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kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2021 11:51:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J Ben Goessling @GoesslingStrib 1h Before today, Kirk Cousins had attempted 30 passes with the #Vikings tied or trailing by eight points or less in the final two minutes. No other NFL QB had attempted more than 15. He was 4/5 for 30 yards on the Vikings’ 2-min drive today. In OT, he was 5/5 for 50 yards and a TD. - can we get Brad to comment on this one? Cousins has run very efficient and effective two minute drills in every game this year. On a couple the kicker **ed it all up. Brad, who couldn't shut the ** up about how bad KC was in the 2 minute drill, has been remarkably silent about it since the season started. Recapping Cousins OT and the the last two and even one minute or less mark performances. Game winning drive against the undefeated AZ Cards, blown by short missed FG. Game winning drive in regulation against Carolina blown by missed medium FG, What would have almost certainly been a game winning drive against Cinci stopped by phantom fumble call, game tying drive against Cinci in regulation, game winning drive against the Lions with 37 seconds remaining. Game winning drive in OT against the Panthers. This is unprecedented clutch performance in late game situations over a 6 game span in NFL history. Did I forget one? Well the Browns game sure was a stinker. After the first drive the entire team looked lost. Not a good game. However, 5 out of 6 very good games.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2021 12:38:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J Ben Goessling @GoesslingStrib 1h Before today, Kirk Cousins had attempted 30 passes with the #Vikings tied or trailing by eight points or less in the final two minutes. No other NFL QB had attempted more than 15. He was 4/5 for 30 yards on the Vikings’ 2-min drive today. In OT, he was 5/5 for 50 yards and a TD. - can we get Brad to comment on this one? Cousins has run very efficient and effective two minute drills in every game this year. On a couple the kicker **ed it all up. Brad, who couldn't shut the ** up about how bad KC was in the 2 minute drill, has been remarkably silent about it since the season started. I'll play devil's advocate. Overtime isn't the last two minutes of a half and how many points did we score while going four of five for 30 yards yesterday? Disclaimer - Kirk has been mostly excellent this season. Second disclaimer - in the past he was very poor in the final two minutes of halves. That is spot on, not just playing devil's ... the wild Cousins hyperbole in here is getting out of hand (see KGs post above about 'unprecedented in history') Really? Cousins the all-time best field goal position getter ... the best ever 3-3 qb ... the best ever qb to not score 4th qtr TDs in 4 out of 6 games to start a season ... huzzah! The offense is scoring and Cousins has been outstanding. Whatever synapse popped off in his brain over the summer - Cousins has carried us in every game. He still waters us down IMO from building on leads and from going for the throat. He's the kid that methodically opens x-mas presents, folds up the wrapping paper for next year, then reads the owners manual before filling his squirt gun and asking his siblings about the 'rules of engagement'. He'll never just be a killer with a squirt gun like the top 5 or 6 QBs in this league that are in a race to unload their bullets (water) and hurt (wet) you as quickly and thoroughly as possible. Everybody wants to point to Zimmer and the defense for throttling down our games to a make or break final drive ... they should and they do get the lion's share of blame ... but the offense gets some blame. Zimmer doesn't call the plays and doesn't choose which option to throw to ... Cousins and the offense deserve credit for being efficient and good enough to keep us in every game ... they also get blame for being too rigid in their approach, putting too much emphasis on sustaining drives and settling for 3 ... and not enough emphasis on attacking the defense or for going for 7. We are 3-3; 3-3 is what we are.

