it's with a team that is likely to have a bad season. Mills is the 'sexy' pick by many as a possible franchise QB.

Brad H -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/30/2021 11:00:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H Overall, I thought the move that Minnesota made to get two thirds and Darrisaw was a solid play. They needed an OT and they got a decent one. They needed added depth in the draft as a result of not much action in free agency, and got two third-round picks. I would have rather seen a second round pick, but they only had so much leverage and the #66 is fairly close to a late second. Now they need to get at least one solid interior guy in the third, and they've got a handful of picks to make it happen. Actually, they need a Day 1 starter at OG, so they'd better know how they're getting that. Maybe there's a guy they've ID'd, maybe there's a move with a current pro (trade or street FA) that they know they can make to find a starter. But one thing is 100% clear: Dozier ain't it. It's encouraging to hear Spielman say that they're looking for bigger, stronger offensive linemen. It's about time. Ben Cleveland sounds like he'd be a nice addition in the 3rd round. Landon Dickerson is a supposed stud at C. I want him cuz he can play G now and then move over to C after Bradbury busts. Cleveland would also be a good get. Not sure if he's starting material but he'd be great in the dumbo package . So was both Elflein and Bradbury. I'm okay with Bradbury for another year. It's make or break with him this season. I'd like to see him with some talent around him to see what he really has. It's pretty tough with turnstiles on either side of you. The difference is that Elflein and Bradbury were both known to be light in the shorts and in need of a lot quality time in the weight room. Dickerson is big, strong and mean. He is a punisher at the point of attack. He is also versatile, so I would happily put him at RG and slide Cleveland over to the left. We'll see if 3rd year is the charm for Bradbury adding enough strength. As a general rule, what you add in strength you can lose in mobility. The Vikings o-line, believe it or not, is very good at zone blocking in the running game. A lot depends on what the younger Kubiak wants to do on offense. We've all discussed at length that the line is pretty solid in the run game. The issue is that IOL gets blown off the ball in pass protection. The Vikings have paid too much attention to IOL being athletic and not enough to them being strong. Adding strength leading to restricted mobility is a myth. Modern training techniques are designed to improve both. Adding strength leading to restricted mobility is a myth? I'm not sure I agree with that. I'm sure there is some that do, but.... That's a big statement to make. How did Byron Buxton add 25 lbs over the last 2 years and get even faster? He was a wiry kid who hit the weight room hard and continued to work with his high school track coach to maintain speed and agility. They days of training just to add size and bulk are over. In fact a lot of modern training is geared to increasing strength without adding significant bulk. It's counter productive to make the body stronger, but force it to carry excess weight. Adding strength to Byron Buxton and adding strength to Bradbury are two entirely different things. Nice try, but it doesn't hold any water. They aren't different at all. Bradbury weighs 305 lbs., which good enough for a center. The issue is not size or bulk. The issue is his strength at that size. He can strengthen his legs and upper body without adding any significant bulk. Mobility is compromised excess bulk, not getting stronger. Believe me, sports training has come a long way since Bud coached the Vikings. The difference for a center getting out and making an effective block on a stretch run, versus not, can be very minimal. To say from your armchair that you know what is takes is arrogant and naive. Byron Buxton was a wiry kid when he was young. He's added the weight he should have added, and didn't lose any mobility because he had room for 25 pounds. In addition, football isn't baseball. It's different muscle groups and different needs. To think that a guy like Bradbury could add 10 pounds of muscle and not lose mobility is just stupid. Maybe the kid is just soft. You can keep trying this argument if you wish, but it's dumb as hell. It's not all about weight or mobility. It also has to do with technique. That's another element you are missing in your argument.

Todd M -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/30/2021 11:01:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marty I would like to see the Vikings trade all 4 4ths to get 2 more 3rds. With 6 3rd rounders, the Vikes could sorta control the round, a lesser chance of getting sniped. Most of all, I think it would just be fun. How many times do you need to hear we don't have 4 4ts?

