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Lynn G. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2022 1:30:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bstinger quote: ORIGINAL: Lynn G. I'll never be okay with a 2-15 season. Many of us have been waiting more than 50 years for a Superbowl victory. We've had more than our share of crappy seasons and/or crappy endings to good seasons. Why should we have to settle for more of that? It's called short term pain for long term gain. Are you content with finishing 7-10 through 10-7 every year and drafting 12-20? Perpetually stuck in mediocrity will never get us to the SB. You have the best chance of getting a franchise QB if you are drafting in the top 3-5 picks. We're never bad enough to get that. I know exactly what it's called, because we've been doing it for 60 years. Honestly, I hardly ever watch anymore, so I'm not the best one to forecast what the team should do. Between yearly heartbreaks, bad reffing, and a game that I am finally realizing is absurdly brutal to the player's bodies - I find it almost unwatchable these days. Which is sad because it used to be one of my big joys. I couldn't wait for football season to start, had season tickets for five years, and collected jerseys and all kinds of typical fan behavior. But now, if I even peek in to see what the score is, I find my blood pressure rising and anxiety off the charts. Not good for me.

bohumm -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2022 1:32:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm I doubt anyone is trading for Cook with his contract, his history of injury, his potential legal issues, and the fact that the delta between what you can get out of Cook at his best and what you can get from a back the next level or two down doesn't merit taking on the issues I listed. Cook has a 8.3M hit and 10.4M hit the next 2 years for the team that trades for him. I could see a Miami or Jets team looking for playmakers take that on. Texans, Niners, Falcons, Dolphins, Jets, Ravens. Even the Rams always feel the need to overspend on a high-profile guy, but I'm not sure they have any cap room. If the Bills have cap room, they may feel they are a running back away from a title. He averages 3 YPC and 4.9 YPReception in the postseason. That is not getting anyone to a title.

Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2022 1:59:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: bohumm I doubt anyone is trading for Cook with his contract, his history of injury, his potential legal issues, and the fact that the delta between what you can get out of Cook at his best and what you can get from a back the next level or two down doesn't merit taking on the issues I listed. Cook has a 8.3M hit and 10.4M hit the next 2 years for the team that trades for him. I could see a Miami or Jets team looking for playmakers take that on. Possibly, but I doubt you get better than a 2nd or 3rd for him. Injuries, uncertain legal situation, and the lack of a meaningful delta over a guy you could pay half of that or even less would seem to dampen the market. Why trade for a guy who will miss a few games, be mediocre or worse as the season wears on, and who may be suspended at any point, especially for $8.3M? Miss a few games? Mediocre? Sounds like a bargain given we are going to spend $45-million on a quarterback that fits that description next season.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2022 2:55:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. Kellen Mond is 'liking' social media posts that point out that Zimmer's comments were cold and mean-spirited about "not particularly" wanting to see Mond play on Sunday because he "sees him every day in practice". zimmer is an insensitive pig...i like kellen mond and don't want zimmer to ruin him before we get to try him out...people in Minnesota should support him and show him that he's appreciated there....

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2022 3:04:13 PM)
That's who Zimmer is. He thinks he's Bill Parcels, but he hasn't done a damn thing to have the ego that he does.

ronhextall -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2022 3:31:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine That's who Zimmer is. He thinks he's Bill Parcels, but he hasn't done a damn thing to have the ego that he does. Parcels wouldn't win in this era without drastic changes to his philosophy. Asking him advice is dumb as hell. Might as well ask Woody Hayes for his opinion.

