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bstinger -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/27/2021 2:21:57 PM)

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'According to Over the Cap, Rudolph’s cap figure for the 2021 season is almost $9.5 million. If the team were to designate him as a post-June 1 cut, they could save $8 million while having to eat a $1.5 million dead money hit. With Irv Smith Jr. having come on towards the end of the season and Tyler Conklin making an impression over the final few games of the year in Rudolph’s absence, an unwillingness to restructure his deal likely means the end of Rudolph’s time in purple.'...the daily norseman

B-bye!

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Pager -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/27/2021 2:45:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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The Vikings are middling until they strike lightening, probably more than once. The alternative path is building toward a goal 2-3 years out (at a minimum); the idea that they can plug enough major holes (at least 2 IOL spots, third corner, second safety, DE, DT, third receiving option) while papering over others is not a plan, it's a (faint) hope. This is especially true with no second-rounder this year and serious cap issues.

Working against a strategy that can deliver a true contender in three years are the facts that the leadership appears to think they can rebuild on the fly while staying competitive---a clear path to remaining a middling franchise in the long run---and also appears to not actually mind too much being a middling franchise. It seems fine with the Wilfs to make the playoffs every other year without much hope of being competitive beyond the conference semi-finals (or more likely the wild-card round).

As long as the Wilfs are the owners, middling is probably as good as it gets.



I think Wilfs have been above average owners, willing to spend money. There's a balance between providing too much or too little rope when it comes to GM/HC. I don't judge them too harshly right now (yet).

Last year's draft is still looking pretty impressive (way to early to say def). If we have a similar draft, with returning players like Hunter/Pierce, and continued player development. HUGE IFs, but if that came together, I could see this team competing. We were 7-9 and almost beat Seattle on the road.

My biggest concern is talent recognition and team building. Losing my faith. With the way Ezra stepped in and provided an upgrade and other examples, are we utilizing the talent on the team? Or staying with underperformers too long? FO also completely misread with the Yannick, probably Rudy, Barr, etc.

I think there's no issue with their willingness to spend, which is welcome, but they need to spend it well, and that's where we seem to have trouble. I also agree that they're above average, but that seems to be their ceiling unless the team catches lightening and they're good or very good. None of those things get you to a Super Bowl, though, much less a Super Bowl win. I think the Wilfs are 7-10 win owners, occasionally a little better and occasionally a little bit worse. They botched---in my estimation---the extensions for Spielman and Zimmer, who in turn botched the Cousins extension....and I like Cousins more than most on here.

If they were players, the Wilfs would just miss out on the Pro Bowl in their best years, but gain selection as alternates for the really good players on really good teams who make it to the Super Bowl. That basically sums up the Vikings franchise as a whole for all but four years of their entire history.



I'm right there with you. On FO extension and by extension Cousins extension. Say contract extensions were not give, all three would have expired contracts right now. Would you extend all of them? Does COVID play a role in us going 7-9?

I certainly don't want to have the instability of the Jets, turning churning through FO and HCs. But Zimmer and Spielman haven't won the Superbowl. Would you rather have a Jerry Jones or Jags Owner?

I don't know. I am confident if we have a terrible year next year, $ will not be the reason why the Wilfs retain the FO (I think they are willing to eat the contracts), which is not insignificant.




Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/27/2021 4:16:51 PM)

But top GM and coaching talent comes at a price, not sure they are willing to pay that and the current contracts especially with COVID based income reductions. They could take some chances on unproven talent.




Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/27/2021 4:31:48 PM)

Folks sure are optimistic about the D recovering:

- S who is a UFA and likely will bolt
- S who is expensive and slowing down
- Safety depth does not exist

- LB injured, expensive
- LB injured, expensive (Kendricks has some miles and hits on him)
- LB who is a UFA looking to get paid
- LB depth virtually nonexistent

- CB who had a good rookie year
- CB who had a mixed rookie year
- CB who?
- CB depth only in a technical sense

- DE who may or may not return from neck surgery and may want a new contract
- DE who is really a situational player
- DT who sat out for COVID and COVID still exists
- DT who filled in for fat DT who sat out and is a career backup
- The usual sprinkling of DL hopefuls and unknowns

A negative cap at the moment.
A net negative of high draft picks.
An OL who has to have one-two new guards.

