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Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/31/2021 8:43:19 PM)
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ORIGINAL: DavidAOlson
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Gonna guess 3 of the QB's were not...
Did they ever figure out how long (natural) antibodies give protection?
Fully vaccinated people are getting it. And, I guess, transmitting it. Probably highly unlikely but it is happening(Don Mattingly)
Antibodies are antibodies. I'll assume you mean antibodies generated in response to an infection vs. antibodies generated in response to vaccination.
The answer depends on the strain, and on the vaccine. Also, every statement should be qualified by "except in rare cases," but that'd be tedious and obscure the issues.
Based on previous research, for most strains, vaccinated people do not spread the virus (except...).
For the Delta strain, there is concern that vaccinated people *might* spread it because in the uncommon cases where they get infected, their initial viral load matches that of un-vaccinated people. But they also clear the virus much more rapidly. So to speculate: likely they do spread it, perhaps for less time, but nothing definitive yet.
For most strains, a COVID case is about as protective as a single shot. For the Delta strain, a single shot is about 30-40% protective. A vaccine shot after a COVID infection raises antibodies to levels similar to two shots without an infection. Against Delta, that's about 85-90% protective.
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If the natural antibodies give 6 month protection...
That is not how you should think about antibodies or the immune system. And for COVID vaccines and infections, the T-cells response is faster than the antibodies (and T-cells stick around). Also, the cells that generate the antibodies stick around; so even after antibody levels drop, they can be regenerated quickly. So you could get infected, but your immune system responds more quickly to keep it from becoming severe.
A reasonable way to think about the vaccines is that they take the severity down a notch or two: death -> Hospitalizations -> moderate cases -> mild cases -> asymptomatic cases -> no infection. That doesn't necessarily happen for the ~4% of people who are immuno-compromised, though. They are significant fraction of the "breakthrough cases," and essentially all of the severe breakthrough cases.
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...Kirk should have Mond sneeze on him a few times.
That is an insane suggestion. Around 5-15% of cases (unvaccinated) lead to long term effects that would impact Cousins for the season, and perhaps end his career.
In contrast, the adverse effects of the vaccines are almost all minor, and treatable in the very rare instances that they are not minor. The vaccine is cleared from your body in a week. The virus spreads throughout your whole body, injects much more mRNA into your cells, also damages your circulatory system, and persists much longer.
Key point: the Delta strain is MORE INFECTIOUS than last year's strains. So this year's protocols need to be much, much more stringent. Players would need to be significantly more isolated, and that's probably impossible for anyone who interacts with their kids (unless they're also isolated).
It's not a close call now that Delta is here: get vaccinated. If you get a shot tomorrow, there's a chance you'll be fully vaccinated before the Delta strain hits Minnesota hard.
It was a joke.
Is that true(5-15%) for healthy professional athletes in their prime(Yes, Brad, Cousins is an athlete)? I would guess less than half a percent at the most.
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