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2021 1:00:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J Ben Goessling @GoesslingStrib 1h Before today, Kirk Cousins had attempted 30 passes with the #Vikings tied or trailing by eight points or less in the final two minutes. No other NFL QB had attempted more than 15. He was 4/5 for 30 yards on the Vikings’ 2-min drive today. In OT, he was 5/5 for 50 yards and a TD. - can we get Brad to comment on this one? Cousins has run very efficient and effective two minute drills in every game this year. On a couple the kicker **ed it all up. Brad, who couldn't shut the ** up about how bad KC was in the 2 minute drill, has been remarkably silent about it since the season started. I'll play devil's advocate. Overtime isn't the last two minutes of a half and how many points did we score while going four of five for 30 yards yesterday? Disclaimer - Kirk has been mostly excellent this season. Second disclaimer - in the past he was very poor in the final two minutes of halves. That is spot on, not just playing devil's ... the wild Cousins hyperbole in here is getting out of hand (see KGs post above about 'unprecedented in history') Really? Cousins the all-time best field goal position getter ... the best ever 3-3 qb ... the best ever qb to not score 4th qtr TDs in 4 out of 6 games to start a season ... huzzah! The offense is scoring and Cousins has been outstanding. Whatever synapse popped off in his brain over the summer - Cousins has carried us in every game. He still waters us down IMO from building on leads and from going for the throat. He's the kid that methodically opens x-mas presents, folds up the wrapping paper for next year, then reads the owners manual before filling his squirt gun and asking his siblings about the 'rules of engagement'. He'll never just be a killer with a squirt gun like the top 5 or 6 QBs in this league that are in a race to unload their bullets (water) and hurt (wet) you as quickly and thoroughly as possible. Everybody wants to point to Zimmer and the defense for throttling down our games to a make or break final drive ... they should and they do get the lion's share of blame ... but the offense gets some blame. Zimmer doesn't call the plays and doesn't choose which option to throw to ... Cousins and the offense deserve credit for being efficient and good enough to keep us in every game ... they also get blame for being too rigid in their approach, putting too much emphasis on sustaining drives and settling for 3 ... and not enough emphasis on attacking the defense or for going for 7. We are 3-3; 3-3 is what we are. Your Christmas presents and squirt gun analogy is awesome! Why can I picture Cousins being just like that?[&:][&:]