Some mainstays (Griffin, Joseph, Rhodes) of the past good defenses are long gone with some now older (Smith, Hendricks) and injured (Barr, Hunter), with UFAs (Wilson, Harris) we can't afford.




Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/27/2021 4:46:54 PM)

Can see Zimmer wanting to go D at #14 to preserve his legacy as a defensive guru.

DE Paye from Michigan has a suddenness at 270 lbs but they might still try to rest on their laurels for making a 4th rounder into a star. Rousseau from Miami scares me in a bad way. At LB, Parsons is the only candidate and he should be gone. No safeties good enough for #14.

Go with DE Paye, DT Barmore, or CBs Surtain/Farley and call it a day.




JT2 -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2021 12:46:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

The Vikings are middling until they strike lightening, probably more than once. The alternative path is building toward a goal 2-3 years out (at a minimum); the idea that they can plug enough major holes (at least 2 IOL spots, third corner, second safety, DE, DT, third receiving option) while papering over others is not a plan, it's a (faint) hope. This is especially true with no second-rounder this year and serious cap issues.

Working against a strategy that can deliver a true contender in three years are the facts that the leadership appears to think they can rebuild on the fly while staying competitive---a clear path to remaining a middling franchise in the long run---and also appears to not actually mind too much being a middling franchise. It seems fine with the Wilfs to make the playoffs every other year without much hope of being competitive beyond the conference semi-finals (or more likely the wild-card round).

As long as the Wilfs are the owners, middling is probably as good as it gets.



I think Wilfs have been above average owners, willing to spend money. There's a balance between providing too much or too little rope when it comes to GM/HC. I don't judge them too harshly right now (yet).

Last year's draft is still looking pretty impressive (way to early to say def). If we have a similar draft, with returning players like Hunter/Pierce, and continued player development. HUGE IFs, but if that came together, I could see this team competing. We were 7-9 and almost beat Seattle on the road.

My biggest concern is talent recognition and team building. Losing my faith. With the way Ezra stepped in and provided an upgrade and other examples, are we utilizing the talent on the team? Or staying with underperformers too long? FO also completely misread with the Yannick, probably Rudy, Barr, etc.

I think there's no issue with their willingness to spend, which is welcome, but they need to spend it well, and that's where we seem to have trouble. I also agree that they're above average, but that seems to be their ceiling unless the team catches lightening and they're good or very good. None of those things get you to a Super Bowl, though, much less a Super Bowl win. I think the Wilfs are 7-10 win owners, occasionally a little better and occasionally a little bit worse. They botched---in my estimation---the extensions for Spielman and Zimmer, who in turn botched the Cousins extension....and I like Cousins more than most on here.

If they were players, the Wilfs would just miss out on the Pro Bowl in their best years, but gain selection as alternates for the really good players on really good teams who make it to the Super Bowl. That basically sums up the Vikings franchise as a whole for all but four years of their entire history.


The spending of money is irrelevant. There is a minimum cap, and it doesn't make a dent in our owners bottom line.

We have a GM and HC that don't understand modern day football. They do understand how to retain a great job.

Ahmad Bradshaw, Shane Vereen, Damien Williams, Jonas Gray, Mike Bell, Sony Michel, Ronnie Hillman, LeGarrette Blount all have been top RB's on Super Bowl winners in the last 15 years. And this year it will be Fournette, Jones, Williams or Helaire. Are any of them even close to as good as Cook? You realize it doesn't matter?
We're still chasing Larry Csonka. Well, we have the right coach for that job.

