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Despite this, I wonder if put in a potentially good situation, with the right HC, how would Cousins do in:

INDY - He has a better deep ball than Rivers, would have a good OL, weak WRs, but good defense.

LARAMS - McVay has worked well with Cousins in the past, and now has a good defense in LA. Cousins has to be better than Goff, half of his balls are in the dirt.

The Vikings should work out a trade with the Colts or Rams, then either trade for Watson, draft a QB, or trade for potential. Maybe give someone like Winston a try. I don't think you can get Mahomes/Alle /Wilson/Rogers/Brady/Jackson, etc ...

Our next Josh Freeman.

Zimmer would crap himself before the end of the first quarter with Winston at the controls.

I am not saying Winston doesn't have a future, and maybe a darn good one, but Zimmer isn't the type of coach for that type of QB.

Zimmer is a dinosaur, he can't handle anything but running the ball and passing if he absolutely has to. (unless its second and long, then he runs it anyway).

55 TDs

5000 passing yards.

1:1 TD/TO ratio

I'm not touting Winston I'm trying to show that numbers need context.

I get what you are saying.

I'm saying we didn't make playoffs because of the defense. The offense held up their end of the bargain, and then some.

If we had just a bunch of yards and average PPG, then I think you would be right.

Well we were 4th in yards and 11th in points so it's close to that. The context that I'd add is that we were scrambling in the 4th quarter trying to catch up or in garbage time much more often than when we were just kneeling down the ball to run out the clock with a lead.

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Finally, special teams needs to be so much better. By basically any metric, the Vikings had the second-worst special teams unit in the NFL. Because of that, they routinely had poor field position to start drives and gave opponents good field position on their possessions. And that doesn’t even take into account their kicking game.

By chance did you see the Packers' special teams this season?

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Despite this, I wonder if put in a potentially good situation, with the right HC, how would Cousins do in:

INDY - He has a better deep ball than Rivers, would have a good OL, weak WRs, but good defense.

LARAMS - McVay has worked well with Cousins in the past, and now has a good defense in LA. Cousins has to be better than Goff, half of his balls are in the dirt.

The Vikings should work out a trade with the Colts or Rams, then either trade for Watson, draft a QB, or trade for potential. Maybe give someone like Winston a try. I don't think you can get Mahomes/Alle /Wilson/Rogers/Brady/Jackson, etc ...

Our next Josh Freeman.

Zimmer would crap himself before the end of the first quarter with Winston at the controls.

I am not saying Winston doesn't have a future, and maybe a darn good one, but Zimmer isn't the type of coach for that type of QB.

Zimmer is a dinosaur, he can't handle anything but running the ball and passing if he absolutely has to. (unless its second and long, then he runs it anyway).

55 TDs

5000 passing yards.

1:1 TD/TO ratio

I'm not touting Winston I'm trying to show that numbers need context.

I get what you are saying.

I'm saying we didn't make playoffs because of the defense. The offense held up their end of the bargain, and then some.

If we had just a bunch of yards and average PPG, then I think you would be right.

Well we were 4th in yards and 11th in points so it's close to that. The context that I'd add is that we were scrambling in the 4th quarter trying to catch up or in garbage time much more often than when we were just kneeling down the ball to run out the clock with a lead.

Is that a dinosaur offense?

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Despite this, I wonder if put in a potentially good situation, with the right HC, how would Cousins do in:

INDY - He has a better deep ball than Rivers, would have a good OL, weak WRs, but good defense.

LARAMS - McVay has worked well with Cousins in the past, and now has a good defense in LA. Cousins has to be better than Goff, half of his balls are in the dirt.

The Vikings should work out a trade with the Colts or Rams, then either trade for Watson, draft a QB, or trade for potential. Maybe give someone like Winston a try. I don't think you can get Mahomes/Alle /Wilson/Rogers/Brady/Jackson, etc ...

Our next Josh Freeman.

Zimmer would crap himself before the end of the first quarter with Winston at the controls.

I am not saying Winston doesn't have a future, and maybe a darn good one, but Zimmer isn't the type of coach for that type of QB.

Zimmer is a dinosaur, he can't handle anything but running the ball and passing if he absolutely has to. (unless its second and long, then he runs it anyway).

55 TDs

5000 passing yards.

1:1 TD/TO ratio

I'm not touting Winston I'm trying to show that numbers need context.

I get what you are saying.

I'm saying we didn't make playoffs because of the defense. The offense held up their end of the bargain, and then some.