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2022 3:35:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Dave Odle quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: Solid post. In particular, I like the take on Dalvin Cook. I've been saying for 12 years that running back is the easiest position on the field to replace. It happens all over the league. Guy gets hurt, replacement doesn't miss a beat. Hell, Rashad Penny has been one of the best backs in the league over the past four weeks. OMG take a look at the top 3 rushers by week: Week 17 so far - Rashaad Penny, D'Onta Foreman, Elijah Mitchell Week 16 - Rex Burkhead, Rashaad Penny, Sony Michel Week 15 - Jonathan Taylor, Miles Sanders, Craig Reynolds Week 14 - Dalvin Cook, Rashaad Penny, Alvin Kamara Week 13 - Jonathan Taylor, Sony Michel, Miles Sanders Week 12 - Joe Mixon, Elijah Mitchell, Dontrell Hilliard The Dalvin Cook contract is every bit as crazy as the Cousins or Smith contracts. He's due $43.5-million in base salary over the next four years with a $55.2 cap hit. At this point, we aren't going to have any money for Justin Jefferson. It's a matter of value. Right now, I think you could probably lure away a solid RB like D' Ernest Johnson from the Browns for a song. He's a RFA next year and their running game didn't miss a beat as he filled in for Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt when they were injured. Along w/ Mattison, our running game would be fine and not drop off too much. Plus, the guy has never had a salary over 850k, which means you wouldn't be breaking the bank on him. Minshew is intriguing as competition for QB1. I won't bag on Mond when we've never actually seen the guy play in regular season. Cook should be moved. He and Cousins are only two of several overpriced contracts. I'm more than happy to unload any of the high profile selfish pricks on the roster who missed games because they refused to get vaccinated. They need to purge now. The offense needs to be rebuilt around Jefferson as quickly as possible. Trading players based on vaccination is a good way to get the #1 pick in 2023. Any great vaccinated QBs coming out that year? Successful QB's are leaders. Look at Rothlisberger and the Steelers last night. It was a meaningless game but the Steelers played with some serious intensity because they wanted Rothlisberger to win his final game as a Steeler. No one on the Vikings is running through a brick wall for Cousins. Why? Maybe it's because the next time he puts the team in front of himself it will be the first. Whether it's shirking accountability when he plays poorly, not working with the team to restructure his contract, or not getting vaccinated to increase his odds of playing every week. The guy is not a leader and he'll never win a Superbowl. I think we should trade Cousins just like you. My beef is with vaccine rules that are more about PR and keeping sponsors than keeping people safe. Appoximately 1 million fans cram into stadiums every week but let's try to make an example of a perfectly healthy player with a miniscule chance of having serious problems from Covid. Makes no sense considering every single player can contract and spread the virus. I've mentioned it at least three times as I've been to 3 games - less than 1% of the people are wearings masks at these games as they yell, scream, spit and high five their closest neighbors ... imo, if these people bitch about others or act like a martyr, they're nothing but hypocrites

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2022 3:37:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: David F. Kellen Mond is 'liking' social media posts that point out that Zimmer's comments were cold and mean-spirited about "not particularly" wanting to see Mond play on Sunday because he "sees him every day in practice". I usually hate to see player comments posted outside the lockerroom. Since Zimmer isn't big enough to admit or see his own idiocy and Spielman doesn't have the balls to reel him in ... mark me down for liking Mond's liking. Same here. As a coach you directly control whether a player gets a chance or not. To not allow him in the game and then also criticize the player publicly is a chicken shit move. More fake tough guy crap if you ask me. Zimmer's a fraud. I'm tired of it myself. He's no Tom Brands.

Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2022 4:38:18 PM)
NM

joejitsu -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2022 5:29:15 PM)
In the last game of the season, I hope Zim is able to place his ego aside and play some of the guys who have been drafted but haven't had the opportunity to see the field for an extended period. But, I doubt that will happen. That was the main reason why I wanted to see him gone on Monday morning.

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2022 6:00:47 PM)
So many tweets on Twitter saying we need to trade Hunter? Why, because he was injured the last two years? One year has nothing to do with the next. I thought we were all jumping for joy bc we him locked up on a reasonable deal?

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2022 6:32:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J So many tweets on Twitter saying we need to trade Hunter? Why, because he was injured the last two years? One year has nothing to do with the next. I thought we were all jumping for joy bc we him locked up on a reasonable deal? The problem is the Vikings need to decide what to do with hunter this offseason, or he will count 26M against the cap next year and we just can't afford that. Hunter will now earn $18 million on the fifth day of the 2022 league year. Functionally, this doesn’t actually change how much money Hunter is due on his current contract, as Tom Pelissero reported that the reworked contract involves no new money. Instead, presumably, Hunter’s 2022 salary is reduced from $12.125 million to the veteran minimum, while Hunter’s 2023 salary is reduced by another $7 million, and Hunter will now earn all that money instantly in March of 2022 (if the Vikings haven’t cut him yet). So on the surface, it’s the same amount of money. Hunter just earns some of it a little sooner. But practically, that roster bonus becomes a significant deadline since the Vikings are going to want to make a decision on Hunter’s future before that bonus gets paid, and they can no longer use it as leverage in an extension negotiation or save that money by trading (or even cutting) Hunter. So while he is not getting any new money on paper, in reality, Hunter is in line to earn a major new contract before mid-March — with the Vikings or otherwise. The "What’s Next For Hunter" section of the article goes into the options we have: https://zonecoverage.com/2021/minnesota-vikings-news/breaking-down-danielle-hunters-contract/

Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2022 6:53:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J So many tweets on Twitter saying we need to trade Hunter? Why, because he was injured the last two years? One year has nothing to do with the next. I thought we were all jumping for joy bc we him locked up on a reasonable deal? The problem is the Vikings need to decide what to do with hunter this offseason, or he will count 26M against the cap next year and we just can't afford that. Hunter will now earn $18 million on the fifth day of the 2022 league year. Functionally, this doesn’t actually change how much money Hunter is due on his current contract, as Tom Pelissero reported that the reworked contract involves no new money. Instead, presumably, Hunter’s 2022 salary is reduced from $12.125 million to the veteran minimum, while Hunter’s 2023 salary is reduced by another $7 million, and Hunter will now earn all that money instantly in March of 2022 (if the Vikings haven’t cut him yet). So on the surface, it’s the same amount of money. Hunter just earns some of it a little sooner. But practically, that roster bonus becomes a significant deadline since the Vikings are going to want to make a decision on Hunter’s future before that bonus gets paid, and they can no longer use it as leverage in an extension negotiation or save that money by trading (or even cutting) Hunter. So while he is not getting any new money on paper, in reality, Hunter is in line to earn a major new contract before mid-March — with the Vikings or otherwise. The "What’s Next For Hunter" section of the article goes into the options we have: https://zonecoverage.com/2021/minnesota-vikings-news/breaking-down-danielle-hunters-contract/ Boy, this guy Spielman spends money like a drunken sailor.

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2022 6:53:56 PM)
Ah, thanks.

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2022 6:54:45 PM)
This is depressing ... Dustin Baker @DustBaker · 4h The 2021 Vikings are the first team in NFL history to have a QB with 30+ Passing TDs, a RB with 1,000+ Rushing Yards, a WR with 1,500+ Receiving Yards -- and a losing record to show for it.

ronhextall -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2022 6:57:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J This is depressing ... Dustin Baker @DustBaker · 4h The 2021 Vikings are the first team in NFL history to have a QB with 30+ Passing TDs, a RB with 1,000+ Rushing Yards, a WR with 1,500+ Receiving Yards -- and a losing record to show for it. Thanks Zim.

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2022 7:08:06 PM)
This article has a plan all set for a new GM, HC and OC: https://zonecoverage.com/2022/minnesota-vikings-news/what-does-building-an-organization-around-justin-jefferson-look-like/

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2022 7:14:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marty This article has a plan all set for a new GM, HC and OC: https://zonecoverage.com/2022/minnesota-vikings-news/what-does-building-an-organization-around-justin-jefferson-look-like/ I don't hate it.

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2022 7:51:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: marty This article has a plan all set for a new GM, HC and OC: https://zonecoverage.com/2022/minnesota-vikings-news/what-does-building-an-organization-around-justin-jefferson-look-like/ I don't hate it. I like it. Patterson or Fangio for DC

beo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2022 9:00:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: marty This article has a plan all set for a new GM, HC and OC: https://zonecoverage.com/2022/minnesota-vikings-news/what-does-building-an-organization-around-justin-jefferson-look-like/ I don't hate it. I like it. Patterson or Fangio for DC Somebody get this to the Wilfs... solid plan. I'd be thrilled.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2022 9:10:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J This is depressing ... Dustin Baker @DustBaker · 4h The 2021 Vikings are the first team in NFL history to have a QB with 30+ Passing TDs, a RB with 1,000+ Rushing Yards, a WR with 1,500+ Receiving Yards -- and a losing record to show for it. Thanks Zim. I read today that Kirk cousins needs 40 yards passing and 0 INTs this weekend to become the second player in history to have 4000+ yards 30+ TDs and less than 10 INTs to finish with a losing record. The first player to do that was also Kirk cousins.

beo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2022 9:17:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J This is depressing ... Dustin Baker @DustBaker · 4h The 2021 Vikings are the first team in NFL history to have a QB with 30+ Passing TDs, a RB with 1,000+ Rushing Yards, a WR with 1,500+ Receiving Yards -- and a losing record to show for it. Thanks Zim. I read today that Kirk cousins needs 40 yards passing and 0 INTs this weekend to become the second player in history to have 4000+ yards 30+ TDs and less than 10 INTs to finish with a losing record. The first player to do that was also Kirk cousins. Kirk may not be the problem... but he doesn't seem to be the answer either.

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2022 9:26:31 PM)
So it's Jeff Ireland from the Saints for GM, Chargers OC Joe Lombardi for HC, and Joe Brady, Jefferson's passing/wr coach from LSU as OC.

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2022 9:30:16 PM)
What is the Ravens Curse? Well, the Vikings and Ravens have played six times in franchise history. In the three games that Minnesota was victorious, the Vikings later galloped to the NFC Championship. In the three games that Minnesota lost, the head coach was fired in the same season. 1998 – Vikings Win (NFCC appearance) 2002 – Vikings Lose (Dennis Green fired) 2005 – Vikings Lose (Mike Tice fired) 2009 – Vikings Win (NFCC appearance) 2013 – Vikings Lose (Leslie Frazier fired) 2017 – Vikings Win (NFCC appearance) 2020 – Vikings Lose (fill in the blank)

Russell Timmons -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/4/2022 9:41:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: marty This article has a plan all set for a new GM, HC and OC: https://zonecoverage.com/2022/minnesota-vikings-news/what-does-building-an-organization-around-justin-jefferson-look-like/ I don't hate it. Nor do I.

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