I want my coach, and GM, under the same pressure and scrutiny as the players in training camp. The coaches and general managers have a history of failing upward.
How nice is that?




Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2021 9:57:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

The Vikings are middling until they strike lightening, probably more than once. The alternative path is building toward a goal 2-3 years out (at a minimum); the idea that they can plug enough major holes (at least 2 IOL spots, third corner, second safety, DE, DT, third receiving option) while papering over others is not a plan, it's a (faint) hope. This is especially true with no second-rounder this year and serious cap issues.

Working against a strategy that can deliver a true contender in three years are the facts that the leadership appears to think they can rebuild on the fly while staying competitive---a clear path to remaining a middling franchise in the long run---and also appears to not actually mind too much being a middling franchise. It seems fine with the Wilfs to make the playoffs every other year without much hope of being competitive beyond the conference semi-finals (or more likely the wild-card round).

As long as the Wilfs are the owners, middling is probably as good as it gets.



I think Wilfs have been above average owners, willing to spend money. There's a balance between providing too much or too little rope when it comes to GM/HC. I don't judge them too harshly right now (yet).

Last year's draft is still looking pretty impressive (way to early to say def). If we have a similar draft, with returning players like Hunter/Pierce, and continued player development. HUGE IFs, but if that came together, I could see this team competing. We were 7-9 and almost beat Seattle on the road.

My biggest concern is talent recognition and team building. Losing my faith. With the way Ezra stepped in and provided an upgrade and other examples, are we utilizing the talent on the team? Or staying with underperformers too long? FO also completely misread with the Yannick, probably Rudy, Barr, etc.

I think there's no issue with their willingness to spend, which is welcome, but they need to spend it well, and that's where we seem to have trouble. I also agree that they're above average, but that seems to be their ceiling unless the team catches lightening and they're good or very good. None of those things get you to a Super Bowl, though, much less a Super Bowl win. I think the Wilfs are 7-10 win owners, occasionally a little better and occasionally a little bit worse. They botched---in my estimation---the extensions for Spielman and Zimmer, who in turn botched the Cousins extension....and I like Cousins more than most on here.

If they were players, the Wilfs would just miss out on the Pro Bowl in their best years, but gain selection as alternates for the really good players on really good teams who make it to the Super Bowl. That basically sums up the Vikings franchise as a whole for all but four years of their entire history.


The spending of money is irrelevant. There is a minimum cap, and it doesn't make a dent in our owners bottom line.

We have a GM and HC that don't understand modern day football. They do understand how to retain a great job.

Ahmad Bradshaw, Shane Vereen, Damien Williams, Jonas Gray, Mike Bell, Sony Michel, Ronnie Hillman, LeGarrette Blount all have been top RB's on Super Bowl winners in the last 15 years. And this year it will be Fournette, Jones, Williams or Helaire. Are any of them even close to as good as Cook? You realize it doesn't matter?
We're still chasing Larry Csonka. Well, we have the right coach for that job.

I want my coach, and GM, under the same pressure and scrutiny as the players in training camp. The coaches and general managers have a history of failing upward.
How nice is that?

All those RBs had HOF QBs.

Are you saying we need to get QBOTF this year?




ronhextall -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2021 10:03:47 AM)

Unless you have a QB that can stretch the field vertically from the pocket you are not winning anything in "today's NFL".

Look at the QB's that played last weekend, they all can do it.

Cousin's might be good enough but the margin for error from everybody else is a lot tighter than it is with a Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers, Wilson, and a few others. The problem is the lesser QB's are getting paid way more than they are worth so the roster can't be built to make up for the thinner margin of error.

Be interesting to see a team that is good on defense with lots of weapons on offense take somebody like Mariotta and offer him $10-$12 million a year instead of the $30+ million a year and try and win a Super Bowl like that. IMO you should have a QB truly worth $40 million a year or just pay a QB $10-$15 million a year.

Lamar Jackson isn't going to win anything until he can be effective from the pocket consistently. Sure, he can run around and be great entertainment but he better learn how to play from the pocket before old age or serious injury ends his playing days.