TJSweens -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/30/2021 11:04:07 AM)
Vikings draft tackle Christian Darrisaw with No. 23 pick after trading down By CHRIS TOMASSON \| ctomasson@pioneerpress.com \| Pioneer Press PUBLISHED: April 29, 2021 at 9:15 p.m. \| UPDATED: April 30, 2021 at 1:33 a.m. Draft analyst and former Vikings safety Corey Chavous said last week it would be “grand larceny” if the Vikings were able to take Virginia Tech tackle Christian Darrisaw with the No. 14 pick in the NFL draft. Well, on Thursday night they got him at No. 23. The Vikings traded down nine spots with the New York Jets and picked up two additional third-round picks. And they still got a player they had coveted in Darrisaw, who has the potential to move into Minnesota’s starting lineup as a rookie at left tackle. “If we were considering a guy strongly at 14 and we were still able to get him where we got him, that was a great night for us,’’ said Vikings general manager Rick Spielman. Head coach Mike Zimmer said the Vikings did “a lot of homework” on Darrisaw, but Spielman said the first time he spoke to Darrisaw was to tell him Thursday night he had been drafted. “I had one Zoom meeting with the Vikings with the O-line coach (Rick Dennison),’’ Darrisaw said. “It definitely was surprising. … But I knew this could be a possible situation that I could be put into.’’ The 6-foot-5, 322-pound Darrisaw was a three-year starter for Hokies. The Vikings are looking at him to hopefully be their starting left tackle after they released Riley Reiff last month in a salary-related move. “He’ll be at left tackle but he’s got to come in and compete and win the job just like everybody else,’’ Zimmer said. “So we’ll be able to keep (Brian) O’Neill at right (tackle) and go from there.’’ If Darrisaw is as advertised, the Vikings also are expected to keep Ezra Cleveland at right guard. He had been considered a possible candidate to replace Reiff. “I definitely think I have what it takes,’’ Darrisaw said of taking over on the left side. “No matter what the situation I’m put in, I feel like I’m going to come out on top.’’ The Vikings traded the No. 14 pick in the first round and the No. 143 pick in the fourth round to the Jets. They got back the No. 23 pick in the first round, the No. 66 selection in the third round and the No. 86 pick in the third. With the No. 14 pick, the Jets selected guard Alijah Vera-Tucker of USC. The Vikings still don’t have a second-round pick, but they have four third-round selections for Friday night, including No. 66, which is the second one in the third. The Vikings already had the No. 78 and 90 selections in the third round. “We have more than enough ammunition to move up into second round,’’ Spielman said. As for the first round, Darrisaw was elated to hear his name called. “This is definitely a dream come true, just growing up as a kid, just wanting to be in the moment,’’ Darrisaw said. “I couldn’t be happier. This is a surreal moment, for sure. I’m just so grateful to be a Minnesota Viking. I can’t wait to get to work with all my teammates and the coaches.’’ Spielman said the Vikings made calls to try to move up in the draft but he wouldn’t give any details. The two top tackles in the draft were gone by No. 14, with Oregon’s Penei Sewell going No. 7 to Detroit and Northwestern’s Rashawn Slater No. 13 to the Los Angeles Chargers. “To be honest with you, we were a little tight in the draft room,’’ Spielman said of making the trade and hoping that Darrisaw would still be available at No. 23. Spielman said the Vikings did try to trade up from No. 23, but couldn’t find a deal. Zimmer said the Vikings had some other players they liked at No. 23 if Darrisaw had not been available but didn’t name them. “We’re excited to get Christian here,’’ Zimmer said. “He’s a big, athletic left tackle. He moves really well in the zone-blocking scheme, he has good power. We felt we needed to not just get athletic but we needed some more size on the offensive line. He does a nice job with protection.’’ Spielman said Darrisaw had sports hernia surgery in January but that all the medical reports were good, the final ones coming in two hours before the draft. Darrisaw became the first tackle taken by the Vikings in the first round since Matt Kalil went No. 4 in 2012.

TJSweens -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/30/2021 11:06:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M quote: ORIGINAL: marty I would like to see the Vikings trade all 4 4ths to get 2 more 3rds. With 6 3rd rounders, the Vikes could sorta control the round, a lesser chance of getting sniped. Most of all, I think it would just be fun. How many times do you need to hear we don't have 4 4ts? Wouldn't 4 4ths be a whole?

kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/30/2021 11:07:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M We have the ammo to get a starting guard, an edge rusher, and a qbotf... And we should do just that.