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2021 1:15:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J Ben Goessling @GoesslingStrib 1h Before today, Kirk Cousins had attempted 30 passes with the #Vikings tied or trailing by eight points or less in the final two minutes. No other NFL QB had attempted more than 15. He was 4/5 for 30 yards on the Vikings’ 2-min drive today. In OT, he was 5/5 for 50 yards and a TD. - can we get Brad to comment on this one? Cousins has run very efficient and effective two minute drills in every game this year. On a couple the kicker **ed it all up. Brad, who couldn't shut the up about how bad KC was in the 2 minute drill, has been remarkably silent about it since the season started. I'll play devil's advocate. Overtime isn't the last two minutes of a half and how many points did we score while going four of five for 30 yards yesterday? Disclaimer - Kirk has been mostly excellent this season. Second disclaimer - in the past he was very poor in the final two minutes of halves. That is spot on, not just playing devil's ... the wild Cousins hyperbole in here is getting out of hand (see KGs post above about 'unprecedented in history') Really? Cousins the all-time best field goal position getter ... the best ever 3-3 qb ... the best ever qb to not score 4th qtr TDs in 4 out of 6 games to start a season ... huzzah! The offense is scoring and Cousins has been outstanding. Whatever synapse popped off in his brain over the summer - Cousins has carried us in every game. He still waters us down IMO from building on leads and from going for the throat.** He's the kid that methodically opens x-mas presents, folds up the wrapping paper for next year, then reads the owners manual before filling his squirt gun and asking his siblings about the 'rules of engagement'. He'll never just be a killer with a squirt gun like the top 5 or 6 QBs in this league that are in a race to unload their bullets (water) and hurt (wet) you as quickly and thoroughly as possible. Everybody wants to point to Zimmer and the defense for throttling down our games to a make or break final drive ... they should and they do get the lion's share of blame ... but the offense gets some blame. Zimmer doesn't call the plays and doesn't choose which option to throw to ... Cousins and the offense deserve credit for being efficient and good enough to keep us in every game ... they also get blame for being too rigid in their approach, putting too much emphasis on sustaining drives and settling for 3 ... and not enough emphasis on attacking the defense or for going for 7. We are 3-3; 3-3 is what we are. A lot of this is pretty spot on, but I'll disagree with the bolded. Zimmer is the one pulling back on the throttle, not Cousins. Zim has the cookbook page, about getting the lead and running the ball to kill the clock, laminated. The Vikings are never more predictable and conservative than when they have a lead in the second half. Run the ball. Short passes. Play it safe. Kill the clock. It's all part of his playing to not lose instead of playing to win mentality. Zimmer may not call the plays directly, but Kubiak has no doubt about what plays he is supposed to call in those situations.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2021 1:27:50 PM)
Not my quote but liked it. -----Zim is that dumb chick in the scary movie who hits the bad guy over the head with the vase and then walks away without finishing the job.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2021 1:54:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J Ben Goessling @GoesslingStrib 1h Before today, Kirk Cousins had attempted 30 passes with the #Vikings tied or trailing by eight points or less in the final two minutes. No other NFL QB had attempted more than 15. He was 4/5 for 30 yards on the Vikings’ 2-min drive today. In OT, he was 5/5 for 50 yards and a TD. - can we get Brad to comment on this one? Cousins has run very efficient and effective two minute drills in every game this year. On a couple the kicker **ed it all up. Brad, who couldn't shut the up about how bad KC was in the 2 minute drill, has been remarkably silent about it since the season started. I'll play devil's advocate. Overtime isn't the last two minutes of a half and how many points did we score while going four of five for 30 yards yesterday? Disclaimer - Kirk has been mostly excellent this season. Second disclaimer - in the past he was very poor in the final two minutes of halves. That is spot on, not just playing devil's ... the wild Cousins hyperbole in here is getting out of hand (see KGs post above about 'unprecedented in history') Really? Cousins the all-time best field goal position getter ... the best ever 3-3 qb ... the best ever qb to not score 4th qtr TDs in 4 out of 6 games to start a season ... huzzah! The offense is scoring and Cousins has been outstanding. Whatever synapse popped off in his brain over the summer - Cousins has carried us in every game. He still waters us down IMO from building on leads and from going for the throat.** He's the kid that methodically opens x-mas presents, folds up the wrapping paper for next year, then reads the owners manual before filling his squirt gun and asking his siblings about the 'rules of engagement'. He'll never just be a killer with a squirt gun like the top 5 or 6 QBs in this league that are in a race to unload their bullets (water) and hurt (wet) you as quickly and thoroughly as possible. Everybody wants to point to Zimmer and the defense for throttling down our games to a make or break final drive ... they should and they do get the lion's share of blame ... but the offense gets some blame. Zimmer doesn't call the plays and doesn't choose which option to throw to ... Cousins and the offense deserve credit for being efficient and good enough to keep us in every game ... they also get blame for being too rigid in their approach, putting too much emphasis on sustaining drives and settling for 3 ... and not enough emphasis on attacking the defense or for going for 7. We are 3-3; 3-3 is what we are. A lot of this is pretty spot on, but I'll disagree with the bolded. Zimmer is the one pulling back on the throttle, not Cousins. Zim has the cookbook page, about getting the lead and running the ball to kill the clock, laminated. The Vikings are never more predictable and conservative than when they have a lead in the second half. Run the ball. Short passes. Play it safe. Kill the clock. It's all part of his playing to not lose instead of playing to win mentality. Zimmer may not call the plays directly, but Kubiak has no doubt about what plays he is supposed to call in those situations. remember the bone-headed pass that became a lateral, yesterday? - is that what knocked us out of field goal range? i can't remember...cousins had almost zero pressure from Carolina...the stars aligned for kirk and he threw some nice passes...what did he do for us against Cleveland?....