David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2021 11:24:05 AM)

Here's PFF's top 100 free agents. It includes what they think the contract will be to sign them. It looks like we can't afford the first 60 or so.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2021-free-agency-top-100-free-agents




David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2021 11:36:25 AM)

It's a damn shame we don't have him for this kind of money.


80. CB MACKENSIE ALEXANDER
Alexander’s career started slow, but he’s now posted three straight solid coverage grades, including a career-high 72.5 mark back in 2018. He signed a one-year deal with the Bengals and provided average play, grading at 60.4 overall to go with a 67.2 coverage grade. Alexander has played primarily in the slot throughout his career, and he’s in the group of available slot corners who are worth a look.

Contract Analysis: Alexander joined Trae Waynes last offseason in departing Minnesota’s secondary for Cincinnati, but unlike Waynes — who suffered an injury before the season — Alexander was able to get on the field in 2020. He continued to provide average to above-average play in the slot and will likely be facing a similar market.

Prediction: Bears sign Alexander for two years, $6 million ($3M APY): $3 million total guaranteed/fully guaranteed at signing.




Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2021 11:43:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: David F.

It's a damn shame we don't have him for this kind of money.


80. CB MACKENSIE ALEXANDER
Alexander’s career started slow, but he’s now posted three straight solid coverage grades, including a career-high 72.5 mark back in 2018. He signed a one-year deal with the Bengals and provided average play, grading at 60.4 overall to go with a 67.2 coverage grade. Alexander has played primarily in the slot throughout his career, and he’s in the group of available slot corners who are worth a look.

Contract Analysis: Alexander joined Trae Waynes last offseason in departing Minnesota’s secondary for Cincinnati, but unlike Waynes — who suffered an injury before the season — Alexander was able to get on the field in 2020. He continued to provide average to above-average play in the slot and will likely be facing a similar market.

Prediction: Bears sign Alexander for two years, $6 million ($3M APY): $3 million total guaranteed/fully guaranteed at signing.


I thought we didn't want "average play".

Couple guys I saw that might be in our price range. S Tartt and DT Rankins




David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2021 11:45:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

It's a damn shame we don't have him for this kind of money.


80. CB MACKENSIE ALEXANDER
Alexander’s career started slow, but he’s now posted three straight solid coverage grades, including a career-high 72.5 mark back in 2018. He signed a one-year deal with the Bengals and provided average play, grading at 60.4 overall to go with a 67.2 coverage grade. Alexander has played primarily in the slot throughout his career, and he’s in the group of available slot corners who are worth a look.

Contract Analysis: Alexander joined Trae Waynes last offseason in departing Minnesota’s secondary for Cincinnati, but unlike Waynes — who suffered an injury before the season — Alexander was able to get on the field in 2020. He continued to provide average to above-average play in the slot and will likely be facing a similar market.

Prediction: Bears sign Alexander for two years, $6 million ($3M APY): $3 million total guaranteed/fully guaranteed at signing.


I thought we didn't want "average play".

Couple guys I saw that might be in our price range. S Tartt and DT Rankins


For $3 million we'll take average all day long. That's value.

Ten players played CB for us in 2020. Only one had a rating higher than 'average' Mac Alexander. EDIT - Check that - two did. Dantzler and Hand. Hand didn't originally show up on my list because I had a minimum snap filter on.




Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2021 12:11:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

It's a damn shame we don't have him for this kind of money.


80. CB MACKENSIE ALEXANDER
Alexander’s career started slow, but he’s now posted three straight solid coverage grades, including a career-high 72.5 mark back in 2018. He signed a one-year deal with the Bengals and provided average play, grading at 60.4 overall to go with a 67.2 coverage grade. Alexander has played primarily in the slot throughout his career, and he’s in the group of available slot corners who are worth a look.