Phil Riewer -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/30/2021 11:10:08 AM)
Rumor from Doogie is it would have cost 2022 1st (plus current year pick) to move up to 7 to get Fields....

kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/30/2021 11:11:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom I was declaring Bateman a first round pick and somebody else here was saying 3rd. I'm on a minor roll here. Virtually every board had him lower first round and rightfully so. Anyone saying 3rd round is just anti-Gopher grumpiness. I forget who it was, but it was a regular. He told me I must be thinking Batman [&:].

kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/30/2021 11:14:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H Overall, I thought the move that Minnesota made to get two thirds and Darrisaw was a solid play. They needed an OT and they got a decent one. They needed added depth in the draft as a result of not much action in free agency, and got two third-round picks. I would have rather seen a second round pick, but they only had so much leverage and the #66 is fairly close to a late second. Now they need to get at least one solid interior guy in the third, and they've got a handful of picks to make it happen. Agree on all. but he got extremely lucky Darrisaw was there. What worries me is that Spielman will now think he's done enough for the oline and won't address G until the 6th rd. I'm also afraid he's going to trade down vs up and accumulate a bunch of 7th rd picks. Not sure Spielman can help himself regarding this accumulation of late rders. I would bet that we use 10 or less picks the remainder of the draft. I would bet we trade into the second round.

Todd M -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/30/2021 11:14:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Rumor from Doogie is it would have cost 2022 1st (plus current year pick) to move up to 7 to get Fields.... Next year is the year to go all in for a QB if we're still dissatisfied with Cousins inability to win it all. I wouldn't have liked that move at all this year.

TJSweens -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/30/2021 11:15:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro Landon Dickerson is a supposed stud at C. I want him cuz he can play G now and then move over to C after Bradbury busts. Cleveland would also be a good get. Not sure if he's starting material but he'd be great in the dumbo package . So was both Elflein and Bradbury. I'm okay with Bradbury for another year. It's make or break with him this season. I'd like to see him with some talent around him to see what he really has. It's pretty tough with turnstiles on either side of you. The difference is that Elflein and Bradbury were both known to be light in the shorts and in need of a lot quality time in the weight room. Dickerson is big, strong and mean. He is a punisher at the point of attack. He is also versatile, so I would happily put him at RG and slide Cleveland over to the left. We'll see if 3rd year is the charm for Bradbury adding enough strength. As a general rule, what you add in strength you can lose in mobility. The Vikings o-line, believe it or not, is very good at zone blocking in the running game. A lot depends on what the younger Kubiak wants to do on offense. We've all discussed at length that the line is pretty solid in the run game. The issue is that IOL gets blown off the ball in pass protection. The Vikings have paid too much attention to IOL being athletic and not enough to them being strong. Adding strength leading to restricted mobility is a myth. Modern training techniques are designed to improve both. Adding strength leading to restricted mobility is a myth? I'm not sure I agree with that. I'm sure there is some that do, but.... That's a big statement to make. How did Byron Buxton add 25 lbs over the last 2 years and get even faster? He was a wiry kid who hit the weight room hard and continued to work with his high school track coach to maintain speed and agility. They days of training just to add size and bulk are over. In fact a lot of modern training is geared to increasing strength without adding significant bulk. It's counter productive to make the body stronger, but force it to carry excess weight. Adding strength to Byron Buxton and adding strength to Bradbury are two entirely different things. Nice try, but it doesn't hold any water. They aren't different at all. Bradbury weighs 305 lbs., which good enough for a center. The issue is not size or bulk. The issue is his strength at that size. He can strengthen his legs and upper body without adding any significant bulk. Mobility is compromised excess bulk, not getting stronger. Believe me, sports training has come a long way since Bud coached the Vikings. The difference for a center getting out and making an effective block on a stretch run, versus not, can be very minimal. To say from your armchair that you know what is takes is arrogant and naive. Byron Buxton was a wiry kid when he was young. He's added the weight he should have added, and didn't lose any mobility because he had room for 25 pounds. In addition, football isn't baseball. It's different muscle groups and different needs. To think that a guy like Bradbury could add 10 pounds of muscle and not lose mobility is just stupid. Maybe the kid is just soft. You can keep trying this argument if you wish, but it's dumb as hell. It's not all about weight or mobility. It also has to do with technique. That's another element you are missing in your argument. You're making my case for me. Buxton added significant weight and lost nothing in his mobility. Your saying Bradbury can't get stronger without sacrificing mobility, which is flat out wrong. We're not talking about adding bulk to Bradbury. We are talking about adding strength, which is what the Vikings and every draft analyst out there said he needed to do. This isn't my arrogant armchair analysis.