If we had just a bunch of yards and average PPG, then I think you would be right.

Well we were 4th in yards and 11th in points so it's close to that. The context that I'd add is that we were scrambling in the 4th quarter trying to catch up or in garbage time much more often than when we were just kneeling down the ball to run out the clock with a lead.

More often than not, the defense was to blame for that.

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Despite this, I wonder if put in a potentially good situation, with the right HC, how would Cousins do in:

INDY - He has a better deep ball than Rivers, would have a good OL, weak WRs, but good defense.

LARAMS - McVay has worked well with Cousins in the past, and now has a good defense in LA. Cousins has to be better than Goff, half of his balls are in the dirt.

The Vikings should work out a trade with the Colts or Rams, then either trade for Watson, draft a QB, or trade for potential. Maybe give someone like Winston a try. I don't think you can get Mahomes/Alle /Wilson/Rogers/Brady/Jackson, etc ...

Our next Josh Freeman.

Zimmer would crap himself before the end of the first quarter with Winston at the controls.

I am not saying Winston doesn't have a future, and maybe a darn good one, but Zimmer isn't the type of coach for that type of QB.

Zimmer is a dinosaur, he can't handle anything but running the ball and passing if he absolutely has to. (unless its second and long, then he runs it anyway).

55 TDs

5000 passing yards.

1:1 TD/TO ratio

I'm not touting Winston I'm trying to show that numbers need context.

I get what you are saying.

I'm saying we didn't make playoffs because of the defense. The offense held up their end of the bargain, and then some.

If we had just a bunch of yards and average PPG, then I think you would be right.

Well we were 4th in yards and 11th in points so it's close to that. The context that I'd add is that we were scrambling in the 4th quarter trying to catch up or in garbage time much more often than when we were just kneeling down the ball to run out the clock with a lead.

Is that a dinosaur offense?

Yes. We're a dinosaur offense because we run it on 2nd-and-long not just too much, but WAY too much. We also only give Justin Jefferson an average of 3 targets in the first half of games. Contrast that to Buffalo and the 5+ first-half targets they give Diggs. We have a run-first offense yet we don't spell Cook with Mattison nearly enough so when the second half of the season hits Cook becomes less effective by a large extent. We still play our tight ends like it's 1932.

If you take away Jefferson and Thielen, the #2 and #6 WRs in the league, both of which we fell back-asswards into, and our offense becomes bottom half of the league real quick.

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Good stuff David. I would also include not throwing enough on 1st down, never taking shots on 2nd and short (this drives me crazy). Running into the teeth of the defense on third and short (our biggest Achilles heel).

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Cousins isn't much better than Tony Romo, he puts up nice stats, but doesn't appear to be very clutch.

Diggs didn't like him, and Griffen said last week on Twitter that Cousins is ass.

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Good stuff David. I would also include not throwing enough on 1st down, never taking shots on 2nd and short (this drives me crazy). Running into the teeth of the defense on third and short (our biggest Achilles heel).

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Cousins isn't much better than Tony Romo, he puts up nice stats, but doesn't appear to be very clutch.

Diggs didn't like him, and Griffen said last week on Twitter that Cousins is ass.

Griffen also retracted that statement, and said he was going to get help. And Diggs couldn't stand being WR1a or WR2, that's where he was at. Can you say Stephon Marbury?

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Cousins isn't much better than Tony Romo, he puts up nice stats, but doesn't appear to be very clutch.

Diggs didn't like him, and Griffen said last week on Twitter that Cousins is ass.

Griffen also retracted that statement, and said he was going to get help. And Diggs couldn't stand being WR1a or WR2, that's where he was at. Can you say Stephon Marbury?

Diggs is and was clearly better than Thielen, so he was WR1. I don't think that was the issue, though; it was being in an offense that didn't use its greatest strength to its best advantage.

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Cousins isn't much better than Tony Romo, he puts up nice stats, but doesn't appear to be very clutch.

Diggs didn't like him, and Griffen said last week on Twitter that Cousins is ass.

Griffen also retracted that statement, and said he was going to get help. And Diggs couldn't stand being WR1a or WR2, that's where he was at. Can you say Stephon Marbury?

Diggs is and was clearly better than Thielen, so he was WR1. I don't think that was the issue, though; it was being in an offense that didn't use its greatest strength to its best advantage.

Agree Diggs was our WR1. I also think he felt disrespected by the org. Diggs got his big contract a year after Theilen's. Only to see Theilen's get reworked shortly after for a tad more per than Diggs deal.

