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Wonder what Ezra is thinking.

I have a feeling Ezra knew he was staying at G all along.

I have a feeling Ezra thought they would address guard in free agency and the draft, then he'd compete at OT.

I don't know why you think that. Spielman and Zimmer have never said anything about moving Cleveland. Spielman said the night they drafted him that Cleveland could play guard or tackle. Then he spent the whole season at guard. Speculation about Cleveland playing tackle has always come from the media and fan forums.

Maybe it's YOU projecting fandom. Per the Star-Tribune, Oct 2020: This spring, Spielman then declared Cleveland the left tackle of the future.

Not a quote mind you, but pretty close.

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Wonder what Ezra is thinking.

I have a feeling Ezra knew he was staying at G all along.

I have a feeling Ezra thought they would address guard in free agency and the draft, then he'd compete at OT.

I don't know why you think that. Spielman and Zimmer have never said anything about moving Cleveland. Spielman said the night they drafted him that Cleveland could play guard or tackle. Then he spent the whole season at guard. Speculation about Cleveland playing tackle has always come from the media and fan forums.

Maybe it's YOU projecting fandom. Per the Star-Tribune, Oct 2020: This spring, Spielman then declared Cleveland the left tackle of the future.

Not a quote mind you, but pretty close.

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Spielman then declared Cleveland the left tackle of the future.

The paragraphs immediately following that line.

But coaches moved him to guard this summer, when he emerged after training camp as the fourth option behind Dakota Dozier, Elflein and Samia.

Offensive line coach Rick Dennison said last month that coaches are keeping open the possibility of moving Cleveland back to t ackle, but for now he is the latest player rolling through the Vikings’ conveyor belt at guard, a position in a years long run of inconsistency and injuries. Cleveland was the 16th guard to appear in a Vikings regular-season game since Brandon Fusco and Mike Harris played every snap in 2015.

I don't think there is any reason to believe Cleveland was expecting to play LT.

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Ben Goessling
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The days of the #Vikings not investing in their offensive line are long gone: Since 2018, no team in the NFL has used as many first- or second round picks on linemen.

The question now is: Will it work?

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OK thats news to me.

And yet many of us bitch and moan that we/Rick isn't using enough assets on the OL.

That doesn’t include Free Agency either

Many of us bitch about the results.

Bitching about the results I have no problem with whatsoever. I personally think we will have a good O Line sometime soon.
However, saying we're not putting enough assets into the OL when we are putting the most in the NFL into it is ridiculous.

If its not working, you have to put more. If you are not good at it, it takes you more tries to get it right.

If would absolutely be ridiculous to not add another OL until the 4th rd or after.

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Ben Goessling
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The days of the #Vikings not investing in their offensive line are long gone: Since 2018, no team in the NFL has used as many first- or second round picks on linemen.

The question now is: Will it work?

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OK thats news to me.

And yet many of us bitch and moan that we/Rick isn't using enough assets on the OL.

That doesn’t include Free Agency either

Many of us bitch about the results.

Bitching about the results I have no problem with whatsoever. I personally think we will have a good O Line sometime soon.
However, saying we're not putting enough assets into the OL when we are putting the most in the NFL into it is ridiculous.

If its not working, you have to put more. If you are not good at it, it takes you more tries to get it right.

If would absolutely be ridiculous to not add another OL until the 4th rd or after.

We have four 3rd round picks. We should use minimum of two of those on Oline.
we have three 4th round picks. We should use at least one of those on it as well.

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Ben Goessling
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The days of the #Vikings not investing in their offensive line are long gone: Since 2018, no team in the NFL has used as many first- or second round picks on linemen.

The question now is: Will it work?

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OK thats news to me.

And yet many of us bitch and moan that we/Rick isn't using enough assets on the OL.

That doesn’t include Free Agency either

Many of us bitch about the results.

They need to find some scouts that are really good at evaluating OLine talent.

As much as we've invested Draft pick wise we've gotten garbage in return.

That's on scouting.

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GM Rick Spielman on KFAN says the "sweet spot" in this draft is third and fourth round of the draft and the #Vikings have a lot of picks then.

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GZUZ that's insulting.

Spielman: 'Oh really, we have 7 picks in rds 3-4 ... really? Everybody and their mama is trying to trade out of the 2nd rd and into 3-4 rd sweet spot. How absurdly coincidental and how lucky for us.'

Sure Rick. You are out of your mind.

We'll remind you about that after you trade up into the 2nd, and then trade down for extra late rd picks. Or trade picks for picks next year.

You are going to do anything but take advantage of this year's 'sweet spot'.

100% my issue. And adding to my angst, Spielman is talking out of both sides of his mouth. 3rd/4th is the sweet spot vs We have the assets to move up into the 2nd. Let me guess, we tried to trade up but we couldn't make it work.