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2021 2:09:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J Ben Goessling @GoesslingStrib 1h Before today, Kirk Cousins had attempted 30 passes with the #Vikings tied or trailing by eight points or less in the final two minutes. No other NFL QB had attempted more than 15. He was 4/5 for 30 yards on the Vikings’ 2-min drive today. In OT, he was 5/5 for 50 yards and a TD. - can we get Brad to comment on this one? Cousins has run very efficient and effective two minute drills in every game this year. On a couple the kicker **ed it all up. Brad, who couldn't shut the up about how bad KC was in the 2 minute drill, has been remarkably silent about it since the season started. I'll play devil's advocate. Overtime isn't the last two minutes of a half and how many points did we score while going four of five for 30 yards yesterday? Disclaimer - Kirk has been mostly excellent this season. Second disclaimer - in the past he was very poor in the final two minutes of halves. That is spot on, not just playing devil's ... the wild Cousins hyperbole in here is getting out of hand (see KGs post above about 'unprecedented in history') Really? Cousins the all-time best field goal position getter ... the best ever 3-3 qb ... the best ever qb to not score 4th qtr TDs in 4 out of 6 games to start a season ... huzzah! The offense is scoring and Cousins has been outstanding. Whatever synapse popped off in his brain over the summer - Cousins has carried us in every game. He still waters us down IMO from building on leads and from going for the throat.** He's the kid that methodically opens x-mas presents, folds up the wrapping paper for next year, then reads the owners manual before filling his squirt gun and asking his siblings about the 'rules of engagement'. He'll never just be a killer with a squirt gun like the top 5 or 6 QBs in this league that are in a race to unload their bullets (water) and hurt (wet) you as quickly and thoroughly as possible. Everybody wants to point to Zimmer and the defense for throttling down our games to a make or break final drive ... they should and they do get the lion's share of blame ... but the offense gets some blame. Zimmer doesn't call the plays and doesn't choose which option to throw to ... Cousins and the offense deserve credit for being efficient and good enough to keep us in every game ... they also get blame for being too rigid in their approach, putting too much emphasis on sustaining drives and settling for 3 ... and not enough emphasis on attacking the defense or for going for 7. We are 3-3; 3-3 is what we are. A lot of this is pretty spot on, but I'll disagree with the bolded. Zimmer is the one pulling back on the throttle, not Cousins. Zim has the cookbook page, about getting the lead and running the ball to kill the clock, laminated. The Vikings are never more predictable and conservative than when they have a lead in the second half. Run the ball. Short passes. Play it safe. Kill the clock. It's all part of his playing to not lose instead of playing to win mentality. Zimmer may not call the plays directly, but Kubiak has no doubt about what plays he is supposed to call in those situations. I agree that Zimmer is all the things you mention philosophically … I agree that Kubiak is gameplanning and play calling under Zimmer’s scrutiny … I just think there is too much credit or blame directed off the field for how the offense executes on the field. I also think the improvement in Cousins game from previous seasons does not overcome his tendency to keep production ‘tidy’ with safer throws - as much as possible. I also understand I am nitpicking.