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Good stuff David. I would also include not throwing enough on 1st down, never taking shots on 2nd and short (this drives me crazy). Running into the teeth of the defense on third and short (our biggest Achilles heel).

I would add ALWAYS running the ball on 2nd and 10 after an incomplete pass on first down.

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What do you think about Ezra Cleveland? I believe he unfortunately has been inserted in the wrong position and that may continue if the Vikings select an OT in the first round as many speculate. When I think about that, I hope that they select a defensive lineman in the first round so that Cleveland can move to tackle where he belongs.

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Despite this, I wonder if put in a potentially good situation, with the right HC, how would Cousins do in:

INDY - He has a better deep ball than Rivers, would have a good OL, weak WRs, but good defense.

LARAMS - McVay has worked well with Cousins in the past, and now has a good defense in LA. Cousins has to be better than Goff, half of his balls are in the dirt.

The Vikings should work out a trade with the Colts or Rams, then either trade for Watson, draft a QB, or trade for potential. Maybe give someone like Winston a try. I don't think you can get Mahomes/Alle /Wilson/Rogers/Brady/Jackson, etc ...

Our next Josh Freeman.

Zimmer would crap himself before the end of the first quarter with Winston at the controls.

I am not saying Winston doesn't have a future, and maybe a darn good one, but Zimmer isn't the type of coach for that type of QB.

Zimmer is a dinosaur, he can't handle anything but running the ball and passing if he absolutely has to. (unless its second and long, then he runs it anyway).

55 TDs

5000 passing yards.

1:1 TD/TO ratio

I'm not touting Winston I'm trying to show that numbers need context.

I get what you are saying.

I'm saying we didn't make playoffs because of the defense. The offense held up their end of the bargain, and then some.

If we had just a bunch of yards and average PPG, then I think you would be right.

Well we were 4th in yards and 11th in points so it's close to that. The context that I'd add is that we were scrambling in the 4th quarter trying to catch up or in garbage time much more often than when we were just kneeling down the ball to run out the clock with a lead.

More often than not, the defense was to blame for that.

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Currently the biggest problem is our salary cap situation. Spielman has been careless going all in when clearly he needed to stand pat. The Wilf's are mostly to blame with this. But not being able to sign a few quality FA's per year to fill holes is really going to hamper efforts to build a contender. We're clearly in purgatory.

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Currently the biggest problem is our salary cap situation. Spielman has been careless going all in when clearly he needed to stand pat. The Wilf's are mostly to blame with this. But not being able to sign a few quality FA's per year to fill holes is really going to hamper efforts to build a contender. We're clearly in purgatory.

If the salary cap had not been reduced by Covid it would not have been as bad of a problem, but in that respect, I believe the Vikings are better than a lot of other teams. Still, it's bad. I agree.

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When your fastest, most competent route runners, with moves and hands, either doesn’t get the time or targets their talent deserves, because the coaching staff wants to run the human enema on second and anything, or third and short.. you know your short time to make an impact is being wasted.

I was not happy to see Diggs go.. he was a bit af a prima Donna, but his talent and ability to flip a game was off the charts..
I don’t blame him.

Look where he is now.. playing for a conference championship, while the KA offense, looks to try and fix a shabby defense and an epically, perennially bad offensive pass blocking scheme.

We run the ball, because it’s all we do really well..

You’d think playaction would be excellent, but if the line can’t sell and block a play action play, you might as well run strictly shotgun formation.
One dimensional is one dimensional, no matter what color construction paper you cover it with.

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When your fastest, most competent route runners, with moves and hands, either doesn’t get the time or targets their talent deserves, because the coaching staff wants to run the human enema on second and anything, or third and short.. you know your short time to make an impact is being wasted.

I was not happy to see Diggs go.. he was a bit af a prima Donna, but his talent and ability to flip a game was off the charts..
I don’t blame him.

Look where he is now.. playing for a conference championship, while the KA offense, looks to try and fix a shabby defense and an epically, perennially bad offensive pass blocking scheme.

We run the ball, because it’s all we do really well..

You’d think playaction would be excellent, but if the line can’t sell and block a play action play, you might as well run strictly shotgun formation.
One dimensional is one dimensional, no matter what color construction paper you cover it with.

Cousins is near the bottom of the list in the stat category 'difference in completion percentage from not play action to play action.' He averages about 7 percentage points less in completion percentage in play action. That's not good.