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ORIGINAL: marty

Cousins has a better arm than Dak, but if it's a close game, and he needs to make quick plays, and some mobility is required, it's more likely Dak would pull out the win than Cousins.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

I don't even like Brady but theorize he elevated that whole TB team, just like he did with NE. He was probably a positive influence in the two weeks before the SB, and had the ultimate "been there, done that" stamp. And when it counted, in the big game, he delivered.

The comparison between stat-boy Cousins and Brady is laughable.

He sent his family away for the two weeks prior to this year’s super bowl so he could properly prepare. Yes. Dude’s a stone cold killer.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Keep on comparing Brady and Cousins.....the problem still is who can we get here for reasonable money, draft picks, etc.

Brady Nope
Watson nearly a nope
Wilson nearly a nope


Now trade Cousins to SF grab a 1st or 2nd and draft Lance/Fields/or Alabama QB or just draft one of the three and play Cousins 2021. That is where I think we are at.

If you want to go back in time and not sign Kirk??? Umm what is you better back seat driver solution?????

What do you want that is reasonable moving forward?

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

I was listening to Mike Green on ESPN radio the other day. He was comparing Cousins with the Cowboys QB (Prescott) saying that there was no comparison. Cousins really is not respected around the league much, is he. I wonder how Cousins would do if he had the Cowboys offensive line.

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Hell of a lot classier than they treated Antoine Winfield Sr that’s for sure

What happened? I must have missed something.

35 years old. Played here 9 years(two nice contracts). Asked him to take pay cut. Cut him. Tried to resign him for less.

Then, more or less, he retired after that.

As I recall, we were willing to pay Winfield around $3M to stay. He decided to sign with Seattle for damn near league minimum. Then they cut him in preseason.

They cut him one hour before free agency started - after the legal tampering window. Winfield's camp maintains that there was no offer for a paycut and that they were expecting business as usual. They pulled him out of his workout at Winter Park to tell him. He was coming off one of his best seasons in his career.

Don't you think that maybe Winfield played hardball and lost. I find it hard to believe that we didn't offer him a chance at a reduced rate.

I wish there would have been some direct quotes from Winfield in your articles. Just an NFL source speaking for Winfield camp.

Not saying it is right. He had a good season and we went to playoffs. Probably thought it was a slap in the face to take a pay cut. And rightfully so.

This. A pay cut is always a slap in the face. But it's also business in the NFL.

No shit. Just like Rudy refused a pay cut. One got a timely release coordinated so he could send out his goodbye letter and have two weeks in a free agent market with almost no other free agents competing and the other got blind sided only after that entire period had expired. Thank you for hammering home my point.

Actually you should thank me for providing a buffer post so you could pretend to have not seen what Mark had to say, with plausible deniability.

Maybe they cut him after they saw him in camp? Maybe they weren't being dicks and saw he had nothing left?

FYI:

2013
Winfield was released by the Minnesota Vikings on March 12, 2013 in a move to clear $7.25 million in salary cap space.

Seattle Seahawks
Winfield signed with the Seattle Seahawks on April 17, 2013 to a one-year, $3 million contract. He was assigned number 21 due to starting fullback Michael Robinson having already been assigned 26 in 2010. He was released from the team during final cuts on August 31, 2013.

Seattle cutting him in final cuts kind of proves what the Vikings point.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

Kyle's cut save 5M with 4.35 in dead money? We should have waited until after June to spread it out.

What a terrible extension.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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Hell of a lot classier than they treated Antoine Winfield Sr that’s for sure

What happened? I must have missed something.

35 years old. Played here 9 years(two nice contracts). Asked him to take pay cut. Cut him. Tried to resign him for less.

Then, more or less, he retired after that.

As I recall, we were willing to pay Winfield around $3M to stay. He decided to sign with Seattle for damn near league minimum. Then they cut him in preseason.