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2021 2:11:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J Ben Goessling @GoesslingStrib 1h Before today, Kirk Cousins had attempted 30 passes with the #Vikings tied or trailing by eight points or less in the final two minutes. No other NFL QB had attempted more than 15. He was 4/5 for 30 yards on the Vikings’ 2-min drive today. In OT, he was 5/5 for 50 yards and a TD. - can we get Brad to comment on this one? Cousins has run very efficient and effective two minute drills in every game this year. On a couple the kicker **ed it all up. Brad, who couldn't shut the up about how bad KC was in the 2 minute drill, has been remarkably silent about it since the season started. I'll play devil's advocate. Overtime isn't the last two minutes of a half and how many points did we score while going four of five for 30 yards yesterday? Disclaimer - Kirk has been mostly excellent this season. Second disclaimer - in the past he was very poor in the final two minutes of halves. That is spot on, not just playing devil's ... the wild Cousins hyperbole in here is getting out of hand (see KGs post above about 'unprecedented in history') Really? Cousins the all-time best field goal position getter ... the best ever 3-3 qb ... the best ever qb to not score 4th qtr TDs in 4 out of 6 games to start a season ... huzzah! The offense is scoring and Cousins has been outstanding. Whatever synapse popped off in his brain over the summer - Cousins has carried us in every game. He still waters us down IMO from building on leads and from going for the throat.** He's the kid that methodically opens x-mas presents, folds up the wrapping paper for next year, then reads the owners manual before filling his squirt gun and asking his siblings about the 'rules of engagement'. He'll never just be a killer with a squirt gun like the top 5 or 6 QBs in this league that are in a race to unload their bullets (water) and hurt (wet) you as quickly and thoroughly as possible. Everybody wants to point to Zimmer and the defense for throttling down our games to a make or break final drive ... they should and they do get the lion's share of blame ... but the offense gets some blame. Zimmer doesn't call the plays and doesn't choose which option to throw to ... Cousins and the offense deserve credit for being efficient and good enough to keep us in every game ... they also get blame for being too rigid in their approach, putting too much emphasis on sustaining drives and settling for 3 ... and not enough emphasis on attacking the defense or for going for 7. We are 3-3; 3-3 is what we are. A lot of this is pretty spot on, but I'll disagree with the bolded. Zimmer is the one pulling back on the throttle, not Cousins. Zim has the cookbook page, about getting the lead and running the ball to kill the clock, laminated. The Vikings are never more predictable and conservative than when they have a lead in the second half. Run the ball. Short passes. Play it safe. Kill the clock. It's all part of his playing to not lose instead of playing to win mentality. Zimmer may not call the plays directly, but Kubiak has no doubt about what plays he is supposed to call in those situations. I agree that Zimmer is all the things you mention philosophically … I agree that Kubiak is gameplanning and play calling under Zimmer’s scrutiny … I just think there is too much credit or blame directed off the field for how the offense executes on the field. I also think the improvement in Cousins game from previous seasons does not overcome his tendency to keep production ‘tidy’ with safer throws - as much as possible. I also understand I am nitpicking. I think you're right on. How many times is Jefferson running free down the field and Kirk opts for the shorter, safer throw?

beo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2021 2:14:44 PM)
Patrick Peterson news... (not good) https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1450173677572661253?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2021 3:18:23 PM)
Spielman will trade a 2nd for Xavier Rhodes.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2021 3:19:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. Spielman will trade a 2nd for Xavier Rhodes. Don't think we can. I don't think we have the cap space to acquire anything in trade.

GopherFan34 -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2021 3:21:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. Spielman will trade a 2nd for Xavier Rhodes. He will need a 7th rounder back though!