Brad H -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/30/2021 11:16:41 AM)
Again, it's all about how much room a guy has on his frame. You seem to be missing that element. Buxton had room. Bradbury does not. He's maxed out. I'm pretty sure he has all the tools available to him to make sure he's at his best playing weight. You make it sound as if there is some secret sauce available. That's just nonsense and make believe.

kgdabom -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/30/2021 11:19:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hats4Bats I agree Pager.. Exactly the QB's I want us to target (Mills, Mond or Newman). I read somewhere late last night (so not sure where) that if Rodgers somehow ends up in Denver, we would be in on a trade for Drew Lock for a 4th or 5th rd pick? Thoughts? I wouldn't give up any better than a 6th round pick for Lock.

bohumm -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/30/2021 11:21:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H Overall, I thought the move that Minnesota made to get two thirds and Darrisaw was a solid play. They needed an OT and they got a decent one. They needed added depth in the draft as a result of not much action in free agency, and got two third-round picks. I would have rather seen a second round pick, but they only had so much leverage and the #66 is fairly close to a late second. Now they need to get at least one solid interior guy in the third, and they've got a handful of picks to make it happen. Actually, they need a Day 1 starter at OG, so they'd better know how they're getting that. Maybe there's a guy they've ID'd, maybe there's a move with a current pro (trade or street FA) that they know they can make to find a starter. But one thing is 100% clear: Dozier ain't it. It's encouraging to hear Spielman say that they're looking for bigger, stronger offensive linemen. It's about time. Ben Cleveland sounds like he'd be a nice addition in the 3rd round. Landon Dickerson is a supposed stud at C. I want him cuz he can play G now and then move over to C after Bradbury busts. Cleveland would also be a good get. Not sure if he's starting material but he'd be great in the dumbo package . So was both Elflein and Bradbury. I'm okay with Bradbury for another year. It's make or break with him this season. I'd like to see him with some talent around him to see what he really has. It's pretty tough with turnstiles on either side of you. The difference is that Elflein and Bradbury were both known to be light in the shorts and in need of a lot quality time in the weight room. Dickerson is big, strong and mean. He is a punisher at the point of attack. He is also versatile, so I would happily put him at RG and slide Cleveland over to the left. We'll see if 3rd year is the charm for Bradbury adding enough strength. From what I understand, Dickerson is both currently injured and has an extensive injury history. He probably won't be available/reliable for the first chunk of the season, so you'd have to be fine going into the season with what we have and comfortable with his history to select him.

bohumm -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/30/2021 11:23:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H Overall, I thought the move that Minnesota made to get two thirds and Darrisaw was a solid play. They needed an OT and they got a decent one. They needed added depth in the draft as a result of not much action in free agency, and got two third-round picks. I would have rather seen a second round pick, but they only had so much leverage and the #66 is fairly close to a late second. Now they need to get at least one solid interior guy in the third, and they've got a handful of picks to make it happen. Actually, they need a Day 1 starter at OG, so they'd better know how they're getting that. Maybe there's a guy they've ID'd, maybe there's a move with a current pro (trade or street FA) that they know they can make to find a starter. But one thing is 100% clear: Dozier ain't it. They need to trade into the 2nd and get their guy. No more waiting and drafting the best of the left overs. They easily have enough draft capital to move into the 2nd round twice and get a pair of players like Ossai and Landon Dickerson. I think its going to be hard to get a team willing to move out of the 2nd let alone 2 teams. we could trade our 3rd round #66 and all three of our 4th rounders for about the #50 in the 2nd, and then still keep our three 3rd round picks.... We have enough capital to move into the second twice and still have 3rd and 4th picks left. it would be nice to get into the 2nd, and still have three 3rd round picks...the 4th round starts to get washed out with all the compensitory picks in the 3rd & 4th.... I agree. There is a lot of value in the first three rounds this year without a lot of depth. Get four good players instead of accumulating mediocraty.

TJSweens -> RE: NFL Draft 2021 (4/30/2021 11:24:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H Again, it's all about how much room a guy has on his frame. You seem to be missing that element. Buxton had room. Bradbury does not. I'm not missing anything Brad. Room on his frame is irrelevant. For the 10th time in this discussion BRADBURY DOESN'T NEED TO ADD SIZE TO GET HIS MUSCLES STRONGER! I already said that the issue is not Bradury's size. It's his strength at that size. I'm not taking about packing an extra 20 lbs onto Bradbury's frame.

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