They cut him one hour before free agency started - after the legal tampering window. Winfield's camp maintains that there was no offer for a paycut and that they were expecting business as usual. They pulled him out of his workout at Winter Park to tell him. He was coming off one of his best seasons in his career.

Don't you think that maybe Winfield played hardball and lost. I find it hard to believe that we didn't offer him a chance at a reduced rate.

I wish there would have been some direct quotes from Winfield in your articles. Just an NFL source speaking for Winfield camp.

Not saying it is right. He had a good season and we went to playoffs. Probably thought it was a slap in the face to take a pay cut. And rightfully so.

This. A pay cut is always a slap in the face. But it's also business in the NFL.

No shit. Just like Rudy refused a pay cut. One got a timely release coordinated so he could send out his goodbye letter and have two weeks in a free agent market with almost no other free agents competing and the other got blind sided only after that entire period had expired. Thank you for hammering home my point.

Actually you should thank me for providing a buffer post so you could pretend to have not seen what Mark had to say, with plausible deniability.

Maybe they cut him after they saw him in camp? Maybe they weren't being dicks and saw he had nothing left?

FYI:

2013
Winfield was released by the Minnesota Vikings on March 12, 2013 in a move to clear $7.25 million in salary cap space.

Seattle Seahawks
Winfield signed with the Seattle Seahawks on April 17, 2013 to a one-year, $3 million contract. He was assigned number 21 due to starting fullback Michael Robinson having already been assigned 26 in 2010. He was released from the team during final cuts on August 31, 2013.

Seattle cutting him in final cuts kind of proves what the Vikings point.

I don’t care if Winfield had a leg fall off and he was smearing his own feces on the walls of winter park. The point remains that the vikes released Rudy in a much classier way than Winfield and that point holds. I’m embarrassed for you all that are trying to spin this into something else. Have you no shame?

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Keep on comparing Brady and Cousins.....the problem still is who can we get here for reasonable money, draft picks, etc.

Brady Nope
Watson nearly a nope
Wilson nearly a nope


Now trade Cousins to SF grab a 1st or 2nd and draft Lance/Fields/or Alabama QB or just draft one of the three and play Cousins 2021. That is where I think we are at.

If you want to go back in time and not sign Kirk??? Umm what is you better back seat driver solution?????

What do you want that is reasonable moving forward?

Keep on dreaming about QBs that have zero chance of coming here.... the problem is how can we sign a mediocre FA guard.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Keep on comparing Brady and Cousins.....the problem still is who can we get here for reasonable money, draft picks, etc.

Brady Nope
Watson nearly a nope
Wilson nearly a nope


Now trade Cousins to SF grab a 1st or 2nd and draft Lance/Fields/or Alabama QB or just draft one of the three and play Cousins 2021. That is where I think we are at.

If you want to go back in time and not sign Kirk??? Umm what is you better back seat driver solution?????

What do you want that is reasonable moving forward?

Keep on dreaming about QBs that have zero chance of coming here.... the problem is how can we sign a mediocre FA guard.

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Keep on comparing Brady and Cousins.....the problem still is who can we get here for reasonable money, draft picks, etc.

Brady Nope
Watson nearly a nope
Wilson nearly a nope


Now trade Cousins to SF grab a 1st or 2nd and draft Lance/Fields/or Alabama QB or just draft one of the three and play Cousins 2021. That is where I think we are at.

If you want to go back in time and not sign Kirk??? Umm what is you better back seat driver solution?????

What do you want that is reasonable moving forward?

Keep on dreaming about QBs that have zero chance of coming here.... the problem is how can we sign a mediocre FA guard.

The perfect post. A mediocre OG in FA gets the offseason off to the best start possible.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Hell of a lot classier than they treated Antoine Winfield Sr that’s for sure

What happened? I must have missed something.

35 years old. Played here 9 years(two nice contracts). Asked him to take pay cut. Cut him. Tried to resign him for less.

Then, more or less, he retired after that.