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2021 3:24:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J Ben Goessling @GoesslingStrib 1h Before today, Kirk Cousins had attempted 30 passes with the #Vikings tied or trailing by eight points or less in the final two minutes. No other NFL QB had attempted more than 15. He was 4/5 for 30 yards on the Vikings’ 2-min drive today. In OT, he was 5/5 for 50 yards and a TD. - can we get Brad to comment on this one? Cousins has run very efficient and effective two minute drills in every game this year. On a couple the kicker **ed it all up. Brad, who couldn't shut the ** up about how bad KC was in the 2 minute drill, has been remarkably silent about it since the season started. I'll play devil's advocate. Overtime isn't the last two minutes of a half and how many points did we score while going four of five for 30 yards yesterday? Disclaimer - Kirk has been mostly excellent this season. Second disclaimer - in the past he was very poor in the final two minutes of halves. That is spot on, not just playing devil's ... the wild Cousins hyperbole in here is getting out of hand (see KGs post above about 'unprecedented in history') Really? Cousins the all-time best field goal position getter ... the best ever 3-3 qb ... the best ever qb to not score 4th qtr TDs in 4 out of 6 games to start a season ... huzzah! The offense is scoring and Cousins has been outstanding. Whatever synapse popped off in his brain over the summer - Cousins has carried us in every game. He still waters us down IMO from building on leads and from going for the throat. He's the kid that methodically opens x-mas presents, folds up the wrapping paper for next year, then reads the owners manual before filling his squirt gun and asking his siblings about the 'rules of engagement'. He'll never just be a killer with a squirt gun like the top 5 or 6 QBs in this league that are in a race to unload their bullets (water) and hurt (wet) you as quickly and thoroughly as possible. Everybody wants to point to Zimmer and the defense for throttling down our games to a make or break final drive ... they should and they do get the lion's share of blame ... but the offense gets some blame. Zimmer doesn't call the plays and doesn't choose which option to throw to ... Cousins and the offense deserve credit for being efficient and good enough to keep us in every game ... they also get blame for being too rigid in their approach, putting too much emphasis on sustaining drives and settling for 3 ... and not enough emphasis on attacking the defense or for going for 7. We are 3-3; 3-3 is what we are. The problem isn't that there is just a good or top 10 QB. Top WR Duo, Top 3 RB, Top 30 Backup RB, Oline rounding into Shape, pretty good 3 and 4th WR...the only thing holding the offense back is the coaching. Defense is also rounding into shape. Zimmer doesn't stomp on the gas ever. First 50 yard FG attempt should have been a punt or a go for it. Last one should have been a go for it.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2021 3:28:19 PM)
So We are 3-3. 2 of those losses were crushing and very close. Two of those wins were what I would call exceedingly frustrating to watch, depsite winning I felt emotionally destroyed almost as if we lost. both of those we were manhandling the other team. Carolina was doing nothing on offense. Nor did the Lions. But our team hosed it up late allowed the opponent to tie or even take a lead. Some common themes in these tough losses and frustrating wins. Failure to put the other team away when we had the chance. Kicking failures have cost us in the two close losses. Late mistakes in close games giving our opponents opportunity to come back. Anemic, unimaginative, playing to too safe playcalling. Making decisions that have no chance of success. This team has way too much talent IMHO to be this average. Coaching is a big reason we are failing. Playcalling sucks and we can't find a kicker to save our lives. I see us rolling to a 9-8 record at best with our current production. and no playoffs.

GopherFan34 -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2021 3:30:13 PM)
When the vikes recovered the Darnold fumble, that's when you go for the endzone on 1st down. Instead they got no points.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2021 3:33:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GopherFan34 When the vikes recovered the Darnold fumble, that's when you go for the endzone on 1st down. Instead they got no points. I also remember where Cousins had a wide open WR he just missed due to a Dlineman getting to Kirk...one of the few plays but the offense scored enough points.....JJ Fumble and blocked punt were the two big mistakes.

kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2021 4:26:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J Ben Goessling @GoesslingStrib 1h Before today, Kirk Cousins had attempted 30 passes with the #Vikings tied or trailing by eight points or less in the final two minutes. No other NFL QB had attempted more than 15. He was 4/5 for 30 yards on the Vikings’ 2-min drive today. In OT, he was 5/5 for 50 yards and a TD. - can we get Brad to comment on this one? Cousins has run very efficient and effective two minute drills in every game this year. On a couple the kicker **ed it all up. Brad, who couldn't shut the ** up about how bad KC was in the 2 minute drill, has been remarkably silent about it since the season started. I'll play devil's advocate. Overtime isn't the last two minutes of a half and how many points did we score while going four of five for 30 yards yesterday? Disclaimer - Kirk has been mostly excellent this season. Second disclaimer - in the past he was very poor in the final two minutes of halves. That is spot on, not just playing devil's ... the wild Cousins hyperbole in here is getting out of hand (see KGs post above about 'unprecedented in history') Really? Cousins the all-time best field goal position getter ... the best ever 3-3 qb ... the best ever qb to not score 4th qtr TDs in 4 out of 6 games to start a season ... huzzah! The offense is scoring and Cousins has been outstanding. Whatever synapse popped off in his brain over the summer - Cousins has carried us in every game. He still waters us down IMO from building on leads and from going for the throat. He's the kid that methodically opens x-mas presents, folds up the wrapping paper for next year, then reads the owners manual before filling his squirt gun and asking his siblings about the 'rules of engagement'. He'll never just be a killer with a squirt gun like the top 5 or 6 QBs in this league that are in a race to unload their bullets (water) and hurt (wet) you as quickly and thoroughly as possible. Everybody wants to point to Zimmer and the defense for throttling down our games to a make or break final drive ... they should and they do get the lion's share of blame ... but the offense gets some blame. Zimmer doesn't call the plays and doesn't choose which option to throw to ... Cousins and the offense deserve credit for being efficient and good enough to keep us in every game ... they also get blame for being too rigid in their approach, putting too much emphasis on sustaining drives and settling for 3 ... and not enough emphasis on attacking the defense or for going for 7. We are 3-3; 3-3 is what we are. Tom I stand by my unprecedented statement. In 6 games Cousins has engineered at least 6 last minute or overtime game tying or game winning drives or what should have been so. I've been watching NFL football since 1970 and I don't recall a stretch like that. The closest that comes to mind is George Blanda as punter and backup QB for the Raiders back in the 70s.I'm not saying the greatest QB of all time or anything like that. I'm just giving credit for his current streak. Yes 2 of those games ended in losses, but certainly should have been wins based on what Cousins did.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2021 4:51:36 PM)
Playing .500 ball against competition that is playing a combined .500 ball.