Moving on to last nights pick. The big question for me when we look at this draft for years to come - will be which would have been the better outcome?:

Ezra-AVT-Bradbury-TBD-Oneil

Or

Darrisaw-Ezra-Bradbury-TBD-Oneil. (assuming Ezra flips which he might not).

Ezra might never get the chance to play Tackle, it might be a hypothetical exercise. But it will be interesting.

Ezra in either is a questionmark, but at least he played T in college. Slight edge for him playing T.

So it's mainly Darrisaw who is a 7.5 out of 10 at LT vs. AVT being an 8.5 out of 10 at G. But say they both pan out... I'd clearly take the LT. Premium position. Guard just seems like it is now for us because we have nobody.

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GM Rick Spielman on KFAN says the "sweet spot" in this draft is third and fourth round of the draft and the #Vikings have a lot of picks then.

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GZUZ that's insulting.

Spielman: 'Oh really, we have 7 picks in rds 3-4 ... really? Everybody and their mama is trying to trade out of the 2nd rd and into 3-4 rd sweet spot. How absurdly coincidental and how lucky for us.'

Sure Rick. You are out of your mind.

We'll remind you about that after you trade up into the 2nd, and then trade down for extra late rd picks. Or trade picks for picks next year.

You are going to do anything but take advantage of this year's 'sweet spot'.

100% my issue. And adding to my angst, Spielman is talking out of both sides of his mouth. 3rd/4th is the sweet spot vs We have the assets to move up into the 2nd. Let me guess, we tried to trade up but we couldn't make it work.

Moving on to last nights pick. The big question for me when we look at this draft for years to come - will be which would have been the better outcome?:

Ezra-AVT-Bradbury-TBD-Oneil

Or

Darrisaw-Ezra-Bradbury-TBD-Oneil. (assuming Ezra flips which he might not).

Ezra might never get the chance to play Tackle, it might be a hypothetical exercise. But it will be interesting.

Ezra in either is a questionmark, but at least he played T in college. Slight edge for him playing T.

So it's mainly Darrisaw who is a 7.5 out of 10 at LT vs. AVT being an 8.5 out of 10 at G. But say they both pan out... I'd clearly take the LT. Premium position. Guard just seems like it is now for us because we have nobody.

Pretty good summary and agree on AVT vs Darrisaw both developing into the same high level of a player (tackle being the premium position).

If Ezra can't ever develop pass blocking and hold up to the DTs, more than a slight edge at Tackle where that would be less of a premium need (he still needs to handle bull rushes but easier to do vs a 260 lb DE vs a 300+ DT).

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Sweens hired a couple of minimum wagers:

Find me that Spielman quote I made up!

Uh, here is one trumping Cleveland's versatility even though there is zero evidence of him playing G in college.

Good enough!

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So much for the multi year running 'Spielman has been criminally negligent addressing OL'.

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Sweens hired a couple of minimum wagers:

Find me that Spielman quote I made up!

Uh, here is one trumping Cleveland's versatility even though there is zero evidence of him playing G in college.

Good enough!

The issue is you pretending to know that Cleveland was led to believe going into the offseason that he would play LT. I don't think he was told that. Spielman doesn't decide where he plays. Zimmer and the coaching staff do and I am sure his position coaches have been communicating with him on preparations. When the Vikings didn't address the guard position in FA, I'm sure he had to know that staying at guard was a possibility.

I guess I am just not as obsessed with Cleveland playing tackle. And I don't feel sorry for him. He earned a starting job as a rookie. He is guaranteed that job in year two. I really don't see where the Vikings have wronged Cleveland.

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So much for the multi year running 'Spielman has been criminally negligent addressing OL'.

Hardly. Spielman’s problem is that if he picks an olineman early in the draft he decides his work there is done and then he waits until the later rounds to take another swing at the position. The problem with that strategy is that if you swing and miss on your early round pick, you’re left with an oline that starts Dru Samia and Dakota Dozier...

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So much for the multi year running 'Spielman has been criminally negligent addressing OL'.

Hardly. Spielman’s problem is that if he picks an olineman early in the draft he decides his work there is done and then he waits until the later rounds to take another swing at the position. The problem with that strategy is that if you swing and miss on your early round pick, you’re left with an oline that starts Dru Samia and Dakota Dozier...

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So much for the multi year running 'Spielman has been criminally negligent addressing OL'.

Hardly. Spielman’s problem is that if he picks an olineman early in the draft he decides his work there is done and then he waits until the later rounds to take another swing at the position. The problem with that strategy is that if you swing and miss on your early round pick, you’re left with an oline that starts Dru Samia and Dakota Dozier...

Conversely, one addition at guard and we'll have rebuilt our entire OL in 4 years with top draft picks.

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OK, overposted again. Draft day two begins....