As I recall, we were willing to pay Winfield around $3M to stay. He decided to sign with Seattle for damn near league minimum. Then they cut him in preseason.

They cut him one hour before free agency started - after the legal tampering window. Winfield's camp maintains that there was no offer for a paycut and that they were expecting business as usual. They pulled him out of his workout at Winter Park to tell him. He was coming off one of his best seasons in his career.

Don't you think that maybe Winfield played hardball and lost. I find it hard to believe that we didn't offer him a chance at a reduced rate.

I wish there would have been some direct quotes from Winfield in your articles. Just an NFL source speaking for Winfield camp.

Not saying it is right. He had a good season and we went to playoffs. Probably thought it was a slap in the face to take a pay cut. And rightfully so.

This. A pay cut is always a slap in the face. But it's also business in the NFL.

No shit. Just like Rudy refused a pay cut. One got a timely release coordinated so he could send out his goodbye letter and have two weeks in a free agent market with almost no other free agents competing and the other got blind sided only after that entire period had expired. Thank you for hammering home my point.

Actually you should thank me for providing a buffer post so you could pretend to have not seen what Mark had to say, with plausible deniability.

Maybe they cut him after they saw him in camp? Maybe they weren't being dicks and saw he had nothing left?

FYI:

2013
Winfield was released by the Minnesota Vikings on March 12, 2013 in a move to clear $7.25 million in salary cap space.

Seattle Seahawks
Winfield signed with the Seattle Seahawks on April 17, 2013 to a one-year, $3 million contract. He was assigned number 21 due to starting fullback Michael Robinson having already been assigned 26 in 2010. He was released from the team during final cuts on August 31, 2013.

Seattle cutting him in final cuts kind of proves what the Vikings point.

I don’t care if Winfield had a leg fall off and he was smearing his own feces on the walls of winter park. The point remains that the vikes released Rudy in a much classier way than Winfield and that point holds. I’m embarrassed for you all that are trying to spin this into something else. Have you no shame?

Spin it? They paid him big money for almost 10 years and cut him in March (Not May, June, or July but March).....then the next team cut him too. I think you are the one spinning it.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Hell of a lot classier than they treated Antoine Winfield Sr that’s for sure

What happened? I must have missed something.

35 years old. Played here 9 years(two nice contracts). Asked him to take pay cut. Cut him. Tried to resign him for less.

Then, more or less, he retired after that.

As I recall, we were willing to pay Winfield around $3M to stay. He decided to sign with Seattle for damn near league minimum. Then they cut him in preseason.

They cut him one hour before free agency started - after the legal tampering window. Winfield's camp maintains that there was no offer for a paycut and that they were expecting business as usual. They pulled him out of his workout at Winter Park to tell him. He was coming off one of his best seasons in his career.

Don't you think that maybe Winfield played hardball and lost. I find it hard to believe that we didn't offer him a chance at a reduced rate.

I wish there would have been some direct quotes from Winfield in your articles. Just an NFL source speaking for Winfield camp.

Not saying it is right. He had a good season and we went to playoffs. Probably thought it was a slap in the face to take a pay cut. And rightfully so.

This. A pay cut is always a slap in the face. But it's also business in the NFL.

No shit. Just like Rudy refused a pay cut. One got a timely release coordinated so he could send out his goodbye letter and have two weeks in a free agent market with almost no other free agents competing and the other got blind sided only after that entire period had expired. Thank you for hammering home my point.

Actually you should thank me for providing a buffer post so you could pretend to have not seen what Mark had to say, with plausible deniability.

Maybe they cut him after they saw him in camp? Maybe they weren't being dicks and saw he had nothing left?

FYI:

2013
Winfield was released by the Minnesota Vikings on March 12, 2013 in a move to clear $7.25 million in salary cap space.

Seattle Seahawks
Winfield signed with the Seattle Seahawks on April 17, 2013 to a one-year, $3 million contract. He was assigned number 21 due to starting fullback Michael Robinson having already been assigned 26 in 2010. He was released from the team during final cuts on August 31, 2013.