DavidAOlson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2021 5:24:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J Ben Goessling @GoesslingStrib 1h Before today, Kirk Cousins had attempted 30 passes with the #Vikings tied or trailing by eight points or less in the final two minutes. No other NFL QB had attempted more than 15. He was 4/5 for 30 yards on the Vikings’ 2-min drive today. In OT, he was 5/5 for 50 yards and a TD. - can we get Brad to comment on this one? I'd prefer Brad commented on the CB crew. With Peterson down, the Vikings need a miracle. And nobody delivers like Brad (Thielen and now Cousins).

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2021 6:00:14 PM)
Offensive Line The Vikings’ line allowed just seven pressures the entire game. Three of the five starters — Christian Darrisaw, Brian O'Neill and Oli Udoh — earned a pass-blocking grade of 64.5 or higher. The first two, joined by Ezra Cleveland, all tracked pressure percentages of less than 2.0%, as well. Cousins had all the time in the world to throw today, and it showed. Defensive Line Sam Darnold has a history of seeing ghosts, and today was no different. As if he saw the spirits of the Vikings’ Purple People Eaters of old, Darnold faced pressure on a whopping 18 of his 54 dropbacks — 33% of the time. Most of the defensive line was able to get in on the sack party. Four of the five sacks came from one of the pass-rushers. James Lynch and Armon Watts found Darnold once each, while Dalvin Tomlinson found him twice. Watts looked phenomenal today. He also recorded three pressures on the way to a defensive grade of 93.0. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-6-game-recap-minnesota-vikings-carolina-panthers-28