Contract Analysis: Alexander joined Trae Waynes last offseason in departing Minnesota’s secondary for Cincinnati, but unlike Waynes — who suffered an injury before the season — Alexander was able to get on the field in 2020. He continued to provide average to above-average play in the slot and will likely be facing a similar market.

Prediction: Bears sign Alexander for two years, $6 million ($3M APY): $3 million total guaranteed/fully guaranteed at signing.


I thought we didn't want "average play".

Couple guys I saw that might be in our price range. S Tartt and DT Rankins


For $3 million we'll take average all day long. That's value.

Ten players played CB for us in 2020. Only one had a rating higher than 'average' Mac Alexander. EDIT - Check that - two did. Dantzler and Hand. Hand didn't originally show up on my list because I had a minimum snap filter on.

I think we need another outside guy. Gladney probably going to be full time slot.




thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2021 12:57:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

It's a damn shame we don't have him for this kind of money.


80. CB MACKENSIE ALEXANDER
Alexander’s career started slow, but he’s now posted three straight solid coverage grades, including a career-high 72.5 mark back in 2018. He signed a one-year deal with the Bengals and provided average play, grading at 60.4 overall to go with a 67.2 coverage grade. Alexander has played primarily in the slot throughout his career, and he’s in the group of available slot corners who are worth a look.

Contract Analysis: Alexander joined Trae Waynes last offseason in departing Minnesota’s secondary for Cincinnati, but unlike Waynes — who suffered an injury before the season — Alexander was able to get on the field in 2020. He continued to provide average to above-average play in the slot and will likely be facing a similar market.

Prediction: Bears sign Alexander for two years, $6 million ($3M APY): $3 million total guaranteed/fully guaranteed at signing.


I thought we didn't want "average play".

Couple guys I saw that might be in our price range. S Tartt and DT Rankins


For $3 million we'll take average all day long. That's value.

Ten players played CB for us in 2020. Only one had a rating higher than 'average' Mac Alexander. EDIT - Check that - two did. Dantzler and Hand. Hand didn't originally show up on my list because I had a minimum snap filter on.

I think we need another outside guy. Gladney probably going to be full time slot.


I'm not good with that, unless we always have 3 CBs on the field. Or do you mean WHEN we go 3 cbs, Gladney moves to slot, other outside guy comes in. Maybe that guy is Harrison Hand?




Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2021 1:04:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

It's a damn shame we don't have him for this kind of money.


80. CB MACKENSIE ALEXANDER
Alexander’s career started slow, but he’s now posted three straight solid coverage grades, including a career-high 72.5 mark back in 2018. He signed a one-year deal with the Bengals and provided average play, grading at 60.4 overall to go with a 67.2 coverage grade. Alexander has played primarily in the slot throughout his career, and he’s in the group of available slot corners who are worth a look.

Contract Analysis: Alexander joined Trae Waynes last offseason in departing Minnesota’s secondary for Cincinnati, but unlike Waynes — who suffered an injury before the season — Alexander was able to get on the field in 2020. He continued to provide average to above-average play in the slot and will likely be facing a similar market.

Prediction: Bears sign Alexander for two years, $6 million ($3M APY): $3 million total guaranteed/fully guaranteed at signing.


I thought we didn't want "average play".

Couple guys I saw that might be in our price range. S Tartt and DT Rankins


For $3 million we'll take average all day long. That's value.

Ten players played CB for us in 2020. Only one had a rating higher than 'average' Mac Alexander. EDIT - Check that - two did. Dantzler and Hand. Hand didn't originally show up on my list because I had a minimum snap filter on.

I think we need another outside guy. Gladney probably going to be full time slot.


I'm not good with that, unless we always have 3 CBs on the field. Or do you mean WHEN we go 3 cbs, Gladney moves to slot, other outside guy comes in. Maybe that guy is Harrison Hand?

yes.

He should be a full time player.




Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2021 2:24:50 PM)

So the Vikings are promoting their Assistant Special Teams coach to Special Teams Coach


Ryan Ficken folks

He was the assistant coach on one of the worst units in football. Yes. Yes indeed that deserves promotion.




Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2021 2:31:07 PM)

And from Courtney Cronin

Can confirm Gene's report's on Keenan McCardell expected to become next Vikings WR coach. In this scenario, Andrew Janocko, who was coaching WRs last season, is expected to move to a different position - possibly one created if Klint Kubiak moves to the vacant OC post.

1. If Janocko was our WR coach...he did a wonderful job on Jefferson. why move him if you are not moving him up. He made the most out of the garbage he was given after Theilen and Jefferson.

2. Why is Klint Kubiak moving to the vacant OC position? why not Janocko? or McCardell for that matter.




Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2021 2:35:42 PM)

And....Kyle Rudolph won’t be restructuring his contract again


I've already said it more than once. We've seen Rudy's last game as a Viking.




David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2021 3:15:35 PM)

Rudolph says he hasn’t been used to his potential. What a prima Donna. It’s all about him. <sigh>. Divas - what are you going to do right?




Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2021 3:24:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Rudolph says he hasn’t been used to his potential. What a prima Donna. It’s all about him. <sigh>. Divas - what are you going to do right?



He's old, slow...


Sure handed no doubt, but I will not miss the dump pass to Rudolph on 3rd and 8 hoping he will get those 8+ yards.

YAC was not his forte




Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2021 3:55:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Rudolph says he hasn’t been used to his potential. What a prima Donna. It’s all about him. <sigh>. Divas - what are you going to do right?



He's old, slow...


Sure handed no doubt, but I will not miss the dump pass to Rudolph on 3rd and 8 hoping he will get those 8+ yards.

YAC was not his forte


Wonder how Kleinsasser is doing these days. All 'roided out with Hovan?




thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2021 5:12:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

And....Kyle Rudolph won’t be restructuring his contract again


I've already said it more than once. We've seen Rudy's last game as a Viking.


He will, in a sense.




Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2021 5:39:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Unless you have a QB that can stretch the field vertically from the pocket you are not winning anything in "today's NFL".

Look at the QB's that played last weekend, they all can do it.

Cousin's might be good enough but the margin for error from everybody else is a lot tighter than it is with a Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers, Wilson, and a few others. The problem is the lesser QB's are getting paid way more than they are worth so the roster can't be built to make up for the thinner margin of error.

Be interesting to see a team that is good on defense with lots of weapons on offense take somebody like Mariotta and offer him $10-$12 million a year instead of the $30+ million a year and try and win a Super Bowl like that. IMO you should have a QB truly worth $40 million a year or just pay a QB $10-$15 million a year.

Lamar Jackson isn't going to win anything until he can be effective from the pocket consistently. Sure, he can run around and be great entertainment but he better learn how to play from the pocket before old age or serious injury ends his playing days.


I believe that if you compare the marks for 20+ yard pass plays the Vikings will be right up there near the top. Actually I found the stats. The Vikings were tied with the Packers and only two behind the Chiefs for explosive pass plays. I'm not sure how that was defined. Wait. It's 25 yards or more. Close enough. I was surprised to see that the Bucs were on top. I thought Brady doesn't have the arm he used to have. He's got a big play receiver, though.

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?year=&type=Passing&range=NFL&rank=118




Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2021 5:46:14 PM)

This is an interesting stat: sacked while passing. All of the playoff teams except Seattle and Washington (who didn't deserve to be in the playoffs) have low sack totals. I believe Brady gets rid of the ball quickly, but he must have had a good line to protect him, too. I'm wondering, do offensive lineman try harder when they have a quarterback like Brady? I'm thinking that they do.

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?year=&type=Passing&range=NFL&rank=041




Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/28/2021 5:48:10 PM)

This stat shows the success rate of converting on third down by passing. The Vikings were in the middle of the pack and the playoff teams were mostly higher.

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?year=&type=Passing&range=NFL&rank=098




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