Seattle cutting him in final cuts kind of proves what the Vikings point.

I don’t care if Winfield had a leg fall off and he was smearing his own feces on the walls of winter park. The point remains that the vikes released Rudy in a much classier way than Winfield and that point holds. I’m embarrassed for you all that are trying to spin this into something else. Have you no shame?

Spin it? They paid him big money for almost 10 years and cut him in March (Not May, June, or July but March).....then the next team cut him too. I think you are the one spinning it.

Bold spin.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Keep on comparing Brady and Cousins.....the problem still is who can we get here for reasonable money, draft picks, etc.

Brady Nope
Watson nearly a nope
Wilson nearly a nope


Now trade Cousins to SF grab a 1st or 2nd and draft Lance/Fields/or Alabama QB or just draft one of the three and play Cousins 2021. That is where I think we are at.

If you want to go back in time and not sign Kirk??? Umm what is you better back seat driver solution?????

What do you want that is reasonable moving forward?

Keep on dreaming about QBs that have zero chance of coming here.... the problem is how can we sign a mediocre FA guard.

The perfect post. A mediocre OG in FA gets the offseason off to the best start possible.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Keep on comparing Brady and Cousins.....the problem still is who can we get here for reasonable money, draft picks, etc.

Brady Nope
Watson nearly a nope
Wilson nearly a nope


Now trade Cousins to SF grab a 1st or 2nd and draft Lance/Fields/or Alabama QB or just draft one of the three and play Cousins 2021. That is where I think we are at.

If you want to go back in time and not sign Kirk??? Umm what is you better back seat driver solution?????

What do you want that is reasonable moving forward?

Keep on dreaming about QBs that have zero chance of coming here.... the problem is how can we sign a mediocre FA guard.

The perfect post. A mediocre OG in FA gets the offseason off to the best start possible.

Weatherly is back...that isn't such a bad start.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Keep on comparing Brady and Cousins.....the problem still is who can we get here for reasonable money, draft picks, etc.

Brady Nope
Watson nearly a nope
Wilson nearly a nope


Now trade Cousins to SF grab a 1st or 2nd and draft Lance/Fields/or Alabama QB or just draft one of the three and play Cousins 2021. That is where I think we are at.

If you want to go back in time and not sign Kirk??? Umm what is you better back seat driver solution?????

What do you want that is reasonable moving forward?

Keep on dreaming about QBs that have zero chance of coming here.... the problem is how can we sign a mediocre FA guard.

The perfect post. A mediocre OG in FA gets the offseason off to the best start possible.

Weatherly is back...that isn't such a bad start.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

I think it takes the pressure off from needing to select an edge rusher with the first pick.

If the regime was going to go DE with the first pick but signing Weatherly has reduced that need, then all involved should immediately be fired.

He is a journeyman with a known yet limited upside. He could beat out a second year player, which means we'll never know how that player would have fared here.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Keep on comparing Brady and Cousins.....the problem still is who can we get here for reasonable money, draft picks, etc.

Brady Nope
Watson nearly a nope
Wilson nearly a nope


Now trade Cousins to SF grab a 1st or 2nd and draft Lance/Fields/or Alabama QB or just draft one of the three and play Cousins 2021. That is where I think we are at.

If you want to go back in time and not sign Kirk??? Umm what is you better back seat driver solution?????

What do you want that is reasonable moving forward?

Keep on dreaming about QBs that have zero chance of coming here.... the problem is how can we sign a mediocre FA guard.

The perfect post. A mediocre OG in FA gets the offseason off to the best start possible.

Weatherly is back...that isn't such a bad start.

Yes, that's the kind of signing we need to do all over the team given the amount of holes we have: CB, OG, DT, S, WR3. But DE is not really a hole, given that Odenigbo should be at least adequate if he's not the best player on the line. But I agree that this is a good signing.