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2021 6:01:19 PM)
How bad were Darnold and his butterfinger WRs? Bashaud Breeland, the former Clemson Tiger, earned a grade of 89.9 on PFF’s first review, allowing zero yards and zero receptions on eight targets. He also intercepted Darnold’s pass and forced another incompletion.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2021 6:02:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J Ben Goessling @GoesslingStrib 1h Before today, Kirk Cousins had attempted 30 passes with the #Vikings tied or trailing by eight points or less in the final two minutes. No other NFL QB had attempted more than 15. He was 4/5 for 30 yards on the Vikings’ 2-min drive today. In OT, he was 5/5 for 50 yards and a TD. - can we get Brad to comment on this one? Cousins has run very efficient and effective two minute drills in every game this year. On a couple the kicker **ed it all up. Brad, who couldn't shut the ** up about how bad KC was in the 2 minute drill, has been remarkably silent about it since the season started. I'll play devil's advocate. Overtime isn't the last two minutes of a half and how many points did we score while going four of five for 30 yards yesterday? Disclaimer - Kirk has been mostly excellent this season. Second disclaimer - in the past he was very poor in the final two minutes of halves. That is spot on, not just playing devil's ... the wild Cousins hyperbole in here is getting out of hand (see KGs post above about 'unprecedented in history') Really? Cousins the all-time best field goal position getter ... the best ever 3-3 qb ... the best ever qb to not score 4th qtr TDs in 4 out of 6 games to start a season ... huzzah! The offense is scoring and Cousins has been outstanding. Whatever synapse popped off in his brain over the summer - Cousins has carried us in every game. He still waters us down IMO from building on leads and from going for the throat. He's the kid that methodically opens x-mas presents, folds up the wrapping paper for next year, then reads the owners manual before filling his squirt gun and asking his siblings about the 'rules of engagement'. He'll never just be a killer with a squirt gun like the top 5 or 6 QBs in this league that are in a race to unload their bullets (water) and hurt (wet) you as quickly and thoroughly as possible. Everybody wants to point to Zimmer and the defense for throttling down our games to a make or break final drive ... they should and they do get the lion's share of blame ... but the offense gets some blame. Zimmer doesn't call the plays and doesn't choose which option to throw to ... Cousins and the offense deserve credit for being efficient and good enough to keep us in every game ... they also get blame for being too rigid in their approach, putting too much emphasis on sustaining drives and settling for 3 ... and not enough emphasis on attacking the defense or for going for 7. We are 3-3; 3-3 is what we are. Tom I stand by my unprecedented statement. In 6 games Cousins has engineered at least 6 last minute or overtime game tying or game winning drives or what should have been so. I've been watching NFL football since 1970 and I don't recall a stretch like that. The closest that comes to mind is George Blanda as punter and backup QB for the Raiders back in the 70s.I'm not saying the greatest QB of all time or anything like that. I'm just giving credit for his current streak. Yes 2 of those games ended in losses, but certainly should have been wins based on what Cousins did. Yes, your statement was unprecedented. No where in the history of our species has anyone been more wrong about the value of game-ending field goal position on a Zimmer team.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2021 7:24:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GopherFan34 When the vikes recovered the Darnold fumble, that's when you go for the endzone on 1st down. Instead they got no points. We are not murder hornets, swooping in to bite the heads off our enemies (with Ride of the Valkeries in the background). Ours is a game of attrition. We are a tiny noiseless spider, spinning a little web as we go … watchfull … patient … waiting for a nice plump fly to make a mistake … hoping … oh shit that breeze just blew our f*cking web to smithereens. So we begin again … spinning our little web …

Viking Rich -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2021 7:33:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine How bad were Darnold and his butterfinger WRs? Bashaud Breeland, the former Clemson Tiger, earned a grade of 89.9 on PFF’s first review, allowing zero yards and zero receptions on eight targets. He also intercepted Darnold’s pass and forced another incompletion. I am crossing my fingers that Breeland is quietly rounding into shape and becoming more acclimated to Zimmer's defense. I am not complaining about his last couple of games. I know he was coming off an injury/surgery, and Zimmer did not play the starters during the pre-season.

Viking Rich -> RE: General Vikes Talk (10/18/2021 7:52:12 PM)
Zimmer Ball claims another victim: Patrick Peterson. Because Zimmer hijacks this team's MOJO at the most inopportune times and refuses to put away opponents, Zimmer's team's have to ALWAYS play hard and forced to play starters up to the last second. While Green Bay can rest players down the stretch, Minnesota's starters are fighting like Hell to eek out a win...Every week. This leads to injuries, especially to your core players, ala, Patrick Peterson. If Zimmer would allow this team to put away opponents, this could leave several Vikings players fresher at the end of games, and give some bench players some playing time. No way Pat Pete should be on IR right now. The last two weeks have contributed to Thielen and PP sustaining unnecessary hits/injuries at the end of games. This falls squarely on the shoulders of Mike Zimmer.

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